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I've added a section explaining the use of "Year in subject" links, such as 1417 in art. As far as I know, there is no documentation on when to use these links, so I've just tried to explain how they are used. Feel free to update as needed. — Reinyday, 22:10, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
I added metric units to Lake Wallenpaupack. Then I happened to notice that the piece of text was a quote. Since it was not particularly remarkable, I changed it from a quote to an attribution. Another editor User:Suoerh2 reverted it with the following comment on my talk page:
My intent was to make the units clear. Many Wikipedia readers have no idea what a board foot means. The addition of metric units meant that it was no longer a quote. So I changed it so that it did not mislead the reader into thinking that the added text was in the original source. To be honest, that amount of unremarkable text in a quote seems odd to me. I think that article needs attention. Perhaps I should have used square brackets or something. What do others think? bobblewik 09:33, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
Isn't it time we standardized the encyclopedia to use either BCE or BC? A Train take the 14:52, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
An archived discussion of this topic is in archive #9 at the top of the page, and there are valid arguments for both sides. I wish Wikipedia would adopt uniformity on items such as this, units of measurement, English language, etc. I understand everyone comes from different backgrounds, but being a single piece of reference work, regardless of what the decision is on AD/CE, metric/imperial or American/British English, I believe a uniform policy would be better than "what the article was started in." There is no one to "make" these decisions, however, and the contributor base is obviously strongly divided over them. I would prefer BC/AD, metric units (with imperial conversions) and American English, but would still contribute even if I had to write in BCE/CE, imperial units and British English. The project as a whole should be more important than small debates over semantics or POV. -- MattWright ( talk) 16:09, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
Based on a discussion at WP:ANI, I wonder about how ranges of wikdates can be handled. If we have (say) 1 – 10 October 2006, and we change it into wikidates, should we have:
There seems to be no easy way of doing this. -- Jumbo 00:48, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
Discussion below copied from Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Trains A user is reverting edits to train articles. Please look at Rebecca's contributions list at least back to 23 September. I believe the original edits improve the articles and the reverts make the articles worse. I do not want to undo the reverts myself but other editors may wish to do so. bobblewik 10:15, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
Discussion above copied from Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Trains
Can people comment on the appropriateness of unit format edits as an editor activity and the correct unit for tractive effort i.e. 'lb' or 'lbf'. bobblewik 18:44, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
The changes (with respect to units) that bobblewik made to the train articles dealt with measuring tractive effort. The definition of tractive effort tells us that we are measuring a force. Therefore, to change lb to lbf would be correct. I'm sure when 'train enthusiasts' are discussing tractive effort they never say pounds-force. They just say pounds. However, when it is formally written —it should be done correctly. LONG LIVE the POUND! — MJCdetroit 01:46, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
I propose an addition to MOS:DATE#Partial_dates to address the problem of yearless dates. This tends to arise when people write articles on current events. There is an understandable tendancy to refer to just the date and month, with an unspoken implication that the current year is being discussed (repeating "2006" after every date can reduce readability). The problem here is that the article needs to be written in such a way that it is clear which year is being referred to. If this is not done, then confusion will arise in later years. The example that prompted this is mentioned and discussed at Talk:Hurricane_Katrina#Dates_lacking_years. So, does anyone agree that this addition to the guideline is needed, and can anyone think of a good way to word this? Carcharoth 12:27, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
Yearless dates should be used only after the context of the year has been established, which is the same principle as for any yearless date. Any article should start with a date that includes the year, whether it be 1806 or 2006, and then if an editor so chooses, to use yearless dates afterward. This advice should be included in the previous section. — Centrx→ talk • 23:51, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
Discussion below copied from
User talk:Bobblewik
I've noticed you changing a lot of units in automobile articles from "XXXhp" to "XXX hp". If you're going to do this, could you follow the
WP:Autos conventions and use the non-breaking space (
) to prevent automatic line wrapping? This would also apply to non-autombile articles where you're inserting a space between the value and the unit. Thanks. --
DeLarge 22:03, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
Discussion above copied from User talk:Bobblewik
I have copied the above comments from my talk page. The issues raised by DeLarge may be of wider interest. I do not want to address the issue of rudeness here, I have already expressed my views on his/her talk page. However, I would be interested in opinions on the substantive points.
As long as a visible space is there, the type of visible space is a very low priority for me. I regard nbsp as just another tool available to me and deploy it on rare occasions (e.g. if a table looks really really odd). I know that some people care a lot about it, just as other people care about horizontal lines a few pixels long (hyphens, dashes). My work does not prevent other editors from changing the type of space, type of line or anything else. Because of previous requests for me to work on adding non-breaking spaces, I went to some effort to create and debug a publically available tool for adding non-breaking spaces but I don't maintain, guarantee or use it myself.
I would be interested in the views of others. bobblewik 19:03, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
(response copied)
between the value and the unit symbol? That way you could be fast and mistake free. —
MJCdetroit 20:03, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
ISO 8601 date formats are unambigously defined as being in the Gregorian Calendar (ISO 8601:2000, section 4.3.1), so dates like "
1616-
04-23 (
Old Style)" ([[1616]]-[[04-23]] ([[Old Style and New Style dates|Old Style]])
), which use the ISO 8601 format but not the ISO 8601 calendar, are extremly bad style.
Julian dates should not be given in ISO 8601 format (but for example as
23-Apr-
1616
([[23-Apr]]-[[1616]]
).
