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Kurando-san error! Subpage Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Spiral100 could not be parsed properly. -- Kurando-san 02:18, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
Fir0002 suggested this discussion be moved to the talk page, so I have done so. Basically, when Fir digitally removed a leaf from this waterfall scene there were objections on the basis that removing elements is not appropriate for an encyclopedia. However, on the recent dried paprika nomination, removal of the head in the corner has not caused the same response. Fir's question, and my own, is why the difference in reaction? The bigger question here is whether removal of elements in the way is acceptable in an encyclopedia. Raven4x4x 08:01, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
Interesting. Most of my thoughts on the subject can be summed up here: [1]. Basically, if you could have done it pre-exposure, then there is nothing wrong with doing post-exposure through some other means, such as cloning. If you could have reached your hand out and held the leaf out of the way, there's nothing wrong with blotting it out in Photoshop, I say. Either way the result is the same, and you wouldn't be able to tell the difference if nobody said anything. So the simple solution is to simply do any photoshopping before you upload, and then don't tell anyone about it, and they won't be any wiser. PiccoloNamek 08:47, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
I suppose one thing that might be considered is that in the paprika photo, the head that is removed is totally irrelevent to the photo itself. Removing the head does nothing to reduce the illustrative value of the photo. But does that make it acceptable? I don't know myself; it's just a discussion point I thought I'd bring up. In fact I really don't have an opinion on this whole topic. I can see the merits of both sides. Raven4x4x 12:32, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
IMHO it depends on the edit. Simple things like rotating the image a few degrees is fine. Bigger things it all depends on what the photo is showing - in the caterpiller example above, the photo is of the caterpiller and the surroundings are not important to the image so removing something distracting is fine. In the waterfall picture, the environs of the waterfall are important, the enclosed leafy space adds the atmosphere that make the photograph what it is. Thryduulf 16:34, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
I think that it depends on the purpose of the photo, so it also depends on what we want the Featured Pictures to be. If we are rating the photo on it's artistic value, then no edits should be allowed, but in same cases to increase a photos educational value edits are needed to emphasize a subject. So the question is, what is a featured picture, is it a nice looking picture that just happens to illustrate an article, or is it simply illustrations for an article? If we are looking for artistic photo, then no edits should be allowed in a FPC, but if we want to concentrate on it's educational value to the wikipedia, then edits should be allowed as long as the main subject is untouched, and it isn't noticeable. PPGMD 17:17, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
To be honest, I don't think it is much of an issue, so long as the resulting image is not misleading or a straightout fake. I was somewhat concerned when I was being persuaded to edit out a distracting paraglider from Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Sunrise at Stonehenge, but in the long run I don't think it matters too much, although it is probably best to retain earlier unedited versions in the image history.
Part of the problem is that it is not really the case that photographs show an objective truth. I recall seeing an example of how one photograph could tell four completely different news stories, depending on how it was cropped. The original photograph was a moderately wide shot of dead body lying on a beach. Cropped to show just the body and the waves, gives the impression that the person drowned. Cropped to show the body and the base of the cliffs, suggests that they fell to their death etc.
Similarly, last weekend I saw a retrospective of the photographs of Jeff Wall [4] who splits his work into 'documentary' photographs which try to show objective truth and very similar 'cinematic' photographs in which the events are carefully staged in the maner of film production. Part of the game for the viewer is to decide which pictures are genuine and which are fake.
