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In some of the older cases on the 'cases still needing a mediator' list, I propose that we contact the filing party and ask if Mediation is still something they want to pursue. We have a few cases that have been sitting there since October and November.
Also, could this become an actual Mediation Cabal policy? "If a case has been pending for over 60 days/two months, then an effort will be made to contact the filing party to ensure mediation is still a sought process."
Thoughts? -- Lord Roem ( talk) 18:11, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
With thanks to Roem for contacting me, I affirm this idea; I need to wait a bit longer on my own MedCab request because we are in the heavy phase of an unrelated ArbCom and I have been on wikibreak. So I need to follow up with the other MedCab disputants still, and their prior position has been to ignore appeal to MedCab anyway; but we'll do our part to keep the gears grinding. Thanks also to Atama and PhilKnight who mediated the other case helpfully but without formal resolution, prior to the ArbCom appeal. JJB 19:53, 16 January 2011 (UTC) I am now ready for Lord Roem to mediate the open case between me and PiCo. I will allude to difficulties of the case at User talk:Lord Roem and User talk:PhilKnight. JJB 20:10, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
There's a Request for Comment which could be of interest at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/dispute resolution. PhilKnight ( talk) 00:16, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
I would like to assist blocked editors in getting unblocked. I don't want to start an entire wiki project, but do you think I would have to? Would like many other volunteers to join me too.
Ok, so I've put that out there! Let's have a brainstorm eh? Egg Centric ( talk) 18:45, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
I just wanted to note here that I have made an addition to the mediation case template. I have added a section for "Acceptance of Mediation" by participants. As mediation requires all parties to contribute in the search for a resolution, this should be a must for all cases to proceed. Regards, Lord Roem ( talk) 18:26, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
I've edited {{ MedcabStatus}} so that the cases are now sorted by page name in the category pages (rather than all being lumped under M, as they previously were). However, there are still a bunch of old cases that were pre-template and categorized by hand. would it be worth the effort of getting a bot to go through those and add sortkeys to the category link? -- Ludwigs2 15:53, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
The inbox is looking a lot tidier now; more cases are being mediated; all is well with the world. Well done, all you lovely medcab cabal people. bobrayner ( talk) 03:30, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
The case here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Mediation_Cabal/Cases/2011-04-12/fractional_reserve_banking appears to have stalled. I made a point that I think needs an answer from another editor I am in dispute with and they are refusing to answer. The mediator appears absent and so the whole thing has come to a grinding halt. Maybe mediation is not suitable for this particular dispute, maybe the case needs to be closed. I think it needs the help of a very experienced editor as there are some long standing problems involved. Reissgo ( talk) 08:38, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
Have you thought of and ad campaign? I've seen plenty of discussion pages where things get ugly but only do I see there is people willing to help. Wouldn't it be good if we paste the little ad above at the top of discussion pages on controversial topics? It would be a subtle of offering help. If people is interested, they can file a request. Asinthior ( talk) 22:23, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
{{wikipedia ads|ad=211}}
This article has been identified as a potential area of controversy. If a dispute is getting out of hand, the Mediation Cabal may be able to help provide informal dispute resolution. |
Hi, I was just checking on the list of open cases without a mediator yet and there was only one left. I took a look at the page and the user requesting the mediation and the other party do not exist (they are both red links). What does that mean? Did they both packed up their things, deleted their user pages and left Wikpedia for good? And what should we do about it? I mean, if there is no interested party anymore, we should close the case or something. Asinthior ( talk) 14:03, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
