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Copied here from Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. Filiocht | Blarneyman 07:25, May 20, 2005 (UTC) Just a silly thought, but does anyone else feel that there could be a place for Wikipedia:Featured list candidates? Filiocht | Blarneyman 11:51, May 18, 2005 (UTC)
I think that there's a substantial difference in kind between, say, list of popes and list of notable libertarian theorists and authors. Random crap keeps sneaking into the latter, and there's no way of telling if it's comprehensive or not. I think the popes are featurable, the theorists are not. I'm not sure how to express that difference in the criteria, though. Something about the list being verifiably complete. Dave (talk) 13:37, May 18, 2005 (UTC)
I fail to see how a list or category can be of 'featured' quality. First, as Filiocht said, unless you stick with very clear cut, closed sets (like popes) you're bound to run into ambiguities. What is a 'comprehensive' list? Who is to say that the list should include A, B, and C, but not D. Also, a list is, um.. devoid of content. There's not really anything there to differentiate a good list from a bad one. [Raul]
Second, Wikiprojects (and categories) shouldn't be featured at all. The whole idea of 'featured' is to highlight content we feel is good. Wikiprojects are *not* content, they are designed to produce content; categories an lists are associations of content; they are not content in and of themselves →Raul654 14:45, May 18, 2005 (UTC)
It seems like two different things are being discussed here.
Personally, I think if lists and such are to be featured, they should go on WP:FA and be held to similar standards.
Featuring collections is a different question. The most common situation is when a good article grows and is exploded to subarticles; this happened to nuclear weapon and to spacecraft propulsion, for example. Of these, nuclear weapon is now a mess and shouldn't be featured regardless; spacecraft propulsion was run through the featured process again and is now featured on its own merits. However, it still derives much of its quality from the staggering number of supporting articles on individual methods of spacecraft propulsion, which were part of it when it was first featured.
Perhaps a "Featured topics" section on WP:FA would fit the bill; this would be for featuring whole collections of articles, and would link to an overview article (which should be good, of course, but it would be the quality of the detail articles that would be featured). An example (not of featured quality) would be nuclear technology. --18:12, May 18, 2005 (UTC)
Returning to my original suggestion, I think we should have featured lists for a number of reasons:
I'd just suggest that those that are interested go edit the relevant pages and lets see what emerges. Filiocht | Blarneyman 07:35, May 19, 2005 (UTC)
One final point; if there are concerns over the value of certain lists, can their resolution not be left to the good sense of those who write the criteria and who vote on the candidates, just as happens on FAC? In other words, can't we just trust in the wiki way? Filiocht | Blarneyman 07:37, May 19, 2005 (UTC)
I thin we need to agree an acceptable level of red links and add to the criteria. Personally, I'd oppose a zero-red-link policy, but am open to suggestions after that. Filiocht | Blarneyman 07:31, May 20, 2005 (UTC)
How long are we going to leave candidates on the list before promoting or rejecting them? WP:FAC leave candidates on for five days, and WP:FPC uses a fourteen day timetable, with a requirement for four support votes and a general consensus in favour. Given that traffic is somewhat light at the moment, a weekly (7 day) timetable may be OK too: thoughts? Also, how do we feel about a minimum number of support votes? -- ALoan (Talk) 14:04, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
Can I propose the following:
Filiocht | Blarneyman 08:18, May 25, 2005 (UTC)
Currently the edit links don't lead to the correct sections; I almost objected to the Cantos by accident. I don't know enough to try to fix it, though. Mark 1 07:38, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
After just two weeks, I think we can be very happy with the amount of traffic here. Clearly this process is meeting some kind of need.
It looks like the birds list can be out first FL, but as I nominated it, I'd be happier if someone else did the deed. Filiocht | Blarneyman 07:32, Jun 1, 2005 (UTC)
I'm not sure what I think about lists like List of religious topics and List of lists of mathematical topics. They're really impossible to reference, since instead of being comprehensive, they are a list of topics that wikipedia covers. No external sources appear to have been used to verify that everything is there that should be. As such, anyone can add a semi-important religious figure to the List of religious topics and get away with it, I would think. Where does one draw the line? I don't think these types of lists can possibly be comprehensive, unless someone uses real references to generate the listing. If it's based on something more than "all the topics that wikipedians can currently think of", it might be ok. So I guess my opinion is that if a list doesn't have references, it shouldn't be featured. Other opinions? -- Spangineer ∞ 11:20, Jun 1, 2005 (UTC)
This objection is absurd. How could a reference guarantee that all subjects are there?? It is impossible for all topics to be covered in any encyclopedia. And if there is some reason why a semi-important religious figure should not be listed, the same thing happens as when material that should not be there is put in any Wikipedia article. Why is Wikipedia less able to be "comprehensive" than any external source would be? Hundreds of mathematicians work on Wikipedia. Obviously they cannot make the list complete. A far smaller number of mathematicians work on the Encyclopedia Brittanica, which has a far less complete set of mathematical topics. And why would external references be any more important here than in any article, making sure everything is there that should be? And by the way, why shouldn't a semi-important religious figure be listed? Michael Hardy 00:20, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Oh, and categories are far inferior to topics lists. You can't change the title of a category without editing every article in the category. You cannot adapt the format of a category. You cannot put invisible links to discussion pages into a category for the purpose of having their edits appear when you click on "related changes". Michael Hardy 01:15, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