We should certainly aim for documentary photographs, but it is more important that they should show good illustrations of their subject and be honest about any alterations made. -- Solipsist 19:16, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
Heh; I'm a bit late to the discussion. Anyways, I completely agree with Dschwen's sentiments above (not the one directly above, but at the top of the section). Any manipulation of photos besides minor adjustments (cropping, contrast, etc.) is unacceptable. That's blurring reality and sets a dangerous precedent. We don't manipulate words or text to make them look better or to make them appear in our favor; we shouldn't do that to images, either. Thanks! Flcelloguy ( A note?) 16:14, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
I've been away and just saw this pop up on my watchlist, but I must say I'm disturbed that people consider image manipulation like removing unwanted elements acceptable. Images should not be tampered with to make them look better or more artistic. Rotation of course is fine; slight modifications like contrast and so on are acceptable, especially if they will give a more true impression of what an eyewitness would see rather than how the photograph turned out. But removing people, pipes, or pixels should never be done—I'd consider it a violation of trust if someone presented a photograph in this manner under false pretenses. If it is done, it should clearly be mentioned in the photograph's disclaimer: something like "This photograph has been altered to remove extraneous elements." I strongly discourage any such modification, even if it can be done skillfully without the casual viewer noticing. — Knowledge Seeker দ 02:20, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
The New York Times has an interesting article regarding photo manipulation in scientific journals. The Journal of Cell Biology has adopted a policy that only manipulations that affect the image as a whole, such as adjusted color balance or brightness, are permitted. ~ MDD 46 96 17:29, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
Dschwen, are you opposed to changes like
this? (compare to
smaller version of the untouched photo) —
0918
BRIAN • 2006-02-12 19:01
For more on this, apparently, continuous battle, see the results here: Wikipedia:Featured_picture_candidates/TaosPuebloToday. Even though I didn't make the edits to the photo, I frankly think its naive to have a hard-fast rule on re-touches. Minor retouches to clarify a photo, that have absolutely no bearing on the original image, are a hallmark of a lot of photographs --especially since this is an encyclopedia, not an art gallery, Anyhoo, those're my thinky-thoughts Bobak 20:54, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
Users at FPC may be interested in Wikipedia talk:What Wikipedia is not/galleries. enochlau ( talk) 15:17, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
The Main Page redesign project is nearing completion. And by popular demand, the Picture of the day is included! However, we have run into a bit of an impasse. We've pulled in the condensed version of the Picture of the day, but the built-in border is wreaking havoc with the page's format. Please take a look and advise. Is there any way to pull the picture-of-the-day onto a page without the border coming with it? Sincerely, Go for it! 15:50, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
Failing that, is there a way to remove the space around your border so it matches a page's padding? Go for it! 15:50, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
By the way, if you'd like to comment on the proposed Main Page redesign draft, there's still time. Let us know what you think! Go for it! 15:50, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
I'm good with HTML, I'll go create a test template and get back to you in a few minutes.. drumguy8800 - speak? 17:28, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
Unfortunately, I cannot get to the wiki source coding for the POTD template. But in the HTML, your problem is coming from here: <table cellspacing="5" width="100px" style="border-style:solid;border-color:#ccccff;padding:5px;text-align:center;">
I know when creating a table here on wikipedia, the format typically allows a style statement.. it should look identical to what's inside the style="" above. Make a new template called {{POTDnoborder}} (or whatever else is fitting) and simply remove that portion of the style statement. If you cannot get it to work, I can look at it, but that would require having special privelages or admin status or something.. hope you get it to work.
drumguy8800 -
speak?
17:35, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for your input so far, though I couldn't find the code of which you spoke, except as follows: the source for the template:POTD looks like this: {{Wikipedia:POTD/{{CURRENTMONTHNAME}} {{CURRENTDAY}}, {{CURRENTYEAR}}|<nowiki>{{{1}}}}}</nowiki> The formatting seems to be in each seperate image page called. Any ideas? Go for it! 18:35, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
Should we include this, or a similar, simple monitor "check test" on the top of the FPC page, in order to alert people to the problems of different monitor settings - which can influence voting rather significantly?
To test whether your monitor is properly adjusted and can display shadow detail properly, please check this image - in the large square, you should see the left half of the circle very faintly (or not at all), but the right half should be clearly visible. If not, you need to adjust your monitor.
