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It appears that discussions needing to be referred to another noticeboard use two templates. I am copying the exact template of a real discussion transferred from the RS Noticeboard to the External Links Noticeboard. The first template is placed on the thread at the original board:
{{dmt|Wikipedia:External links/Noticeboard#Personal_websites_of_disaffected_members_of_religious_groups}}
produces:
Then the second template is placed on the transferred discussion at the target noticeboard location with the discussion copy pasted into a new section:
{{dmf|Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard#External_Links}}
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Of course...it could be either placement first I suppose. Now, I went ahead and attributed in the edit summary, however these seem to be attribution tags in themselves.-- Mark Just ask! WER TEA DR/N 03:29, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
Recusing from request. Interactions with Canoe1967.-- Mark Just ask! WER TEA DR/N 21:26, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
Hi all. I've implemented the change to the volunteer list layout. Can you all please add yourself back on by going to this page and follow the instructions. It's largely designed to make us a bit more human. I've also implemented the co-ordinator role, and I think it best to lead by example, so I will do the first 2 months, ending 31 Sept. Please add yourself on when possible. Off to bed. Exhausted. Steven Zhang Help resolve disputes! 17:25, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
All cases that I have contributed to or taken on will need another volunteer. Don't think there is anything I myself was handling alone so this shouldn't be a problem. If it is, please let me know and I will wrap things up with regards to my input. I hope to return at some point when I am sure my involvement is a net positive.-- Mark Just ask! 05:46, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
(Mostly @ Steven Zhang: but ultimately to everyone.) Re: the removal of the opening statement sections and the corresponding change of the instruction line after the "X discussion" subhead to "Please keep discussion to a minimum before being opened by a volunteer. Continue on article talk page if necessary."
No one, disputants or volunteers, knows what to do. That instruction line discourages the parties other than the listing party from responding, but if no one responds then a volunteer doesn't have anything to do.
I can't speak for anyone other than me, but I'm not willing to drop a "Welcome to DRN, this discussion is open" message onto a listing, raise hopes that I'm going to take the dispute, and get listed in the status box as the volunteer on the dispute until I see what the other listed parties have to say about it. There are some kinds of disputes which I just don't care to take (and, indeed, there are several of those kinds sitting idle on the mainpage right now). The simplest remedy would be to change that introduction line to something like: "Parties other than the listing party should feel free to state their positions, but please avoid responding to one another's statements before discussion is opened by a volunteer. Continue on article talk page if necessary." I was just going to boldly do that, but I don't have the coding skills to figure out how to do it.
Yes, that raises the specter of the "close because everyone's not answered and it's stale" issue, but without that or some other fix there are going to be cases which just sit here because no one wants to take them before they know what's going on. We're also seeing cases where no volunteer chimes in and the discussion has simply moved from the article talk page to here and is proceeding with no volunteer's intervention. That's not at all a good thing and risks DRN getting the reputation as "just another dramaboard". It ordinarily didn't happen with the opening statement setup because disputants understood that they shouldn't be responding to one another. Once again, I don't know about everyone else but I'm not willing to step in and tell them to stop the discussion in a case that I'm not willing to generally take on because to do so would unfairly raise the expectations of the disputants and would make it less likely that some other volunteer would take the case when they see a volunteer already listed in the case status form. And that problem is going to remain even if we change the instruction line. I'm strongly in favor of going back to the opening statements and "please do not use this for discussing the dispute prior to a volunteer opening the thread for comments - continue discussing the issues on the article talk page if necessary" format.
Regards, TransporterMan ( TALK) 14:51, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
I've written this tldr advice guide to which to point editors when I close a request for insufficient discussion. Anyone else who wishes to use it is welcome to do so. Best regards, your friendly neighborhood TransporterMan ( TALK) 19:32, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
How come the Ghost in the Shell DRN isn't in the big navbox thing?— Ryulong ( 琉竜) 19:29, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
I've closed the Ghost in the Shell DRN subpage as we've gone 24 hours beyond the 24 given by Transporterman. I followed the reccomendations for closing and intend to archive the subpage in 48 hours from now so that we're truly done with it. Hasteur ( talk) 17:22, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
"DRN:2008 Mumbai attacks#Recent_dispute_about_allegation" closed only in 7 days, it seems volunteer are not refering to discussion on article talk page where involved usres have agreed that they will not participate and DRN open for independent users. It should be re-open and volunteers should refer standard procedure for keeping the dispute open for at least 30 days-- Ali aff ( talk) 18:56, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
Thanks! I initially thought that uninvolved contributors will review the article talk page discussion and will participate to resolve the dispute. Anyway, can you please reopen the DRN so that I can get a chance to do it in a right way.-- Ali aff ( talk) 06:29, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
I want this fact to be included in the topic or article. DRN was closed prematurely. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.190.150.100 ( talk) 12:00, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
I'm recused on that one for several different reasons, so someone else is going to have to catch 'em all. Best regards, TransporterMan ( TALK) 20:08, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
Hi all,
I spoke with Jimmy about MedCom at Wikimania (and prior to that via email) and have started a discussion on his talk page. You can find it here. You are welcome to comment. Regards, Steven Zhang Help resolve disputes! 04:15, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
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Hello! I'm having a dispute with a user named Beaconboof ( https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=User:Beaconboof&action=edit&redlink=1 ). I've sent them a message. I've also started a discussion on the 'Talk' page of the Sheila Carter article but they've ignored it all. /info/en/?search=Talk:Sheila_Carter It's an article regarding a fictional character named Sheila Carter. The problem is Beaconboof, at some point, filled the latter part of the article as well as the lead & the infobox with viewers speculation, questioning and fans wishes without discussing it at all! I do not always monitor that article, that's why I only very recently found out. All I want is the article to be unbiased, objective and simply resume storylines the way they've played out onscreen.
- 2. In the following scene, the real Sheila was seen at a plastic surgeon's asking him to make her look like a person on a photograph she handed him. Several months later, she came back looking exactly like Phyllis Summers. Actress Michelle Stafford confirmed several times the character she portrayed was Sheila Carter, so did former executive producer and head writer Lynn Marie Latham. Sheila as Phyllis kept acting like the old Sheila and also remembered stuff only the old Sheila and a few others did (taking pictures of Lauren & Brad). Lauren ended up shooting Sheila in self-defense. An autopsy showed it's truly Sheila that got shot. - 3. Years later, Sheila's never-before heard of sister, Sarah Smythe, showed up in town looking exactly like Lauren Fenmore after cosmetic surgery. Sarah confirmed several times her sister Sheila truly did have surgery to look like Phyllis. Sarah said Phyllis made her think of Sheila. Sarah showed Lauren a picture of herself and Sheila before their surgeries. Sarah also held both Lauren & Phyllis responsible for Sheila's death. As a matter of fact, Sarah tried to kill Phyllis twice but Lauren shot her in self-defense before she could kill Phyllis. Actress Tracey E. Bregman confirmed in an interview Sarah is indeed Sheila Carter's sister and that Daisy Carter & Ryder Callahan are Sheila's children. This is what played out onscreen and was confirmed by actors, execs and writers. The problem is storylines 2 & 3 weren't well received and accepted by quite some viewers and fans of the Sheila character. Some of them refuse to believe it's Sheila that was made to look like Phyllis and that Sarah was ever her sister. Some of them also refuse to believe Daisy & Ryder are truly Sheila's children with Tom Fisher. Beconboof is one of them and even replaced Sheila's name by the name Pheila in the latter part of the article. The name of the character is Sheila, not Pheila. This is when Becaonboof started making such changes without discussing it first: https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Sheila_Carter&diff=499017451&oldid=499017269
I'm trying to be fair! What did Beaconboof do? They've just reverted my edits... Once again, all I want is the article to be unbiased and present what happened onscreen and was confirmed by executive producers, writers and actors. I have taken the time to address concerns, presumptions & speculations by Beaconboof, fans and viewers of the soap opera in a special section of the article but that ain't enough for that editor. They absolutely want the intro, the latter part and the infobox of the article to reflect THEIR PERSONAL disbelief (or disdain) of elements from storylines from 2006 and onward... I've had to revert it again... One more thing, Beaconboof has recently edited the Daisy Carter article and kept implying Daisy is not truly Sheila Carter's daughter... What do you think? According to the 'Young & The Restless', Daisy IS Sheila's daughter. Period! Why take a fictional storyline so personally? I've just reverted their edits. That's exactly the issue I'm having with that editor; just because they do not like or accept a storyline, they keep editing articles in a biased manner.
