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Hello. I decided to take Shell as my first attempt at helping here. I think that I am almost done.
In the other spaces I have the following:
Thanks -- Brian G 13:01, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
Mike Richardson is a disambiguation page without any "child" articles. There are 2 people mentioned, but neither has an article. Should I split off 2 stubs and then move the links to them? A potential issue is that someone deletes the stubs on notability concerns. They both probably meet criteria for notability, but they will be short stubs.... Note also that one of the two subjects has >95% of the links, so I guess that I could move one subject to a stub and remove him from the current article and create a Mike Richardson (disambiguation) to point to both subjects. -- Brian G 22:04, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
I'm working through Chief of Staff and I'm discovering that a vast majority of them link to the disambig for the definitions in the top two rows. Is it acceptable to create an entry for Chief of Staff in Wiktionary and then link these to Wiktionary:Chief of Staff (with piping of course)? Or should I do something else. As an example Erich Raeder, Military of Armenia, Second Sino-Japanese War, and Manuel Noriega all link to Chief of Staff do not have actual articles for the Chief of Staff definitions. -- Bobblehead 20:06, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
Check this Wikipedia:WikiProject_Disambiguation_fixer-- Neo139 10:35, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
I am looking at a link from the article Floyd Landis to the Disambiguation page Exogenous. The link itself seems like one of thoses cases where linking directly to the disambiguation page is probbly ok (in which case I usually point it at PAGE (disambiguation) and redirect that page to the real disambig to indicate that it is an intentional link. However, in this case I am toying with the idea of linking to wiktionary:Exogenous. Is there some standard here? I suspect the dab page is possibly the better of the two pages but somehow the wiktionary link feels right. Dalf | Talk 00:56, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
There's a bit of talk on the British talk page Talk:British about how to disambig people who are British, i.e. "Bob is a British politician." Someone suggested that we should pipeline it so that that would become [[Briton|British]]. What does everyone think of that solution? And what do you also think about using that for other instances of British as an adjective like that, like "British rock band" or "British television programme"? Metros 15:57, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
Since we need a new collaboration, I'd suggest Punk if EdGl doesn't mind, as there are quite a few links to deal with there. I haven't really looked closely at any articles, but I feel like it should be relatively straightforward to do. -- Mbell 16:51, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
Thought this might be a bit of fun. I've staked my own claim to these records, but I imagine they've been beaten by someone at some point. Feel free to edit if you know better! And by all means, add your own claims to fame. I'd like to see fastest 500 and even fastest 1000 from the hardcore around here. This isn't meant to make the project competetive, but it might liven things up. Join in! Soo 18:51, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
I've got 104 in 21 minutes [4] and 73 fixes in one edit [5]. The sad thing is that article was turned into a redirect three days later. TimBentley (talk) 20:28, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
So User:Jooler has changed the British disambig page away from being a disambig page [6], then was reverted by User:Grubber [7] which was then reverted back by Jooler [8]. Does anyone have thoughts on how this page should be? Should it remain as the disambig page or as Jooler has adjusted it? Metros 14:38, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
Firstly, we should get more people on this collaboration, as there's still tons of work to be done (over 1000 links, I believe).