-- Janke | Talk 11:39, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
Do you think the present test image may be a bit too large for the top of the FPC page? (I do.) How about a 70 high x 250 wide black ectangle, containing 3 circles, of which you should see at least the rightmost two, but maybe not the leftmost? (RGB values 5, 10 and 15 respectively) That would be a much smaller image. Just holler, and I'll make a sample... -- Janke | Talk 14:54, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
Is this better? Four circles, RGB values 6, 12, 26 and 38. If you see all four, your monitor is set on the bright side. Three is OK, but if you see less than three, your display doesn't show shadow detail properly.
I went ahead and added this to the top of the FPC page. Feel free to tweak the text or position the section differently. -- Janke | Talk 08:48, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
I dug a bit and found 15 FPs which are not currently used in any article:
They should be delisted. I suggest taking a look at the pics. But please don't just go inserting them since there might be (non aesthetic) reasons why they don't appear in any articles anymore. -- Dschwen 23:40, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
Well yes an no. If these are good pictures, then we should find good homes for them, unless there is a good reason not to. However, some of these are just housekeeping problems, as filenames sometimes get changed/improved on moving to Commons. So for example;
Wikipedia:Featured pictures should contain a link to where each of these images was used at the time of promotion, so it should be possible to see whether essentially the same image is still used in the article. -- Solipsist 10:22, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
I do not mean to put an end to the ongoing discussion at all, since a consensus clearly hasn't been found yet. But I'd like to propose this template
to label photoshopped pictures. This way the reader can make up his own mind. I'll have to code a switch into the template in case the original is not available (although I think it should always be made avaliable). Please disregard the diminutive example ;-) P.S.: Yes, I accidentally vandalized {{ FeaturedPicture}}, sorry... -- Dschwen 20:50, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
I posted a message on Wikipedia:Village pump (policy) pointing to this discussion.-- Dschwen 14:06, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
I think this template is a good idea, because it provides information to the reader that will otherwise go unnoticed. I don't see any harm in having the template. If we apply the tag on a best effort basis, and not make it a strict requirement for edited pictures, then it won't scare away contributors at the very least. Also, I think the exemptions (contrast et al) above are common sense. enochlau ( talk) 06:22, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
I completely agree with the idea. IMO specification other than touch ups by the photographer, which only try to compensate for technical deficiencies of the capturing aparatus is precise enough. Othervise more should be added, like noise reduction, reconstruction of dead pixels, scratches, etc. -- Wikimol 10:42, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
Only IMO such template should be applied on Commons in most cases. -- Wikimol 10:42, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
The general requirements and guidelines at the top of WP:FPC make no mention of images having to be of a high resolution where that can reasonably be expected, but we enforce this principle rigorously in practice. I've even heard one or two comments recently on rather small nominations expressing the position that if the nominator had only looked at the page for a couple of days before nominating, they wouldn't have troubled us with this pic.
Well how about we remove the requirement that new contributors read the page in full for a while before knowing what we want and add this requirement to the description at the top? I'm sure someone clever could come up with a 'preferred if at all possible' wording that wouldn't put off the proponents of smaller images justified by their rareness. Size may not be everything, but let's admit we do find it compelling :-) ~ Veledan • Talk 19:57, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
Wikipedia:What is a featured picture says only that pictures "Be of a sufficiently high resolution to allow quality reproductions." perhaps that language should be strengthened? Broken S 02:43, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
Slightly tangential - I run PDPhoto.org [5]. Sorry if this is a bit off topic, but what you decide here will influence how I format my photos. A lot of my photos end up getting used here on Wikipedia (that's a very good thing), and I'm just now trying to get actively involved here. For a while I've been considering increasing the size of the pictures I upload to my site, which of course would increase the size of the images people are grabbing to upload here. But how big? And is this even and issue? For example, I see people here saying the 1024x768 is good enough, but here Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Explosions.jpg a user is saying that's too small.
