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Tried you guys on IRC but nobody's there. This is a request for mediation on Fluoride and Hexafluorosilicic_acid topics with various editors. I got edit-warred on both topics, so stopped editing and switched to commenting on Talk:Fluoride, after which I was edit-blocked for an unknown reason. After my edit privileges were restored, I resumed discussion there, only to get more illogical arguments and fallacies in reply (e.g. saying that I'm a single-issue editor, conspiracy theorist, etc). Most recently, my comments on Talk page were deleted. I find this to be unacceptable. Censored discussion is not discussion at all. 69.105.232.74 ( talk) 19:33, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
Hello mediators! I just want to bring to everyone's attention the String theory mediation. It appears that the mediator concluded the case in a final "decision". He says that the parties accepted it(see here), but I am generally concerned with such a manner of handling a case. It may be expedient do to so (issue a ruling), but we need to aim to allow all parties to resolve it on their own, with our help and guidance but not binding determinations. A pure content-dispute handled in such a way only stands on parties' acceptance of a decision, not on their mutual compromising and common agreement. Thus, the foundation of civility is not deep.
Let's make sure for future cases, we follow a different path. Just my two cents, Lord Roem ( talk) 20:46, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
Let me make it coordinator-unanimous. Taking it to MedCom would be a good next step. A lot of different things went wrong in this case (and I'm not pointing fingers, just noting the fact) and, although all of us here at WP are volunteers at the end of the day, the mediators at MedCom are there through a filtering system somewhat similar to a request for adminship [and, indeed, most if not all of them are admins], whereas becoming a mediator here at MedCab is no more than saying, "I'll do it!"). One advantage of coming to MedCab is that you're much more likely to get your case heard; one disadvantage is that the process is largely up to the individual mediator. Regards, TransporterMan ( TALK) 19:42, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
I just thought I should chime in since I'm the other person that was actually involved in the mediation. As Waleswatcher noted, a third user (8digits) requested the mediation but did not actively participate. (That's not a great way to have started that process, I have to say, as I don't think everyone even completely agreed on what the disagreement was.)
In light of what a mess it was, and seeing now that it was run in a way that was completely out of line with the guidelines for mediations, I'm completely willing to go through some other mediation process if you guys (and Waleswatcher) think that would be best. At this point, the paragraph that was in dispute has since been edited to reflect understanding between Waleswatcher and I on a separate issue without edit warring, so maybe a Mediation less crucial now. Wpegden ( talk) 00:44, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
I've boldly made two changes in the mediator suggestions here (the most important part of which is actually the last sentence) and in the case listing template here to try to help to avoid this issue in the future. What do you think? Best regards, TransporterMan ( TALK) 21:11, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
Any way the MedCab bot can be changed so it recognizes edits on a page's talk page as ongoing? The discussion on my case is moving forward on the case talk page, but the medcab bot sees no changes to the main page and thus marks it as inactive. If this can be tweaked, that would be great! Thanks! Lord Roem ( talk) 19:07, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
Please see the Control of mediation section which I have boldly added to the Mediation policy. Best regards, TransporterMan ( TALK) 18:13, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
I was wondering if I could have a bit of guidance and input from fellow mediators. I am currently mediating this case on the Falklands War; specifically, how the British leadership of the war should be expressed the infobox. The dispute was previously discussed at Talk:Falklands War#Margaret Thatcher, then briefly at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history#Falklands and request for input on the use of the infobox. I did not start the mediation great, but it became clear to me that the prevailing consensus, both before the case and then during the case, is that Margaret Thatcher alone should be presented as the British leader in the infobox. Wee Curry Monster has challenged my perception of this consensus, raising the issue here. I have told him that I will ask other mediators what they think the current consensus is, and I will go with whatever advice I am given. So, how would you interpret the current consensus? Thank you. ItsZippy ( talk • contributions) 17:14, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
Hey all. Noticed quite a few cases have started off with laying down ground rules and asking for opening comments. Such action is occasionally necessary, whether it's due to heated conflict between parties, edit warring, or a complex, perhaps contentious topic under mediation. But this isn't necessary in every case. It requires an analysis of the situation, and a decision on the part of the mediator to decide what style is required, whether it's a strict structure which the mediator controls, or a more free style of discussion where they act as an observer and a guide. There's no sonic screwdriver in a mediators toolkit, no "one size fits all". We need to adat to the situation and go from there. If in doubt, ask for advice. :-) Steven Zhang DR goes to Wikimania! 20:59, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