Now, see this... /info/en/?search=Kevin_Fisher#Storylines /info/en/?search=Gloria_Abbott_Bardwell#Storylines /info/en/?search=Michael_Baldwin#Storylines /info/en/?search=Jill_Abbott_Fenmore#Storylines /info/en/?search=Lauren_Fenmore#Storylines I did not write any of the 5 articles above, and none of them use any reference in their 'Storylines' section at all! Soap opera articles on Wikipedia very often lack references in their 'Storylines' sections 'cause it's just viewers that watch the show then type in what they saw. Israell ( talk) 22:23, 6 September 2013 (UTC) |
Recently, a thread i've opened was archived without solution (see DRN (Kurdish separatism in Iran). Since the dispute has recently heated up, i would like to return it for discussion and ask more attention to the issue. Can i do that? Greyshark09 ( talk) 17:06, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
Editors who work in dispute resolution may be interested in the RfC about RfC/U at Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)#Clarification of the rules. Thanks. -- Tryptofish ( talk) 22:22, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
(This is a repeat of an earlier notice.) Since March 2013, various individual members of the Arbitration Committee have been reviewing the existing Discretionary sanctions process, with a view to (i) simplifying its operation and (ii) updating its procedures to reflect various clarification and amendment requests. An updated draft of the procedure is available for scrutiny and discussion here. AGK [•] 16:50, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
There is a policy change being voted upon by the members of the Mediation Committee here which, if it passes, will allow that committee to consider taking cases which have not first passed through some other form of dispute resolution, though MedCom will retain a extensive talk page discussion prerequisite as we have here at DRN. The proposal allows the committee to decline cases which they feel would benefit from DR at a lower level. If the proposal does pass, we here at DRN should probably reconsider making quick referrals of complex or multiparty matters to MedCom, rather than spending substantial time on them here. What "quick referrals" means needs to be worked out, but in keeping with the founding purposes of DRN I think that it ought to include the possibility of immediate referral without any attempt at DR here (and perhaps even going so far as having a DRN volunteer list it at MedCom). I do not, however, believe that such "bare" referrals should be mandatory upon DRN volunteers. Thoughts? Best regards, TransporterMan ( TALK) 15:26, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
The talk page of the filing editor indicates that this user is editing from the Department of Homeland Security. They have also filed an AN/I complaint against an editor involved. The discussion on the article talk page does appear to be little more than incivility accusations from the IP editor against the registered editor being complained about at AN/I. I suggest this request be closed as no extensive discussion and suggest that the IP editor resolve the AN/I before they attempt to file here again. One venue at a time. I would also note that the IP editor may have a COI on the subject making it inappropriate for them to be editing the article in question.-- Mark Miller ( talk) 20:14, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
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Respected Sir i never with drew from the dispute resolution filed by me. I only mentioned i have no stamina left to bear insults and degrading of the subject. I demand justice Sir. Further instead of giving justice the people involved in the dispute had started Vendetta. All sections of talk page has gone to archives. Further they have started raising new issues against the subject after that dispute, which they them self accepted initially. I invite you to visit the article Hridayeshwar Singh Bhati for same The dispute filed by me was "Talk page of the article "Hridayeshwar Singh Bhati", Talk page of the editors themselves in discussion about the subject of the article, NeilN, Yunshui, Ihardlythinkso, Myself, Subject." I beg you and feel sorry if any language of mine was considered as with drawing of dispute Regards Sarower Sigh Bhati ( talk) 07:20, 21 September 2013 (UTC)
I'd like to file a request for dispute resolution but i don't understand what to do. Timothy.lucas.jaeger ( talk) 16:04, 21 September 2013 (UTC)
I don't think that the bot is handling notifications properly at the moment. Eg: I got no notification of this or of this but did get notice of this. In addition, should it be part of the process that a general notification is inserted on the article talk page? In part, just in case someone accidentally omits a participant from the list? - Sitush ( talk) 17:17, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
Hi;
I've taken up the Palestinian War case for teh purpose of resolving the dispute (the one with Ykantor and Pluto2012 as parties). I took it up last night, and, AFAIK, I am still listed as a volunteer in the "active" list. However, the bot hasn't updated the table to show that the case is open and is being attended to by a volunteer. -- The Historian ( talk) 20:29, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
Hi, I was looking through the DRN list, and noticed that there is one at the bottom (add searchmothers.com to list of social networking websites) which was closed due to lack of witnesses. The username of the person that posted the request was Smatteo, which is presumably the same S.Matteo who is the editor-slash-maybe-owner of SearchMothers.com -- in other words, WP:COI. Looking at the current article, there is one other social-networking-just-for-moms website in the list, presumably a competitor of SearchMothers, which is called CafeMom. It has an article, which is marked as written-like-an-advert, but the cites are valid albeit old 2008/2009 stuff, plus some notable-I-guess recent awards -- couple WSJ, one NYT, couple ABC (mostly because one of the CafeMom founders used to be on Melrose Place television series methinks). So, my question is, Smatteo is redlinked, which means when I visited their page, I got nada. How do I contact them, to ask if they have any valid cites, and explain WP:COI to them? Please contact me via my talkpage, in case I forget to check back here. Thanks. 74.192.84.101 ( talk) 16:07, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
do any of the regulars here want to weigh in on whether they think there is any possibility that bringing this mess Talk:Rupert_Sheldrake#Discussion:_theory_.2F_hypothesis_.2F_concept here under a third party would be able to bring a resolution? -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 02:16, 13 October 2013 (UTC)
The Mediation Committee (of which I am a member, but I am not speaking here as their spokesperson) has in the past only accepted cases for formal mediation which have previously undergone some lower level of dispute resolution at Third Opinion or here at DRN. They have in the last few days amended that policy to eliminate the prior-DR requirement, but to only require extensive article talk page discussion. They have also added a process by which the committee can decline to hear such cases and refer them back to 3O or DRN if they believe lower-level DR would be beneficial before being handled at MedCom. They also still have a policy which will allow cases to be rejected there if a majority of the disputants do not agree to mediation or if major viewpoints among the disputants will not be represented in the mediation.