Hi there, Both users do exist, they've just chosen not to create user pages, one also doesn't have a user talk page but User:Derek farn has one here. Some users choose not to have user pages for one reason or another. This issue does appear rather stale however - neither party has done acted or discussed anything relating to Power law for almost two weeks besides starting the case and both have not been very active since. Best, Bob House 884 ( talk) 14:15, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
What's wrong with the template at the top of Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2009-06-30/Michael Tsarion? The Mark of the Beast ( talk) 21:45, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
Whilst I realise mediators are volunteers, we had a rather strange mediation attempt in this case. Could I ask for a second look please? Wee Curry Monster talk 10:05, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
Anyone know why Non-lethal weapon isn't rolling off to the archive? I closed it more than 24 hours ago. Regards, TransporterMan ( TALK) 21:39, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
I just learned that the mediator of the dispute on the Zoellick bio is no longer involved in Mediation Cabal. Who is picking up the slack? Currency1 ( talk) 08:22, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
We've had a number of occasions recently where mediators accepted a mediation and then just walked away in the middle of it. When you look back, it would appear that many of them were not particularly experienced as editors. I wouldn't want to forbid inexperienced editors from being mediators, but should we perhaps at least discourage them by removing the "Newbies are encouraged to join" line from Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/lede and perhaps saying something about getting some experience working as neutrals at WP:3O or WP:DRN or helpers at WP:EA before jumping into MedCab. On the other hand, perhaps it's not so much experience in DR that they need as just a demonstration of having staying power at WP in general. Thoughts? Best regards, TransporterMan ( TALK) 21:07, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
Yeah, you guys are right. Demiurge in particular: most people consider themselves "experienced" after about 100 edits, or an extended stay on one article. My feeling was that you'd be at that level of experience by the time you even wandered across MedCab, but that they might still consider themselves "newbies". Xavexgoem ( talk) 07:23, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
I was thinking about this overnight and it occurs to me that now DRN appears to be successful that with it and 3O we may have the "mostly informal" part of dispute resolution pretty well covered. Since MedCab currently leaves mediators pretty much free to conduct a mediation however they please, it would appear that the only difference between MedCab and the two forums I just mentioned is in the detail and, frankly, I'm not sure that there is any substantial difference in MedCab and DRN except in the mechanics of listing a dispute. Though it flies in the face of the "cabal" notion, could it be time for MedCab to become somewhat more formal as a midpoint between the two mostly informal lower processes and the very-formal MedCom? If so, then mediator experience might be a good place to start. Best regards, TransporterMan ( TALK) 13:56, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
This is heavy duty... Xavexgoem ( talk) 14:03, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
Part of what needs to be decided is whether DR is a linear process or a series of alternate choices. The Cabal — and yes, I am referring to it/us as an actual, if ad-hoc, entity — may have a unique opportunity to influence that issue. With DRN's success, MedCab can become an intermediary step in which we set the project guidelines to reject any cases which haven't previously gone to 3O, DRN, or WQA and to at least suggest that mediators have some experience. Here's a draft of what that might look like. I'd like to hear what others think. Best regards, TransporterMan ( TALK) 13:45, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
I have not made much effort to follow the progress of DRN, but I am told that it has been quite the success. However, I understand that its function is not to be part of the DR process, but to separate the wheat from the chaff at the outset by resolving very obvious disputes, perhaps that are caused by one party misunderstanding policy, or that can be solved at a content level with little effort. The noticeboard refers disputants to an appropriate stage of the resolution process, and does little else. It has also been suggested that MedCab is redundant to DRN, but I cannot reconcile that notion with my understanding of the Noticeboard—unless of course I have misunderstood its function entirely.