I want to find a happy balance between what is most useful for people and what won't bump up my bandwidth costs. I'm thinking of moving up to 1280x1024. But if 1600x1200 would really add considerable value, I might just do that. Any input the folks here have on such a sweet spot would be very helpful. -- y6y6y6 18:27, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
See Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Brooklyn Bridge at Night for example. What's with all the "strong support" votes? I'm a strong believer that one vote is indeed one vote, and that some users' opinions should never count more just because they hold the belief more strongly. A long time ago when I closed FPCs, I treated a "strong support" as if it were just a "support", while respecting the wishes of "weak support" voters by treating it as if it were about half a support. What do others think? enochlau ( talk) 06:06, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
If a picture is licenced under Creative_Commons Attribution ShareAlike 2.0 License, can it be submitted to the featured picture candidates? - YB 21:55, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
Would it be at all possible for us to place a list of the acceptable liscences for Featured Picture Canidates up on the project page? This would allow everyone to immediatly see what kind of liscences are acceptable without having to ask on this discussion page. I think that would help streamline the whole process. TomStar81 05:43, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
I have written up at the bottom of the page some rough removal information and have added an archive including archiving the two overdue removal requests. I think we should work on refining the guidelines and stuff though so if anyone has any suggestions please bring them up. Jtkiefer T | C | @ ---- 03:07, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
Having gotten back from my vacation and uploaded tons of pics and movies - would it be a problem if I were to nominate a large number of pictures (say, a 6-12) at once? Raul654 18:20, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
My initial batch of nominations would probably be:
I'm bumping this.
I've been reading that a lot lately. I understand that a picture needs to be of a reasonable size, and not like 200x100, but it seems like people are pushing a precendent that each picture needs to be big enough to be a wallpaper (more or less). This page says that a FP should be "of a sufficiently high resolution to allow quality reproductions." Is it about time we had some numbers down? - JPM | 16:25, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
This is a duplicate discussion of "Being up front about image size requirements" above? enochlau ( talk) 00:53, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
Is this picture good enough for fpc?-- God of War 19:00, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
Yellow? Yuck. What do others think? I suggest something more subdued like blue or something. enochlau ( talk) 00:25, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
Kurando-san error! Subpage Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Mr. Eko and the Black Smoke could not be parsed properly. -- Kurando-san 02:18, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
I just created {{breakafterimages}} to expand to the HTML
<br style="clear:both;" />
in order to get a break effect that includes images. Could we start promoting using it in the instructions:
===[[Wikipedia:{{subst:PAGENAME}}| ExampleName ]]=== [[ Image: Example.jpg |thumb| Caption goes here ]] Add your reasons for nominating it here; say what article it appears in, and who created the image. *Nominate and '''support'''. - ~~~~ * <!-- additional votes go above this line --> {{breakafterimages}}
- Bevo 17:58, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
I've noticed this come up as a reason to oppose several diagrams, most recently the carbon nanotubes one. Personally I don't see how this is a problem. It's impossable to make text readable in thumbnail view without it being two inches high in the full size image. I think this is an unrealistic expectation.