What does this mean for DRN? In my opinion, all DRN volunteers should give serious consideration to closing cases and quickly referring them to MedCom if they are particularly complex (either in topic or in number of participants) and if enough disputants weigh in here that it looks like the case would be accepted by MedCom, but let me quickly add that this should always be a discretionary decision left up to the individual volunteer who reviews a pending case here. What does "quickly" mean? It can mean referring a case before any substantial action is taken by a volunteer here, but it can also mean referring a case after the discussion here has started and it becomes apparent that more serious help is needed than the volunteer wishes to give or feels is appropriate here. What does "refer" mean? Again, I think that this should be left up to the individual volunteer, but it can mean either just making a recommendation to the disputants at the time of closing or can even mean filing the case as MedCom on behalf of the disputants. In either case, should you ask the disputants whether or not they want to close up shop here and move on to mediation? Not necessarily, but probably in most cases, depending on what's best for that particular dispute and for the encyclopedia.
That's my two cents and what I'm going to do. Best regards, TransporterMan ( TALK) 14:46, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
Proposal by AGK [cross-posted on the MedCom Policy talk page here]: If the DRN volunteer's assessment is that no further assistance is possible and formal mediation would be a more suitable method of DR, the dispute could be referred directly to [the Mediation Committee] under the referrals system without violating the terms of the referral system. This could happen immediately after the dispute is brought to DRN, or after some attempt is made at actually resolving the dispute. The language of the terms of the referral system is deliberately vague. AGK [•] 09:26, 7 October 2013 (UTC)
Hi all,
The backlog at DRN has become rather severe. We really need to clear this backlog before we can accept more cases. To this effect, I'm temporarily going to remove the add new request button from the header, instead pointing folk to MedCom (which has changed their policy recently to allow cases be filed there without prior DR). I'm also going to work on some recognition and rewards. I think at times DR is a thankless task and want to the hard work everyone does more rewarding. @ TransporterMan:, fyi. Steven Zhang ( talk) 22:01, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
Perhaps it's me, but I'm seeing very little involvement from the large list of DRN volunteers. Are volunteers still interested in helping resolve disputes or is it time to retire the board and refer disputes elsewhere? Hasteur ( talk) 17:13, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
It is not you Hasteur. There is less involvement here than ever before and I can only speak for myself for the reasons I no longer volunteer my time here. For one, Doniago is correct when they say: "I'll say the idea of getting involved can be a bit intimidating, especially as often the discussions I'm seeing come up revolve around subject matter that I know little about" People feel that if they don't know the subject they shouldn't even bother...that is a terrible way to think, but is the main way that I see the discussions go. That may work, but my experience is, when you revolve to much around the subject and not resolution the discussions get bogged down to minutia of the subject itself and tend to wander away from the goal of resolving the dispute. Since we deal with content issues here many feel if hey don't understand the subject matter they should stay out of the discussion. That is far from true. Since our goal as volunteers is to guide the participants to a resolution, many times one need only read through the discussion to see where and what the dispute centers on. It really doesn't take much to understand the issues at hand only and not worry about being knowledgeable about the subject in general. The board has a great deal of other issues, but they are still being looked at. Some tweeks have been made and discussions that changed one policy that allows editors to go straight to Med Com and just skip this board.
DR/N is not the only board to use any editor who wishes to be a volunteer, but we may have tried to be more than we really are. I mean no disrespect to Steven Zhang, but it seems that the biggest hurdle is a format that attracts volunteers and not one that results in chasing them off with conflicts that arise from the board itself, regardless of the merits of such disputes. I no longer volunteer here only because the board lacks real support from administration. Far too often I see participants challenge the volunteers. To be honest I can't help but wonder if this should simple become a subpage of AN/I and be handled within that exact same formatting and frame work. I don't think that will happen or if that is even a suggestion that itself would work...just that it seems to be the formatting of all the other boards. I truly think it is time to think about this becoming more like RS/N, AN/I etc. Just do away with everything and go back to a simple discussion board where editors just start new threads and anyone can help form a consensus. I don't know if that will gain more attention from others, but it seems to be what works, and this seems to be what is not working. How long before we acknowledge that?-- Mark Miller ( talk) 00:13, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
The number of volunteers at any time comes and goes. There are never very many (the same is true at 3O, by the way). If you'll look at the content boards which preceded this one, the Content Noticeboard and MedCab, there was no more participation by volunteers there than there is here. Since the Wikipedia community has consistently rejected, on several different occasions, content arbitration (i.e. giving anyone the right to make binding decisions on content), the most that can be done is what is already being done at 3O, DRN, and MedCom: giving advice and guidance from a neutral position or, in other words, some form of mediation. The closest thing the community has to content arbitration is RfC, and that fails more often than it succeeds for the same reason that DRN cases often fail: not enough third party participation. That is always going to be a chronic problem in this encyclopedia based around the Wiki/consensus ideal. The other problem in having enough volunteers here and at the other DR forums is that many people come here who are not particularly content-creation oriented but who want to participate in good faith Wikipedia. Of those folks, I'd say about a third start creating or editing content, about a third just give up and leave Wikipedia, and about a third become (or begin to work on becoming and start helping in admin-like forums such as AFD or ArbCom clerking or SPI clerking) administrators; in all three cases they stop doing DR; only a very small number stay with DR. DRN has a place and purpose. It will never be the be-all-and-end-all because DR can never work except in a minority of cases. I have more to say, but I have to jump off to do some RW stuff. Best regards, TransporterMan ( TALK) 16:39, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
Some responses to specific comments:
Best regards, TransporterMan ( TALK) 16:08, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
Perhaps it's my mind going but I seem to recall something to the effect that on average, a DRN thread is only supposed to last 7 days. I know I specialized in the sub-field of taking forceful action on DRN disputed that have gone beyond that point, but when DRN threads are sitting 7 days with all the disputant statements in, but no response from DRN volunteers. What's up with that? Hasteur ( talk) 21:14, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
Dear all;
It is with great sadness that I must inform you that I have come to the decision that I will have to withdraw - either partially or completely - from DRN, and possibly Wikipedia in its entirety. This is because of having just started University, and the impending deadlines, I therefore have less time than I would like to devote to other projects. It is my intention to only "partially" withdraw, and return in the Summer, to then go into hiatus again the following October - hence the reason why I have changed to become the coordinator for July-August. During my hiatuses, I do not intend to do much more than read, keep up to date with some areas of interest, make small edits and keep up with happenings on my talkpage - I have no intention in getting involved in anything nearly as big as the recent arbitration case on Bradley Manning. I do not think I need go as far as placing "retired" on my userpage, or asking to vanish completely.
My time in this project has been a joy, and I look forward to re-joining you all in the summer, when I assume my role as volunteer coordinator for July-August. Normal 0 false false false EN-GB X-NONE X-NONE
-- The Historian ( talk) 18:53, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
Is it possible to establish a "light DRN" too? It is helpful for cases where the problem is a "petit crime" e.g :
For this kind of DRN, the volunteer is able to decide quickly and users may start to respect the rules. Ykantor ( talk) 20:23, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
I filed a dispute because an FA that I wrote was being chopped up. I had a death in the family and had been off line for several days and I come back to find the dispute removed and alterations to the article have been made. One of the people who wanted to slice and dice the article nominated it for FA removal (or whatever it is called) and that review is going on now, but I do not know what happened in the dispute. Where it is?-- Ishtar456 ( talk) 00:23, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
I've closed out the final 2 disputes I was chairing during the burst of activity. I'm going to be on vacation soon so I'm leaving it to the rest of the volunteers to keep the wheels on the cart. Try to not let disputes get to the "Needs a DRN volunteer attention" state please. Hasteur ( talk) 17:17, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
to Guy Macon: Thank you for the title clarification. However, since my past DRNs has expired unsolved, I try to limit and simplify the DRN purpose, in order to attract a volunteer. Actually, this DRN need no linking to an article, and it can be decided without digging inside articles or talk pages.