Finally, I never understood MedCab to be a provider of mediation, in the sense that MedCom is, but rather a confluence (or meeting-point) of mediators to which parties can come to request that a mediator attend to their dispute. For the visually minded, an image may be easier: if the mediator is a taxi driver, then the disputants are a group wanting a ride, and their destination is never the taxi rank itself. And it doesn't matter where the taxi rank is, so long as it is accessible. MedCab is our taxi rank of mediators, but DRN equally could be; what matters is that low-level mediation is accessible to all parties who require it. AGK [ • 14:08, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
At present I think that the proposed requirements on new mediators are a bit strict. The focus has to be more on the cases as opposed to the mediators, but at the same time it is important for mediators at MedCab to demonstrate some experience before mediating at MedCab. I would say 5000 edits is a bit steep, and 10 cases dealt with at DRN/3O potentially a bit much. I'm not so sure if creating a bright line for acceptance is required, but I think we should keep the discussion going. We need to balance between becoming slightly more formal and a new DR process as opposed to the old MedCab, but at the same time we don't want to become a shadow MedCom. This change will be all about finding the right balance between the two. I think the main MedCab page could use a facelift, but think we should discuss the requirements for accepting cases and mediators before discussing any other potential changes further. I don't really think a list of members is a good idea, but we also don't want MedCab to stay a free-for all. It's all about the balance. Steven Zhang The clock is ticking.... 11:56, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
I can see where Scjessey is coming from. At this stage, MedCab is not an intermediary step. I do think that some requirements should be considered for case acceptance and mediators if we are to become a more intermediate option, as I have stated previously MedCab is somewhat inferior and redundant at present since DRN was created and evolved into what it is now. The problem with DR has in a way become worse at present as opposed to before DRN was created, as there are now four alternative steps to take before MedCom for resolution of content disputes, as opposed to before when there were only three. I've created a diagram to demonstrate.
Content disputes, as opposed to conduct disputes, have no real method of final resolution. I've created another diagram to demonstrate the two. Perhaps that's something that needs to be discussed on a larger community scale, but I do see it an issue with some conduct disputes (I/P, Senkaku, Abortion etc) that they often go around in circles within the DR processes until it's such a mess that ArbCom ends up issuing a scorched earth style solution. Before it gets to this, a lot of disruption to the wiki is caused and I wonder if there isn't a better way. In the past many ways of bringing binding resolution to content disputes have been proposed, none have really caught on. Perhaps this is something that also should be discussed. The process for resolving conduct disputes is pretty clear cut, which I have demonstrated in the above diagram, however resolution for content disputes not so. Perhaps it would be worth streamlining content dispute resolution as well. I think we should start off though by changing MedCab to be a more intermediate step. The first diagram I made has two possible changes, I prefer option two but would like to know what others think. Steven Zhang The clock is ticking.... 03:53, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
I agree we should stay as informal as possible. I think we should be content to be an option besides DRN... just like we were essentially an option over 3O and RfC. A third option to third option? Xavexgoem ( talk) 04:37, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
We need to resolve a harassment WP:HA issue in regards to contributing to the section of Differentiation in Ito Calculus in the Ito Calculus article. We have added a theory called "Quadratic Covariation Derivative" to the section along with the cited references. However, every time we try to put this theory, a group comes and immediately remove it and fudge the section, enticing an edit war; without even engaging in a constructive mathematical discussion. It turns out they have a "personal issue" with the author of this theory. However the Wiki is not a place to settle a score. We tried numerous times to solve this aggressive behavior by engaging in several discussions on the talk page, however their response is always resorting to reversion and deletion. We even agreed to leave the Malliavin derivative they put in the section even though it doesn't belong there as it is in the Gaussian settings. We enhanced the section to include the Quadratic Covariation along with Malliavin, however, they immediately deleted and removed the quadratic theory and left their own contribution. This aggressive and disrespectful behavior has been going on for the last three months or so. This is disrupting the contribution of this section and is leading to unproductive stress and conflict WP:CIV. We are contributing mathematical facts, this is not voicing an opinion. And the domineering and harassment behavior by a group to bully others for their own personal agenda is against the collegial spirit of the Wiki. Thank you. AaronKauf ( talk) 20:44, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
