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Archive 1 | Archive 2 | Archive 3 | Archive 4 | Archive 5 | Archive 6 | → | Archive 10 |
Older discussions moved to Wikipedia_talk:Categories_for_deletion/old.
Not so old discussions moved to Wikipedia_talk:Categories_for_deletion/old2.
Even less old discussions moved to Wikipedia_talk:Categories_for_deletion/old3.
See Wikipedia talk:Category titles for the current discussion involving future category structures and naming. This pertains to, but is not limited to: "<Foo> by Country", Abbreviated country titles, US versus American, Continents, Formal names versus common names, etc.. Thank you. ∞ Who ?¿? 02:10, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
In a post a few sections up, I mentioned the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Votes for undeletion#The scope of VfU. That proposal received support from those who commented. The idea is to extend the scope of VfU to include the examination of disputed non-delete outcomes and provide a community-based forum for review.
There is now a further proposal to clarify how the new system will work. Please comment on both aspect at Wikipedia:Votes for undeletion/Deletion review proposal, thanks. - Splash talk 01:31, 29 September 2005 (UTC)
This page is called "categories for deletion" but deletion is only one of the things it is for. I suggest it should be renamed "Categories for deletion or amendment". Osomec 11:01, 29 September 2005 (UTC)
Speedy renaming has an even higher rate of inappropriate entries than I expected. What an unnecessary mess CalJW 19:58, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
As what I have suggested in the CFM discussion, I have modified category:institutions according to the definitions in the institution article. I would like to have the assistance from different people to reorganise the subcategories of category:institutions by country according to institution. Thanks. — Insta ntnood 07:10, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
As I see from Instantnood's intentions, you may be looking for " category:Social institutions" (it turns out someone else created it, empty, a while ago), which may be further subdivided in category:Informal institutions (ethics, justice) category:Formalized institutions (marriage, law, government). Since this is a pretty high-level category, any additions into it must be discussed at its Category talk:Social institutions page. mikka (t) 19:00, 4 October 2005 (UTC) (taken from Mikka's comment at the Cfd page [1])
These were discussed previously at Wikipedia:Centralized discussion/Speedy category renaming but I am reproposing them and modifying them slightly as it's possible too much time has elapsed to list them as criteria. Hiding talk 11:04, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
In category names, any instances of abbreviated country names should be expanded: for example, US or U.S. in reference to the United States should be renamed to the United States; instances of UK or U.K. should be renamed to the United Kingdom, instances of U.S.S.R or USSR should be renamed to the Soviet Union.
In accordance with Wikipedia:Naming conventions (categories)#How to name the country, which states: the name of the country should appear as it does in the name of of the article about that country, any instances of abbreviated country names should thus be so expanded: for example, US or U.S. in reference to the United States should be renamed to the United States; instances of UK or U.K. should be renamed to the United Kingdom, instances of U.S.S.R or USSR should be renamed to the Soviet Union.
This proposal is as per Wikipedia:Manual of Style: When including the United States in a list of countries, do not abbreviate the United States. (e.g. "France and the United States", not "France and the U.S.. Since categorisation is a form of listing by country, as sub-categories are displayed as a list in parent categories, this policy should apply here.
Strong oppose This is represented as a non-controversial issue, but it actually touches on the most controversial issue in categorisation, ie. the "American" / "United States" people issue. Under this policy category:U.S. businesspeople could be speedy renamed as United States businesspeople when many people strongly prefer category:American businesspeople. There may be other sensitive cases, and there have been considerable and quite recent objections to such changes. Thus this is highly inappropriate as a speedy criterion. CalJW 09:59, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
This is a clause from Wikipedia:Categorization of people. It was previously debated as "Famous" people and "Controversial" people or things.
The proposal is:
This follows from Wikipedia:Naming conventions#Lists which states: Convention: Put a list of Xs as list of Xs, rather than Xs, famous Xs, listing of important Xs, list of noted Xs, list of all Xs, etc. See wikipedia:list.
And from the afore mentioned Wikipedia:Categorization of people, which reads: Some categories can be used in a stigmatizing way; always try to find the most neutral and/or generic name.