Second, I'm unsure of how to handle some of the ambiguous links. I'm sending most of them to mass media or news media, but there are a few that reference the term in the sense of a medium used for transmitting information. The problem is, that there doesn't seem to be a good relevant article to link to. Recording medium is somewhat limited, as it doesn't include online media, comics, etc., which often seem to be included in the desired definition. The Wiktionary entry is also somewhat confusing, containing only a very brief blurb (Formats for presenting information.) among other definitions. My opinion is that it might be most appropriate just to remove these links, although Wiktionary might be a good option too. -- Mbell 15:49, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
In the list page, there are a lot of articles linked that say "This is a list of..." What would be the best option for this disambig? To link to the article on lists at List (composition) or one of the Wikipedia sections on lists (in the Wikipedia organizational sense)? Or the 3rd option is to remove the link all together. Metros 22:02, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
I got annoyed with various things so I decided to fix them. I wrote a script that adds a "DPL mode" option to the toolbox. Clicking that on Whatlinkshere causes it to filter out the User/Talk/Wikipedia namespaces, and changes the bulleted list to a numbered list to make it easier to see how many links remain. If you want to use this script yourself, just add
document.write('<script type="text/javascript" src="' +
' http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=User:Agentsoo/dpl.js' + '&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript&dontcountme=s"></script>');
to Special:Mypage/monobook.js. Like all the best scripts, it fails for no obvious reason in Internet Explorer. If anyone can figure out why and wants to fix it, be my guest. Soo 21:37, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
document.write('<script type="text/javascript" src="'
+ ' http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=User:Lupin/popups.js' + '&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript&dontcountme=s"></script>');
or in addition to, with my new script having 6 total lines? Or are just some of the lines added? Does it matter if they go before or after the script that is already there? Maybe a full example would be useful to people. Thanks. Simon12 01:18, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
listStyleType = 'decimal'
to work; I suspect it is being overwritten by something else in monobook.js, but I don't know what, because this code works fine in a test HTML page generated from scratch. Also, the script still doesn't strip out all of the non-main namespaces. Works on IE6 except as noted above. --
Russ Blau
(talk)
17:47, 30 August 2006 (UTC)As seen on Wikipedia:Disambiguation pages maintenance, there has been a real explosion in the last couple of months of disambig pages with very high numbers of links; instead of the typical case where we need to fix 100 to 200 links to a page, we now have quite a few pages with over 500 to as many as 3000 incoming links. I therefore suggest that for the next database dump, which will probably come in a week or two, instead of posting a long list of hundreds of pages, we limit the list to the top 20 or 30 pages, and we all collaborate on knocking down these huge link counts. (In other words, no "claiming" pages as one's exclusive domain; every page will be a collaboration.) Once this list is finished, we can go back to the more usual method of operating on future dumps. Comments? -- Russ Blau (talk) 13:45, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
I'm glad I asked. I also would hate to do anything that discouraged even one person (especially a valued contributor like Soo) from participating. Maybe I will provide the usual full list, but put the top 10 or so in bold and identify them as the "Current disambiguation collaboration." -- Russ Blau (talk) 20:19, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
The vast majority of the links to the Consulate disambig page are references to the common modern usage of this term, which is covered in Consul (representative). Suggest that someone systematically check the current crop of links to see if there are any exceptions (I found only one to French Consulate in a random check of 10) and then redirect all links to that page. That seems to be a more robust solution than piping all of those links. I would do this myself, but I am leaving for vacation shortly. -- M4701 15:32, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
...can Punk be the new collaboration? Like I said on the project page, the number of links are increasing, not decreasing. This is an easy one to do, and any user can do this (i.e., not very tricky or confusing). Most direct to the broadest punk article, punk subculture, and if an article is referring to the music genre, then it should be pointing to punk rock. About 90% of the links point to one of these two articles. Anyway, does anyone support this request? — EdGl 15:09, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
Maybe someone has discussed this before. If we let go of a disambiguation link page after it's been cleaned up, it will sit in the dark and links will multiply like mushrooms. When that happens, after a while someone else will need to clean it.. and we are all kinda like mice running around on a little wheel, getting nowhere.
I suggest that we have an Adopt a 'Shroom effort. When a particular disambiguation page has been cleaned of links, someone should adopt that page and check it once or twice a week. If you do that, there are only about five or six links to be corrected at one go. If an adoptive person has to take a Wiki vacation etc., s/he should list the 'Shroom as "up for adoption" somewhere.
I'm adopting [[Chinese]] and [[Japanese]], and will probably adopt another one of the problem-child languages/ethnicities currently listed on the bottom of the project page.