By the way, I just added our contribution to the section which they deleted before, for you all to see. I'm not sure if it will stay, as the "usual" group will come to either revert it or deleted as usual. AaronKauf ( talk) 20:48, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
All that it lets me do is view the source, not edit the page. How do I start a new case? 132.241.178.173 ( talk) 17:57, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/18 September 2011/ seems to have been improperly opened/filed or otherwise requested for mediation. Could someone that knows how, please fix ?? Exit2DOS • Ctrl • Alt • Del 08:34, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Mediation_Cabal/Cases/16_December_2011/String_theory
I want a second mediator to join me in that case. I'm a novice, and I'd liek to develop experience, but at the same time, I want someone to keep an eye on me - this is my very first case that I want to mediate. -- Thehistorian10 ( talk) 12:51, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
I am aware of and have commented briefly on a content dispute arising over the article Rana Jashraj. As I have worked with one of the editors recently, I do not want to get involved in this. Personally, I don't think there's bad intentions coming from either editor involved, but perhaps your assistance would be useful. DCI talk 22:53, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
I have been active to a medium degree since before early 2007 (when I joined,) and Galassi certainly has since early/mid-2006. Perhaps I am not friendly enough (and I engage in debate) but after he repeatedly committed citation, OR, WP:WW, NPOV, possibly edit warring violations, etc., all of which he has been repeatedly blocked for in the past, I reported him to the admins. At some point I went to Wikipedia's IRC channel and got one or two very experienced/knowledgeable third party editors--one saying (s)he is completely unrelated to the topic (unlike me and Galassi) to clear up the article. Galassi seems to ignore consensus and discussions (even on his talk page,) even write edit summaries saying there has been no discussion, do reversions that destroy reliable third-party citations and restore incomplete ones, push a biased/fringe/pejorative view, defy the admins when they agree and try to help (and take up their time extensively arguing with them.) I am only moderately experienced with guidelines/rules, discussion/help areas such as this, and voting, etc., but I think I am experienced enough that I am obeying guidelines/rules most of the time, and somewhat actively learning guidelines/rules I am not an expert on yet. Maybe my non-expertness and intellectual/cold attitude offended Galassi. I do not want to bother the admins with discussion other than about extreme style and incivility violations, but perhaps Galissi would respond to mediation.-- dchmelik ( t| c) 23:39, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
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In some of the older cases on the 'cases still needing a mediator' list, I propose that we contact the filing party and ask if Mediation is still something they want to pursue. We have a few cases that have been sitting there since October and November.
Also, could this become an actual Mediation Cabal policy? "If a case has been pending for over 60 days/two months, then an effort will be made to contact the filing party to ensure mediation is still a sought process."
Thoughts? -- Lord Roem ( talk) 18:11, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
With thanks to Roem for contacting me, I affirm this idea; I need to wait a bit longer on my own MedCab request because we are in the heavy phase of an unrelated ArbCom and I have been on wikibreak. So I need to follow up with the other MedCab disputants still, and their prior position has been to ignore appeal to MedCab anyway; but we'll do our part to keep the gears grinding. Thanks also to Atama and PhilKnight who mediated the other case helpfully but without formal resolution, prior to the ArbCom appeal. JJB 19:53, 16 January 2011 (UTC) I am now ready for Lord Roem to mediate the open case between me and PiCo. I will allude to difficulties of the case at User talk:Lord Roem and User talk:PhilKnight. JJB 20:10, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
There's a Request for Comment which could be of interest at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/dispute resolution. PhilKnight ( talk) 00:16, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
I would like to assist blocked editors in getting unblocked. I don't want to start an entire wiki project, but do you think I would have to? Would like many other volunteers to join me too.
