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Which template should be used for magazine citation, for example, a video game review magazine? Thanks. – ARC Gritt TALK 11:51, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
Has anyone set up a quick method for putting EndNote references into a wikipedia citation? alteripse 17:21, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
Can somebody do a template or link for citing a patent. Thanks.-- Joewski 09:30, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
I frequently cite sources from NASA's ADS, which conveniently gives a bibtex entry for every source at a single click (e.g. http://adsabs.harvard.edu/cgi-bin/nph-bib_query?bibcode=1998A%26A...340..117L&data_type=BIBTEX&db_key=AST%26amp;nocookieset=1). Is there any simple way to integrate this into a wikipedia article? i.e. is there a template that I could just paste such an entry into? I'm afraid I'm not familiar enough with template creation to do this myself just yet. Thanks, Keflavich 17:21, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
{{
cite journal}}
: |pages=
has extra text (
help); Unknown parameter |coauthors=
ignored (|author=
suggested) (
help); Unknown parameter |month=
ignored (
help)One of the best things about BibTeX is (ahem) natbib! These wikipedia citation templates are re-inventing the wheel and BibTex and natbib (among other systems) have gone before. Eg, there is no template yet for a chapter in an edited book. The kind where the chapters are written by people other than the book editor(s). So maybe steal more ideas from them? -- 66.167.135.226 04:14, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
The templates are nice but it seems we should be able to paste one of them into an article under edit and verify it works using "show preview". This does not appear to be the case. Rtdrury 23:22, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
Please take a look at a template I created for citing booklet notes for CDs etc. I couldn't find a way to create these references using the pre-existing citation templates. I'm no template wizard, but if anyone wants to improve it please go ahead. The template is here: Template:Cite cd notes. Thanks! Grover cleveland 04:19, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
There seems to be some inconsistency between location and place parameters. Neither of these currently seems to work, but some examples use place while the template documentation uses location. -- Ott2 20:27, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
Is it possible and acceptable to make or use a reference which uses ASIN Amazon Standard Identification Numbers?
I am editing a topic which could be called "ethnic" , that is regarding an organisation based in a developing nation
There are numerous books published and available to purchase both new and especially vintage from a variety of publisher which are available and listed with an ASIN number but not with a ISBN number due to age or ethnicity
This would be very helpful , I think that ASIN has become an alternative index by default.........If anyone could help me make or propose such a citation template, I would appreciate it. Green108 12:06, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
Perhaps you can put a quick list of in the lead that land you at the right template for a selection of common source types, like a newspaper, a broadcast, an encyclopaedia, a novel, etc. And perhaps for a few often used sources too, like e.g. The New York Times, The Guardian, CNN, etc. These link would then land you at partially filled in templates, making citing them less work. Shinobu 17:44, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
I ran into a problem trying to cite an article by a person who uses a first name but no last name as a byline. The "first" parameter in the template was ignored. I tried putting the name in "last" instead and it seemed to work better.-- Larrybob 18:57, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
I know it is probably me doing something wrong. But I have looked and looked, and I have used this template hundreds of times before, but for some reason the ISBN won't link using the Cite Book Template in Ref 5 of East Gosford, New South Wales. Could somebody have a check please and tell me what I've done wrong. ..... Todd #661 11:14, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
Is there a way to cite an email? BlueAg09 ( Talk) 21:40, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
I find myself citing more and more annual reports in various topics and it would be good to have a template specifically for this purpose. Fields in such a cite template would be:
Would such a template be possible? -- Russavia 11:59, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
There is a mthod of referencing chapters in edited books but it is currently under the heading of "Encyclopedia" where it is not immediately obvious. Could someone looking after this page add this to the "Book" section. The problem is that the chapter and its title need to be credited with the author of that chapter and then the book and title need to be credited with the editors. -- CloudSurfer 21:28, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
What is the difference between "id = ISSN: 0343-6993" and "id = ISSN 0343-6993"? Both are used on the project page - perhaps one is in error. Nurg 23:52, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
Is there a template intended for such use? For example, when I refer to RFC 4098 in an article on the Border Gateway Protocol, there's apparently some formatting mechanism that recognizes the number and makes an external RFC reference, rather than quoting Berkowitz et al. as authors. Is there a way to use a Harvard Reference type to refer to pages in such a document?