Peace, but Death to 'Shrooms: -- Ling.Nut 16:39, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
The new adoption page is still in stub format... but would it be OK to put "Punk" in the "Pages for adoption" section? Tks-- Ling.Nut 19:24, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
As we get to the end of the dump, there's about 41 dabs that are left and almost all of them are "claimed". I wonder if we should start some sort of policy where we remove a claim after awhile. Some of them have been claimed since early to mid-August and should probably go back to being unclaimed. Thoughts? Metros 18:12, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
I [-- Ling.Nut 21:32, 7 September 2006 (UTC)] made an appeal for expert help on a wikiproject page for the Anglican church, and rec'd this response from Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) ( Talk) (all questions should go to him):
Think I got the link count right; sorry if errors. Here is the count:
Page Cleaned Links French 8 August 2006 276 Filipino 21 August 2006 52 Gaelic 30 July 2006 47 German 29 August 2006 125 Hungarian 19 August 2006 62 Rugby 20 August 2006 68 Spanish 12 August 2006 189 Vietnamese 18 August 2006 41
Death to Shrooms! -- Ling.Nut 11:23, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
Just wanted to say good job on the new format of the disambig links page. Here's hoping the numerical order and bolding leads people to take down the 1000 link beasts! -- Oatmeal batman 20:26, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
Wow, once you start disambiguating, it takes you over like a fever. I've been working on music articles and I've noticed that a lot of the pages often have many links that need to be cleared up. Also, music articles proliferate the most quickly -- every day there are several new articles that need Rock Pop Punk, etc. cleared up. I just posted a message on someone's talk page encouraging them to be more careful about linking (the page they created Iva Davies still has problems). Does a template exist that we can post on the pages of new users who don't understand why this is problematic (I am totally guilty of doing this when I was new, by the way.)? I wonder if we couldn't create a "joke" warning template that "sentences" the user to one hour of disambig work. I mean, after working on some of these pages I would never write an article with screwed up links again. I'm thinking of something cute and friendly that explains the problem, forgives the user, and then says, somehow nicely "if you want to make good on creating this work for others, go to the disambig pages with links page and work on this." It might be a good way to get more help on the project, or at least discourage new users from adding to it (which I bet most of them have absolutely no idea that they are doing.) Anyone? Dina 14:11, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
Okay I'm trying something like this now (for music pages only obviously):
I think the message to the editor who makes the dab page quite important. When you look at some pages that have recently been disambiguated, usually there's a whole bunch of new links created by one user, who is a relatively new user. Stopping the behaviour before it continues saves a lot of time. -- Jeff3000 02:17, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
Hello! I am a member of the Wikipedia project for disambiguating links. Links in music articles are big culprits of creating ambiguous links so I wanted to pass along some tips to help you with your contributions:
Please contact me if you have any questions. Cheers. Dina 15:15, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
Is it ok to disambiguate [[Editor]] links to [[Editing]] when the term is being used as a position, like a magazine or newspaper editor? None of the links on the disambiguation page seem exactly right for that sense, and I'm kind of new at this. -- Gwern (contribs) 17:07, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
Many of the the links to "Conservative" out in the wild refer to a particular Conservative Party (The Conservative Party of Elbonia, etc.). But Conservative Party has its own dab page, separate from Conservative. What to do? Copy/paste the links from the Conservative party page onto the Conservative page, but put them inside comment tags. CorHomo currently ignores the comment tags & grabs all links. Of course you can remove the comments later.-- Ling.Nut 03:14, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
Once a dab page in the top 10 is completed, should we update the top 10 (i.e., always have the 10 pages with the most links in bold)? Right now it looks more like a "top 4". — EdGl 01:59, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
I am one of the editors that creates a lot of dab pages. IMO the earlier something is dabbed the better it is. One field where it is good is help avoiding the creation of wrong links. I think what could help the DPL clean-up is to avoid new dirt in the first place. Unfortunatly sometimes I have really hard time with people assuming "their" topic must be the primary topic. This invites editors to create links to a page that maybe one day will be a dab page. Any thoughts? Tobias Conradi (Talk) 15:25, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
I've been plugging away at DPL for some time now, and one thing I've found very annoying is when I click on something in the To Do list with "150 links" listed beside it, it ends up being around 300 links with all of the redirects. I know nothing of the process by which the dump is created, but is there any way to change the way numbers are generated in the initial dump to reflect these redirected links to disambig pages? It would give us numbers closer to the actual amounts. Any help in this area would be appreciated. - Oatmeal batman 08:05, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
As some of you may already have noticed, I have adopted a new user name. This is part of an effort to reduce my level of involvement in Wikipedia. I did say reduce, not eliminate.... I expect that I will still be around, and RussBot will continue to run weekly to update Disambiguation pages maintenance. However, I am going to try to spend much less time on this than I have in the recent past, due to other demands on my time, and if anyone is interested in taking over any of the administrative work on this project, I will be more than happy to brief them on what needs to be done. -- Russ (talk) 18:16, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
Hi,
I have really enjoyed my time here with the dab page link wrecking crew. But I have taken a hard look at my semester and am declaring a wikibreak for about 6 weeks or so.
Can anyone please help? I hope someone can adopt Wikipedia:WikiProject Disambiguation/Adopting disambiguation pages, maybe for 6 weeks or so, and if you like it, heck, do as much as you like and for as long as you like. It's a public page in the first place, but I think there may be a perception that I own it or something. Nothing could be further from the truth, of course.