List of lists of mathematical topics is comprehensive in any reasonable sense of the word. We do not require articles to say everything that can possibly be said on a topic before it's featured on the main page. Nothing like that should be required of featured lists either. Michael Hardy 22:18, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I recently asked for input about User:TUF-KAT/List of genres of music by region, a list which I had wanted to nominate for this page. I'm just posting a note here too because I didn't get much feedback at Wikipedia talk:What is a featured list. Tuf-Kat 02:44, Jun 2, 2005 (UTC)
Hey, and while you're at it, how does List of countries where UN peacekeepers are currently deployed look? Saw it created on RC patrol earlier today, and I whipped up a decent list, I think. -- Dmcdevit 08:21, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I am, quite unilaterally I'm afraid, extending the deadline for this, as User:ALoan has indicated a willingness to address some of the issues raised. Filiocht | Blarneyman 10:00, Jun 2, 2005 (UTC)
Would anybody be interested in setting out standards at Wikipedia:WikiProject Lists? We could have specified guidelines for kinds of lists, like lists of officeholders, trivia lists, etc? Also, could timelines be considered a list for this project's purposes? (a list of themed dates in chronological order) Tuf-Kat 01:25, Jun 5, 2005 (UTC)
This has been here for 15 days now. For obvious reasons, I'm reluctant to be the one to deal with it. Can anyone help out? Filiocht | Blarneyman 07:28, Jun 9, 2005 (UTC)
I have copied the transclusion technique that we use for WP:FAC to this page as it makes it easier to follow individual nominations, jguk 23:02, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
As I'm not sure where else to talk about lists, I figure that I'd tell everyone here that the Wikipedia Microsoft notice board has a thread about a list of Microsoft topics (see WP:MSNB#Lists). If anyone would be able to assist, we would appreciate it. Also, drop a note to say "Hi" if you do! - Ta bu shi da yu 08:24, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Have we now reached a level of traffic where the 14 days could be cut to say 10? Filiocht | Blarneyman 09:54, Jun 22, 2005 (UTC)
Just in case you think I (we) are obsessed with lists relating to cricket, my personal featured wishlist goes much wider. -- ALoan (Talk) 12:03, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I would assume we'll accept family trees, like English monarchs family tree, British monarchs' family tree, Scipio-Paullus-Gracchus family tree, etc. Take a look at the full list at list of family trees. As long as we give many of these leads and references, they look like great candidates. Kudos to Muriel Gottrop! -- Dmcdevit 30 June 2005 23:03 (UTC)
Filiocht is away this week; I am going to be very busy at work for the next few weeks, and in any event feel the need for a Wikibreak, so will be away (trying not to read, let alone edit) until 1 August, possibly later. Please would someone take good care of WP:FLC and WP:FL in our absence. The main thing is to archive nominations after 10 days or so, filing in the current "featured log" or "failed log" as appropraite. (NB - this does not need admin powers.) -- ALoan (Talk) 5 July 2005 12:22 (UTC)
I've noticed that a lot of the lists nominated for featured status recently have lacked a certain finished, polished quality. Many of them have undergone heavy editing while under nomination. Of course, this is one of the benefits of becoming a featured list candidate, more people see the list in question and improve it. However, some articles are clearly not ready for FLC and their nomination only leads to unstable articles and extended nominations that last while the lists undergo extensive editing. I think the featured list criteria should specify that lists should spend some time on peer review before being nominated. Any thoughts? -- Sophitus 17:23, July 25, 2005 (UTC)
How do we feel about some of the lists mentioned at Wikipedia:Unusual articles?
For example, List of books with the subtitle "Virtue Rewarded" or List of exclamations used by Captain Haddock both look quite good and reasoanbly comprehensive. It should not be too hard to add references or images where required. -- ALoan (Talk) 12:20, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
Another crop of potential FLCs, from Category:Lists and sub-categories, and Wikipedia:List of lists, which lists around 12,350 "List of...", "Lists of..." and "Table of..." articles:
Not so sure:
Many of these could be polished up to FL standard in quick time, if anyone is looking for something to do. -- ALoan (Talk) 14:05, 3 August 2005 (UTC)
Take a look at this: List of political parties in India. I can neaten it up and make it presentable, but is it worth featuring? There are many red links which may hamper it being featured. I don't think its worth creating an article for each link, some parties are really very small. Any suggestions on how to improve it and if it is feasible? =Nichalp «Talk»= 18:57, August 6, 2005 (UTC)
Could I prevail on someone who has been involved in this project to weigh in at Wikipedia:Peer review/List of people associated with the French Revolution/archive1? So far, the only feedback I've gotten is from someone who seems to be telling me that the list inherently can't be featured, but is citing reasons that would also eliminate the (featured) Cantos list, so I have a hard time believing this is authoritative. Or was that list wrongly featured? -- Jmabel | Talk 17:04, August 7, 2005 (UTC)
Hi! I visit the featured lists and featured list candidates once in a while. In the meantime, it would be great if actual list names were mentioned in the edit summaries of the FL and FLC during nominations and promotions, in addition to "promote one more" etc. Could this be arranged? -- Eddi (Talk) 14:00, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
Please see: Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates#Featured lists and articles: both. =Nichalp «Talk»= 08:22, September 4, 2005 (UTC)
Hi,
I started to add a rulers.org entry for every country. I was at Azerbaijan when I received a message advising me not to do so for understandable reasons. Read the thread to get the idea.