Patents, government reports where there's no individual author, etc., have the same sort of problem.
Suggestions? Is there a template that I've missed? Howard C. Berkowitz 19:04, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
Should there be a template for Podcasts? Norm Donovan 15:16, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
I would like to propose the addition of an optional formatting parameter, which when used would make the cited reference in a bibliographical listing appear as a hanging indent if it wraps over multiple lines. Thus, the following listing:
A sample quotation- The rain in Spain stays mainly on the plain(in Spanish) (in Nahuatl languages) (in Mayan languages) A line of text which comes after the reference for some reason
{{
cite web}}
: Unknown parameter |coauthors=
ignored (|author=
suggested) (
help){{
cite book}}
: |editor=
has generic name (
help){{
cite book}}
: |access-date=
requires |url=
(
help); |format=
requires |url=
(
help); |pages=
has extra text (
help); External link in |chapterurl=
(
help); Unknown parameter |chapterurl=
ignored (|chapter-url=
suggested) (
help); Unknown parameter |coauthors=
ignored (|author=
suggested) (
help){{
cite web}}
: Unknown parameter |coauthors=
ignored (|author=
suggested) (
help); Unknown parameter |month=
ignored (
help)would appear formatted as:
Some more tests and examples using longer lists for formatting comparision may be viewed here.
Formatting in this way has the advantage of making it far easier to pick out the keyword (ie, the authors' names) when scanning down a bibliographical listing, when they would be undifferentiated otherwise. If you look around, most reference lists provide some sort of visual cue to make the keyword stand out, and I find this particularly useful and convenient with a lengthy listing.
The optional formatting parameter, let's call it hi, would be specified with a postive integer value that would determine the size (in em) of the indent's offset. The coding can be achieved thus (there may be some more efficient way):
{{#if: {{{hi|}}} |<div style="text-indent: -{{{hi|0}}}em; margin-left: {{{hi|0}}}em;">}} ...rest of template code... {{#if: {{{hi|}}} |</div>}}
AFAIK this would be browser-agnostic. The only minor drawback I've identified in testing is that if anything appears on the same line after the templated citation (typically language icons, or perhaps some annotative text), then that gets bumped to a new line:
However, this is readily fixed by also adding a |freetext= parameter, to include the text inside the <div></div>
tags:
For consistency, the |hi= parameter should be added to all of the "cite X" templates ({{ cite book}}, {{ cite web}}, etc).
I would like to implement this shortly, unless there are strenuous objections or someone can identify incompatibilities I haven't considered. Any comments, thoughts?-- cjllw ʘ TALK 04:28, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
<references/>
tag (
m:Cite/Cite.php), which generates a numbered list of the inline cites and footnotes captured between <ref></ref> tags. In fact, if you try to use it on citation templates that appear between <ref></ref> tags it causes the text to be offset on a line below where the corresponding auto-generated number appears.<references/>
). Some examples of articles whose cited references are set out this way are
Mayan languages,
Taiwanese aborigines,
Chunchucmil, and others which adopt the
'Notes and References' approach.{{<div style="text-indent: -{{{hi|5}}}em; margin-left: {{{hi|5}}}em;">}} ...rest of template code... </div>}}
re: the above, your closing }} pair follows the template expanded contents, so is correctly rendered as it's outside the div block you added, whereas your fix: 'freetext=' defines a new field within said block. GIGO principle! Ooops! (At least causality isn't being violated! That's some small comfort, I'm sure!) Cheers! // Fra nkB 16:01, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
<ref></ref>
tags, and this hanging indent feature is turned 'on'. As I alluded to earlier, the output generated by the <references/>
tag results in the reference citation appearing on a new line below the associated number. It would display like this:<references/>
tag, although its usefulness in formatting this output may be a little redundant. In principle it could be used on any bulleted list with long items, or indeed any general block(s) of text, if there were to be some reason to do so. But it does satisfy the purpose I originally had in mind, and so I'd propose using this method, and leaving the citation templates themselves unmolested.Thanks Huntster for picking that up, it seems that was attributable to a difference in how Firefox and MSIE treat the "attachment" of bullets to lists. I've now implemented a fix, so the problem in Firefox (& I presume other Gecko-based browsers) no longer occurs. In MSIE however the bullet now appears right up against the text, which may be sub-optimal. The whole issue can be avoided by using a non-bulleted list, which can readily be achieved by using a colon ( : ) instead of an asterisk ( * ) as the list item delimiter.