I will appreciate it if you advice me how to distance this DRN from the articles, so that a volunteer may hopefully choose this simple DRN. Thanks Ykantor ( talk) 18:30, 26 October 2013 (UTC)
I have recused myself from 1948 Palestine war. If any other volunteer cares to take it up, please do so. Best regards, TransporterMan ( TALK) 15:02, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
At the Atheism case, the person who filed the case listed themselves as the DR volunteer handling the case. What's the best way to fix this so the bot goes back to listing "no volunteer yet"? -- Guy Macon ( talk) 17:54, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
I have some serious concerns regarding the way the Flight deck dispute resolution [2] process is being conducted by User:Wiki-Impartial, and am raising it here to get input from others familiar with the process. From the start, it appeared that those involved were suggesting that it was as much a behavioural issue as a content disupute, and unfortunately, despite my repeated efforts there [3] [4] to ensure that the discussion remained centred around content matters, Wiki-Impartial seems intent on bringing behavioural issues to the fore - asking for diffs for edit-warring etc. Not only is this contrary to the purpose of this noticeboard, and pointless since no action can be taken here regarding such matters anyway, but it seems certain to inflame the debate, and reduce the possibility of a satisfactory resolution of the content dispute to almost zero. Frankly, I very much doubt that Wiki-Impartial has either the experience or the knowledge of Wikipedia policy to assist in this case, and accordingly I suggest that Wiki-Impartial should withdraw from the discussion, and let someone with more experience take over. AndyTheGrump ( talk) 16:05, 12 November 2013 (UTC)
WP:5TILDES says:
"Typing five tildes will convert to a date stamp with the current date and time, without adding your signature ... when requesting assistance from the Dispute Resolution Noticeboard the requested format for signing is the five tilde signature to slightly help improve neutrality from the responding DRN member."
Is this correct? -- Guy Macon ( talk) 21:13, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
Cabe6403 has informed me that he will be unable to take on the December, 2013-January, 2014, coordinator position due to real world obligations. This slot is now open for another volunteer to take, but if no one takes it, I will be happy to carry on for two more months. If you wish to take it, please sign up at Wikipedia:Dispute resolution noticeboard/Co-ordinator#December.2C 2013-January.2C 2014 — TransporterMan ( TALK) 20:41, 18 November 2013 (UTC) (current coordinator)
A person, believed to be Livelikemusic had been redirecting Sorry I'm Late (Cher Lloyd album) to the main Cher Lloyd page. I don't get why he wants to do that, as next time we still need to keep that page when Lloyd comes up with a new album. I told that user to stop, but then he/she after that wrote on my talk page to tell me to stop and purposely deleted 2 of my photos which I had uploaded to Wikipedia when I did say where the photo is from, I did add tags, etc. I just find this user annoying. Can someone help me? Thanks. -- 218.186.153.21 ( talk) 06:13, 28 November 2013 (UTC) My real user is User:Nahnah4 ( talk), but now I am using it as an IP address as I cannot log in into Wikipedia using this computer. Thanks!
Could another volunteer take a look at this one? I don't think the current issues are appropriate to address at DRN; they involve establishing naming conventions and the like. Additionally, an editor has expressed concern about a comment I made earlier; while I disagree with their views on the comment, it would probably be more appropriate for someone else to close this. — Theodore! ( talk) ( contribs) 12:44, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
I do not know what our guidelines say about this situation or if there is any particular reason to be concerned but, I feel it should at least be mentioned that a recent request on the board was brought here by an editor who has declared their paid advocacy editing as well as being the meat puppet of the Senator himself. In the actual dispute, the editor admits he was filing this request on behalf of the senator. I feel that, should the request come back to this board, it be declined for the reasoning that it puts the subject at an un-fair advantage to have his paid communications director placing requests on this board for them. I would also like to propose that some guideline be added to counter the growing situation of paid, advocacy, meat puppets attempting to edit Wikipedia and use our noticeboard in a manner I feel is inconsistent with Wikipedia policy and guidelines. Thoughts?-- Mark Miller ( talk) 05:29, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
My approach tends to be inclusive rather than defensive. If someone comes to the project and wants to work within the system and is willing to follow applicable procedures and guidelines and proceed in a good faith manner, than we should welcome them. And as others have stated, in a content forum, like we have here at DRN, we focus on the edits (content) not on the editor (behavior or real life attributes).-- — Keithbob • Talk • 18:10, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
The last of the three COI policy change proposals has now failed. Until the larger community decides to move away from its existing COI policy, I think that we should continue to regard COI as a conduct matter outside the purview of DRN (or of content DR of any kind). We have an established practice of closing listings, under the pending in another forum provision, which includes disputes pending at conduct resolution forums. Anyone who sees a listing here in which they believe that a COI issue exists of such magnitude that it needs a trip to ANI or maybe even COIN is free to list it there and note here that it's pending there and ought to be closed here, or even just close it here if appropriate for them to do so. Regards, TransporterMan ( TALK) 21:18, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
Hey all,
Just a quick hello - life has been hectic lately but I wanted to thank everyone for their hard work over the last few months in keeping DRN going strong. My time should hopefully become a bit freer in the coming month so I'll be around a little bit more. Everyone have a great Christmas :) Steven Zhang ( talk) 13:09, 25 December 2013 (UTC)
Um am I for the Santa and account thing? WWEUndertakerfan ( talk) 03:46, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
This discussion Criticisms of Relativity is being marked by the bot as Open Discussion, but there has been no discussion and the two participants are eagerly awaiting a moderator. Any volunteers?-- — Keithbob • Talk • 19:38, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
@ TransporterMan: Hi, at the top of the DRN page it says one of the coordinator's duties is to collect the monthly metrics. Can you clue me in on this? Thanks!-- — Keithbob • Talk • 01:18, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
There are currently three disputes without moderators, and I am currently involved in three or four, so I'm backed up. Are there any volunteers? -- MrScorch6200 ( t c) 19:46, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
I'm not convinced that there's anything to do. It doesn't appear to me that O'Toole, Brownlee, or Singh are ripe for opening as all are missing opening comments from participants. Moreover, I'm tempted to close Singh due to the RfC, but due to CONLIMITED I'm not sure that it has any weight except as an opinion poll of the members of the project where it's pending; it might, nonetheless, give everyone a chance to work out a solution. Brownlee is probably going to fail, since the other editor has been given notice and has edited since it was posted and has not responded. O'Toole appears to have agreement on a solution between the three people who have weighed in so far and their primary opponents are IP editors who have not yet joined in. I'll ask a clarifying question at O'Toole to see where we are. Best regards, TransporterMan ( TALK) 20:46, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
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It appears that discussions needing to be referred to another noticeboard use two templates. I am copying the exact template of a real discussion transferred from the RS Noticeboard to the External Links Noticeboard. The first template is placed on the thread at the original board:
{{dmt|Wikipedia:External links/Noticeboard#Personal_websites_of_disaffected_members_of_religious_groups}}
produces:
Then the second template is placed on the transferred discussion at the target noticeboard location with the discussion copy pasted into a new section:
{{dmf|Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard#External_Links}}
produces:
Of course...it could be either placement first I suppose. Now, I went ahead and attributed in the edit summary, however these seem to be attribution tags in themselves.-- Mark Just ask! WER TEA DR/N 03:29, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
Recusing from request. Interactions with Canoe1967.-- Mark Just ask! WER TEA DR/N 21:26, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
Hi all. I've implemented the change to the volunteer list layout. Can you all please add yourself back on by going to this page and follow the instructions. It's largely designed to make us a bit more human. I've also implemented the co-ordinator role, and I think it best to lead by example, so I will do the first 2 months, ending 31 Sept. Please add yourself on when possible. Off to bed. Exhausted. Steven Zhang Help resolve disputes! 17:25, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
All cases that I have contributed to or taken on will need another volunteer. Don't think there is anything I myself was handling alone so this shouldn't be a problem. If it is, please let me know and I will wrap things up with regards to my input. I hope to return at some point when I am sure my involvement is a net positive.-- Mark Just ask! 05:46, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
(Mostly @ Steven Zhang: but ultimately to everyone.) Re: the removal of the opening statement sections and the corresponding change of the instruction line after the "X discussion" subhead to "Please keep discussion to a minimum before being opened by a volunteer. Continue on article talk page if necessary."