I suppose that all comes down to how you use images in the article. If I see a diagram in an article, I open it up full size in a new browser window. I don't need to be able to read the text in the thumbnail. Perhaps other people have different approaches. Raven4x4x 06:47, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
By the way, I added a new illustration with some labels to Picture Peer Review, so head over there and haggle with me over their sizes and general necessity :-) - Mstroeck 03:58, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
Can I suggest that the Featured Picture template, like the Featured Article template, provide a built-in link to the picture' nomination page? Palm_Dogg 23:28, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
Yes, at one point a bot was being coded to automate the promotion, but I think the project was scuttled because it turned out to be too hard and unwieldy. Broken Segue
There's a superfluous FPC template box between the drop and the card trick. I can't figure out what causes it. Can anybody fix this, please... THX, -- Janke | Talk 10:28, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
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Kurando-san error! Subpage Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Spiral100 could not be parsed properly. -- Kurando-san 02:18, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
Fir0002 suggested this discussion be moved to the talk page, so I have done so. Basically, when Fir digitally removed a leaf from this waterfall scene there were objections on the basis that removing elements is not appropriate for an encyclopedia. However, on the recent dried paprika nomination, removal of the head in the corner has not caused the same response. Fir's question, and my own, is why the difference in reaction? The bigger question here is whether removal of elements in the way is acceptable in an encyclopedia. Raven4x4x 08:01, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
Interesting. Most of my thoughts on the subject can be summed up here: [1]. Basically, if you could have done it pre-exposure, then there is nothing wrong with doing post-exposure through some other means, such as cloning. If you could have reached your hand out and held the leaf out of the way, there's nothing wrong with blotting it out in Photoshop, I say. Either way the result is the same, and you wouldn't be able to tell the difference if nobody said anything. So the simple solution is to simply do any photoshopping before you upload, and then don't tell anyone about it, and they won't be any wiser. PiccoloNamek 08:47, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
I suppose one thing that might be considered is that in the paprika photo, the head that is removed is totally irrelevent to the photo itself. Removing the head does nothing to reduce the illustrative value of the photo. But does that make it acceptable? I don't know myself; it's just a discussion point I thought I'd bring up. In fact I really don't have an opinion on this whole topic. I can see the merits of both sides. Raven4x4x 12:32, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
IMHO it depends on the edit. Simple things like rotating the image a few degrees is fine. Bigger things it all depends on what the photo is showing - in the caterpiller example above, the photo is of the caterpiller and the surroundings are not important to the image so removing something distracting is fine. In the waterfall picture, the environs of the waterfall are important, the enclosed leafy space adds the atmosphere that make the photograph what it is. Thryduulf 16:34, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
I think that it depends on the purpose of the photo, so it also depends on what we want the Featured Pictures to be. If we are rating the photo on it's artistic value, then no edits should be allowed, but in same cases to increase a photos educational value edits are needed to emphasize a subject. So the question is, what is a featured picture, is it a nice looking picture that just happens to illustrate an article, or is it simply illustrations for an article? If we are looking for artistic photo, then no edits should be allowed in a FPC, but if we want to concentrate on it's educational value to the wikipedia, then edits should be allowed as long as the main subject is untouched, and it isn't noticeable. PPGMD 17:17, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
To be honest, I don't think it is much of an issue, so long as the resulting image is not misleading or a straightout fake. I was somewhat concerned when I was being persuaded to edit out a distracting paraglider from Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Sunrise at Stonehenge, but in the long run I don't think it matters too much, although it is probably best to retain earlier unedited versions in the image history.
Part of the problem is that it is not really the case that photographs show an objective truth. I recall seeing an example of how one photograph could tell four completely different news stories, depending on how it was cropped. The original photograph was a moderately wide shot of dead body lying on a beach. Cropped to show just the body and the waves, gives the impression that the person drowned. Cropped to show the body and the base of the cliffs, suggests that they fell to their death etc.
Similarly, last weekend I saw a retrospective of the photographs of Jeff Wall [4] who splits his work into 'documentary' photographs which try to show objective truth and very similar 'cinematic' photographs in which the events are carefully staged in the maner of film production. Part of the game for the viewer is to decide which pictures are genuine and which are fake.