And thanks Ross, I've taken your suggestion on board and have amended the template doco to that effect. Cheers, -- cjllw ʘ TALK 00:48, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
I'd like to see a concerted effort to clean up the Category:Citation templates in two respects:
My problem with documentation is more minor, and generally one of a missing definition of parameter use and meaning. What, for example, is the accessdate field in {{ cite book}} or {{ cite visual}}. The day I'm looking up a particular phrase/viewed a particular documentary? What possible use is that going forward to anyone? Aren't the copyright dates and edition (where applicable) and page, et. al. sufficient? Best regards // Fra nkB 16:38, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
Last night it occured to me that a Wikipedia page sucking in the primary citation templates '/doc' pages would be a good idea... since it allows a comparison between selections from one place. The difference from the two current wikipedia pages would be that it would be a One-stop-shopping-plaza, as it were, for cutting and pasting a template one needs but doesn't normally need, so one needs to cut (N paste), etc.! Since t'would update automatically when the '/doc' page changes, would hardly ever need any maintenance editing. Just section title, followed by /doc pages invocations.
The result would be a page with a TOC by template name, allowing a jump-to and set up a shortcut to get there in a hurry when need to 'consult' with and select such a template. My suggestion would further be to place it in template space {{
Allcites}}
, perhaps, and include that page into (or not) any Wikipedia: page (Keeps the template categorizations fenced off). Substing such a shopping mall would be contraindicated as then requires overt maintenance edits to update and should be avoided. Cheers! //
Fra
nkB
18:22, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
Prior Conditional tests and section ...
{{#ifeq:{{PAGENAME}} <!--- This is a typical conditional block ---> | this page's name |<!-- case then == do nothing ---> OR code which only displays in compendium ... | current stuff, headings to OMIT when doc page is aggregated in this page name ... }}
Material common to both states follows (or precedes) the if block. ... Next Conditional tests and section
Echoing here a response on Hunsters talk, on the above. The doc page technique had nothing to do with getting conditional logic out of templates documentation--but enabled direct template documentation to be displayed where before it had been hidden on a talk page. However, that benefit is a side effect. The primary reason underlying the /doc pages was to reduce server loading requirements in two ways:
1) on widely used templates... someone would come in and make a trivial edit (Say add an interwiki) and if that template was widely used, the page caching had to re-render all the pages affected and renew the cache causing large surges in server processing demands, and great delays while the que was emptied again. In the /doc method, the documentation is walled off behind an noinclude block, so the only pages which need reprocessed if the /doc page changes are those linked directly to it--the template 'display' of help for the editor needing the information on how to apply the template.
2) At the same time (about 13 months back, iirc) the developers imposed a cap on the preprocessing memory allowed for expansion of all templates on a page. The /doc page with the same fence off, shrinks that need significantly, and eliminated a lot of problems on pages with a lot of template use (numbers count too).
It follows then, that complexity inside the doc page is irrelevant to those reasons, and is pretty trivial matter in any event. Most of our notice templates have far more complex structures (see below). //
Fra
nkB
Subsequent to the above and a couple of talk exchanges with Huntster, I stubbed up a working solution using four citation templates and essentially three methods trials. All involve creating a second smaller sub-page of the material to display on the compendium page as the best "Technical means" of keeping the same material on the usage pages as is to be displayed on the compendium page. The fourth implementation here is the simplest and easiest.
I would like to know the correct template and syntax to create a citation to a review of a film published in a journal. (That is, the review is published in the journal).