No one, disputants or volunteers, knows what to do. That instruction line discourages the parties other than the listing party from responding, but if no one responds then a volunteer doesn't have anything to do.
I can't speak for anyone other than me, but I'm not willing to drop a "Welcome to DRN, this discussion is open" message onto a listing, raise hopes that I'm going to take the dispute, and get listed in the status box as the volunteer on the dispute until I see what the other listed parties have to say about it. There are some kinds of disputes which I just don't care to take (and, indeed, there are several of those kinds sitting idle on the mainpage right now). The simplest remedy would be to change that introduction line to something like: "Parties other than the listing party should feel free to state their positions, but please avoid responding to one another's statements before discussion is opened by a volunteer. Continue on article talk page if necessary." I was just going to boldly do that, but I don't have the coding skills to figure out how to do it.
Yes, that raises the specter of the "close because everyone's not answered and it's stale" issue, but without that or some other fix there are going to be cases which just sit here because no one wants to take them before they know what's going on. We're also seeing cases where no volunteer chimes in and the discussion has simply moved from the article talk page to here and is proceeding with no volunteer's intervention. That's not at all a good thing and risks DRN getting the reputation as "just another dramaboard". It ordinarily didn't happen with the opening statement setup because disputants understood that they shouldn't be responding to one another. Once again, I don't know about everyone else but I'm not willing to step in and tell them to stop the discussion in a case that I'm not willing to generally take on because to do so would unfairly raise the expectations of the disputants and would make it less likely that some other volunteer would take the case when they see a volunteer already listed in the case status form. And that problem is going to remain even if we change the instruction line. I'm strongly in favor of going back to the opening statements and "please do not use this for discussing the dispute prior to a volunteer opening the thread for comments - continue discussing the issues on the article talk page if necessary" format.
Regards, TransporterMan ( TALK) 14:51, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
I've written this tldr advice guide to which to point editors when I close a request for insufficient discussion. Anyone else who wishes to use it is welcome to do so. Best regards, your friendly neighborhood TransporterMan ( TALK) 19:32, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
How come the Ghost in the Shell DRN isn't in the big navbox thing?— Ryulong ( 琉竜) 19:29, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
I've closed the Ghost in the Shell DRN subpage as we've gone 24 hours beyond the 24 given by Transporterman. I followed the reccomendations for closing and intend to archive the subpage in 48 hours from now so that we're truly done with it. Hasteur ( talk) 17:22, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
"DRN:2008 Mumbai attacks#Recent_dispute_about_allegation" closed only in 7 days, it seems volunteer are not refering to discussion on article talk page where involved usres have agreed that they will not participate and DRN open for independent users. It should be re-open and volunteers should refer standard procedure for keeping the dispute open for at least 30 days-- Ali aff ( talk) 18:56, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
Thanks! I initially thought that uninvolved contributors will review the article talk page discussion and will participate to resolve the dispute. Anyway, can you please reopen the DRN so that I can get a chance to do it in a right way.-- Ali aff ( talk) 06:29, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
I want this fact to be included in the topic or article. DRN was closed prematurely. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.190.150.100 ( talk) 12:00, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
I'm recused on that one for several different reasons, so someone else is going to have to catch 'em all. Best regards, TransporterMan ( TALK) 20:08, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
Hi all,
I spoke with Jimmy about MedCom at Wikimania (and prior to that via email) and have started a discussion on his talk page. You can find it here. You are welcome to comment. Regards, Steven Zhang Help resolve disputes! 04:15, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
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Hello! I'm having a dispute with a user named Beaconboof ( https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=User:Beaconboof&action=edit&redlink=1 ). I've sent them a message. I've also started a discussion on the 'Talk' page of the Sheila Carter article but they've ignored it all. /info/en/?search=Talk:Sheila_Carter It's an article regarding a fictional character named Sheila Carter. The problem is Beaconboof, at some point, filled the latter part of the article as well as the lead & the infobox with viewers speculation, questioning and fans wishes without discussing it at all! I do not always monitor that article, that's why I only very recently found out. All I want is the article to be unbiased, objective and simply resume storylines the way they've played out onscreen.
- 2. In the following scene, the real Sheila was seen at a plastic surgeon's asking him to make her look like a person on a photograph she handed him. Several months later, she came back looking exactly like Phyllis Summers. Actress Michelle Stafford confirmed several times the character she portrayed was Sheila Carter, so did former executive producer and head writer Lynn Marie Latham. Sheila as Phyllis kept acting like the old Sheila and also remembered stuff only the old Sheila and a few others did (taking pictures of Lauren & Brad). Lauren ended up shooting Sheila in self-defense. An autopsy showed it's truly Sheila that got shot. - 3. Years later, Sheila's never-before heard of sister, Sarah Smythe, showed up in town looking exactly like Lauren Fenmore after cosmetic surgery. Sarah confirmed several times her sister Sheila truly did have surgery to look like Phyllis. Sarah said Phyllis made her think of Sheila. Sarah showed Lauren a picture of herself and Sheila before their surgeries. Sarah also held both Lauren & Phyllis responsible for Sheila's death. As a matter of fact, Sarah tried to kill Phyllis twice but Lauren shot her in self-defense before she could kill Phyllis. Actress Tracey E. Bregman confirmed in an interview Sarah is indeed Sheila Carter's sister and that Daisy Carter & Ryder Callahan are Sheila's children. This is what played out onscreen and was confirmed by actors, execs and writers. The problem is storylines 2 & 3 weren't well received and accepted by quite some viewers and fans of the Sheila character. Some of them refuse to believe it's Sheila that was made to look like Phyllis and that Sarah was ever her sister. Some of them also refuse to believe Daisy & Ryder are truly Sheila's children with Tom Fisher. Beconboof is one of them and even replaced Sheila's name by the name Pheila in the latter part of the article. The name of the character is Sheila, not Pheila. This is when Becaonboof started making such changes without discussing it first: https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Sheila_Carter&diff=499017451&oldid=499017269
I'm trying to be fair! What did Beaconboof do? They've just reverted my edits... Once again, all I want is the article to be unbiased and present what happened onscreen and was confirmed by executive producers, writers and actors. I have taken the time to address concerns, presumptions & speculations by Beaconboof, fans and viewers of the soap opera in a special section of the article but that ain't enough for that editor. They absolutely want the intro, the latter part and the infobox of the article to reflect THEIR PERSONAL disbelief (or disdain) of elements from storylines from 2006 and onward... I've had to revert it again... One more thing, Beaconboof has recently edited the Daisy Carter article and kept implying Daisy is not truly Sheila Carter's daughter... What do you think? According to the 'Young & The Restless', Daisy IS Sheila's daughter. Period! Why take a fictional storyline so personally? I've just reverted their edits. That's exactly the issue I'm having with that editor; just because they do not like or accept a storyline, they keep editing articles in a biased manner.