We should certainly aim for documentary photographs, but it is more important that they should show good illustrations of their subject and be honest about any alterations made. -- Solipsist 19:16, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
Heh; I'm a bit late to the discussion. Anyways, I completely agree with Dschwen's sentiments above (not the one directly above, but at the top of the section). Any manipulation of photos besides minor adjustments (cropping, contrast, etc.) is unacceptable. That's blurring reality and sets a dangerous precedent. We don't manipulate words or text to make them look better or to make them appear in our favor; we shouldn't do that to images, either. Thanks! Flcelloguy ( A note?) 16:14, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
I've been away and just saw this pop up on my watchlist, but I must say I'm disturbed that people consider image manipulation like removing unwanted elements acceptable. Images should not be tampered with to make them look better or more artistic. Rotation of course is fine; slight modifications like contrast and so on are acceptable, especially if they will give a more true impression of what an eyewitness would see rather than how the photograph turned out. But removing people, pipes, or pixels should never be done—I'd consider it a violation of trust if someone presented a photograph in this manner under false pretenses. If it is done, it should clearly be mentioned in the photograph's disclaimer: something like "This photograph has been altered to remove extraneous elements." I strongly discourage any such modification, even if it can be done skillfully without the casual viewer noticing. — Knowledge Seeker দ 02:20, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
The New York Times has an interesting article regarding photo manipulation in scientific journals. The Journal of Cell Biology has adopted a policy that only manipulations that affect the image as a whole, such as adjusted color balance or brightness, are permitted. ~ MDD 46 96 17:29, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
Dschwen, are you opposed to changes like
this? (compare to
smaller version of the untouched photo) —
0918
BRIAN • 2006-02-12 19:01
For more on this, apparently, continuous battle, see the results here: Wikipedia:Featured_picture_candidates/TaosPuebloToday. Even though I didn't make the edits to the photo, I frankly think its naive to have a hard-fast rule on re-touches. Minor retouches to clarify a photo, that have absolutely no bearing on the original image, are a hallmark of a lot of photographs --especially since this is an encyclopedia, not an art gallery, Anyhoo, those're my thinky-thoughts Bobak 20:54, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
Users at FPC may be interested in Wikipedia talk:What Wikipedia is not/galleries. enochlau ( talk) 15:17, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
The Main Page redesign project is nearing completion. And by popular demand, the Picture of the day is included! However, we have run into a bit of an impasse. We've pulled in the condensed version of the Picture of the day, but the built-in border is wreaking havoc with the page's format. Please take a look and advise. Is there any way to pull the picture-of-the-day onto a page without the border coming with it? Sincerely, Go for it! 15:50, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
Failing that, is there a way to remove the space around your border so it matches a page's padding? Go for it! 15:50, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
By the way, if you'd like to comment on the proposed Main Page redesign draft, there's still time. Let us know what you think! Go for it! 15:50, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
I'm good with HTML, I'll go create a test template and get back to you in a few minutes.. drumguy8800 - speak? 17:28, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
Unfortunately, I cannot get to the wiki source coding for the POTD template. But in the HTML, your problem is coming from here: <table cellspacing="5" width="100px" style="border-style:solid;border-color:#ccccff;padding:5px;text-align:center;">
I know when creating a table here on wikipedia, the format typically allows a style statement.. it should look identical to what's inside the style="" above. Make a new template called {{POTDnoborder}} (or whatever else is fitting) and simply remove that portion of the style statement. If you cannot get it to work, I can look at it, but that would require having special privelages or admin status or something.. hope you get it to work.
drumguy8800 -
speak?
17:35, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for your input so far, though I couldn't find the code of which you spoke, except as follows: the source for the template:POTD looks like this: {{Wikipedia:POTD/{{CURRENTMONTHNAME}} {{CURRENTDAY}}, {{CURRENTYEAR}}|<nowiki>{{{1}}}}}</nowiki> The formatting seems to be in each seperate image page called. Any ideas? Go for it! 18:35, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
Should we include this, or a similar, simple monitor "check test" on the top of the FPC page, in order to alert people to the problems of different monitor settings - which can influence voting rather significantly?
To test whether your monitor is properly adjusted and can display shadow detail properly, please check this image - in the large square, you should see the left half of the circle very faintly (or not at all), but the right half should be clearly visible. If not, you need to adjust your monitor.