I know the following information about the review:
and I know the following about the film that was reviewed:
I cannot figure out how to use citation templates to create a reference to the review of the film. Any help will be appreciated— G716 < T· C> 05:48, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
{{cite journal |author=author's name |date=date of review |title=Name of film (review) |journal=journal name |volume=vol |issue=num |pages=pp}}
For templates, should the full version be used or the commonly used versions? Noahcs 00:27, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
I was wondering whether we should include the templates for CD notes, DVD notes, Executive Orders, Hansards, Interviews, Patents, Podcasts, Speeches, US Bills, Video games, or the Wayback Machine on this page? Noahcs 01:41, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
Obliviously they don't ALL have to be included, they were just some suggestions that I thought might need to be included. Now that I think about it, maybe just the more popular ones like Interviews and Speeches? Noahcs 00:51, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
On Template talk:Cite book the question of whether an overhaul of these templates is in order has been raised on several occasions, for example to simplify AND allow differing styles (phrases). A technique for determining where and when a particular field (param) has been suggested, suggesting BOT organized mass edits make any style overhaul feasible. See this, and the linked discussion from the top of that about one vexing problem (editor and or translator). // Fra nkB 20:38, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
Why isn't there a template listed for citing an article from an edited book? This happens frequently in book science and literary publications, that a book will consist of a collection of articles by various authors, but published under a single title and edited. -- EncycloPetey 18:38, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
{{
cite book}}
: |editor=
has generic name (
help); |pages=
has extra text (
help); Unknown parameter |coauthors=
ignored (|author=
suggested) (
help){{
cite book}}
: |editor=
has generic name (
help); |pages=
has extra text (
help); |volume=
has extra text (
help); Check |isbn=
value: length (
help)How would I cite a newsletter? Noahcs 01:07, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
No, its not a mailing list. Its a free, paper newsletter from a business. How would cite this? Noahcs 20:24, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
Has anyone found a citation that could work like this? (for example)
pp. 10-15
would not work. --
Huntster
T •
@ •
C
16:07, 30 November 2007 (UTC)pp. 10-15
or : pp. 10-15 The only problem I see is that if a developer comes up with a better cite method, then a bot or tool could update templates fairly readily. {{
rp}} is a hack, but so is the rest of the reference system. --—
Gadget850 (Ed)
talk -
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Which template should be used for magazine citation, for example, a video game review magazine? Thanks. – ARC Gritt TALK 11:51, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
Has anyone set up a quick method for putting EndNote references into a wikipedia citation? alteripse 17:21, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
Can somebody do a template or link for citing a patent. Thanks.-- Joewski 09:30, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
I frequently cite sources from NASA's ADS, which conveniently gives a bibtex entry for every source at a single click (e.g. http://adsabs.harvard.edu/cgi-bin/nph-bib_query?bibcode=1998A%26A...340..117L&data_type=BIBTEX&db_key=AST%26amp;nocookieset=1). Is there any simple way to integrate this into a wikipedia article? i.e. is there a template that I could just paste such an entry into? I'm afraid I'm not familiar enough with template creation to do this myself just yet. Thanks, Keflavich 17:21, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
{{
cite journal}}
: |pages=
has extra text (
help); Unknown parameter |coauthors=
ignored (|author=
suggested) (
help); Unknown parameter |month=
ignored (
help)One of the best things about BibTeX is (ahem) natbib! These wikipedia citation templates are re-inventing the wheel and BibTex and natbib (among other systems) have gone before. Eg, there is no template yet for a chapter in an edited book. The kind where the chapters are written by people other than the book editor(s). So maybe steal more ideas from them? -- 66.167.135.226 04:14, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
The templates are nice but it seems we should be able to paste one of them into an article under edit and verify it works using "show preview". This does not appear to be the case. Rtdrury 23:22, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
Please take a look at a template I created for citing booklet notes for CDs etc. I couldn't find a way to create these references using the pre-existing citation templates. I'm no template wizard, but if anyone wants to improve it please go ahead. The template is here: Template:Cite cd notes. Thanks! Grover cleveland 04:19, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
There seems to be some inconsistency between location and place parameters. Neither of these currently seems to work, but some examples use place while the template documentation uses location. -- Ott2 20:27, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
Is it possible and acceptable to make or use a reference which uses ASIN Amazon Standard Identification Numbers?