I'm posting here because there is some potential for a list and maybe some people with more time to share than me would like to create such a List of rulers, worldwide and “History-wide”. Reply to David Latapie 20:11, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
It had to happen eventually: the first featured list removal candidate has been nominated - see Wikipedia:Featured list removal candidates. -- ALoan (Talk) 13:12, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
I'd like to have it explained to me what an Official oppose is, who can make them, and on what authority. Filiocht | The kettle's on 08:30, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
Also, the criteria for lists include the fact that it must have a majority of blue links. If the majority of blue links in a candidate are links to stub articles, is someone allowed to object on that rationale? IMO, it doesn't strictly violate the letter of the criteria, but it does violate the spirit of them. There seem to be several people, please don't name names, who create a bunch of short stubs to blue a bunch of red links. Tell me that people don't do that so they can artificially meet featured list criteria. Tell me that people create featurable lists to show off the best of Wikipedia, rather than doing it for its own sake. Miss Madeline | Talk to Madeline 19:32, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
This issue came up in the recently nominated List of Mega Man weapons... some lists simply don't link to any articles, because the list in itself is a compilation of the information on the subject. Such lists frequently occur as a result of merging articles, for instance in the area of fiction or lesser-known media figures (e.g. candidates of Some Show), or other items that have little information on them, such as minor planetoids. Is there any particular reason why such a list cannot become featured? If not I propose amending the What Is page accordingly. R adiant _>|< 13:51, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
I don't want to put this through featured list candidacy yet, but wondered what you guys thought (need a peer review process). I am not very well versed with lists, and am currently creating this: List of Anuran families. What do you all think? What is required to put it through to featured list? I would also like to create more columns, but cannot for the life of me think of anything to add. Any ideas? -- liquidGhoul 10:33, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
List of 2005 Atlantic hurricane season storms is an extremely strong article and undeniably a list. However, the nature of the article is to present information in text form with the storms listed, and not all of the storms have their own separate articles. While I am currently considering nominating it as a featured list, I'm not entirely certain that it fits the criteria of being a list in the Wikipedia sense. — Cuivi é nen, Wednesday, 5 April 2006 @ 02:19 ( UTC)
Does an admin officially have to change the status of the FLC? It seems that a normal editor can simply stick the template into place? Anyway,
have all passed the 10 day mark
Regards, Blnguyen | Have your say!!! 03:08, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
Depending on how you count, we have either just passed, or will reach in the next few days, the 100th featured list. See Wikipedia talk:Featured lists. -- ALoan (Talk) 17:00, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
How old should a list be before it is put forward for nomination; I ask specifically about Nuclear power by country, which seems to fulfil all the FL criteria, but was only created today. smurrayinch ester( User), ( Talk) 20:48, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
I have started a discussion on red links here, but am guessing that not many people are watching the page. If you would like to discuss it, please do. Thanks -- liquidGhoul 05:29, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
How can they be featured if they won't be displayed at the Main Page? -- Howard t he Du c k 07:26, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
I have raised this on Wikipedia talk:Picture of the day. -- ALoan (Talk) 15:13, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
This hasn't seen too much further action on Wikipedia talk:Picture of the day. I've tried to urge them on, but nothing's really taken off. Anybody with a bit more influence care to try something to get lists featured? As an author of 2, it would be really fantastic to see… -- Fbv 65 e del / ☑t / ☛c || 23:52, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
Regulars of FLC may be interested in a (more or less) current Request for Comments regarding the use of fair use images in lists. It can be found at Wikipedia:Fair use/Fair use images in lists. -- Run e Welsh | ταλκ 17:26, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
I wrote the some post in WP:FL, but it seems that that page isn't watched much. Well, what do you think about creating a collaboration which aims at promoting lists to FL status? CG 14:36, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
I've been working on getting List of Oregon State University people up to FL status and I submitted it for peer review. One of the comments was that each name should have an inline citation after it instead of simply listing all the refs at the bottom as general references. Is this in fact what should be done? For all the football players, that would be one VERY long list of a b c d e f etc. next to the reference. I'm not sure what it does past 26, but it would far exceed that. VegaDark 02:44, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
I nominated Narnian timeline for FL status on 13 November and it was closed 23 November, after 10 days, as is policy. However, only one person had commented on it (and it wasn't a "support" or "object" vote either, just a comment which I think I resolved). I feel that failing a nomination after 10 days makes no sense, it may be that people just didn't see it or that people declined to comment on it. I think a nomination should be left until some sort of consensus is reached -- or at least one vote is made. Failing it based on lack of participation, rather than quality, is self-contradictory.-- Fbv 65 e del / ☑t / ☛c || 21:39, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
Some members of relevant WikiProjects may be slightly biased, in terms of lending support to articles within their scope where it may not be deserved, but they also tend to be the most knowledgeable about the subject, its references, etc. If an article does not generate much interest within 10 days, it is usually an indication that it is not good enough, although most nominators receive some feedback for things that could be improved. -- ALoan (Talk) 00:44, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
Well, I resubmitted the article after referencing it, and hope you'll all take a look at it. Thanks. -- Fbv 65 e del / ☑t / ☛c || 21:23, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
In the section "To archive a nomination", shouldn't there be somethign about putting {{ Featured list}} in the article itself? I ask because List of Saskatchewan general elections didn't get this added when it was promoted (I've since added it myself). Tompw 14:22, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
The opera corpus. Problems: As a straight-out comrehensive list of simple factts, it's verifiable by any encyclopedia of music, but not significantly cited as that would be awkward, given the facts are not disputed. Is it worth submitting? Adam Cuerden talk 12:27, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
There's been some discussion following a failed GA nomination as to whether or not English football league system would be eligable for FL status. My main concern is whether or not it contains too much prose before to be eligable to be a "list"... what do people think? Tompw ( talk) 15:04, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
I've notied of late that more and more articles are not makign the cut for FL status. Not because they're bad lists, but because there aren't enough people voting on them. Articles will go two weeks with two votes. This shows me that there's a problem somewhere, and I'm thinking less and less it's due to the lists themselves. Do we need to try and get more people to be regulars here? What should be done with this? As far as I know FA and FP never have this problem. -- Wizardman 18:26, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