-- Janke | Talk 11:39, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
Do you think the present test image may be a bit too large for the top of the FPC page? (I do.) How about a 70 high x 250 wide black ectangle, containing 3 circles, of which you should see at least the rightmost two, but maybe not the leftmost? (RGB values 5, 10 and 15 respectively) That would be a much smaller image. Just holler, and I'll make a sample... -- Janke | Talk 14:54, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
Is this better? Four circles, RGB values 6, 12, 26 and 38. If you see all four, your monitor is set on the bright side. Three is OK, but if you see less than three, your display doesn't show shadow detail properly.
I went ahead and added this to the top of the FPC page. Feel free to tweak the text or position the section differently. -- Janke | Talk 08:48, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
I dug a bit and found 15 FPs which are not currently used in any article:
They should be delisted. I suggest taking a look at the pics. But please don't just go inserting them since there might be (non aesthetic) reasons why they don't appear in any articles anymore. -- Dschwen 23:40, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
Well yes an no. If these are good pictures, then we should find good homes for them, unless there is a good reason not to. However, some of these are just housekeeping problems, as filenames sometimes get changed/improved on moving to Commons. So for example;
Wikipedia:Featured pictures should contain a link to where each of these images was used at the time of promotion, so it should be possible to see whether essentially the same image is still used in the article. -- Solipsist 10:22, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
I do not mean to put an end to the ongoing discussion at all, since a consensus clearly hasn't been found yet. But I'd like to propose this template
to label photoshopped pictures. This way the reader can make up his own mind. I'll have to code a switch into the template in case the original is not available (although I think it should always be made avaliable). Please disregard the diminutive example ;-) P.S.: Yes, I accidentally vandalized {{ FeaturedPicture}}, sorry... -- Dschwen 20:50, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
I posted a message on Wikipedia:Village pump (policy) pointing to this discussion.-- Dschwen 14:06, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
I think this template is a good idea, because it provides information to the reader that will otherwise go unnoticed. I don't see any harm in having the template. If we apply the tag on a best effort basis, and not make it a strict requirement for edited pictures, then it won't scare away contributors at the very least. Also, I think the exemptions (contrast et al) above are common sense. enochlau ( talk) 06:22, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
I completely agree with the idea. IMO specification other than touch ups by the photographer, which only try to compensate for technical deficiencies of the capturing aparatus is precise enough. Othervise more should be added, like noise reduction, reconstruction of dead pixels, scratches, etc. -- Wikimol 10:42, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
Only IMO such template should be applied on Commons in most cases. -- Wikimol 10:42, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
The general requirements and guidelines at the top of WP:FPC make no mention of images having to be of a high resolution where that can reasonably be expected, but we enforce this principle rigorously in practice. I've even heard one or two comments recently on rather small nominations expressing the position that if the nominator had only looked at the page for a couple of days before nominating, they wouldn't have troubled us with this pic.
Well how about we remove the requirement that new contributors read the page in full for a while before knowing what we want and add this requirement to the description at the top? I'm sure someone clever could come up with a 'preferred if at all possible' wording that wouldn't put off the proponents of smaller images justified by their rareness. Size may not be everything, but let's admit we do find it compelling :-) ~ Veledan • Talk 19:57, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
Wikipedia:What is a featured picture says only that pictures "Be of a sufficiently high resolution to allow quality reproductions." perhaps that language should be strengthened? Broken S 02:43, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
Slightly tangential - I run PDPhoto.org [5]. Sorry if this is a bit off topic, but what you decide here will influence how I format my photos. A lot of my photos end up getting used here on Wikipedia (that's a very good thing), and I'm just now trying to get actively involved here. For a while I've been considering increasing the size of the pictures I upload to my site, which of course would increase the size of the images people are grabbing to upload here. But how big? And is this even and issue? For example, I see people here saying the 1024x768 is good enough, but here Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Explosions.jpg a user is saying that's too small.