I've open a case here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Mediation_Cabal/Cases/07_March_2012/ . 23:49, 12 March 2012 (UTC) Have I done something wrong? Thanks -- Hibrido Mutante ( talk) 20:57, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
I know that some of us have discussed this for some time, but I think that after the verifiability mediation closes, it might be time to close MedCab. While "it's not used very much" isn't really a sufficient enough reason alone, but the fact that it also duplicates many functions of both DRN and MedCom makes it somewhat redundant. It may be confusing at first, but a notice can be easily put up to direct small disputes to DRN, and larger ones to MedCom. I'll begin the closing after the verifiability mediation is complete, but I welcome feedback and ideas on how to make the transition a smooth one. Regards, Steven Zhang Get involved in DR! 02:14, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
The selection criteria was based on participation in dispute resolution - as a party as well as an assistant, so the sample is appropriate to the survey. Itd be pointless to ask randoms their opinion on dispute resolution if they've never used it. MedCab is first on the list because it is the most redundant - it was not a random choice. I'll be uploading the results later today or tomorrow, and we can go from there I guess. Steven Zhang Get involved in DR! 21:33, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
Steven, I don't believe that I've ever said as one of the coordinators that I was in favor of closing MedCab. Indeed, I've never said that I was necessarily in favor of closing any current DR forum. I've listened to some open ended suggestions about it and discussed the possibility, but I've never come our unreservedly in favor of closing anything, nor will I be in favor of it until the survey results are made public, thoroughly discussed, and a consistent and coherent plan is in place. Then I'll make a decision, but I'm not yet convinced that what we have now doesn't work about as well as anything can. Best regards, TransporterMan ( TALK) 22:13, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
I review for RComm, and I helped Steven with this survey a bit. The sampling criteria were appropriate. It's not good research practice to survey a random sample of Wikipedians in this case (or indeed, in most cases) because a) it's disruptive, and b) it's not very efficient and c) it would have made it harder to trust the results. Random sampling decreases your ability to be confident that the people giving you feedback are actually speaking from experience, rather than opining. This survey was about experiences with DR. But I think that Curb has a point that proposing to close a mediation forum based on results that haven't made public yet is probably premature. - J-Mo Talk to Me Email Me 23:43, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
We need mediation. This issue continues to come up and it needs to be decided so that editors are not wasting their valuable time on a daily basis debating this. Can someone please give the community some guidance here. I know, it may seem trivial, but we need direction to avoid random spheres of influence on the issue. I think this should begin at the Beatles talk page. ~ GabeMc ( talk| contribs) 20:26, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
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Tried you guys on IRC but nobody's there. This is a request for mediation on Fluoride and Hexafluorosilicic_acid topics with various editors. I got edit-warred on both topics, so stopped editing and switched to commenting on Talk:Fluoride, after which I was edit-blocked for an unknown reason. After my edit privileges were restored, I resumed discussion there, only to get more illogical arguments and fallacies in reply (e.g. saying that I'm a single-issue editor, conspiracy theorist, etc). Most recently, my comments on Talk page were deleted. I find this to be unacceptable. Censored discussion is not discussion at all. 69.105.232.74 ( talk) 19:33, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
Hello mediators! I just want to bring to everyone's attention the String theory mediation. It appears that the mediator concluded the case in a final "decision". He says that the parties accepted it(see here), but I am generally concerned with such a manner of handling a case. It may be expedient do to so (issue a ruling), but we need to aim to allow all parties to resolve it on their own, with our help and guidance but not binding determinations. A pure content-dispute handled in such a way only stands on parties' acceptance of a decision, not on their mutual compromising and common agreement. Thus, the foundation of civility is not deep.
Let's make sure for future cases, we follow a different path. Just my two cents, Lord Roem ( talk) 20:46, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
Let me make it coordinator-unanimous. Taking it to MedCom would be a good next step. A lot of different things went wrong in this case (and I'm not pointing fingers, just noting the fact) and, although all of us here at WP are volunteers at the end of the day, the mediators at MedCom are there through a filtering system somewhat similar to a request for adminship [and, indeed, most if not all of them are admins], whereas becoming a mediator here at MedCab is no more than saying, "I'll do it!"). One advantage of coming to MedCab is that you're much more likely to get your case heard; one disadvantage is that the process is largely up to the individual mediator. Regards, TransporterMan ( TALK) 19:42, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
I just thought I should chime in since I'm the other person that was actually involved in the mediation. As Waleswatcher noted, a third user (8digits) requested the mediation but did not actively participate. (That's not a great way to have started that process, I have to say, as I don't think everyone even completely agreed on what the disagreement was.)