The best idea IMO is to change the Mediawiki software to convert between date formats and calendars. In the meantime, it might be best to provide templates for non-Gregorian dates that do the right thing. -- 3247 10:28, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
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I've added a section explaining the use of "Year in subject" links, such as 1417 in art. As far as I know, there is no documentation on when to use these links, so I've just tried to explain how they are used. Feel free to update as needed. — Reinyday, 22:10, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
I added metric units to Lake Wallenpaupack. Then I happened to notice that the piece of text was a quote. Since it was not particularly remarkable, I changed it from a quote to an attribution. Another editor User:Suoerh2 reverted it with the following comment on my talk page:
My intent was to make the units clear. Many Wikipedia readers have no idea what a board foot means. The addition of metric units meant that it was no longer a quote. So I changed it so that it did not mislead the reader into thinking that the added text was in the original source. To be honest, that amount of unremarkable text in a quote seems odd to me. I think that article needs attention. Perhaps I should have used square brackets or something. What do others think? bobblewik 09:33, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
Isn't it time we standardized the encyclopedia to use either BCE or BC? A Train take the 14:52, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
An archived discussion of this topic is in archive #9 at the top of the page, and there are valid arguments for both sides. I wish Wikipedia would adopt uniformity on items such as this, units of measurement, English language, etc. I understand everyone comes from different backgrounds, but being a single piece of reference work, regardless of what the decision is on AD/CE, metric/imperial or American/British English, I believe a uniform policy would be better than "what the article was started in." There is no one to "make" these decisions, however, and the contributor base is obviously strongly divided over them. I would prefer BC/AD, metric units (with imperial conversions) and American English, but would still contribute even if I had to write in BCE/CE, imperial units and British English. The project as a whole should be more important than small debates over semantics or POV. -- MattWright ( talk) 16:09, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
Based on a discussion at WP:ANI, I wonder about how ranges of wikdates can be handled. If we have (say) 1 – 10 October 2006, and we change it into wikidates, should we have:
There seems to be no easy way of doing this. -- Jumbo 00:48, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
Discussion below copied from Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Trains A user is reverting edits to train articles. Please look at Rebecca's contributions list at least back to 23 September. I believe the original edits improve the articles and the reverts make the articles worse. I do not want to undo the reverts myself but other editors may wish to do so. bobblewik 10:15, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
Discussion above copied from Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Trains
Can people comment on the appropriateness of unit format edits as an editor activity and the correct unit for tractive effort i.e. 'lb' or 'lbf'. bobblewik 18:44, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
The changes (with respect to units) that bobblewik made to the train articles dealt with measuring tractive effort. The definition of tractive effort tells us that we are measuring a force. Therefore, to change lb to lbf would be correct. I'm sure when 'train enthusiasts' are discussing tractive effort they never say pounds-force. They just say pounds. However, when it is formally written —it should be done correctly. LONG LIVE the POUND! — MJCdetroit 01:46, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
I propose an addition to MOS:DATE#Partial_dates to address the problem of yearless dates. This tends to arise when people write articles on current events. There is an understandable tendancy to refer to just the date and month, with an unspoken implication that the current year is being discussed (repeating "2006" after every date can reduce readability). The problem here is that the article needs to be written in such a way that it is clear which year is being referred to. If this is not done, then confusion will arise in later years. The example that prompted this is mentioned and discussed at Talk:Hurricane_Katrina#Dates_lacking_years. So, does anyone agree that this addition to the guideline is needed, and can anyone think of a good way to word this? Carcharoth 12:27, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
Yearless dates should be used only after the context of the year has been established, which is the same principle as for any yearless date. Any article should start with a date that includes the year, whether it be 1806 or 2006, and then if an editor so chooses, to use yearless dates afterward. This advice should be included in the previous section. — Centrx→ talk • 23:51, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
Discussion below copied from
User talk:Bobblewik
I've noticed you changing a lot of units in automobile articles from "XXXhp" to "XXX hp". If you're going to do this, could you follow the
WP:Autos conventions and use the non-breaking space (
) to prevent automatic line wrapping? This would also apply to non-autombile articles where you're inserting a space between the value and the unit. Thanks. --
DeLarge 22:03, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
Discussion above copied from User talk:Bobblewik
I have copied the above comments from my talk page. The issues raised by DeLarge may be of wider interest. I do not want to address the issue of rudeness here, I have already expressed my views on his/her talk page. However, I would be interested in opinions on the substantive points.
As long as a visible space is there, the type of visible space is a very low priority for me. I regard nbsp as just another tool available to me and deploy it on rare occasions (e.g. if a table looks really really odd). I know that some people care a lot about it, just as other people care about horizontal lines a few pixels long (hyphens, dashes). My work does not prevent other editors from changing the type of space, type of line or anything else. Because of previous requests for me to work on adding non-breaking spaces, I went to some effort to create and debug a publically available tool for adding non-breaking spaces but I don't maintain, guarantee or use it myself.
I would be interested in the views of others. bobblewik 19:03, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
(response copied)
between the value and the unit symbol? That way you could be fast and mistake free. —
MJCdetroit 20:03, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
ISO 8601 date formats are unambigously defined as being in the Gregorian Calendar (ISO 8601:2000, section 4.3.1), so dates like "
1616-
04-23 (
Old Style)" ([[1616]]-[[04-23]] ([[Old Style and New Style dates|Old Style]])
), which use the ISO 8601 format but not the ISO 8601 calendar, are extremly bad style.
Julian dates should not be given in ISO 8601 format (but for example as
23-Apr-
1616
([[23-Apr]]-[[1616]]
).
The best idea IMO is to change the Mediawiki software to convert between date formats and calendars. In the meantime, it might be best to provide templates for non-Gregorian dates that do the right thing. -- 3247 10:28, 3 October 2006 (UTC)