Now, see this... /info/en/?search=Kevin_Fisher#Storylines /info/en/?search=Gloria_Abbott_Bardwell#Storylines /info/en/?search=Michael_Baldwin#Storylines /info/en/?search=Jill_Abbott_Fenmore#Storylines /info/en/?search=Lauren_Fenmore#Storylines I did not write any of the 5 articles above, and none of them use any reference in their 'Storylines' section at all! Soap opera articles on Wikipedia very often lack references in their 'Storylines' sections 'cause it's just viewers that watch the show then type in what they saw. Israell ( talk) 22:23, 6 September 2013 (UTC) |
Recently, a thread i've opened was archived without solution (see DRN (Kurdish separatism in Iran). Since the dispute has recently heated up, i would like to return it for discussion and ask more attention to the issue. Can i do that? Greyshark09 ( talk) 17:06, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
Editors who work in dispute resolution may be interested in the RfC about RfC/U at Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)#Clarification of the rules. Thanks. -- Tryptofish ( talk) 22:22, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
(This is a repeat of an earlier notice.) Since March 2013, various individual members of the Arbitration Committee have been reviewing the existing Discretionary sanctions process, with a view to (i) simplifying its operation and (ii) updating its procedures to reflect various clarification and amendment requests. An updated draft of the procedure is available for scrutiny and discussion here. AGK [•] 16:50, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
There is a policy change being voted upon by the members of the Mediation Committee here which, if it passes, will allow that committee to consider taking cases which have not first passed through some other form of dispute resolution, though MedCom will retain a extensive talk page discussion prerequisite as we have here at DRN. The proposal allows the committee to decline cases which they feel would benefit from DR at a lower level. If the proposal does pass, we here at DRN should probably reconsider making quick referrals of complex or multiparty matters to MedCom, rather than spending substantial time on them here. What "quick referrals" means needs to be worked out, but in keeping with the founding purposes of DRN I think that it ought to include the possibility of immediate referral without any attempt at DR here (and perhaps even going so far as having a DRN volunteer list it at MedCom). I do not, however, believe that such "bare" referrals should be mandatory upon DRN volunteers. Thoughts? Best regards, TransporterMan ( TALK) 15:26, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
The talk page of the filing editor indicates that this user is editing from the Department of Homeland Security. They have also filed an AN/I complaint against an editor involved. The discussion on the article talk page does appear to be little more than incivility accusations from the IP editor against the registered editor being complained about at AN/I. I suggest this request be closed as no extensive discussion and suggest that the IP editor resolve the AN/I before they attempt to file here again. One venue at a time. I would also note that the IP editor may have a COI on the subject making it inappropriate for them to be editing the article in question.-- Mark Miller ( talk) 20:14, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
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Respected Sir i never with drew from the dispute resolution filed by me. I only mentioned i have no stamina left to bear insults and degrading of the subject. I demand justice Sir. Further instead of giving justice the people involved in the dispute had started Vendetta. All sections of talk page has gone to archives. Further they have started raising new issues against the subject after that dispute, which they them self accepted initially. I invite you to visit the article Hridayeshwar Singh Bhati for same The dispute filed by me was "Talk page of the article "Hridayeshwar Singh Bhati", Talk page of the editors themselves in discussion about the subject of the article, NeilN, Yunshui, Ihardlythinkso, Myself, Subject." I beg you and feel sorry if any language of mine was considered as with drawing of dispute Regards Sarower Sigh Bhati ( talk) 07:20, 21 September 2013 (UTC)
I'd like to file a request for dispute resolution but i don't understand what to do. Timothy.lucas.jaeger ( talk) 16:04, 21 September 2013 (UTC)
I don't think that the bot is handling notifications properly at the moment. Eg: I got no notification of this or of this but did get notice of this. In addition, should it be part of the process that a general notification is inserted on the article talk page? In part, just in case someone accidentally omits a participant from the list? - Sitush ( talk) 17:17, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
Hi;
I've taken up the Palestinian War case for teh purpose of resolving the dispute (the one with Ykantor and Pluto2012 as parties). I took it up last night, and, AFAIK, I am still listed as a volunteer in the "active" list. However, the bot hasn't updated the table to show that the case is open and is being attended to by a volunteer. -- The Historian ( talk) 20:29, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
Hi, I was looking through the DRN list, and noticed that there is one at the bottom (add searchmothers.com to list of social networking websites) which was closed due to lack of witnesses. The username of the person that posted the request was Smatteo, which is presumably the same S.Matteo who is the editor-slash-maybe-owner of SearchMothers.com -- in other words, WP:COI. Looking at the current article, there is one other social-networking-just-for-moms website in the list, presumably a competitor of SearchMothers, which is called CafeMom. It has an article, which is marked as written-like-an-advert, but the cites are valid albeit old 2008/2009 stuff, plus some notable-I-guess recent awards -- couple WSJ, one NYT, couple ABC (mostly because one of the CafeMom founders used to be on Melrose Place television series methinks). So, my question is, Smatteo is redlinked, which means when I visited their page, I got nada. How do I contact them, to ask if they have any valid cites, and explain WP:COI to them? Please contact me via my talkpage, in case I forget to check back here. Thanks. 74.192.84.101 ( talk) 16:07, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
do any of the regulars here want to weigh in on whether they think there is any possibility that bringing this mess Talk:Rupert_Sheldrake#Discussion:_theory_.2F_hypothesis_.2F_concept here under a third party would be able to bring a resolution? -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 02:16, 13 October 2013 (UTC)
The Mediation Committee (of which I am a member, but I am not speaking here as their spokesperson) has in the past only accepted cases for formal mediation which have previously undergone some lower level of dispute resolution at Third Opinion or here at DRN. They have in the last few days amended that policy to eliminate the prior-DR requirement, but to only require extensive article talk page discussion. They have also added a process by which the committee can decline to hear such cases and refer them back to 3O or DRN if they believe lower-level DR would be beneficial before being handled at MedCom. They also still have a policy which will allow cases to be rejected there if a majority of the disputants do not agree to mediation or if major viewpoints among the disputants will not be represented in the mediation.