At the minimum, though, maybe just check in maybe once a week, and kinda update that "pages for adoption" table ( CorHomo helps with counting links)...
Thanks for all the good times stomping 'shrooms. Back in... 6 weeks or so. -- Ling.Nut 13:17, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
Would adding a banner to disambiguation pages declaring that it is adopted by a user be feasible and effective for directing interest in disambiguation repair? For example the banner on the talk page could say:
Or something to that effect. Then people could take ownership for each page by including their name on the talk page on the banner. To get more participants another banner could say:
Then they could go to that page or this one and adopt a page and include their name on the talk page banner. Would this be effective or possible? I know there are a lot of disambiguation pages, but all projects start small, and this could help to increase adoption rates and link repair. If this works, then a message can be sent to all of the WikiProject: Disambiguation participants asking them if they want to adopt a page. If you support/oppose this, please respond. If somebody knows how to program the banners to work, could somebody show an example? Just thought I would try and see if this would work or not. Nehrams2020 21:25, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
Should this be a disambiguation page at all? I've left a message on the talk page, feel free to discuss. -- Daniel Olsen 05:08, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
Please look at this link and its discussion before participating on this project and/or editing redirects. This bullets at the bottom of the page discribes the cost-effectiveness of leaving redirects alone compared to editing redirects. It also gives some note to reasons for redirection and when to do it. This project is not a way to increase your edit count and having read the linked page, I have stopped quick, casual redirects. Onionmon 17:58, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
I've fixed a couple disambiguation entries and thought I'd try fixing alchemist. But this one is tricky. Many entries are linking to this page to get the definition contained in the first line of the disambiguation page. None of the links on the disambiguation page is appropriate. How have people handled cases like this? Is it best to de-link, link to alchemy instead, leave linked to alchemist, link to alchemist in wiktionary, or something else? Rickterp 03:36, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
I'm working on membrane and have some questions:
Cheers, PaddyM 22:19, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
For a while now, the default message that users are suggested to use when correcting a link to an unambiguous target has been "Disambiguation link repair" followed by the [[Wikipedia:Disambiguation pages with links|You can help!]] message. This phrasing seems to be, ironically, ambiguous in its own right: the phrase could be considering some mysterious element called a "disambiguation link," rather than a link to a disambiguation page. There's a simple and more concise alternative: "Link disambiguation." This alternative phrase seems to me to be more accurate, since I can't think of any other meaning for it other than "making a link unambiguous." I'd like to change the phrase, but since this is such a widely used element, it's definitely a good idea to establish consensus first. What do you think? Nihiltres 17:31, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
As the subject header says, is there a tool for finding all links to dab pages in a given article? I wanna check some longish articles I watch.
Thanks!-- Ling.Nut 01:32, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
I searched the archives, but did not find any prior discussion of why CorHomo wouldn't recognize some disamb pages. This talk page doesn't seem to get the same quantity of traffic, so I thought I'd ask for help here. The issue seems to be the difference between a page having {{disamb}} vs {{3CC}} or {{hndis}}. Anyone have experience with pages that I consider disamb but CorHomo doesn't?-- Fisherjs 13:50, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
(removing indents) oops I didn't see your question, Fisherjs. The french-wiki talk page is here, and I originally found that link here -- Ling.Nut 16:32, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
I usually tag the page however CorHomo will understand while I'm working and then change the disambig tags back to the way they were when I'm done. You can add it within comment tags if you don't want to be changing the page substantively while you work on it. So it's a pain, but it never loses me more than a few seconds. Dekimasu 01:27, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
I think that one way to reduce the number of dab page links is to educate editors about the isse - it worked on me. So, I like the idea of a dab template message, but I also think the "How to help" section in this project page should specifically mention this. In other words, I would like to add something to the "How to help" section that suggests editors check any wikilinks they create to make sure that they are not linking to a dab page. So, if curiousity leads them to this project, but they decide not to help with link repair, maybe we can at least encourage them not to add to the load. Any objections? - Kubigula ( ave) 16:41, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
I would just like to bring this article to everyone's attention. The page metal has a humongous DAB problem, I cant exactly pinpoint it, but its around 300 pages. I've been working on AWB and its going to be a pain in the butt to filter all these pages out and figure them out, so I wanted to bring it to everyone's attention that this page needs help, as this is another music genre. Im sure there there are many people who simple link to metal instead of heavy metal when working on a band page.
Thank you.