I am editing a topic which could be called "ethnic" , that is regarding an organisation based in a developing nation
There are numerous books published and available to purchase both new and especially vintage from a variety of publisher which are available and listed with an ASIN number but not with a ISBN number due to age or ethnicity
This would be very helpful , I think that ASIN has become an alternative index by default.........If anyone could help me make or propose such a citation template, I would appreciate it. Green108 12:06, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
Perhaps you can put a quick list of in the lead that land you at the right template for a selection of common source types, like a newspaper, a broadcast, an encyclopaedia, a novel, etc. And perhaps for a few often used sources too, like e.g. The New York Times, The Guardian, CNN, etc. These link would then land you at partially filled in templates, making citing them less work. Shinobu 17:44, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
I ran into a problem trying to cite an article by a person who uses a first name but no last name as a byline. The "first" parameter in the template was ignored. I tried putting the name in "last" instead and it seemed to work better.-- Larrybob 18:57, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
I know it is probably me doing something wrong. But I have looked and looked, and I have used this template hundreds of times before, but for some reason the ISBN won't link using the Cite Book Template in Ref 5 of East Gosford, New South Wales. Could somebody have a check please and tell me what I've done wrong. ..... Todd #661 11:14, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
Is there a way to cite an email? BlueAg09 ( Talk) 21:40, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
I find myself citing more and more annual reports in various topics and it would be good to have a template specifically for this purpose. Fields in such a cite template would be:
Would such a template be possible? -- Russavia 11:59, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
There is a mthod of referencing chapters in edited books but it is currently under the heading of "Encyclopedia" where it is not immediately obvious. Could someone looking after this page add this to the "Book" section. The problem is that the chapter and its title need to be credited with the author of that chapter and then the book and title need to be credited with the editors. -- CloudSurfer 21:28, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
What is the difference between "id = ISSN: 0343-6993" and "id = ISSN 0343-6993"? Both are used on the project page - perhaps one is in error. Nurg 23:52, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
Is there a template intended for such use? For example, when I refer to RFC 4098 in an article on the Border Gateway Protocol, there's apparently some formatting mechanism that recognizes the number and makes an external RFC reference, rather than quoting Berkowitz et al. as authors. Is there a way to use a Harvard Reference type to refer to pages in such a document?
Patents, government reports where there's no individual author, etc., have the same sort of problem.
Suggestions? Is there a template that I've missed? Howard C. Berkowitz 19:04, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
Should there be a template for Podcasts? Norm Donovan 15:16, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
I would like to propose the addition of an optional formatting parameter, which when used would make the cited reference in a bibliographical listing appear as a hanging indent if it wraps over multiple lines. Thus, the following listing:
A sample quotation- The rain in Spain stays mainly on the plain(in Spanish) (in Nahuatl languages) (in Mayan languages) A line of text which comes after the reference for some reason
{{
cite web}}
: Unknown parameter |coauthors=
ignored (|author=
suggested) (
help){{
cite book}}
: |editor=
has generic name (
help){{
cite book}}
: |access-date=
requires |url=
(
help); |format=
requires |url=
(
help); |pages=
has extra text (
help); External link in |chapterurl=
(
help); Unknown parameter |chapterurl=
ignored (|chapter-url=
suggested) (
help); Unknown parameter |coauthors=
ignored (|author=
suggested) (
help){{
cite web}}
: Unknown parameter |coauthors=
ignored (|author=
suggested) (
help); Unknown parameter |month=
ignored (
help)would appear formatted as:
Some more tests and examples using longer lists for formatting comparision may be viewed here.
Formatting in this way has the advantage of making it far easier to pick out the keyword (ie, the authors' names) when scanning down a bibliographical listing, when they would be undifferentiated otherwise. If you look around, most reference lists provide some sort of visual cue to make the keyword stand out, and I find this particularly useful and convenient with a lengthy listing.