What does this mean for DRN? In my opinion, all DRN volunteers should give serious consideration to closing cases and quickly referring them to MedCom if they are particularly complex (either in topic or in number of participants) and if enough disputants weigh in here that it looks like the case would be accepted by MedCom, but let me quickly add that this should always be a discretionary decision left up to the individual volunteer who reviews a pending case here. What does "quickly" mean? It can mean referring a case before any substantial action is taken by a volunteer here, but it can also mean referring a case after the discussion here has started and it becomes apparent that more serious help is needed than the volunteer wishes to give or feels is appropriate here. What does "refer" mean? Again, I think that this should be left up to the individual volunteer, but it can mean either just making a recommendation to the disputants at the time of closing or can even mean filing the case as MedCom on behalf of the disputants. In either case, should you ask the disputants whether or not they want to close up shop here and move on to mediation? Not necessarily, but probably in most cases, depending on what's best for that particular dispute and for the encyclopedia.
That's my two cents and what I'm going to do. Best regards, TransporterMan ( TALK) 14:46, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
Proposal by AGK [cross-posted on the MedCom Policy talk page here]: If the DRN volunteer's assessment is that no further assistance is possible and formal mediation would be a more suitable method of DR, the dispute could be referred directly to [the Mediation Committee] under the referrals system without violating the terms of the referral system. This could happen immediately after the dispute is brought to DRN, or after some attempt is made at actually resolving the dispute. The language of the terms of the referral system is deliberately vague. AGK [•] 09:26, 7 October 2013 (UTC)
Hi all,
The backlog at DRN has become rather severe. We really need to clear this backlog before we can accept more cases. To this effect, I'm temporarily going to remove the add new request button from the header, instead pointing folk to MedCom (which has changed their policy recently to allow cases be filed there without prior DR). I'm also going to work on some recognition and rewards. I think at times DR is a thankless task and want to the hard work everyone does more rewarding. @ TransporterMan:, fyi. Steven Zhang ( talk) 22:01, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
Perhaps it's me, but I'm seeing very little involvement from the large list of DRN volunteers. Are volunteers still interested in helping resolve disputes or is it time to retire the board and refer disputes elsewhere? Hasteur ( talk) 17:13, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
It is not you Hasteur. There is less involvement here than ever before and I can only speak for myself for the reasons I no longer volunteer my time here. For one, Doniago is correct when they say: "I'll say the idea of getting involved can be a bit intimidating, especially as often the discussions I'm seeing come up revolve around subject matter that I know little about" People feel that if they don't know the subject they shouldn't even bother...that is a terrible way to think, but is the main way that I see the discussions go. That may work, but my experience is, when you revolve to much around the subject and not resolution the discussions get bogged down to minutia of the subject itself and tend to wander away from the goal of resolving the dispute. Since we deal with content issues here many feel if hey don't understand the subject matter they should stay out of the discussion. That is far from true. Since our goal as volunteers is to guide the participants to a resolution, many times one need only read through the discussion to see where and what the dispute centers on. It really doesn't take much to understand the issues at hand only and not worry about being knowledgeable about the subject in general. The board has a great deal of other issues, but they are still being looked at. Some tweeks have been made and discussions that changed one policy that allows editors to go straight to Med Com and just skip this board.
DR/N is not the only board to use any editor who wishes to be a volunteer, but we may have tried to be more than we really are. I mean no disrespect to Steven Zhang, but it seems that the biggest hurdle is a format that attracts volunteers and not one that results in chasing them off with conflicts that arise from the board itself, regardless of the merits of such disputes. I no longer volunteer here only because the board lacks real support from administration. Far too often I see participants challenge the volunteers. To be honest I can't help but wonder if this should simple become a subpage of AN/I and be handled within that exact same formatting and frame work. I don't think that will happen or if that is even a suggestion that itself would work...just that it seems to be the formatting of all the other boards. I truly think it is time to think about this becoming more like RS/N, AN/I etc. Just do away with everything and go back to a simple discussion board where editors just start new threads and anyone can help form a consensus. I don't know if that will gain more attention from others, but it seems to be what works, and this seems to be what is not working. How long before we acknowledge that?-- Mark Miller ( talk) 00:13, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
The number of volunteers at any time comes and goes. There are never very many (the same is true at 3O, by the way). If you'll look at the content boards which preceded this one, the Content Noticeboard and MedCab, there was no more participation by volunteers there than there is here. Since the Wikipedia community has consistently rejected, on several different occasions, content arbitration (i.e. giving anyone the right to make binding decisions on content), the most that can be done is what is already being done at 3O, DRN, and MedCom: giving advice and guidance from a neutral position or, in other words, some form of mediation. The closest thing the community has to content arbitration is RfC, and that fails more often than it succeeds for the same reason that DRN cases often fail: not enough third party participation. That is always going to be a chronic problem in this encyclopedia based around the Wiki/consensus ideal. The other problem in having enough volunteers here and at the other DR forums is that many people come here who are not particularly content-creation oriented but who want to participate in good faith Wikipedia. Of those folks, I'd say about a third start creating or editing content, about a third just give up and leave Wikipedia, and about a third become (or begin to work on becoming and start helping in admin-like forums such as AFD or ArbCom clerking or SPI clerking) administrators; in all three cases they stop doing DR; only a very small number stay with DR. DRN has a place and purpose. It will never be the be-all-and-end-all because DR can never work except in a minority of cases. I have more to say, but I have to jump off to do some RW stuff. Best regards, TransporterMan ( TALK) 16:39, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
Some responses to specific comments:
Best regards, TransporterMan ( TALK) 16:08, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
Perhaps it's my mind going but I seem to recall something to the effect that on average, a DRN thread is only supposed to last 7 days. I know I specialized in the sub-field of taking forceful action on DRN disputed that have gone beyond that point, but when DRN threads are sitting 7 days with all the disputant statements in, but no response from DRN volunteers. What's up with that? Hasteur ( talk) 21:14, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
Dear all;
It is with great sadness that I must inform you that I have come to the decision that I will have to withdraw - either partially or completely - from DRN, and possibly Wikipedia in its entirety. This is because of having just started University, and the impending deadlines, I therefore have less time than I would like to devote to other projects. It is my intention to only "partially" withdraw, and return in the Summer, to then go into hiatus again the following October - hence the reason why I have changed to become the coordinator for July-August. During my hiatuses, I do not intend to do much more than read, keep up to date with some areas of interest, make small edits and keep up with happenings on my talkpage - I have no intention in getting involved in anything nearly as big as the recent arbitration case on Bradley Manning. I do not think I need go as far as placing "retired" on my userpage, or asking to vanish completely.
My time in this project has been a joy, and I look forward to re-joining you all in the summer, when I assume my role as volunteer coordinator for July-August. Normal 0 false false false EN-GB X-NONE X-NONE
-- The Historian ( talk) 18:53, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
Is it possible to establish a "light DRN" too? It is helpful for cases where the problem is a "petit crime" e.g :
For this kind of DRN, the volunteer is able to decide quickly and users may start to respect the rules. Ykantor ( talk) 20:23, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
I filed a dispute because an FA that I wrote was being chopped up. I had a death in the family and had been off line for several days and I come back to find the dispute removed and alterations to the article have been made. One of the people who wanted to slice and dice the article nominated it for FA removal (or whatever it is called) and that review is going on now, but I do not know what happened in the dispute. Where it is?-- Ishtar456 ( talk) 00:23, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
I've closed out the final 2 disputes I was chairing during the burst of activity. I'm going to be on vacation soon so I'm leaving it to the rest of the volunteers to keep the wheels on the cart. Try to not let disputes get to the "Needs a DRN volunteer attention" state please. Hasteur ( talk) 17:17, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
to Guy Macon: Thank you for the title clarification. However, since my past DRNs has expired unsolved, I try to limit and simplify the DRN purpose, in order to attract a volunteer. Actually, this DRN need no linking to an article, and it can be decided without digging inside articles or talk pages.