Would the discussion pages of categories be moved accordingly after the corresponding categories are renamed? Or would they be kept (for record) if the corresponding categories are deleted? — Insta ntnood 18:26, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
...over at Wikipedia talk:Criteria for speedy deletion/Archive 5#Criteria for categories. An opportunity (imo) to dispose of the speedy-if-empty-for-an-indeterminable-period rules that have caused unfortunate happenstances at times. - Splash talk 01:56, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
I have been considering adding a small note or banner to Recent Changes page to invite users to help with CFD Cleanup. Though I would prefer to propose it first, not sure where to do that, or to advertise that users are definately needed to help with cleanup. I've been out of town, just got back today, and been totally swamped, so there are plenty of articles to move. All this talk of editcountitis, I think this is your chance to boost yours :) ∞ Who ?¿? 03:15, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
A "whobot" is busy switching people from the "House of Plantagenet" category to a "House of Anjou" category, referencing the categories for deletion page. Yet I cannot find any discussion of this rather peculiar choice there. Where can one find any mention of moving "House of Plantagenet" to "House of Anjou"? Did it occur to no one that "House of Plantagenet" is a subset of the First "House of Anjou" and that Plantagenet kings are usually referred to as Plantagenets, or, if referencing their connection to France, an "Angevin Dynasty"? We shouldn't be needlessly confusing, and we should use the more specific category. - Nunh-huh 23:48, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
Thanks. These should really remain linked from the CFD template while bots are working. The decision seems to have been made on the basis that a foolish consistency is better than clarity in categorization. - Nunh-huh 00:16, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
It wasn't listed on the page linked to today, when whobot was making the changes, and no, I couldn't find it, which is why I asked, and you'd have had trouble finding it too if you hadn't already known where it was. - Nunh-huh 01:07, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
The current templates used with this page do not take into account the per-day scheme, and the links go bad when the article goes off the main page. Does anyone lese thing this needs to be fixed? Templates to update would include
I don't know if it would be better to update these or make new ones, as per template:cfdud. -- ssd 15:31, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
I think the cat name is cofusing: is it about societies that have chapter in different countries or societies of international students (those with f1 or j1 visa in the US). However, I cannot come up with a rename. Can you help?
P.s. I know it's not the greatest place to post it, but, well... Renata3 03:36, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
I find that Basque symbols has been moved to Category:Basque cultural icons with a note by User:Whobot of Cleanup per WP:CFD (moving Category:Basque_symbols to Category:Basque_cultural_icons)) but I don't find anything about it in 2005-08-03. -- Error 00:15, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
Somehow this just looks wrong. Should the few that look like this in Category:Lists of rivers be renamed? Not sure that something is wrong, it's just that the double 'of' looks odd. Vegaswikian 05:47, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
CalJW removed this criteria from Wikipedia:Categories for deletion
I thought it had gained consensus both on this page and at Wikipedia talk:Centralized discussion/Speedy category renaming. There already exists guideline and policy to the effect that abbreviation should be avoided, as stated when I proposed this criterion. How do we move this on in a way that avoids a revert war. I don't quite understand the objection that it actually touches on the most controversial issue in categorisation, ie. the "American" / "United States" people issue. This renaming does not engage in that area since the controversy will exist regardless of whether it is U.S. or United States. Nowhere does this policy attempt to state that United States should be preferred over U.S., and I woould appreciate other people's thoughts on this, and also on the correct procedure for debating the removal of a criterion. Can one simply remove any part of policy one does not like, or must there be debate and a consensus arrived at first? CalJW's other objection, that a speedy renaming under this move would prevent another renaming also seems flawed to me. Surely that would also apply to any typo in a bad name. Should we thus remove criteria number 1? If a bad name exists, it will be caught whether it has been speedied under this criteria or not, indeed, one could argue that listing it here for speedying would enhance the chance that it is spotted. Hiding talk 11:59, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
There has been a request to rename a category which links to this page. Unfortunately, the reflex action to simply call for a deletion when the request was for a rename calls for this category itself to be renamed: The template said "This category has been nominated for renaming" while the link comes here to CFD. Thus the category has been somehow augmented to Deletion or Renaming. Please consider renaming this category itself.