The optional formatting parameter, let's call it hi, would be specified with a postive integer value that would determine the size (in em) of the indent's offset. The coding can be achieved thus (there may be some more efficient way):
{{#if: {{{hi|}}} |<div style="text-indent: -{{{hi|0}}}em; margin-left: {{{hi|0}}}em;">}} ...rest of template code... {{#if: {{{hi|}}} |</div>}}
AFAIK this would be browser-agnostic. The only minor drawback I've identified in testing is that if anything appears on the same line after the templated citation (typically language icons, or perhaps some annotative text), then that gets bumped to a new line:
However, this is readily fixed by also adding a |freetext= parameter, to include the text inside the <div></div>
tags:
For consistency, the |hi= parameter should be added to all of the "cite X" templates ({{ cite book}}, {{ cite web}}, etc).
I would like to implement this shortly, unless there are strenuous objections or someone can identify incompatibilities I haven't considered. Any comments, thoughts?-- cjllw ʘ TALK 04:28, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
<references/>
tag (
m:Cite/Cite.php), which generates a numbered list of the inline cites and footnotes captured between <ref></ref> tags. In fact, if you try to use it on citation templates that appear between <ref></ref> tags it causes the text to be offset on a line below where the corresponding auto-generated number appears.<references/>
). Some examples of articles whose cited references are set out this way are
Mayan languages,
Taiwanese aborigines,
Chunchucmil, and others which adopt the
'Notes and References' approach.{{<div style="text-indent: -{{{hi|5}}}em; margin-left: {{{hi|5}}}em;">}} ...rest of template code... </div>}}
re: the above, your closing }} pair follows the template expanded contents, so is correctly rendered as it's outside the div block you added, whereas your fix: 'freetext=' defines a new field within said block. GIGO principle! Ooops! (At least causality isn't being violated! That's some small comfort, I'm sure!) Cheers! // Fra nkB 16:01, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
<ref></ref>
tags, and this hanging indent feature is turned 'on'. As I alluded to earlier, the output generated by the <references/>
tag results in the reference citation appearing on a new line below the associated number. It would display like this:<references/>
tag, although its usefulness in formatting this output may be a little redundant. In principle it could be used on any bulleted list with long items, or indeed any general block(s) of text, if there were to be some reason to do so. But it does satisfy the purpose I originally had in mind, and so I'd propose using this method, and leaving the citation templates themselves unmolested.Thanks Huntster for picking that up, it seems that was attributable to a difference in how Firefox and MSIE treat the "attachment" of bullets to lists. I've now implemented a fix, so the problem in Firefox (& I presume other Gecko-based browsers) no longer occurs. In MSIE however the bullet now appears right up against the text, which may be sub-optimal. The whole issue can be avoided by using a non-bulleted list, which can readily be achieved by using a colon ( : ) instead of an asterisk ( * ) as the list item delimiter.
And thanks Ross, I've taken your suggestion on board and have amended the template doco to that effect. Cheers, -- cjllw ʘ TALK 00:48, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
I'd like to see a concerted effort to clean up the Category:Citation templates in two respects:
My problem with documentation is more minor, and generally one of a missing definition of parameter use and meaning. What, for example, is the accessdate field in {{ cite book}} or {{ cite visual}}. The day I'm looking up a particular phrase/viewed a particular documentary? What possible use is that going forward to anyone? Aren't the copyright dates and edition (where applicable) and page, et. al. sufficient? Best regards // Fra nkB 16:38, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
Last night it occured to me that a Wikipedia page sucking in the primary citation templates '/doc' pages would be a good idea... since it allows a comparison between selections from one place. The difference from the two current wikipedia pages would be that it would be a One-stop-shopping-plaza, as it were, for cutting and pasting a template one needs but doesn't normally need, so one needs to cut (N paste), etc.! Since t'would update automatically when the '/doc' page changes, would hardly ever need any maintenance editing. Just section title, followed by /doc pages invocations.