Ok, so I've put that out there! Let's have a brainstorm eh? Egg Centric ( talk) 18:45, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
I just wanted to note here that I have made an addition to the mediation case template. I have added a section for "Acceptance of Mediation" by participants. As mediation requires all parties to contribute in the search for a resolution, this should be a must for all cases to proceed. Regards, Lord Roem ( talk) 18:26, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
I've edited {{ MedcabStatus}} so that the cases are now sorted by page name in the category pages (rather than all being lumped under M, as they previously were). However, there are still a bunch of old cases that were pre-template and categorized by hand. would it be worth the effort of getting a bot to go through those and add sortkeys to the category link? -- Ludwigs2 15:53, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
The inbox is looking a lot tidier now; more cases are being mediated; all is well with the world. Well done, all you lovely medcab cabal people. bobrayner ( talk) 03:30, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
The case here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Mediation_Cabal/Cases/2011-04-12/fractional_reserve_banking appears to have stalled. I made a point that I think needs an answer from another editor I am in dispute with and they are refusing to answer. The mediator appears absent and so the whole thing has come to a grinding halt. Maybe mediation is not suitable for this particular dispute, maybe the case needs to be closed. I think it needs the help of a very experienced editor as there are some long standing problems involved. Reissgo ( talk) 08:38, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
Have you thought of and ad campaign? I've seen plenty of discussion pages where things get ugly but only do I see there is people willing to help. Wouldn't it be good if we paste the little ad above at the top of discussion pages on controversial topics? It would be a subtle of offering help. If people is interested, they can file a request. Asinthior ( talk) 22:23, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
{{wikipedia ads|ad=211}}
This article has been identified as a potential area of controversy. If a dispute is getting out of hand, the Mediation Cabal may be able to help provide informal dispute resolution. |
Hi, I was just checking on the list of open cases without a mediator yet and there was only one left. I took a look at the page and the user requesting the mediation and the other party do not exist (they are both red links). What does that mean? Did they both packed up their things, deleted their user pages and left Wikpedia for good? And what should we do about it? I mean, if there is no interested party anymore, we should close the case or something. Asinthior ( talk) 14:03, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
Hi there, Both users do exist, they've just chosen not to create user pages, one also doesn't have a user talk page but User:Derek farn has one here. Some users choose not to have user pages for one reason or another. This issue does appear rather stale however - neither party has done acted or discussed anything relating to Power law for almost two weeks besides starting the case and both have not been very active since. Best, Bob House 884 ( talk) 14:15, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
What's wrong with the template at the top of Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2009-06-30/Michael Tsarion? The Mark of the Beast ( talk) 21:45, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
Whilst I realise mediators are volunteers, we had a rather strange mediation attempt in this case. Could I ask for a second look please? Wee Curry Monster talk 10:05, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
Anyone know why Non-lethal weapon isn't rolling off to the archive? I closed it more than 24 hours ago. Regards, TransporterMan ( TALK) 21:39, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
I just learned that the mediator of the dispute on the Zoellick bio is no longer involved in Mediation Cabal. Who is picking up the slack? Currency1 ( talk) 08:22, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
We've had a number of occasions recently where mediators accepted a mediation and then just walked away in the middle of it. When you look back, it would appear that many of them were not particularly experienced as editors. I wouldn't want to forbid inexperienced editors from being mediators, but should we perhaps at least discourage them by removing the "Newbies are encouraged to join" line from Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/lede and perhaps saying something about getting some experience working as neutrals at WP:3O or WP:DRN or helpers at WP:EA before jumping into MedCab. On the other hand, perhaps it's not so much experience in DR that they need as just a demonstration of having staying power at WP in general. Thoughts? Best regards, TransporterMan ( TALK) 21:07, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