My motivation is that the Category:Reference is being considered for renaming to another name. Now it is subject to a vote for Deletion as well! Can you imagine how this will be received if it becomes known that the encyclopedists here do not consider "Reference" to be part of an encyclopedia? The Reference section of a Public Library includes Encyclopedias, Atlases, Who's Who, and other works typically too valuable to loan out. Thus there is a precedent for mirroring the operation of a Library, just like the Reference Desk section of a Library. Ancheta Wis 06:43, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
I have upated the CSD policy page based on a prior discussion, or the lack of opposition to. I have set the minimum time for empty categories to 72 hours, and a new sub rule that it doesn't apply to categories currently listed on CFD. Reasoning:
Any comments appreciated. «» Who ?¿? meta 23:23, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
The instructions say to put {{ cfm}} on the category page proposed to be merged from. This template text includes "...nominated for merging into Category Y". (my bolding). Is there a corresponding template for the target category to say something like "Category X has been nominated to be merged into this category. Please see that page's entry on the categories for deletion and renaming page for the proposal, justification, and discussion." ? -- Scott Davis Talk 01:54, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
The link with the name this page's entry on Template:Cfr links to [[Wikipedia:Categories for deletion#old category to new category]]. However, that is not the place where the discussion is situated when following the procedure described on this page. According to that procedure, the discussion is placed at [[Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/[current date]#old category to new category]]. I'm a little confused and I hope I didn't get this all wrong. -- j. 'mach' wust | ✍ 23:29, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
Can someone look at the sub cats in Category:Parks? I think these should be renamed to Parks of Foo if I understand the convention. I'm not sure so would like a more experienced editor to comment or make the recommendation. Vegaswikian 07:14, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
Any objections to removing the list of all items on SFD from here? I think that everybody who needs to know about SFD already knows it, so no point in listing everything twice. R adiant _>|< 17:37, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
Many of the most disputed listings on CfD are combined categories like ( Category:Gay, lesbian or bisexual people + Category:Murderers →) Category:LGBT murderers. If we ask nicely, maybe we can persuade our wonderful developers to create a new tool for category pages. This tool would allow users to search a category for articles that are also members of another category. For example, specifying Category:Murderers in Category:Gay, lesbian or bisexual people would list all the people who are GLB and have been convicted of murder. This would return Aileen Wuornos among others. Guan aco 20:07, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
I've created something that looks like template:oldvfd/ template:oldafd See
I think this would be useful, as sometimes I'd like to know about past CfDs - 132.205.44.134 20:11, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
The recently created cats Category:Pop songs of the 2000 zeroes, Category:Pop songs of the 1970's, Category:Pop songs of the 1980's, and Category:Pop songs of the 1990's don't seem OK as is, but I don't know if they should just be renamed to match the standard decades format (EG Category:Pop songs of the 1990s to match 1990s, Category:Pop songs of the 2000s to match 2000s, etc.), or deleted as redundant with Category:1991 songs, Category:1992 songs, etc., (or deleted for other reasons, such as potential size) and the CfD instructions don't seem to allow for 'multiple possible outcome' nominations. Any suggestions? Anybody want to take over driving this issue? 24.17.48.241 06:55, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
I have just added two categories but I don't want either of them to be deleted. Please can the page be renamed? I see no counter arguments in the previous discussion that amount to more than a defense of inertia. Sumahoy 17:05, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
Category:Victims of Nazi justice is category with a too large scope, it's not well defined
Wikipedia:Requests for adminship seems to make use of some good ideas that CFD would be improved by. Specifically, a) have each nomination in its own template, rather than lumped in with an entire day's worth of templates, to make watching a particular category easier, and b) having subsections for support/oppose (or in CFD's case keep/rename/merge/delete), with people using separate
number of votes for each side effortless. — Simetrical ( talk) 03:11, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
It's a somewhat fuzzy vote that involves discussion. Part of the process is that if consensus is not reached, the category is kept. The degree of consensus is determined almost entirely by how many people say "support" vs. "oppose", therefore it's a vote with a supermajority requirement and some leeway under unusual circumstances (e.g., perhaps if one side has only 50% of the vote but debates their point extensively, while the other side makes no comments on their reasoning).
