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There are over 20,000 articles missing coordinates that have coordinates on Wikidata.
While I don't intend to import coordinates from Wikidata, as I don't believe it is well-curated at the moment, this is suggestive that a substantial number of articles will have coordinates on non-English Wikipedias, many of which have a sufficiently large user-base that they can be considered to be effectively curated by human beings.
I propose that we start importing coordinates from the following Wikipedias, all of which have more than 1 million articles, and have not had articles mass-created by LSJbot:
As part of this exercise. I plan first to generate lists of candidate coordinates from these that they can be assessed for quality before going any further.
Yes, I know that in theory, Wikidata is the way to do this kind of cross-wiki syncing. But in practice, there's as yet no real cross-wiki integration to enable human curation, and thus Wikidata is not ready to be useful as a way to do this yet. And of course, if I do the interwiki copying, I intend to export any coordinates I find to Wikidata as part of the process, if they're not already present, so that as and when Wikidata is eventually usable for this purpose, we can easily migrate to using Wikidata as the master data source.
I'd welcome any comments other editors have on this. In particular, please let me know now if you have any objections to this plan; I don't want to waste my time implementing this only to for the addition of these coordinates to be rejected by the community. — The Anome ( talk) 17:25, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
I've noticed that some templates that use the Kartographer extension are pulling in coordinates from Wikidata by default. This is bad news, as it represents a slide toward treating Wikidata as the master source of geographic data without there being a robust system of editorial oversight; the coordinates are nowhere to be found in the body of the article, and there is no clear way to detect in edit logs that Wikidata coordinates have changed, or simple user interface for correcting them if they're wrong. This seems to me to break the entire wiki principle that drives Wikipedia.
What to do about this? I'd be happy with using Wikidata coordinates in these if these problems could be fixed, but given the glacial rate of change in the Wikimedia software, I wouldn't hold out much hope of seeing this change. At least with mass-copying Wikidata to here, there's some chance of editorial oversight; this is worse that a mass import, because it's invisible. — The Anome ( talk) 15:47, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
{{coord}}
template in it. As you know by now, I don't think that indiscriminately pulling coordinates from Wikidata is a good idea, but I often feel like Dame Partington trying to push back the Atlantic with a mop.
Deor (
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16:47, 5 November 2023 (UTC)|official_name=
in that template, for example. –
Jonesey95 (
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13:55, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
Hello. There is a discussion that might be of your interest and it would be great if you can provide your feedback at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Maps#Feedback requested for innovation made. Sincerely, Thinker78 (talk) 01:14, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
I have captured my experience about improving geodata accuracy on OSM and Wikidata and shared it through a short OSM user diary and also a long form article on OSM wiki. Let me know your feedback or your questions. Arjunaraoc ( talk) 11:04, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
I see that the Overture Maps Foundation ( https://overturemaps.org/) have created a new identifier, the Global Entity Reference System. GERS identifiers are opaque 128-bit handles intended to identify unique entities at any level within the hierarchy of a geographic data system, but don't seem to be UUIDs. (See https://docs.overturemaps.org/guides/gers/). There seems to be some structure within them to be used to ease allocation (and perhaps as a sanity check), but that structure is not supposed to be used as data by end users. (See https://github.com/OvertureMaps/schema/discussions/27)
They also define more structured metadata types, such as places: https://docs.overturemaps.org/schema/reference/places/place/
We should probably follow this iniatiative and work out whether we should link our data with theirs. — The Anome ( talk) 10:17, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
I suggest a new coord family tag, {{ coord restricted}}. This would indicate that the article describes somewhere with known coordinates, but that those coordinates are restricted from public view with good reasons, and Wikipedians should not attempt to add coordinates to those articles. The primary use would be for archeological sites, whose locations are restricted to thwart vandals and grave robbers. — The Anome ( talk) 09:46, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
{{coord missing}}
tags in articles about places whose "coordinates are restricted from public view with good reasons", but I fear that it might be applied indiscriminately. I also think that approximate coordinates could be useful in some cases, as hike395 and Mandruss have suggested.
Deor (
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22:08, 4 May 2024 (UTC)Geographical coordinates | ||||
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Microformats | ||||
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WikiProject Geographical coordinates was featured in a WikiProject Report in the Signpost on 27 May 2013. |
Index
1,
2,
3,
4,
5,
6,
7,
8,
9,
10 |
This page has archives. Sections older than 270 days may be automatically archived by Lowercase sigmabot III when more than 6 sections are present. |
To-do list for Wikipedia:WikiProject Geographical coordinates:
Find coordinates for
Use Maybe-Checker: verify and/or add coordinates to articles in categories likely to need coordinates. Articles are also listed on WolterBot's cleanup listings ( User:WolterBot/Cleanup statistics) See also: Wikipedia:Obtaining geographic coordinates Tag articles needing coordinates
FixAs of July 18, 2024 08:19 (UTC)
Formatting errors:
More
|
There are over 20,000 articles missing coordinates that have coordinates on Wikidata.