If I cannot find images for every member of a list, would it be better to not have images for any of them to keep the list looking consistent? I'm working on the {{ Canadian First Ministers}}, and for some provinces I cannot find images for all premiers. Some already-featured lists of heads of government have reached featured status without having pictures of every person, so a complete set of images is not needed for nomination. Would a list be more likely to pass if it had no images at all and looked internaly consistent rather than including all the images I could find? -- Arctic Gnome 23:02, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
If you have images for all but a few, some kind of placeholder image or blank space is appropriate. If you lack images for many, how about having the images in a table or gallery by themselves (just images, with captions). If you have images for only a few, then they might be appropriate as regular thumbnails in the lead and througout the list. -- 129.241.214.53 12:37, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
That's awfully short when you look at participation here. What would be people's general opinion if I were to change it to 14 days? (Many are up 14 days or so anyway, so the policy change would be somewhat superficial). I won't if there's some opposition, but I don't see the harm.-- Wizardman 23:22, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
I think we should tidy this up. Someone has created a new account today, explicitly stated that they are a buddy of one of the FLC authors on their userpage, and promoted that FLC despite it being 3-2 excluding obvious socks, having 50% redlinks and not sourced properly. I think we should knuckle down on a more serious criteria on who can promote these things. I had to rollback that bogus FLC passing. Blnguyen ( bananabucket) 01:52, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
I think we should go and appoint a small group of people, or something, if possible, not for any malicious purposes, but because Featured Content should be high quality, and to maintain high quality, we should have consistency amongst the judgment of what to promote or reject. The thing with AfD for instance, is that there is actually quite a lot of variation in the non trivial debates. It's only about two entries per week, and it isn't going to kill anybody if their FLC waits another day or two for the official rites. Blnguyen ( bananabucket) 07:12, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
There is a discussion taking place at Wikipedia talk:Featured list criteria#Fair Use images about the permitted level of usage of Fair Use images in Featured Lists. Your input would be welcomed. 23:02, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
In order to allow closing editors to explain their actions in a more eloquent manner than the edit summary allows, I'd like to propose that closed nominations are "boxed up", in the same way that Featured Articles nominations are. (See Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Featured log for examples). This is probably more important in the case of failed nominations, especially when the closing editor has to make a potentially controversial descisions. For an example, see Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Sites of Special Scientific Interest in Wiltshire. It uses User:Tompw/sandbox12, with a single (unnamed) parameter for the closing editor's comments.
What do people think? Tompw ( talk) 22:10, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
We all like the Simpsons and watching the NBA and NFL. That stuff's fun, and it's cool the way people have listed some important stuff about them. 2003 NBA Draft was an important one, seeing LeBron James and Carmelo Anthony rise. Now I've been trying to pull together a List of the writings of William Monahan but some seem to think it's not worthy of a list. It's a depthy subject about a great raw talent who was well known in New York. Anyways, the problem is a bunch of kids at AfD want to delete the list before it's even completed. Frankly, I find it frightening. If you do too please vote to Keep the list at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of the writings of William Monahan.- BillDeanCarter 04:26, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
Is there a procedure for withdrawn noms? A list I generated from a script was nominated, and I've persuaded the nominator that it is a bad idea and should be withdrawn, but I don't see a procedure for this. Do we just lump them in with failed noms? Yomangani talk 13:56, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
A rewrite of WP:FICT is being proposed at Wikipedia talk:Notability (fiction)#Rewrite proposed. Needs polishing, clarification, and so on, but it's a start. — Deckill er 22:04, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
This article has been on FLC for over a month now, thanks entirely to Shudda's opposition and refusal to accept the notability of inducters; this in comparison to eight (8) support votes. Clearly something has to be done to wrap this up, and I don't think the appropriate thing to do is close it because of one minority opposition vote, but it also doesn't seem right to promote it with any outstanding opposes. Thoughts? -- MarcK 00:52, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
(crossposting from WP:VPA)
There is somewhat of a discussion on FLC about this, and I wanted to ask here. What kind of picture style to folks like in lists of people? There's three different kinds:
Personally, I greatly prefer option #2; I feel that having pictures in the table bloats it horribly. Also, there's the situation, especially on Alabama, where over half the people don't have good free images available; that's why, for example, I don't have a picture of George Wallace there. When I had the pictures in the table itself, it was full of "placeholder" images, which didn't add any value to the table whatsoever. I can see an exception for national office holders, since 1) it tends to be easier to get pictures of those, and 2) they're far more recognizable than governors or lesser offices. But I wanted to see where other folks stood on this. (and FYI, the Georgia article only has no pictures because they haven't been added yet, but I wanted to portray that option as well) -- Golbez 16:52, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
Featured Articles have a Featured Article Review; do we have something similar for Lists? Or does Featured List Removal kind of deal with that? I ask because I don't think List of Governors of Delaware presently stands up as a featured list (it was promoted over a year ago), but I don't necessarily want to remove it; I want to see if others agree, and if so, I'll spruce it up. But if no one else agrees, who am I to tamper with a featured list? -- Golbez 23:45, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
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Copied here from Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. Filiocht | Blarneyman 07:25, May 20, 2005 (UTC) Just a silly thought, but does anyone else feel that there could be a place for Wikipedia:Featured list candidates? Filiocht | Blarneyman 11:51, May 18, 2005 (UTC)
I think that there's a substantial difference in kind between, say, list of popes and list of notable libertarian theorists and authors. Random crap keeps sneaking into the latter, and there's no way of telling if it's comprehensive or not. I think the popes are featurable, the theorists are not. I'm not sure how to express that difference in the criteria, though. Something about the list being verifiably complete. Dave (talk) 13:37, May 18, 2005 (UTC)
I fail to see how a list or category can be of 'featured' quality. First, as Filiocht said, unless you stick with very clear cut, closed sets (like popes) you're bound to run into ambiguities. What is a 'comprehensive' list? Who is to say that the list should include A, B, and C, but not D. Also, a list is, um.. devoid of content. There's not really anything there to differentiate a good list from a bad one. [Raul]
Second, Wikiprojects (and categories) shouldn't be featured at all. The whole idea of 'featured' is to highlight content we feel is good. Wikiprojects are *not* content, they are designed to produce content; categories an lists are associations of content; they are not content in and of themselves →Raul654 14:45, May 18, 2005 (UTC)
It seems like two different things are being discussed here.
