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DYK's can often be extremely facile and useless. I am writer on European history, and I have always wondered how some of this stuff gets posted. I noticed that Józef Piłsudski is described with one word: "dictator". He was actually Poland's liberator from the Russians, a self-taught military genius (his defeat of the Red Army at the gates of Warsaw was epic) and the greatest man his country produced since King Jan Sobieski. While he did stage a coup at one point, it was one of those "failed politics" situations that happen in many newly independent countries. He did not intended to set himself up as dictator but eased his own way out of office and died his country's grand old man. (He was also a vocal opponent of anti-Semitism.) 68.5.64.178 04:17, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
discussion moved from Template talk:Did you know by Peter Isotalo 08:57, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
Some of us are self limiting. I did not suggest Norman Blacklock 10 days ago because I only had one reference (only one obituary published then). Another has just been published, but it is too late now. Sigh. -- ALoan (Talk) 16:01, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
I also don't nominate such short articles as Vladislav Ozerov. Imagine my surprise when I saw Mancs on Main Page, complete with the picture! -- Ghirla -трёп- 16:09, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
The talk message template currently displays as follows,
"An entry from Arki, India appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know? column on 13 September 2006"
Is it possible to add a link to the text that was displayed on the Main page. I would like to know what interesting fact was mentioned on the DYK (without having to search archive pages). Suggestions and comments? - Ganeshk ( talk) 06:31, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
This is more of a personal ramble than a constructive comment, but ever since I was on Wikipedia and saw the "Did You Know"s, not once have I ever known anything in the DYK section, apart from the handful of stuff that I had added to it. Has anyone else actually known anything that has been on DYK prior to seeing it there? I'd guesstimate the average person would have known less than 1% of all things ever been asked if they know. It's a rhetorical question, I gather that, but it seems a bit silly as a title. "Did You Know...?" - practically nobody knows anything on this page. I guess it's a credit to Wikipedia that pretty much all the stuff worth knowing is already in Wikipedia, and all the new stuff nobody really gives a damn about. So I'd casually advise renaming the section something like "Stuff you wouldn't have known before" or "The best bunch of the hundreds of new entries to this encyclopedia". Or maybe it doesn't really matter what it's called. -- Dangherous 11:27, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
Has a nihilartikel ever been put onto DYK? -- Dangherous 13:37, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
I just had a quick look at recent history for the submissions page and noticed that an anon had added an {{ editprotected}} template to the top (which was swiftly reverted, probably due to the all-caps edit summary). Thinking about it, would it be worth the time for us non-admin page-watchers to actually start doing this ourselves if the next update is well overdue? Is there a chance it'd either get some new admins involved in updating the template (always a good thing), or be noticed by the current update-team more quickly than the clock currently on the Suggestions page? I'd view either as a success, personally. GeeJo (t)⁄ (c) • 16:40, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
I've noticed right now that Heckler & Koch MP5 in popular culture, which was a DYK for 10 May 2006, got deleted and no consensus that was apparent in the was made to have the article deleted. What the heck happened? -- 293.xx.xxx.xx 10:25, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
According to User:Gmaxwell, the highest contributors to WP are US, UK, CAN, AUS and then GER. I didn't find much at DYK about Germany, so I asked the German board to be more bold and nominate themselves (NP is unfeasible as 40% of the stuff there is deleted, and 45%+ have NPOV, too short, no refs, etc, etc, and that is even before we can find something remotely interesting in any of them). As such I can see that there are lots of Polish, Russian and Indian stuff, due to the high number of superb quality article writers from that part of the world who enjoy sharing knowledge with us. Perhaps we should go and see if there are any French, Italian, Spanish, Dutch, etc contribs who aren't aware of DYK and encourage them to take part. Similarly, I see next to no stuff from China or Japan. Aside from that, I was wondering which WikiProjects were very active and to ask those ones to get involved some more. Blnguyen | BLabberiNg 01:47, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
The following message was just left at Wikipedia talk:New Zealand Wikipedians' notice board:
There are quite a reasonable number of project portals (such as Portal:New Zealand) which have their own series of "Did you know?" facts - surely it would be a good idea to regularly look around those for potential main page DYK facts. The New Zealand portal has been adding its own DYK facts at the rate of one or two a week... even if only a dozen or so portals were doing that, it would keep the main page perpetually supplied with new facts. Grutness... wha? 04:34, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
Ostkreuz's image on the front page, in my mind, doesn't look interesting to me. I mean, theirs a shot of a number of stools in a room in a B&W colorscale, an ornate bowl, and a manuscript illumination, and yet a photo of a near empty train station got chosen above those? -- 293.xx.xxx.xx 23:48, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