Yeah, you guys are right. Demiurge in particular: most people consider themselves "experienced" after about 100 edits, or an extended stay on one article. My feeling was that you'd be at that level of experience by the time you even wandered across MedCab, but that they might still consider themselves "newbies". Xavexgoem ( talk) 07:23, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
I was thinking about this overnight and it occurs to me that now DRN appears to be successful that with it and 3O we may have the "mostly informal" part of dispute resolution pretty well covered. Since MedCab currently leaves mediators pretty much free to conduct a mediation however they please, it would appear that the only difference between MedCab and the two forums I just mentioned is in the detail and, frankly, I'm not sure that there is any substantial difference in MedCab and DRN except in the mechanics of listing a dispute. Though it flies in the face of the "cabal" notion, could it be time for MedCab to become somewhat more formal as a midpoint between the two mostly informal lower processes and the very-formal MedCom? If so, then mediator experience might be a good place to start. Best regards, TransporterMan ( TALK) 13:56, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
This is heavy duty... Xavexgoem ( talk) 14:03, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
Part of what needs to be decided is whether DR is a linear process or a series of alternate choices. The Cabal — and yes, I am referring to it/us as an actual, if ad-hoc, entity — may have a unique opportunity to influence that issue. With DRN's success, MedCab can become an intermediary step in which we set the project guidelines to reject any cases which haven't previously gone to 3O, DRN, or WQA and to at least suggest that mediators have some experience. Here's a draft of what that might look like. I'd like to hear what others think. Best regards, TransporterMan ( TALK) 13:45, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
I have not made much effort to follow the progress of DRN, but I am told that it has been quite the success. However, I understand that its function is not to be part of the DR process, but to separate the wheat from the chaff at the outset by resolving very obvious disputes, perhaps that are caused by one party misunderstanding policy, or that can be solved at a content level with little effort. The noticeboard refers disputants to an appropriate stage of the resolution process, and does little else. It has also been suggested that MedCab is redundant to DRN, but I cannot reconcile that notion with my understanding of the Noticeboard—unless of course I have misunderstood its function entirely.
Finally, I never understood MedCab to be a provider of mediation, in the sense that MedCom is, but rather a confluence (or meeting-point) of mediators to which parties can come to request that a mediator attend to their dispute. For the visually minded, an image may be easier: if the mediator is a taxi driver, then the disputants are a group wanting a ride, and their destination is never the taxi rank itself. And it doesn't matter where the taxi rank is, so long as it is accessible. MedCab is our taxi rank of mediators, but DRN equally could be; what matters is that low-level mediation is accessible to all parties who require it. AGK [ • 14:08, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
At present I think that the proposed requirements on new mediators are a bit strict. The focus has to be more on the cases as opposed to the mediators, but at the same time it is important for mediators at MedCab to demonstrate some experience before mediating at MedCab. I would say 5000 edits is a bit steep, and 10 cases dealt with at DRN/3O potentially a bit much. I'm not so sure if creating a bright line for acceptance is required, but I think we should keep the discussion going. We need to balance between becoming slightly more formal and a new DR process as opposed to the old MedCab, but at the same time we don't want to become a shadow MedCom. This change will be all about finding the right balance between the two. I think the main MedCab page could use a facelift, but think we should discuss the requirements for accepting cases and mediators before discussing any other potential changes further. I don't really think a list of members is a good idea, but we also don't want MedCab to stay a free-for all. It's all about the balance. Steven Zhang The clock is ticking.... 11:56, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
I can see where Scjessey is coming from. At this stage, MedCab is not an intermediary step. I do think that some requirements should be considered for case acceptance and mediators if we are to become a more intermediate option, as I have stated previously MedCab is somewhat inferior and redundant at present since DRN was created and evolved into what it is now. The problem with DR has in a way become worse at present as opposed to before DRN was created, as there are now four alternative steps to take before MedCom for resolution of content disputes, as opposed to before when there were only three. I've created a diagram to demonstrate.