Personally, I think if lists and such are to be featured, they should go on WP:FA and be held to similar standards.
Featuring collections is a different question. The most common situation is when a good article grows and is exploded to subarticles; this happened to nuclear weapon and to spacecraft propulsion, for example. Of these, nuclear weapon is now a mess and shouldn't be featured regardless; spacecraft propulsion was run through the featured process again and is now featured on its own merits. However, it still derives much of its quality from the staggering number of supporting articles on individual methods of spacecraft propulsion, which were part of it when it was first featured.
Perhaps a "Featured topics" section on WP:FA would fit the bill; this would be for featuring whole collections of articles, and would link to an overview article (which should be good, of course, but it would be the quality of the detail articles that would be featured). An example (not of featured quality) would be nuclear technology. --18:12, May 18, 2005 (UTC)
Returning to my original suggestion, I think we should have featured lists for a number of reasons:
I'd just suggest that those that are interested go edit the relevant pages and lets see what emerges. Filiocht | Blarneyman 07:35, May 19, 2005 (UTC)
One final point; if there are concerns over the value of certain lists, can their resolution not be left to the good sense of those who write the criteria and who vote on the candidates, just as happens on FAC? In other words, can't we just trust in the wiki way? Filiocht | Blarneyman 07:37, May 19, 2005 (UTC)
I thin we need to agree an acceptable level of red links and add to the criteria. Personally, I'd oppose a zero-red-link policy, but am open to suggestions after that. Filiocht | Blarneyman 07:31, May 20, 2005 (UTC)
How long are we going to leave candidates on the list before promoting or rejecting them? WP:FAC leave candidates on for five days, and WP:FPC uses a fourteen day timetable, with a requirement for four support votes and a general consensus in favour. Given that traffic is somewhat light at the moment, a weekly (7 day) timetable may be OK too: thoughts? Also, how do we feel about a minimum number of support votes? -- ALoan (Talk) 14:04, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
Can I propose the following:
Filiocht | Blarneyman 08:18, May 25, 2005 (UTC)
Currently the edit links don't lead to the correct sections; I almost objected to the Cantos by accident. I don't know enough to try to fix it, though. Mark 1 07:38, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
After just two weeks, I think we can be very happy with the amount of traffic here. Clearly this process is meeting some kind of need.
It looks like the birds list can be out first FL, but as I nominated it, I'd be happier if someone else did the deed. Filiocht | Blarneyman 07:32, Jun 1, 2005 (UTC)
I'm not sure what I think about lists like List of religious topics and List of lists of mathematical topics. They're really impossible to reference, since instead of being comprehensive, they are a list of topics that wikipedia covers. No external sources appear to have been used to verify that everything is there that should be. As such, anyone can add a semi-important religious figure to the List of religious topics and get away with it, I would think. Where does one draw the line? I don't think these types of lists can possibly be comprehensive, unless someone uses real references to generate the listing. If it's based on something more than "all the topics that wikipedians can currently think of", it might be ok. So I guess my opinion is that if a list doesn't have references, it shouldn't be featured. Other opinions? -- Spangineer ∞ 11:20, Jun 1, 2005 (UTC)
This objection is absurd. How could a reference guarantee that all subjects are there?? It is impossible for all topics to be covered in any encyclopedia. And if there is some reason why a semi-important religious figure should not be listed, the same thing happens as when material that should not be there is put in any Wikipedia article. Why is Wikipedia less able to be "comprehensive" than any external source would be? Hundreds of mathematicians work on Wikipedia. Obviously they cannot make the list complete. A far smaller number of mathematicians work on the Encyclopedia Brittanica, which has a far less complete set of mathematical topics. And why would external references be any more important here than in any article, making sure everything is there that should be? And by the way, why shouldn't a semi-important religious figure be listed? Michael Hardy 00:20, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Oh, and categories are far inferior to topics lists. You can't change the title of a category without editing every article in the category. You cannot adapt the format of a category. You cannot put invisible links to discussion pages into a category for the purpose of having their edits appear when you click on "related changes". Michael Hardy 01:15, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
List of lists of mathematical topics is comprehensive in any reasonable sense of the word. We do not require articles to say everything that can possibly be said on a topic before it's featured on the main page. Nothing like that should be required of featured lists either. Michael Hardy 22:18, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I recently asked for input about User:TUF-KAT/List of genres of music by region, a list which I had wanted to nominate for this page. I'm just posting a note here too because I didn't get much feedback at Wikipedia talk:What is a featured list. Tuf-Kat 02:44, Jun 2, 2005 (UTC)