In light of what a mess it was, and seeing now that it was run in a way that was completely out of line with the guidelines for mediations, I'm completely willing to go through some other mediation process if you guys (and Waleswatcher) think that would be best. At this point, the paragraph that was in dispute has since been edited to reflect understanding between Waleswatcher and I on a separate issue without edit warring, so maybe a Mediation less crucial now. Wpegden ( talk) 00:44, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
I've boldly made two changes in the mediator suggestions here (the most important part of which is actually the last sentence) and in the case listing template here to try to help to avoid this issue in the future. What do you think? Best regards, TransporterMan ( TALK) 21:11, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
Any way the MedCab bot can be changed so it recognizes edits on a page's talk page as ongoing? The discussion on my case is moving forward on the case talk page, but the medcab bot sees no changes to the main page and thus marks it as inactive. If this can be tweaked, that would be great! Thanks! Lord Roem ( talk) 19:07, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
Please see the Control of mediation section which I have boldly added to the Mediation policy. Best regards, TransporterMan ( TALK) 18:13, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
I was wondering if I could have a bit of guidance and input from fellow mediators. I am currently mediating this case on the Falklands War; specifically, how the British leadership of the war should be expressed the infobox. The dispute was previously discussed at Talk:Falklands War#Margaret Thatcher, then briefly at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history#Falklands and request for input on the use of the infobox. I did not start the mediation great, but it became clear to me that the prevailing consensus, both before the case and then during the case, is that Margaret Thatcher alone should be presented as the British leader in the infobox. Wee Curry Monster has challenged my perception of this consensus, raising the issue here. I have told him that I will ask other mediators what they think the current consensus is, and I will go with whatever advice I am given. So, how would you interpret the current consensus? Thank you. ItsZippy ( talk • contributions) 17:14, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
Hey all. Noticed quite a few cases have started off with laying down ground rules and asking for opening comments. Such action is occasionally necessary, whether it's due to heated conflict between parties, edit warring, or a complex, perhaps contentious topic under mediation. But this isn't necessary in every case. It requires an analysis of the situation, and a decision on the part of the mediator to decide what style is required, whether it's a strict structure which the mediator controls, or a more free style of discussion where they act as an observer and a guide. There's no sonic screwdriver in a mediators toolkit, no "one size fits all". We need to adat to the situation and go from there. If in doubt, ask for advice. :-) Steven Zhang DR goes to Wikimania! 20:59, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
I've open a case here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Mediation_Cabal/Cases/07_March_2012/ . 23:49, 12 March 2012 (UTC) Have I done something wrong? Thanks -- Hibrido Mutante ( talk) 20:57, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
I know that some of us have discussed this for some time, but I think that after the verifiability mediation closes, it might be time to close MedCab. While "it's not used very much" isn't really a sufficient enough reason alone, but the fact that it also duplicates many functions of both DRN and MedCom makes it somewhat redundant. It may be confusing at first, but a notice can be easily put up to direct small disputes to DRN, and larger ones to MedCom. I'll begin the closing after the verifiability mediation is complete, but I welcome feedback and ideas on how to make the transition a smooth one. Regards, Steven Zhang Get involved in DR! 02:14, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
The selection criteria was based on participation in dispute resolution - as a party as well as an assistant, so the sample is appropriate to the survey. Itd be pointless to ask randoms their opinion on dispute resolution if they've never used it. MedCab is first on the list because it is the most redundant - it was not a random choice. I'll be uploading the results later today or tomorrow, and we can go from there I guess. Steven Zhang Get involved in DR! 21:33, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
Steven, I don't believe that I've ever said as one of the coordinators that I was in favor of closing MedCab. Indeed, I've never said that I was necessarily in favor of closing any current DR forum. I've listened to some open ended suggestions about it and discussed the possibility, but I've never come our unreservedly in favor of closing anything, nor will I be in favor of it until the survey results are made public, thoroughly discussed, and a consistent and coherent plan is in place. Then I'll make a decision, but I'm not yet convinced that what we have now doesn't work about as well as anything can. Best regards, TransporterMan ( TALK) 22:13, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
I review for RComm, and I helped Steven with this survey a bit. The sampling criteria were appropriate. It's not good research practice to survey a random sample of Wikipedians in this case (or indeed, in most cases) because a) it's disruptive, and b) it's not very efficient and c) it would have made it harder to trust the results. Random sampling decreases your ability to be confident that the people giving you feedback are actually speaking from experience, rather than opining. This survey was about experiences with DR. But I think that Curb has a point that proposing to close a mediation forum based on results that haven't made public yet is probably premature. - J-Mo Talk to Me Email Me 23:43, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
We need mediation. This issue continues to come up and it needs to be decided so that editors are not wasting their valuable time on a daily basis debating this. Can someone please give the community some guidance here. I know, it may seem trivial, but we need direction to avoid random spheres of influence on the issue. I think this should begin at the Beatles talk page. ~ GabeMc ( talk| contribs) 20:26, 12 July 2012 (UTC)