I want to find a happy balance between what is most useful for people and what won't bump up my bandwidth costs. I'm thinking of moving up to 1280x1024. But if 1600x1200 would really add considerable value, I might just do that. Any input the folks here have on such a sweet spot would be very helpful. -- y6y6y6 18:27, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
See Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Brooklyn Bridge at Night for example. What's with all the "strong support" votes? I'm a strong believer that one vote is indeed one vote, and that some users' opinions should never count more just because they hold the belief more strongly. A long time ago when I closed FPCs, I treated a "strong support" as if it were just a "support", while respecting the wishes of "weak support" voters by treating it as if it were about half a support. What do others think? enochlau ( talk) 06:06, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
If a picture is licenced under Creative_Commons Attribution ShareAlike 2.0 License, can it be submitted to the featured picture candidates? - YB 21:55, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
Would it be at all possible for us to place a list of the acceptable liscences for Featured Picture Canidates up on the project page? This would allow everyone to immediatly see what kind of liscences are acceptable without having to ask on this discussion page. I think that would help streamline the whole process. TomStar81 05:43, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
I have written up at the bottom of the page some rough removal information and have added an archive including archiving the two overdue removal requests. I think we should work on refining the guidelines and stuff though so if anyone has any suggestions please bring them up. Jtkiefer T | C | @ ---- 03:07, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
Having gotten back from my vacation and uploaded tons of pics and movies - would it be a problem if I were to nominate a large number of pictures (say, a 6-12) at once? Raul654 18:20, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
My initial batch of nominations would probably be:
I'm bumping this.
I've been reading that a lot lately. I understand that a picture needs to be of a reasonable size, and not like 200x100, but it seems like people are pushing a precendent that each picture needs to be big enough to be a wallpaper (more or less). This page says that a FP should be "of a sufficiently high resolution to allow quality reproductions." Is it about time we had some numbers down? - JPM | 16:25, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
This is a duplicate discussion of "Being up front about image size requirements" above? enochlau ( talk) 00:53, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
Is this picture good enough for fpc?-- God of War 19:00, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
Yellow? Yuck. What do others think? I suggest something more subdued like blue or something. enochlau ( talk) 00:25, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
Kurando-san error! Subpage Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Mr. Eko and the Black Smoke could not be parsed properly. -- Kurando-san 02:18, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
I just created {{breakafterimages}} to expand to the HTML
<br style="clear:both;" />
in order to get a break effect that includes images. Could we start promoting using it in the instructions:
===[[Wikipedia:{{subst:PAGENAME}}| ExampleName ]]=== [[ Image: Example.jpg |thumb| Caption goes here ]] Add your reasons for nominating it here; say what article it appears in, and who created the image. *Nominate and '''support'''. - ~~~~ * <!-- additional votes go above this line --> {{breakafterimages}}
- Bevo 17:58, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
I've noticed this come up as a reason to oppose several diagrams, most recently the carbon nanotubes one. Personally I don't see how this is a problem. It's impossable to make text readable in thumbnail view without it being two inches high in the full size image. I think this is an unrealistic expectation.
I suppose that all comes down to how you use images in the article. If I see a diagram in an article, I open it up full size in a new browser window. I don't need to be able to read the text in the thumbnail. Perhaps other people have different approaches. Raven4x4x 06:47, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
By the way, I added a new illustration with some labels to Picture Peer Review, so head over there and haggle with me over their sizes and general necessity :-) - Mstroeck 03:58, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
Can I suggest that the Featured Picture template, like the Featured Article template, provide a built-in link to the picture' nomination page? Palm_Dogg 23:28, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
Yes, at one point a bot was being coded to automate the promotion, but I think the project was scuttled because it turned out to be too hard and unwieldy. Broken Segue
There's a superfluous FPC template box between the drop and the card trick. I can't figure out what causes it. Can anybody fix this, please... THX, -- Janke | Talk 10:28, 8 February 2006 (UTC)