Hey, and while you're at it, how does List of countries where UN peacekeepers are currently deployed look? Saw it created on RC patrol earlier today, and I whipped up a decent list, I think. -- Dmcdevit 08:21, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I am, quite unilaterally I'm afraid, extending the deadline for this, as User:ALoan has indicated a willingness to address some of the issues raised. Filiocht | Blarneyman 10:00, Jun 2, 2005 (UTC)
Would anybody be interested in setting out standards at Wikipedia:WikiProject Lists? We could have specified guidelines for kinds of lists, like lists of officeholders, trivia lists, etc? Also, could timelines be considered a list for this project's purposes? (a list of themed dates in chronological order) Tuf-Kat 01:25, Jun 5, 2005 (UTC)
This has been here for 15 days now. For obvious reasons, I'm reluctant to be the one to deal with it. Can anyone help out? Filiocht | Blarneyman 07:28, Jun 9, 2005 (UTC)
I have copied the transclusion technique that we use for WP:FAC to this page as it makes it easier to follow individual nominations, jguk 23:02, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
As I'm not sure where else to talk about lists, I figure that I'd tell everyone here that the Wikipedia Microsoft notice board has a thread about a list of Microsoft topics (see WP:MSNB#Lists). If anyone would be able to assist, we would appreciate it. Also, drop a note to say "Hi" if you do! - Ta bu shi da yu 08:24, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Have we now reached a level of traffic where the 14 days could be cut to say 10? Filiocht | Blarneyman 09:54, Jun 22, 2005 (UTC)
Just in case you think I (we) are obsessed with lists relating to cricket, my personal featured wishlist goes much wider. -- ALoan (Talk) 12:03, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I would assume we'll accept family trees, like English monarchs family tree, British monarchs' family tree, Scipio-Paullus-Gracchus family tree, etc. Take a look at the full list at list of family trees. As long as we give many of these leads and references, they look like great candidates. Kudos to Muriel Gottrop! -- Dmcdevit 30 June 2005 23:03 (UTC)
Filiocht is away this week; I am going to be very busy at work for the next few weeks, and in any event feel the need for a Wikibreak, so will be away (trying not to read, let alone edit) until 1 August, possibly later. Please would someone take good care of WP:FLC and WP:FL in our absence. The main thing is to archive nominations after 10 days or so, filing in the current "featured log" or "failed log" as appropraite. (NB - this does not need admin powers.) -- ALoan (Talk) 5 July 2005 12:22 (UTC)
I've noticed that a lot of the lists nominated for featured status recently have lacked a certain finished, polished quality. Many of them have undergone heavy editing while under nomination. Of course, this is one of the benefits of becoming a featured list candidate, more people see the list in question and improve it. However, some articles are clearly not ready for FLC and their nomination only leads to unstable articles and extended nominations that last while the lists undergo extensive editing. I think the featured list criteria should specify that lists should spend some time on peer review before being nominated. Any thoughts? -- Sophitus 17:23, July 25, 2005 (UTC)
How do we feel about some of the lists mentioned at Wikipedia:Unusual articles?
For example, List of books with the subtitle "Virtue Rewarded" or List of exclamations used by Captain Haddock both look quite good and reasoanbly comprehensive. It should not be too hard to add references or images where required. -- ALoan (Talk) 12:20, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
Another crop of potential FLCs, from Category:Lists and sub-categories, and Wikipedia:List of lists, which lists around 12,350 "List of...", "Lists of..." and "Table of..." articles:
Not so sure:
Many of these could be polished up to FL standard in quick time, if anyone is looking for something to do. -- ALoan (Talk) 14:05, 3 August 2005 (UTC)
Take a look at this: List of political parties in India. I can neaten it up and make it presentable, but is it worth featuring? There are many red links which may hamper it being featured. I don't think its worth creating an article for each link, some parties are really very small. Any suggestions on how to improve it and if it is feasible? =Nichalp «Talk»= 18:57, August 6, 2005 (UTC)
Could I prevail on someone who has been involved in this project to weigh in at Wikipedia:Peer review/List of people associated with the French Revolution/archive1? So far, the only feedback I've gotten is from someone who seems to be telling me that the list inherently can't be featured, but is citing reasons that would also eliminate the (featured) Cantos list, so I have a hard time believing this is authoritative. Or was that list wrongly featured? -- Jmabel | Talk 17:04, August 7, 2005 (UTC)
Hi! I visit the featured lists and featured list candidates once in a while. In the meantime, it would be great if actual list names were mentioned in the edit summaries of the FL and FLC during nominations and promotions, in addition to "promote one more" etc. Could this be arranged? -- Eddi (Talk) 14:00, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
Please see: Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates#Featured lists and articles: both. =Nichalp «Talk»= 08:22, September 4, 2005 (UTC)
Hi,
I started to add a rulers.org entry for every country. I was at Azerbaijan when I received a message advising me not to do so for understandable reasons. Read the thread to get the idea.