Bearingbreaker92
05:04, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
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Hello. I decided to take Shell as my first attempt at helping here. I think that I am almost done.
In the other spaces I have the following:
Thanks -- Brian G 13:01, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
Mike Richardson is a disambiguation page without any "child" articles. There are 2 people mentioned, but neither has an article. Should I split off 2 stubs and then move the links to them? A potential issue is that someone deletes the stubs on notability concerns. They both probably meet criteria for notability, but they will be short stubs.... Note also that one of the two subjects has >95% of the links, so I guess that I could move one subject to a stub and remove him from the current article and create a Mike Richardson (disambiguation) to point to both subjects. -- Brian G 22:04, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
I'm working through Chief of Staff and I'm discovering that a vast majority of them link to the disambig for the definitions in the top two rows. Is it acceptable to create an entry for Chief of Staff in Wiktionary and then link these to Wiktionary:Chief of Staff (with piping of course)? Or should I do something else. As an example Erich Raeder, Military of Armenia, Second Sino-Japanese War, and Manuel Noriega all link to Chief of Staff do not have actual articles for the Chief of Staff definitions. -- Bobblehead 20:06, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
Check this Wikipedia:WikiProject_Disambiguation_fixer-- Neo139 10:35, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
I am looking at a link from the article Floyd Landis to the Disambiguation page Exogenous. The link itself seems like one of thoses cases where linking directly to the disambiguation page is probbly ok (in which case I usually point it at PAGE (disambiguation) and redirect that page to the real disambig to indicate that it is an intentional link. However, in this case I am toying with the idea of linking to wiktionary:Exogenous. Is there some standard here? I suspect the dab page is possibly the better of the two pages but somehow the wiktionary link feels right. Dalf | Talk 00:56, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
There's a bit of talk on the British talk page Talk:British about how to disambig people who are British, i.e. "Bob is a British politician." Someone suggested that we should pipeline it so that that would become [[Briton|British]]. What does everyone think of that solution? And what do you also think about using that for other instances of British as an adjective like that, like "British rock band" or "British television programme"? Metros 15:57, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
Since we need a new collaboration, I'd suggest Punk if EdGl doesn't mind, as there are quite a few links to deal with there. I haven't really looked closely at any articles, but I feel like it should be relatively straightforward to do. -- Mbell 16:51, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
Thought this might be a bit of fun. I've staked my own claim to these records, but I imagine they've been beaten by someone at some point. Feel free to edit if you know better! And by all means, add your own claims to fame. I'd like to see fastest 500 and even fastest 1000 from the hardcore around here. This isn't meant to make the project competetive, but it might liven things up. Join in! Soo 18:51, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
I've got 104 in 21 minutes [4] and 73 fixes in one edit [5]. The sad thing is that article was turned into a redirect three days later. TimBentley (talk) 20:28, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
So User:Jooler has changed the British disambig page away from being a disambig page [6], then was reverted by User:Grubber [7] which was then reverted back by Jooler [8]. Does anyone have thoughts on how this page should be? Should it remain as the disambig page or as Jooler has adjusted it? Metros 14:38, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
Firstly, we should get more people on this collaboration, as there's still tons of work to be done (over 1000 links, I believe).