The result would be a page with a TOC by template name, allowing a jump-to and set up a shortcut to get there in a hurry when need to 'consult' with and select such a template. My suggestion would further be to place it in template space {{
Allcites}}
, perhaps, and include that page into (or not) any Wikipedia: page (Keeps the template categorizations fenced off). Substing such a shopping mall would be contraindicated as then requires overt maintenance edits to update and should be avoided. Cheers! //
Fra
nkB
18:22, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
Prior Conditional tests and section ...
{{#ifeq:{{PAGENAME}} <!--- This is a typical conditional block ---> | this page's name |<!-- case then == do nothing ---> OR code which only displays in compendium ... | current stuff, headings to OMIT when doc page is aggregated in this page name ... }}
Material common to both states follows (or precedes) the if block. ... Next Conditional tests and section
Echoing here a response on Hunsters talk, on the above. The doc page technique had nothing to do with getting conditional logic out of templates documentation--but enabled direct template documentation to be displayed where before it had been hidden on a talk page. However, that benefit is a side effect. The primary reason underlying the /doc pages was to reduce server loading requirements in two ways:
1) on widely used templates... someone would come in and make a trivial edit (Say add an interwiki) and if that template was widely used, the page caching had to re-render all the pages affected and renew the cache causing large surges in server processing demands, and great delays while the que was emptied again. In the /doc method, the documentation is walled off behind an noinclude block, so the only pages which need reprocessed if the /doc page changes are those linked directly to it--the template 'display' of help for the editor needing the information on how to apply the template.
2) At the same time (about 13 months back, iirc) the developers imposed a cap on the preprocessing memory allowed for expansion of all templates on a page. The /doc page with the same fence off, shrinks that need significantly, and eliminated a lot of problems on pages with a lot of template use (numbers count too).
It follows then, that complexity inside the doc page is irrelevant to those reasons, and is pretty trivial matter in any event. Most of our notice templates have far more complex structures (see below). //
Fra
nkB
Subsequent to the above and a couple of talk exchanges with Huntster, I stubbed up a working solution using four citation templates and essentially three methods trials. All involve creating a second smaller sub-page of the material to display on the compendium page as the best "Technical means" of keeping the same material on the usage pages as is to be displayed on the compendium page. The fourth implementation here is the simplest and easiest.
I would like to know the correct template and syntax to create a citation to a review of a film published in a journal. (That is, the review is published in the journal).
I know the following information about the review:
and I know the following about the film that was reviewed:
I cannot figure out how to use citation templates to create a reference to the review of the film. Any help will be appreciated— G716 < T· C> 05:48, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
{{cite journal |author=author's name |date=date of review |title=Name of film (review) |journal=journal name |volume=vol |issue=num |pages=pp}}
For templates, should the full version be used or the commonly used versions? Noahcs 00:27, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
I was wondering whether we should include the templates for CD notes, DVD notes, Executive Orders, Hansards, Interviews, Patents, Podcasts, Speeches, US Bills, Video games, or the Wayback Machine on this page? Noahcs 01:41, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
Obliviously they don't ALL have to be included, they were just some suggestions that I thought might need to be included. Now that I think about it, maybe just the more popular ones like Interviews and Speeches? Noahcs 00:51, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
On Template talk:Cite book the question of whether an overhaul of these templates is in order has been raised on several occasions, for example to simplify AND allow differing styles (phrases). A technique for determining where and when a particular field (param) has been suggested, suggesting BOT organized mass edits make any style overhaul feasible. See this, and the linked discussion from the top of that about one vexing problem (editor and or translator). // Fra nkB 20:38, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
Why isn't there a template listed for citing an article from an edited book? This happens frequently in book science and literary publications, that a book will consist of a collection of articles by various authors, but published under a single title and edited. -- EncycloPetey 18:38, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
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help)How would I cite a newsletter? Noahcs 01:07, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
No, its not a mailing list. Its a free, paper newsletter from a business. How would cite this? Noahcs 20:24, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
Has anyone found a citation that could work like this? (for example)
pp. 10-15
would not work. --
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16:07, 30 November 2007 (UTC)pp. 10-15
or : pp. 10-15 The only problem I see is that if a developer comes up with a better cite method, then a bot or tool could update templates fairly readily. {{
rp}} is a hack, but so is the rest of the reference system. --—
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