I will appreciate it if you advice me how to distance this DRN from the articles, so that a volunteer may hopefully choose this simple DRN. Thanks Ykantor ( talk) 18:30, 26 October 2013 (UTC)
I have recused myself from 1948 Palestine war. If any other volunteer cares to take it up, please do so. Best regards, TransporterMan ( TALK) 15:02, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
At the Atheism case, the person who filed the case listed themselves as the DR volunteer handling the case. What's the best way to fix this so the bot goes back to listing "no volunteer yet"? -- Guy Macon ( talk) 17:54, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
I have some serious concerns regarding the way the Flight deck dispute resolution [2] process is being conducted by User:Wiki-Impartial, and am raising it here to get input from others familiar with the process. From the start, it appeared that those involved were suggesting that it was as much a behavioural issue as a content disupute, and unfortunately, despite my repeated efforts there [3] [4] to ensure that the discussion remained centred around content matters, Wiki-Impartial seems intent on bringing behavioural issues to the fore - asking for diffs for edit-warring etc. Not only is this contrary to the purpose of this noticeboard, and pointless since no action can be taken here regarding such matters anyway, but it seems certain to inflame the debate, and reduce the possibility of a satisfactory resolution of the content dispute to almost zero. Frankly, I very much doubt that Wiki-Impartial has either the experience or the knowledge of Wikipedia policy to assist in this case, and accordingly I suggest that Wiki-Impartial should withdraw from the discussion, and let someone with more experience take over. AndyTheGrump ( talk) 16:05, 12 November 2013 (UTC)
WP:5TILDES says:
"Typing five tildes will convert to a date stamp with the current date and time, without adding your signature ... when requesting assistance from the Dispute Resolution Noticeboard the requested format for signing is the five tilde signature to slightly help improve neutrality from the responding DRN member."
Is this correct? -- Guy Macon ( talk) 21:13, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
Cabe6403 has informed me that he will be unable to take on the December, 2013-January, 2014, coordinator position due to real world obligations. This slot is now open for another volunteer to take, but if no one takes it, I will be happy to carry on for two more months. If you wish to take it, please sign up at Wikipedia:Dispute resolution noticeboard/Co-ordinator#December.2C 2013-January.2C 2014 — TransporterMan ( TALK) 20:41, 18 November 2013 (UTC) (current coordinator)
A person, believed to be Livelikemusic had been redirecting Sorry I'm Late (Cher Lloyd album) to the main Cher Lloyd page. I don't get why he wants to do that, as next time we still need to keep that page when Lloyd comes up with a new album. I told that user to stop, but then he/she after that wrote on my talk page to tell me to stop and purposely deleted 2 of my photos which I had uploaded to Wikipedia when I did say where the photo is from, I did add tags, etc. I just find this user annoying. Can someone help me? Thanks. -- 218.186.153.21 ( talk) 06:13, 28 November 2013 (UTC) My real user is User:Nahnah4 ( talk), but now I am using it as an IP address as I cannot log in into Wikipedia using this computer. Thanks!
Could another volunteer take a look at this one? I don't think the current issues are appropriate to address at DRN; they involve establishing naming conventions and the like. Additionally, an editor has expressed concern about a comment I made earlier; while I disagree with their views on the comment, it would probably be more appropriate for someone else to close this. — Theodore! ( talk) ( contribs) 12:44, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
I do not know what our guidelines say about this situation or if there is any particular reason to be concerned but, I feel it should at least be mentioned that a recent request on the board was brought here by an editor who has declared their paid advocacy editing as well as being the meat puppet of the Senator himself. In the actual dispute, the editor admits he was filing this request on behalf of the senator. I feel that, should the request come back to this board, it be declined for the reasoning that it puts the subject at an un-fair advantage to have his paid communications director placing requests on this board for them. I would also like to propose that some guideline be added to counter the growing situation of paid, advocacy, meat puppets attempting to edit Wikipedia and use our noticeboard in a manner I feel is inconsistent with Wikipedia policy and guidelines. Thoughts?-- Mark Miller ( talk) 05:29, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
My approach tends to be inclusive rather than defensive. If someone comes to the project and wants to work within the system and is willing to follow applicable procedures and guidelines and proceed in a good faith manner, than we should welcome them. And as others have stated, in a content forum, like we have here at DRN, we focus on the edits (content) not on the editor (behavior or real life attributes).-- — Keithbob • Talk • 18:10, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
The last of the three COI policy change proposals has now failed. Until the larger community decides to move away from its existing COI policy, I think that we should continue to regard COI as a conduct matter outside the purview of DRN (or of content DR of any kind). We have an established practice of closing listings, under the pending in another forum provision, which includes disputes pending at conduct resolution forums. Anyone who sees a listing here in which they believe that a COI issue exists of such magnitude that it needs a trip to ANI or maybe even COIN is free to list it there and note here that it's pending there and ought to be closed here, or even just close it here if appropriate for them to do so. Regards, TransporterMan ( TALK) 21:18, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
Hey all,
Just a quick hello - life has been hectic lately but I wanted to thank everyone for their hard work over the last few months in keeping DRN going strong. My time should hopefully become a bit freer in the coming month so I'll be around a little bit more. Everyone have a great Christmas :) Steven Zhang ( talk) 13:09, 25 December 2013 (UTC)
Um am I for the Santa and account thing? WWEUndertakerfan ( talk) 03:46, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
This discussion Criticisms of Relativity is being marked by the bot as Open Discussion, but there has been no discussion and the two participants are eagerly awaiting a moderator. Any volunteers?-- — Keithbob • Talk • 19:38, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
@ TransporterMan: Hi, at the top of the DRN page it says one of the coordinator's duties is to collect the monthly metrics. Can you clue me in on this? Thanks!-- — Keithbob • Talk • 01:18, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
There are currently three disputes without moderators, and I am currently involved in three or four, so I'm backed up. Are there any volunteers? -- MrScorch6200 ( t c) 19:46, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
I'm not convinced that there's anything to do. It doesn't appear to me that O'Toole, Brownlee, or Singh are ripe for opening as all are missing opening comments from participants. Moreover, I'm tempted to close Singh due to the RfC, but due to CONLIMITED I'm not sure that it has any weight except as an opinion poll of the members of the project where it's pending; it might, nonetheless, give everyone a chance to work out a solution. Brownlee is probably going to fail, since the other editor has been given notice and has edited since it was posted and has not responded. O'Toole appears to have agreement on a solution between the three people who have weighed in so far and their primary opponents are IP editors who have not yet joined in. I'll ask a clarifying question at O'Toole to see where we are. Best regards, TransporterMan ( TALK) 20:46, 15 January 2014 (UTC)