Content disputes, as opposed to conduct disputes, have no real method of final resolution. I've created another diagram to demonstrate the two. Perhaps that's something that needs to be discussed on a larger community scale, but I do see it an issue with some conduct disputes (I/P, Senkaku, Abortion etc) that they often go around in circles within the DR processes until it's such a mess that ArbCom ends up issuing a scorched earth style solution. Before it gets to this, a lot of disruption to the wiki is caused and I wonder if there isn't a better way. In the past many ways of bringing binding resolution to content disputes have been proposed, none have really caught on. Perhaps this is something that also should be discussed. The process for resolving conduct disputes is pretty clear cut, which I have demonstrated in the above diagram, however resolution for content disputes not so. Perhaps it would be worth streamlining content dispute resolution as well. I think we should start off though by changing MedCab to be a more intermediate step. The first diagram I made has two possible changes, I prefer option two but would like to know what others think. Steven Zhang The clock is ticking.... 03:53, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
I agree we should stay as informal as possible. I think we should be content to be an option besides DRN... just like we were essentially an option over 3O and RfC. A third option to third option? Xavexgoem ( talk) 04:37, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
We need to resolve a harassment WP:HA issue in regards to contributing to the section of Differentiation in Ito Calculus in the Ito Calculus article. We have added a theory called "Quadratic Covariation Derivative" to the section along with the cited references. However, every time we try to put this theory, a group comes and immediately remove it and fudge the section, enticing an edit war; without even engaging in a constructive mathematical discussion. It turns out they have a "personal issue" with the author of this theory. However the Wiki is not a place to settle a score. We tried numerous times to solve this aggressive behavior by engaging in several discussions on the talk page, however their response is always resorting to reversion and deletion. We even agreed to leave the Malliavin derivative they put in the section even though it doesn't belong there as it is in the Gaussian settings. We enhanced the section to include the Quadratic Covariation along with Malliavin, however, they immediately deleted and removed the quadratic theory and left their own contribution. This aggressive and disrespectful behavior has been going on for the last three months or so. This is disrupting the contribution of this section and is leading to unproductive stress and conflict WP:CIV. We are contributing mathematical facts, this is not voicing an opinion. And the domineering and harassment behavior by a group to bully others for their own personal agenda is against the collegial spirit of the Wiki. Thank you. AaronKauf ( talk) 20:44, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
By the way, I just added our contribution to the section which they deleted before, for you all to see. I'm not sure if it will stay, as the "usual" group will come to either revert it or deleted as usual. AaronKauf ( talk) 20:48, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
All that it lets me do is view the source, not edit the page. How do I start a new case? 132.241.178.173 ( talk) 17:57, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/18 September 2011/ seems to have been improperly opened/filed or otherwise requested for mediation. Could someone that knows how, please fix ?? Exit2DOS • Ctrl • Alt • Del 08:34, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Mediation_Cabal/Cases/16_December_2011/String_theory
I want a second mediator to join me in that case. I'm a novice, and I'd liek to develop experience, but at the same time, I want someone to keep an eye on me - this is my very first case that I want to mediate. -- Thehistorian10 ( talk) 12:51, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
I am aware of and have commented briefly on a content dispute arising over the article Rana Jashraj. As I have worked with one of the editors recently, I do not want to get involved in this. Personally, I don't think there's bad intentions coming from either editor involved, but perhaps your assistance would be useful. DCI talk 22:53, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
I have been active to a medium degree since before early 2007 (when I joined,) and Galassi certainly has since early/mid-2006. Perhaps I am not friendly enough (and I engage in debate) but after he repeatedly committed citation, OR, WP:WW, NPOV, possibly edit warring violations, etc., all of which he has been repeatedly blocked for in the past, I reported him to the admins. At some point I went to Wikipedia's IRC channel and got one or two very experienced/knowledgeable third party editors--one saying (s)he is completely unrelated to the topic (unlike me and Galassi) to clear up the article. Galassi seems to ignore consensus and discussions (even on his talk page,) even write edit summaries saying there has been no discussion, do reversions that destroy reliable third-party citations and restore incomplete ones, push a biased/fringe/pejorative view, defy the admins when they agree and try to help (and take up their time extensively arguing with them.) I am only moderately experienced with guidelines/rules, discussion/help areas such as this, and voting, etc., but I think I am experienced enough that I am obeying guidelines/rules most of the time, and somewhat actively learning guidelines/rules I am not an expert on yet. Maybe my non-expertness and intellectual/cold attitude offended Galassi. I do not want to bother the admins with discussion other than about extreme style and incivility violations, but perhaps Galissi would respond to mediation.-- dchmelik ( t| c) 23:39, 27 December 2011 (UTC)