But that part is academic. I'm not a frequent contributor to this particular page, so I guess if you tried that but decided to stop consensus must be against it. (I can't see why, though—you can thread comments easily enough in numbered lists. But whatever.) — Simetrical ( talk) 03:41, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
Anyone running a bot that could help out with CFD cleanup, please see Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion#To_be_emptied_or_moved. We've got quite a backlog that needs to be taken care of. Thanks in advance. -- Kbdank71 18:55, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
The subcategories of Category:American people by national origin are totally inconsistent over hyphenation. Which form is correct? The rest will need to be changed. -- TimPope 18:00, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
There has been some recent abuse with {{ categoryredirect}}. Under further consideration, I believe that the feature should be restricted to sysops or bureaucrats who were the last one to edit. (Under the premise that the last edit was made to add the categoryredirect template, and no one should be really adding anything else other than to correct vandalism... in which case, most vandalism is reverted by an admin anyway...) NekoDaemon will generate a list of categories that were skipped due the fact that the last edit was not made by a sysop or a bureaucrat. Questions? Thoughts? Comments? -- AllyUnion (talk) 13:01, 25 December 2005 (UTC) (P.S. I'll take that a week of silence is an indication that no one cares, and I'll proceed with the changes. -- AllyUnion (talk) 13:06, 25 December 2005 (UTC))
I am not talking about either of you, specifically, but there has been incidents of vandals using the category redirect without a CFD discussion. In regards to the suggestion for using CFD to move stuff for deletion or some kind of tool for the bot to make a high speed edit in removing, moving, etc the category, I am willing to create such a feature, but I'm thinking using it based on a restriction (like you have to have a sysop flag) would be better. And I had indicated in the past that was an unintended side effect anyway. -- AllyUnion (talk) 02:25, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
Is there a tag that could be placed on a category that is currently being moved? The reason I ask is that I was doing a category move as part of WP:SFD and someone slapped a {{ merge}} tag on both categories and added a note to the talk page of the assocated template.
If I could have added a tag that said something like "The contents of this category are currently being moved to category:x" it might have helped matters.
So, does such a thing exist? If not, would it be OK if I created one along the same lines as {{ cfm}}? -- TheParanoidOne 11:45, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 | Archive 2 | Archive 3 | Archive 4 | Archive 5 | Archive 6 | → | Archive 10 |
Older discussions moved to Wikipedia_talk:Categories_for_deletion/old.
Not so old discussions moved to Wikipedia_talk:Categories_for_deletion/old2.
Even less old discussions moved to Wikipedia_talk:Categories_for_deletion/old3.
See Wikipedia talk:Category titles for the current discussion involving future category structures and naming. This pertains to, but is not limited to: "<Foo> by Country", Abbreviated country titles, US versus American, Continents, Formal names versus common names, etc.. Thank you. ∞ Who ?¿? 02:10, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
In a post a few sections up, I mentioned the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Votes for undeletion#The scope of VfU. That proposal received support from those who commented. The idea is to extend the scope of VfU to include the examination of disputed non-delete outcomes and provide a community-based forum for review.