I'm posting here because there is some potential for a list and maybe some people with more time to share than me would like to create such a List of rulers, worldwide and “History-wide”. Reply to David Latapie 20:11, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
It had to happen eventually: the first featured list removal candidate has been nominated - see Wikipedia:Featured list removal candidates. -- ALoan (Talk) 13:12, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
I'd like to have it explained to me what an Official oppose is, who can make them, and on what authority. Filiocht | The kettle's on 08:30, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
Also, the criteria for lists include the fact that it must have a majority of blue links. If the majority of blue links in a candidate are links to stub articles, is someone allowed to object on that rationale? IMO, it doesn't strictly violate the letter of the criteria, but it does violate the spirit of them. There seem to be several people, please don't name names, who create a bunch of short stubs to blue a bunch of red links. Tell me that people don't do that so they can artificially meet featured list criteria. Tell me that people create featurable lists to show off the best of Wikipedia, rather than doing it for its own sake. Miss Madeline | Talk to Madeline 19:32, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
This issue came up in the recently nominated List of Mega Man weapons... some lists simply don't link to any articles, because the list in itself is a compilation of the information on the subject. Such lists frequently occur as a result of merging articles, for instance in the area of fiction or lesser-known media figures (e.g. candidates of Some Show), or other items that have little information on them, such as minor planetoids. Is there any particular reason why such a list cannot become featured? If not I propose amending the What Is page accordingly. R adiant _>|< 13:51, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
I don't want to put this through featured list candidacy yet, but wondered what you guys thought (need a peer review process). I am not very well versed with lists, and am currently creating this: List of Anuran families. What do you all think? What is required to put it through to featured list? I would also like to create more columns, but cannot for the life of me think of anything to add. Any ideas? -- liquidGhoul 10:33, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
List of 2005 Atlantic hurricane season storms is an extremely strong article and undeniably a list. However, the nature of the article is to present information in text form with the storms listed, and not all of the storms have their own separate articles. While I am currently considering nominating it as a featured list, I'm not entirely certain that it fits the criteria of being a list in the Wikipedia sense. — Cuivi é nen, Wednesday, 5 April 2006 @ 02:19 ( UTC)
Does an admin officially have to change the status of the FLC? It seems that a normal editor can simply stick the template into place? Anyway,
have all passed the 10 day mark
Regards, Blnguyen | Have your say!!! 03:08, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
Depending on how you count, we have either just passed, or will reach in the next few days, the 100th featured list. See Wikipedia talk:Featured lists. -- ALoan (Talk) 17:00, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
How old should a list be before it is put forward for nomination; I ask specifically about Nuclear power by country, which seems to fulfil all the FL criteria, but was only created today. smurrayinch ester( User), ( Talk) 20:48, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
I have started a discussion on red links here, but am guessing that not many people are watching the page. If you would like to discuss it, please do. Thanks -- liquidGhoul 05:29, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
How can they be featured if they won't be displayed at the Main Page? -- Howard t he Du c k 07:26, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
I have raised this on Wikipedia talk:Picture of the day. -- ALoan (Talk) 15:13, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
This hasn't seen too much further action on Wikipedia talk:Picture of the day. I've tried to urge them on, but nothing's really taken off. Anybody with a bit more influence care to try something to get lists featured? As an author of 2, it would be really fantastic to see… -- Fbv 65 e del / ☑t / ☛c || 23:52, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
Regulars of FLC may be interested in a (more or less) current Request for Comments regarding the use of fair use images in lists. It can be found at Wikipedia:Fair use/Fair use images in lists. -- Run e Welsh | ταλκ 17:26, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
I wrote the some post in WP:FL, but it seems that that page isn't watched much. Well, what do you think about creating a collaboration which aims at promoting lists to FL status? CG 14:36, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
I've been working on getting List of Oregon State University people up to FL status and I submitted it for peer review. One of the comments was that each name should have an inline citation after it instead of simply listing all the refs at the bottom as general references. Is this in fact what should be done? For all the football players, that would be one VERY long list of a b c d e f etc. next to the reference. I'm not sure what it does past 26, but it would far exceed that. VegaDark 02:44, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
I nominated Narnian timeline for FL status on 13 November and it was closed 23 November, after 10 days, as is policy. However, only one person had commented on it (and it wasn't a "support" or "object" vote either, just a comment which I think I resolved). I feel that failing a nomination after 10 days makes no sense, it may be that people just didn't see it or that people declined to comment on it. I think a nomination should be left until some sort of consensus is reached -- or at least one vote is made. Failing it based on lack of participation, rather than quality, is self-contradictory.-- Fbv 65 e del / ☑t / ☛c || 21:39, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
Some members of relevant WikiProjects may be slightly biased, in terms of lending support to articles within their scope where it may not be deserved, but they also tend to be the most knowledgeable about the subject, its references, etc. If an article does not generate much interest within 10 days, it is usually an indication that it is not good enough, although most nominators receive some feedback for things that could be improved. -- ALoan (Talk) 00:44, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
Well, I resubmitted the article after referencing it, and hope you'll all take a look at it. Thanks. -- Fbv 65 e del / ☑t / ☛c || 21:23, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
In the section "To archive a nomination", shouldn't there be somethign about putting {{ Featured list}} in the article itself? I ask because List of Saskatchewan general elections didn't get this added when it was promoted (I've since added it myself). Tompw 14:22, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
The opera corpus. Problems: As a straight-out comrehensive list of simple factts, it's verifiable by any encyclopedia of music, but not significantly cited as that would be awkward, given the facts are not disputed. Is it worth submitting? Adam Cuerden talk 12:27, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