Second, I'm unsure of how to handle some of the ambiguous links. I'm sending most of them to mass media or news media, but there are a few that reference the term in the sense of a medium used for transmitting information. The problem is, that there doesn't seem to be a good relevant article to link to. Recording medium is somewhat limited, as it doesn't include online media, comics, etc., which often seem to be included in the desired definition. The Wiktionary entry is also somewhat confusing, containing only a very brief blurb (Formats for presenting information.) among other definitions. My opinion is that it might be most appropriate just to remove these links, although Wiktionary might be a good option too. -- Mbell 15:49, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
In the list page, there are a lot of articles linked that say "This is a list of..." What would be the best option for this disambig? To link to the article on lists at List (composition) or one of the Wikipedia sections on lists (in the Wikipedia organizational sense)? Or the 3rd option is to remove the link all together. Metros 22:02, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
I got annoyed with various things so I decided to fix them. I wrote a script that adds a "DPL mode" option to the toolbox. Clicking that on Whatlinkshere causes it to filter out the User/Talk/Wikipedia namespaces, and changes the bulleted list to a numbered list to make it easier to see how many links remain. If you want to use this script yourself, just add
document.write('<script type="text/javascript" src="' +
' http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=User:Agentsoo/dpl.js' + '&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript&dontcountme=s"></script>');
to Special:Mypage/monobook.js. Like all the best scripts, it fails for no obvious reason in Internet Explorer. If anyone can figure out why and wants to fix it, be my guest. Soo 21:37, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
document.write('<script type="text/javascript" src="'
+ ' http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=User:Lupin/popups.js' + '&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript&dontcountme=s"></script>');
or in addition to, with my new script having 6 total lines? Or are just some of the lines added? Does it matter if they go before or after the script that is already there? Maybe a full example would be useful to people. Thanks. Simon12 01:18, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
listStyleType = 'decimal'
to work; I suspect it is being overwritten by something else in monobook.js, but I don't know what, because this code works fine in a test HTML page generated from scratch. Also, the script still doesn't strip out all of the non-main namespaces. Works on IE6 except as noted above. --
Russ Blau
(talk)
17:47, 30 August 2006 (UTC)As seen on Wikipedia:Disambiguation pages maintenance, there has been a real explosion in the last couple of months of disambig pages with very high numbers of links; instead of the typical case where we need to fix 100 to 200 links to a page, we now have quite a few pages with over 500 to as many as 3000 incoming links. I therefore suggest that for the next database dump, which will probably come in a week or two, instead of posting a long list of hundreds of pages, we limit the list to the top 20 or 30 pages, and we all collaborate on knocking down these huge link counts. (In other words, no "claiming" pages as one's exclusive domain; every page will be a collaboration.) Once this list is finished, we can go back to the more usual method of operating on future dumps. Comments? -- Russ Blau (talk) 13:45, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
I'm glad I asked. I also would hate to do anything that discouraged even one person (especially a valued contributor like Soo) from participating. Maybe I will provide the usual full list, but put the top 10 or so in bold and identify them as the "Current disambiguation collaboration." -- Russ Blau (talk) 20:19, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
The vast majority of the links to the Consulate disambig page are references to the common modern usage of this term, which is covered in Consul (representative). Suggest that someone systematically check the current crop of links to see if there are any exceptions (I found only one to French Consulate in a random check of 10) and then redirect all links to that page. That seems to be a more robust solution than piping all of those links. I would do this myself, but I am leaving for vacation shortly. -- M4701 15:32, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
...can Punk be the new collaboration? Like I said on the project page, the number of links are increasing, not decreasing. This is an easy one to do, and any user can do this (i.e., not very tricky or confusing). Most direct to the broadest punk article, punk subculture, and if an article is referring to the music genre, then it should be pointing to punk rock. About 90% of the links point to one of these two articles. Anyway, does anyone support this request? — EdGl 15:09, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
Maybe someone has discussed this before. If we let go of a disambiguation link page after it's been cleaned up, it will sit in the dark and links will multiply like mushrooms. When that happens, after a while someone else will need to clean it.. and we are all kinda like mice running around on a little wheel, getting nowhere.
I suggest that we have an Adopt a 'Shroom effort. When a particular disambiguation page has been cleaned of links, someone should adopt that page and check it once or twice a week. If you do that, there are only about five or six links to be corrected at one go. If an adoptive person has to take a Wiki vacation etc., s/he should list the 'Shroom as "up for adoption" somewhere.
I'm adopting [[Chinese]] and [[Japanese]], and will probably adopt another one of the problem-child languages/ethnicities currently listed on the bottom of the project page.