While I don't intend to import coordinates from Wikidata, as I don't believe it is well-curated at the moment, this is suggestive that a substantial number of articles will have coordinates on non-English Wikipedias, many of which have a sufficiently large user-base that they can be considered to be effectively curated by human beings.
I propose that we start importing coordinates from the following Wikipedias, all of which have more than 1 million articles, and have not had articles mass-created by LSJbot:
As part of this exercise. I plan first to generate lists of candidate coordinates from these that they can be assessed for quality before going any further.
Yes, I know that in theory, Wikidata is the way to do this kind of cross-wiki syncing. But in practice, there's as yet no real cross-wiki integration to enable human curation, and thus Wikidata is not ready to be useful as a way to do this yet. And of course, if I do the interwiki copying, I intend to export any coordinates I find to Wikidata as part of the process, if they're not already present, so that as and when Wikidata is eventually usable for this purpose, we can easily migrate to using Wikidata as the master data source.
I'd welcome any comments other editors have on this. In particular, please let me know now if you have any objections to this plan; I don't want to waste my time implementing this only to for the addition of these coordinates to be rejected by the community. — The Anome ( talk) 17:25, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
I've noticed that some templates that use the Kartographer extension are pulling in coordinates from Wikidata by default. This is bad news, as it represents a slide toward treating Wikidata as the master source of geographic data without there being a robust system of editorial oversight; the coordinates are nowhere to be found in the body of the article, and there is no clear way to detect in edit logs that Wikidata coordinates have changed, or simple user interface for correcting them if they're wrong. This seems to me to break the entire wiki principle that drives Wikipedia.
What to do about this? I'd be happy with using Wikidata coordinates in these if these problems could be fixed, but given the glacial rate of change in the Wikimedia software, I wouldn't hold out much hope of seeing this change. At least with mass-copying Wikidata to here, there's some chance of editorial oversight; this is worse that a mass import, because it's invisible. — The Anome ( talk) 15:47, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
{{coord}}
template in it. As you know by now, I don't think that indiscriminately pulling coordinates from Wikidata is a good idea, but I often feel like Dame Partington trying to push back the Atlantic with a mop.
Deor (
talk)
16:47, 5 November 2023 (UTC)|official_name=
in that template, for example. –
Jonesey95 (
talk)
13:55, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
Hello. There is a discussion that might be of your interest and it would be great if you can provide your feedback at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Maps#Feedback requested for innovation made. Sincerely, Thinker78 (talk) 01:14, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
I have captured my experience about improving geodata accuracy on OSM and Wikidata and shared it through a short OSM user diary and also a long form article on OSM wiki. Let me know your feedback or your questions. Arjunaraoc ( talk) 11:04, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
I see that the Overture Maps Foundation ( https://overturemaps.org/) have created a new identifier, the Global Entity Reference System. GERS identifiers are opaque 128-bit handles intended to identify unique entities at any level within the hierarchy of a geographic data system, but don't seem to be UUIDs. (See https://docs.overturemaps.org/guides/gers/). There seems to be some structure within them to be used to ease allocation (and perhaps as a sanity check), but that structure is not supposed to be used as data by end users. (See https://github.com/OvertureMaps/schema/discussions/27)
They also define more structured metadata types, such as places: https://docs.overturemaps.org/schema/reference/places/place/
We should probably follow this iniatiative and work out whether we should link our data with theirs. — The Anome ( talk) 10:17, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
I suggest a new coord family tag, {{ coord restricted}}. This would indicate that the article describes somewhere with known coordinates, but that those coordinates are restricted from public view with good reasons, and Wikipedians should not attempt to add coordinates to those articles. The primary use would be for archeological sites, whose locations are restricted to thwart vandals and grave robbers. — The Anome ( talk) 09:46, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
{{coord missing}}
tags in articles about places whose "coordinates are restricted from public view with good reasons", but I fear that it might be applied indiscriminately. I also think that approximate coordinates could be useful in some cases, as hike395 and Mandruss have suggested.
Deor (
talk)
22:08, 4 May 2024 (UTC)