There's been some discussion following a failed GA nomination as to whether or not English football league system would be eligable for FL status. My main concern is whether or not it contains too much prose before to be eligable to be a "list"... what do people think? Tompw ( talk) 15:04, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
I've notied of late that more and more articles are not makign the cut for FL status. Not because they're bad lists, but because there aren't enough people voting on them. Articles will go two weeks with two votes. This shows me that there's a problem somewhere, and I'm thinking less and less it's due to the lists themselves. Do we need to try and get more people to be regulars here? What should be done with this? As far as I know FA and FP never have this problem. -- Wizardman 18:26, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
If I cannot find images for every member of a list, would it be better to not have images for any of them to keep the list looking consistent? I'm working on the {{ Canadian First Ministers}}, and for some provinces I cannot find images for all premiers. Some already-featured lists of heads of government have reached featured status without having pictures of every person, so a complete set of images is not needed for nomination. Would a list be more likely to pass if it had no images at all and looked internaly consistent rather than including all the images I could find? -- Arctic Gnome 23:02, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
If you have images for all but a few, some kind of placeholder image or blank space is appropriate. If you lack images for many, how about having the images in a table or gallery by themselves (just images, with captions). If you have images for only a few, then they might be appropriate as regular thumbnails in the lead and througout the list. -- 129.241.214.53 12:37, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
That's awfully short when you look at participation here. What would be people's general opinion if I were to change it to 14 days? (Many are up 14 days or so anyway, so the policy change would be somewhat superficial). I won't if there's some opposition, but I don't see the harm.-- Wizardman 23:22, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
I think we should tidy this up. Someone has created a new account today, explicitly stated that they are a buddy of one of the FLC authors on their userpage, and promoted that FLC despite it being 3-2 excluding obvious socks, having 50% redlinks and not sourced properly. I think we should knuckle down on a more serious criteria on who can promote these things. I had to rollback that bogus FLC passing. Blnguyen ( bananabucket) 01:52, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
I think we should go and appoint a small group of people, or something, if possible, not for any malicious purposes, but because Featured Content should be high quality, and to maintain high quality, we should have consistency amongst the judgment of what to promote or reject. The thing with AfD for instance, is that there is actually quite a lot of variation in the non trivial debates. It's only about two entries per week, and it isn't going to kill anybody if their FLC waits another day or two for the official rites. Blnguyen ( bananabucket) 07:12, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
There is a discussion taking place at Wikipedia talk:Featured list criteria#Fair Use images about the permitted level of usage of Fair Use images in Featured Lists. Your input would be welcomed. 23:02, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
In order to allow closing editors to explain their actions in a more eloquent manner than the edit summary allows, I'd like to propose that closed nominations are "boxed up", in the same way that Featured Articles nominations are. (See Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Featured log for examples). This is probably more important in the case of failed nominations, especially when the closing editor has to make a potentially controversial descisions. For an example, see Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Sites of Special Scientific Interest in Wiltshire. It uses User:Tompw/sandbox12, with a single (unnamed) parameter for the closing editor's comments.
What do people think? Tompw ( talk) 22:10, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
We all like the Simpsons and watching the NBA and NFL. That stuff's fun, and it's cool the way people have listed some important stuff about them. 2003 NBA Draft was an important one, seeing LeBron James and Carmelo Anthony rise. Now I've been trying to pull together a List of the writings of William Monahan but some seem to think it's not worthy of a list. It's a depthy subject about a great raw talent who was well known in New York. Anyways, the problem is a bunch of kids at AfD want to delete the list before it's even completed. Frankly, I find it frightening. If you do too please vote to Keep the list at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of the writings of William Monahan.- BillDeanCarter 04:26, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
Is there a procedure for withdrawn noms? A list I generated from a script was nominated, and I've persuaded the nominator that it is a bad idea and should be withdrawn, but I don't see a procedure for this. Do we just lump them in with failed noms? Yomangani talk 13:56, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
A rewrite of WP:FICT is being proposed at Wikipedia talk:Notability (fiction)#Rewrite proposed. Needs polishing, clarification, and so on, but it's a start. — Deckill er 22:04, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
This article has been on FLC for over a month now, thanks entirely to Shudda's opposition and refusal to accept the notability of inducters; this in comparison to eight (8) support votes. Clearly something has to be done to wrap this up, and I don't think the appropriate thing to do is close it because of one minority opposition vote, but it also doesn't seem right to promote it with any outstanding opposes. Thoughts? -- MarcK 00:52, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
(crossposting from WP:VPA)
There is somewhat of a discussion on FLC about this, and I wanted to ask here. What kind of picture style to folks like in lists of people? There's three different kinds:
Personally, I greatly prefer option #2; I feel that having pictures in the table bloats it horribly. Also, there's the situation, especially on Alabama, where over half the people don't have good free images available; that's why, for example, I don't have a picture of George Wallace there. When I had the pictures in the table itself, it was full of "placeholder" images, which didn't add any value to the table whatsoever. I can see an exception for national office holders, since 1) it tends to be easier to get pictures of those, and 2) they're far more recognizable than governors or lesser offices. But I wanted to see where other folks stood on this. (and FYI, the Georgia article only has no pictures because they haven't been added yet, but I wanted to portray that option as well) -- Golbez 16:52, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
Featured Articles have a Featured Article Review; do we have something similar for Lists? Or does Featured List Removal kind of deal with that? I ask because I don't think List of Governors of Delaware presently stands up as a featured list (it was promoted over a year ago), but I don't necessarily want to remove it; I want to see if others agree, and if so, I'll spruce it up. But if no one else agrees, who am I to tamper with a featured list? -- Golbez 23:45, 17 July 2007 (UTC)