Peace, but Death to 'Shrooms: -- Ling.Nut 16:39, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
The new adoption page is still in stub format... but would it be OK to put "Punk" in the "Pages for adoption" section? Tks-- Ling.Nut 19:24, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
As we get to the end of the dump, there's about 41 dabs that are left and almost all of them are "claimed". I wonder if we should start some sort of policy where we remove a claim after awhile. Some of them have been claimed since early to mid-August and should probably go back to being unclaimed. Thoughts? Metros 18:12, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
I [-- Ling.Nut 21:32, 7 September 2006 (UTC)] made an appeal for expert help on a wikiproject page for the Anglican church, and rec'd this response from Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) ( Talk) (all questions should go to him):
Think I got the link count right; sorry if errors. Here is the count:
Page Cleaned Links French 8 August 2006 276 Filipino 21 August 2006 52 Gaelic 30 July 2006 47 German 29 August 2006 125 Hungarian 19 August 2006 62 Rugby 20 August 2006 68 Spanish 12 August 2006 189 Vietnamese 18 August 2006 41
Death to Shrooms! -- Ling.Nut 11:23, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
Just wanted to say good job on the new format of the disambig links page. Here's hoping the numerical order and bolding leads people to take down the 1000 link beasts! -- Oatmeal batman 20:26, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
Wow, once you start disambiguating, it takes you over like a fever. I've been working on music articles and I've noticed that a lot of the pages often have many links that need to be cleared up. Also, music articles proliferate the most quickly -- every day there are several new articles that need Rock Pop Punk, etc. cleared up. I just posted a message on someone's talk page encouraging them to be more careful about linking (the page they created Iva Davies still has problems). Does a template exist that we can post on the pages of new users who don't understand why this is problematic (I am totally guilty of doing this when I was new, by the way.)? I wonder if we couldn't create a "joke" warning template that "sentences" the user to one hour of disambig work. I mean, after working on some of these pages I would never write an article with screwed up links again. I'm thinking of something cute and friendly that explains the problem, forgives the user, and then says, somehow nicely "if you want to make good on creating this work for others, go to the disambig pages with links page and work on this." It might be a good way to get more help on the project, or at least discourage new users from adding to it (which I bet most of them have absolutely no idea that they are doing.) Anyone? Dina 14:11, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
Okay I'm trying something like this now (for music pages only obviously):
I think the message to the editor who makes the dab page quite important. When you look at some pages that have recently been disambiguated, usually there's a whole bunch of new links created by one user, who is a relatively new user. Stopping the behaviour before it continues saves a lot of time. -- Jeff3000 02:17, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
Hello! I am a member of the Wikipedia project for disambiguating links. Links in music articles are big culprits of creating ambiguous links so I wanted to pass along some tips to help you with your contributions:
Please contact me if you have any questions. Cheers. Dina 15:15, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
Is it ok to disambiguate [[Editor]] links to [[Editing]] when the term is being used as a position, like a magazine or newspaper editor? None of the links on the disambiguation page seem exactly right for that sense, and I'm kind of new at this. -- Gwern (contribs) 17:07, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
Many of the the links to "Conservative" out in the wild refer to a particular Conservative Party (The Conservative Party of Elbonia, etc.). But Conservative Party has its own dab page, separate from Conservative. What to do? Copy/paste the links from the Conservative party page onto the Conservative page, but put them inside comment tags. CorHomo currently ignores the comment tags & grabs all links. Of course you can remove the comments later.-- Ling.Nut 03:14, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
Once a dab page in the top 10 is completed, should we update the top 10 (i.e., always have the 10 pages with the most links in bold)? Right now it looks more like a "top 4". — EdGl 01:59, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
I am one of the editors that creates a lot of dab pages. IMO the earlier something is dabbed the better it is. One field where it is good is help avoiding the creation of wrong links. I think what could help the DPL clean-up is to avoid new dirt in the first place. Unfortunatly sometimes I have really hard time with people assuming "their" topic must be the primary topic. This invites editors to create links to a page that maybe one day will be a dab page. Any thoughts? Tobias Conradi (Talk) 15:25, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
I've been plugging away at DPL for some time now, and one thing I've found very annoying is when I click on something in the To Do list with "150 links" listed beside it, it ends up being around 300 links with all of the redirects. I know nothing of the process by which the dump is created, but is there any way to change the way numbers are generated in the initial dump to reflect these redirected links to disambig pages? It would give us numbers closer to the actual amounts. Any help in this area would be appreciated. - Oatmeal batman 08:05, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
As some of you may already have noticed, I have adopted a new user name. This is part of an effort to reduce my level of involvement in Wikipedia. I did say reduce, not eliminate.... I expect that I will still be around, and RussBot will continue to run weekly to update Disambiguation pages maintenance. However, I am going to try to spend much less time on this than I have in the recent past, due to other demands on my time, and if anyone is interested in taking over any of the administrative work on this project, I will be more than happy to brief them on what needs to be done. -- Russ (talk) 18:16, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
Hi,
I have really enjoyed my time here with the dab page link wrecking crew. But I have taken a hard look at my semester and am declaring a wikibreak for about 6 weeks or so.
Can anyone please help? I hope someone can adopt Wikipedia:WikiProject Disambiguation/Adopting disambiguation pages, maybe for 6 weeks or so, and if you like it, heck, do as much as you like and for as long as you like. It's a public page in the first place, but I think there may be a perception that I own it or something. Nothing could be further from the truth, of course.
