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According to WP:CANPLACE, it seems clear we should not link to [[Canada]], which is in agreement with WP:OVERLINK (though apparently not everyone agrees, see Wikipedia talk:Canadian Wikipedians' notice board#City/Province/Country linking in infobox). That should also apply to infoboxes, as I couldn't find any indication to the contrary, and did find e.g. Template:Infobox journal that specifically says "country" should not be wikilinked.
On the other hand, the instructions about wikilinking provinces (in the case they're specified), which were added in March 2018, seem unclear and contradictory:
The edits indicating that provinces should not be wikilinked appear to have been made without any discussion that I can find. I don't see any reason that Canadian provinces should be a special exception to the definition given in WP:OVERLINK. For comparison, US states are wikilinked. I did a random sampling of locations of buildings and found many cases of "[[City, State]]" and "[[City]], [[State]]", as well as many "[[City, State]] -> [[City]]" via redirect (the majority of Category:Buildings and structures in Boston for example), and a few [[City, State|City]], [[State]]. But I didn't find a single "[[City]], State".
It would be nice if there was more consistency about using "[[City, Province/State]]" vs "[[City]], [[Province/State]]" etc., with clear instructions in the Manual of Style. But if so, it should apply site-wide. There shouldn't be special instructions in the "Canada-related articles" section that prescribe a particular form. And definitely there shouldn't be instructions to use a form ([[City]], Province) that isn't used anywhere else, and contradicts the main MOS section about it. I think at minimum it should be changed to this:
But the whole WP:CANPLACE could be very much simplified. -- IamNotU ( talk) 23:48, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
This change by Bearcat is fairly substantive and I believe warrants reversion until it can be discussed more thoroughly here, specifically because it takes a passage where editors are asked to base their judgments on existing policy and changes it to imply there's no hard and fast rules, which is misleading. — Joeyconnick ( talk) 01:03, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
The name of Pomquet and Afton 23 seems to have been changed possibly in 2012 to Paqtnkek-Niktuek 23, Nova Scotia . Certainly the geographic names board [1] and the federal government [2] seem to be using the Mi'kmaq form. My question is, does this formal acceptance overide our norm of using English language? Would it be in order to make Paqtnkek-Niktuek 23 the main article, and have Pomquet and Afton 23 and Paqtnkek-Niktuek 23, Nova Scotia redirect to it? (I'm not sure why the Nova Scotia disambiguation was used in the first). Derek Andrews ( talk) 19:14, 5 January 2020 (UTC)
Per the edit war here, in Canadian English, is the past tense of "spell", "spelled", "spelt", or both? Discussion on the article's talk page as well. We may want to spell this out as I could find no guidance, but all of my Canadian English spell-checkers are throwing an error for the latter. Walter Görlitz ( talk) 20:25, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
Talk:Made in Canada (TV series)#Date format for article. Walter Görlitz ( talk) 20:44, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
It seems like there might be a conflict with the naming of neighbourhoods, which I don't see specifically addressed in the guideline. Should non-primary city names be shortened when they are used as a disambiguation tag for neighbourhoods? Examples:
As far as I can tell, there is no justification for shortening the city names, even though that's what has been happening so far (except Prince Albert.) Thoughts? 162 etc. ( talk) 20:47, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
As a Maritimer, I dispute the statement "Geographic L→R order makes sense to Canadians, because the provinces and the territories happen to be arranged in nearly perfect west to east lines [...]" I can't recall it being described west-to-east; all my life I've heard it as east-to-west, which would be R→L. When national media bother with geographical order, the East Coast seems to be the usual starting point. G. Timothy Walton ( talk) 00:44, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
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According to WP:CANPLACE, it seems clear we should not link to [[Canada]], which is in agreement with WP:OVERLINK (though apparently not everyone agrees, see Wikipedia talk:Canadian Wikipedians' notice board#City/Province/Country linking in infobox). That should also apply to infoboxes, as I couldn't find any indication to the contrary, and did find e.g. Template:Infobox journal that specifically says "country" should not be wikilinked.
On the other hand, the instructions about wikilinking provinces (in the case they're specified), which were added in March 2018, seem unclear and contradictory:
The edits indicating that provinces should not be wikilinked appear to have been made without any discussion that I can find. I don't see any reason that Canadian provinces should be a special exception to the definition given in WP:OVERLINK. For comparison, US states are wikilinked. I did a random sampling of locations of buildings and found many cases of "[[City, State]]" and "[[City]], [[State]]", as well as many "[[City, State]] -> [[City]]" via redirect (the majority of Category:Buildings and structures in Boston for example), and a few [[City, State|City]], [[State]]. But I didn't find a single "[[City]], State".
It would be nice if there was more consistency about using "[[City, Province/State]]" vs "[[City]], [[Province/State]]" etc., with clear instructions in the Manual of Style. But if so, it should apply site-wide. There shouldn't be special instructions in the "Canada-related articles" section that prescribe a particular form. And definitely there shouldn't be instructions to use a form ([[City]], Province) that isn't used anywhere else, and contradicts the main MOS section about it. I think at minimum it should be changed to this:
But the whole WP:CANPLACE could be very much simplified. -- IamNotU ( talk) 23:48, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
This change by Bearcat is fairly substantive and I believe warrants reversion until it can be discussed more thoroughly here, specifically because it takes a passage where editors are asked to base their judgments on existing policy and changes it to imply there's no hard and fast rules, which is misleading. — Joeyconnick ( talk) 01:03, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
The name of Pomquet and Afton 23 seems to have been changed possibly in 2012 to Paqtnkek-Niktuek 23, Nova Scotia . Certainly the geographic names board [1] and the federal government [2] seem to be using the Mi'kmaq form. My question is, does this formal acceptance overide our norm of using English language? Would it be in order to make Paqtnkek-Niktuek 23 the main article, and have Pomquet and Afton 23 and Paqtnkek-Niktuek 23, Nova Scotia redirect to it? (I'm not sure why the Nova Scotia disambiguation was used in the first). Derek Andrews ( talk) 19:14, 5 January 2020 (UTC)
Per the edit war here, in Canadian English, is the past tense of "spell", "spelled", "spelt", or both? Discussion on the article's talk page as well. We may want to spell this out as I could find no guidance, but all of my Canadian English spell-checkers are throwing an error for the latter. Walter Görlitz ( talk) 20:25, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
Talk:Made in Canada (TV series)#Date format for article. Walter Görlitz ( talk) 20:44, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
It seems like there might be a conflict with the naming of neighbourhoods, which I don't see specifically addressed in the guideline. Should non-primary city names be shortened when they are used as a disambiguation tag for neighbourhoods? Examples:
As far as I can tell, there is no justification for shortening the city names, even though that's what has been happening so far (except Prince Albert.) Thoughts? 162 etc. ( talk) 20:47, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
As a Maritimer, I dispute the statement "Geographic L→R order makes sense to Canadians, because the provinces and the territories happen to be arranged in nearly perfect west to east lines [...]" I can't recall it being described west-to-east; all my life I've heard it as east-to-west, which would be R→L. When national media bother with geographical order, the East Coast seems to be the usual starting point. G. Timothy Walton ( talk) 00:44, 16 November 2021 (UTC)