Hey, I'm a Commons admin but not a en admin. I can see an error in the description of the refresh instructions. They say:
However, the only users who can upload a local image over a commons-hosted image are sysops. Non-admins get an error message if they attempt to do so. There may be benefit to protecting the en page (to protect the description from vandalism) but the image itself is protected by the software. I don't want to make the change myself, partly to raise awareness of this issue and also to ask: do we need to protect the image description on a main page image? With the POTD the answer is "YES" but its not so clear with the others...-- Nilfanion ( talk) 01:17, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
Does anyone know whether it would be possible to inform any of the other portals automatically about changes to the main page that might relate to their work? It would certainly decrease the amount of time spent on maintaining portals, and might even increase the number of people and amount of time involved in the main page itself. Also, it would reduce the need for individual nominations to each portal. Badbilltucker 18:35, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
Yeah I know, but it seems almost every other day there is a Eurovision-related article but can't we add something else? Many deserving nominations are left hanging while the Eurovision nominations almost always gets picked. -- Howard the Duck 04:57, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
I think that Eurovision is noticed so often because it is stigmatised. I made 7 Eurovision DYKs since July 20, Bravada 2, BigHaz 21 User:BigHaz/DYK Collection. so 30 over 82 days= 2.56 per week. So there is no particular crisis. About 7*(~15) perhaps 105 things get on DYK per week, so there is no crisis. It would be better if we slowed down and maybe 1-1.5 per week simply to keep it consistent and last longer, but due to RL necessity:exams, etc, people do not edit at the same level consistently. There is no pandemic, the best way is to simply find more coverage of neglected areas. Hence my post below. Blnguyen | BLabberiNg 01:47, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
If I may speak in my own defence regarding Eurovision noms, the way I see the situation is this (apologies for possibly flogging a dead horse):
I feel that the length requirement on DYK needs to improved as I feel that the current regulations allow too many shortish articles to be let onto DYK. Yes, DYK is for improving, up-and-coming articles, but I feel that the baseline is too low
Thoughts? Blnguyen | BLabberiNg 02:54, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
I don't think the size is tantamount to quality. I would rather see on DYK a shorter article about a World Heritage site than a longer article about some Pokemon creature. Is the purpose of this proposal to cut the number of nominations? -- Ghirla -трёп- 06:56, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
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Archive 10 | ← | Archive 12 | Archive 13 | Archive 14 | Archive 15 | Archive 16 | → | Archive 20 |
DYK's can often be extremely facile and useless. I am writer on European history, and I have always wondered how some of this stuff gets posted. I noticed that Józef Piłsudski is described with one word: "dictator". He was actually Poland's liberator from the Russians, a self-taught military genius (his defeat of the Red Army at the gates of Warsaw was epic) and the greatest man his country produced since King Jan Sobieski. While he did stage a coup at one point, it was one of those "failed politics" situations that happen in many newly independent countries. He did not intended to set himself up as dictator but eased his own way out of office and died his country's grand old man. (He was also a vocal opponent of anti-Semitism.) 68.5.64.178 04:17, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
discussion moved from Template talk:Did you know by Peter Isotalo 08:57, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
Some of us are self limiting. I did not suggest Norman Blacklock 10 days ago because I only had one reference (only one obituary published then). Another has just been published, but it is too late now. Sigh. -- ALoan (Talk) 16:01, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
I also don't nominate such short articles as Vladislav Ozerov. Imagine my surprise when I saw Mancs on Main Page, complete with the picture! -- Ghirla -трёп- 16:09, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
The talk message template currently displays as follows,
"An entry from Arki, India appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know? column on 13 September 2006"
Is it possible to add a link to the text that was displayed on the Main page. I would like to know what interesting fact was mentioned on the DYK (without having to search archive pages). Suggestions and comments? - Ganeshk ( talk) 06:31, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
This is more of a personal ramble than a constructive comment, but ever since I was on Wikipedia and saw the "Did You Know"s, not once have I ever known anything in the DYK section, apart from the handful of stuff that I had added to it. Has anyone else actually known anything that has been on DYK prior to seeing it there? I'd guesstimate the average person would have known less than 1% of all things ever been asked if they know. It's a rhetorical question, I gather that, but it seems a bit silly as a title. "Did You Know...?" - practically nobody knows anything on this page. I guess it's a credit to Wikipedia that pretty much all the stuff worth knowing is already in Wikipedia, and all the new stuff nobody really gives a damn about. So I'd casually advise renaming the section something like "Stuff you wouldn't have known before" or "The best bunch of the hundreds of new entries to this encyclopedia". Or maybe it doesn't really matter what it's called. -- Dangherous 11:27, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