At the minimum, though, maybe just check in maybe once a week, and kinda update that "pages for adoption" table ( CorHomo helps with counting links)...
Thanks for all the good times stomping 'shrooms. Back in... 6 weeks or so. -- Ling.Nut 13:17, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
Would adding a banner to disambiguation pages declaring that it is adopted by a user be feasible and effective for directing interest in disambiguation repair? For example the banner on the talk page could say:
Or something to that effect. Then people could take ownership for each page by including their name on the talk page on the banner. To get more participants another banner could say:
Then they could go to that page or this one and adopt a page and include their name on the talk page banner. Would this be effective or possible? I know there are a lot of disambiguation pages, but all projects start small, and this could help to increase adoption rates and link repair. If this works, then a message can be sent to all of the WikiProject: Disambiguation participants asking them if they want to adopt a page. If you support/oppose this, please respond. If somebody knows how to program the banners to work, could somebody show an example? Just thought I would try and see if this would work or not. Nehrams2020 21:25, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
Should this be a disambiguation page at all? I've left a message on the talk page, feel free to discuss. -- Daniel Olsen 05:08, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
Please look at this link and its discussion before participating on this project and/or editing redirects. This bullets at the bottom of the page discribes the cost-effectiveness of leaving redirects alone compared to editing redirects. It also gives some note to reasons for redirection and when to do it. This project is not a way to increase your edit count and having read the linked page, I have stopped quick, casual redirects. Onionmon 17:58, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
I've fixed a couple disambiguation entries and thought I'd try fixing alchemist. But this one is tricky. Many entries are linking to this page to get the definition contained in the first line of the disambiguation page. None of the links on the disambiguation page is appropriate. How have people handled cases like this? Is it best to de-link, link to alchemy instead, leave linked to alchemist, link to alchemist in wiktionary, or something else? Rickterp 03:36, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
I'm working on membrane and have some questions:
Cheers, PaddyM 22:19, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
For a while now, the default message that users are suggested to use when correcting a link to an unambiguous target has been "Disambiguation link repair" followed by the [[Wikipedia:Disambiguation pages with links|You can help!]] message. This phrasing seems to be, ironically, ambiguous in its own right: the phrase could be considering some mysterious element called a "disambiguation link," rather than a link to a disambiguation page. There's a simple and more concise alternative: "Link disambiguation." This alternative phrase seems to me to be more accurate, since I can't think of any other meaning for it other than "making a link unambiguous." I'd like to change the phrase, but since this is such a widely used element, it's definitely a good idea to establish consensus first. What do you think? Nihiltres 17:31, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
As the subject header says, is there a tool for finding all links to dab pages in a given article? I wanna check some longish articles I watch.
Thanks!-- Ling.Nut 01:32, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
I searched the archives, but did not find any prior discussion of why CorHomo wouldn't recognize some disamb pages. This talk page doesn't seem to get the same quantity of traffic, so I thought I'd ask for help here. The issue seems to be the difference between a page having {{disamb}} vs {{3CC}} or {{hndis}}. Anyone have experience with pages that I consider disamb but CorHomo doesn't?-- Fisherjs 13:50, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
(removing indents) oops I didn't see your question, Fisherjs. The french-wiki talk page is here, and I originally found that link here -- Ling.Nut 16:32, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
I usually tag the page however CorHomo will understand while I'm working and then change the disambig tags back to the way they were when I'm done. You can add it within comment tags if you don't want to be changing the page substantively while you work on it. So it's a pain, but it never loses me more than a few seconds. Dekimasu 01:27, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
I think that one way to reduce the number of dab page links is to educate editors about the isse - it worked on me. So, I like the idea of a dab template message, but I also think the "How to help" section in this project page should specifically mention this. In other words, I would like to add something to the "How to help" section that suggests editors check any wikilinks they create to make sure that they are not linking to a dab page. So, if curiousity leads them to this project, but they decide not to help with link repair, maybe we can at least encourage them not to add to the load. Any objections? - Kubigula ( ave) 16:41, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
I would just like to bring this article to everyone's attention. The page metal has a humongous DAB problem, I cant exactly pinpoint it, but its around 300 pages. I've been working on AWB and its going to be a pain in the butt to filter all these pages out and figure them out, so I wanted to bring it to everyone's attention that this page needs help, as this is another music genre. Im sure there there are many people who simple link to metal instead of heavy metal when working on a band page.
Thank you.
Bearingbreaker92
05:04, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
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