Has a nihilartikel ever been put onto DYK? -- Dangherous 13:37, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
I just had a quick look at recent history for the submissions page and noticed that an anon had added an {{ editprotected}} template to the top (which was swiftly reverted, probably due to the all-caps edit summary). Thinking about it, would it be worth the time for us non-admin page-watchers to actually start doing this ourselves if the next update is well overdue? Is there a chance it'd either get some new admins involved in updating the template (always a good thing), or be noticed by the current update-team more quickly than the clock currently on the Suggestions page? I'd view either as a success, personally. GeeJo (t)⁄ (c) • 16:40, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
I've noticed right now that Heckler & Koch MP5 in popular culture, which was a DYK for 10 May 2006, got deleted and no consensus that was apparent in the was made to have the article deleted. What the heck happened? -- 293.xx.xxx.xx 10:25, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
According to User:Gmaxwell, the highest contributors to WP are US, UK, CAN, AUS and then GER. I didn't find much at DYK about Germany, so I asked the German board to be more bold and nominate themselves (NP is unfeasible as 40% of the stuff there is deleted, and 45%+ have NPOV, too short, no refs, etc, etc, and that is even before we can find something remotely interesting in any of them). As such I can see that there are lots of Polish, Russian and Indian stuff, due to the high number of superb quality article writers from that part of the world who enjoy sharing knowledge with us. Perhaps we should go and see if there are any French, Italian, Spanish, Dutch, etc contribs who aren't aware of DYK and encourage them to take part. Similarly, I see next to no stuff from China or Japan. Aside from that, I was wondering which WikiProjects were very active and to ask those ones to get involved some more. Blnguyen | BLabberiNg 01:47, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
The following message was just left at Wikipedia talk:New Zealand Wikipedians' notice board:
There are quite a reasonable number of project portals (such as Portal:New Zealand) which have their own series of "Did you know?" facts - surely it would be a good idea to regularly look around those for potential main page DYK facts. The New Zealand portal has been adding its own DYK facts at the rate of one or two a week... even if only a dozen or so portals were doing that, it would keep the main page perpetually supplied with new facts. Grutness... wha? 04:34, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
Ostkreuz's image on the front page, in my mind, doesn't look interesting to me. I mean, theirs a shot of a number of stools in a room in a B&W colorscale, an ornate bowl, and a manuscript illumination, and yet a photo of a near empty train station got chosen above those? -- 293.xx.xxx.xx 23:48, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
Hey, I'm a Commons admin but not a en admin. I can see an error in the description of the refresh instructions. They say:
However, the only users who can upload a local image over a commons-hosted image are sysops. Non-admins get an error message if they attempt to do so. There may be benefit to protecting the en page (to protect the description from vandalism) but the image itself is protected by the software. I don't want to make the change myself, partly to raise awareness of this issue and also to ask: do we need to protect the image description on a main page image? With the POTD the answer is "YES" but its not so clear with the others...-- Nilfanion ( talk) 01:17, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
Does anyone know whether it would be possible to inform any of the other portals automatically about changes to the main page that might relate to their work? It would certainly decrease the amount of time spent on maintaining portals, and might even increase the number of people and amount of time involved in the main page itself. Also, it would reduce the need for individual nominations to each portal. Badbilltucker 18:35, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
Yeah I know, but it seems almost every other day there is a Eurovision-related article but can't we add something else? Many deserving nominations are left hanging while the Eurovision nominations almost always gets picked. -- Howard the Duck 04:57, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
I think that Eurovision is noticed so often because it is stigmatised. I made 7 Eurovision DYKs since July 20, Bravada 2, BigHaz 21 User:BigHaz/DYK Collection. so 30 over 82 days= 2.56 per week. So there is no particular crisis. About 7*(~15) perhaps 105 things get on DYK per week, so there is no crisis. It would be better if we slowed down and maybe 1-1.5 per week simply to keep it consistent and last longer, but due to RL necessity:exams, etc, people do not edit at the same level consistently. There is no pandemic, the best way is to simply find more coverage of neglected areas. Hence my post below. Blnguyen | BLabberiNg 01:47, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
If I may speak in my own defence regarding Eurovision noms, the way I see the situation is this (apologies for possibly flogging a dead horse):
I feel that the length requirement on DYK needs to improved as I feel that the current regulations allow too many shortish articles to be let onto DYK. Yes, DYK is for improving, up-and-coming articles, but I feel that the baseline is too low
Thoughts? Blnguyen | BLabberiNg 02:54, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
I don't think the size is tantamount to quality. I would rather see on DYK a shorter article about a World Heritage site than a longer article about some Pokemon creature. Is the purpose of this proposal to cut the number of nominations? -- Ghirla -трёп- 06:56, 25 October 2006 (UTC)