There is now a further proposal to clarify how the new system will work. Please comment on both aspect at Wikipedia:Votes for undeletion/Deletion review proposal, thanks. - Splash talk 01:31, 29 September 2005 (UTC)
This page is called "categories for deletion" but deletion is only one of the things it is for. I suggest it should be renamed "Categories for deletion or amendment". Osomec 11:01, 29 September 2005 (UTC)
Speedy renaming has an even higher rate of inappropriate entries than I expected. What an unnecessary mess CalJW 19:58, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
As what I have suggested in the CFM discussion, I have modified category:institutions according to the definitions in the institution article. I would like to have the assistance from different people to reorganise the subcategories of category:institutions by country according to institution. Thanks. — Insta ntnood 07:10, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
As I see from Instantnood's intentions, you may be looking for " category:Social institutions" (it turns out someone else created it, empty, a while ago), which may be further subdivided in category:Informal institutions (ethics, justice) category:Formalized institutions (marriage, law, government). Since this is a pretty high-level category, any additions into it must be discussed at its Category talk:Social institutions page. mikka (t) 19:00, 4 October 2005 (UTC) (taken from Mikka's comment at the Cfd page [1])
These were discussed previously at Wikipedia:Centralized discussion/Speedy category renaming but I am reproposing them and modifying them slightly as it's possible too much time has elapsed to list them as criteria. Hiding talk 11:04, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
In category names, any instances of abbreviated country names should be expanded: for example, US or U.S. in reference to the United States should be renamed to the United States; instances of UK or U.K. should be renamed to the United Kingdom, instances of U.S.S.R or USSR should be renamed to the Soviet Union.
In accordance with Wikipedia:Naming conventions (categories)#How to name the country, which states: the name of the country should appear as it does in the name of of the article about that country, any instances of abbreviated country names should thus be so expanded: for example, US or U.S. in reference to the United States should be renamed to the United States; instances of UK or U.K. should be renamed to the United Kingdom, instances of U.S.S.R or USSR should be renamed to the Soviet Union.
This proposal is as per Wikipedia:Manual of Style: When including the United States in a list of countries, do not abbreviate the United States. (e.g. "France and the United States", not "France and the U.S.. Since categorisation is a form of listing by country, as sub-categories are displayed as a list in parent categories, this policy should apply here.
Strong oppose This is represented as a non-controversial issue, but it actually touches on the most controversial issue in categorisation, ie. the "American" / "United States" people issue. Under this policy category:U.S. businesspeople could be speedy renamed as United States businesspeople when many people strongly prefer category:American businesspeople. There may be other sensitive cases, and there have been considerable and quite recent objections to such changes. Thus this is highly inappropriate as a speedy criterion. CalJW 09:59, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
This is a clause from Wikipedia:Categorization of people. It was previously debated as "Famous" people and "Controversial" people or things.
The proposal is:
This follows from Wikipedia:Naming conventions#Lists which states: Convention: Put a list of Xs as list of Xs, rather than Xs, famous Xs, listing of important Xs, list of noted Xs, list of all Xs, etc. See wikipedia:list.
And from the afore mentioned Wikipedia:Categorization of people, which reads: Some categories can be used in a stigmatizing way; always try to find the most neutral and/or generic name.
Would the discussion pages of categories be moved accordingly after the corresponding categories are renamed? Or would they be kept (for record) if the corresponding categories are deleted? — Insta ntnood 18:26, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
...over at Wikipedia talk:Criteria for speedy deletion/Archive 5#Criteria for categories. An opportunity (imo) to dispose of the speedy-if-empty-for-an-indeterminable-period rules that have caused unfortunate happenstances at times. - Splash talk 01:56, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
I have been considering adding a small note or banner to Recent Changes page to invite users to help with CFD Cleanup. Though I would prefer to propose it first, not sure where to do that, or to advertise that users are definately needed to help with cleanup. I've been out of town, just got back today, and been totally swamped, so there are plenty of articles to move. All this talk of editcountitis, I think this is your chance to boost yours :) ∞ Who ?¿? 03:15, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
A "whobot" is busy switching people from the "House of Plantagenet" category to a "House of Anjou" category, referencing the categories for deletion page. Yet I cannot find any discussion of this rather peculiar choice there. Where can one find any mention of moving "House of Plantagenet" to "House of Anjou"? Did it occur to no one that "House of Plantagenet" is a subset of the First "House of Anjou" and that Plantagenet kings are usually referred to as Plantagenets, or, if referencing their connection to France, an "Angevin Dynasty"? We shouldn't be needlessly confusing, and we should use the more specific category. - Nunh-huh 23:48, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
Thanks. These should really remain linked from the CFD template while bots are working. The decision seems to have been made on the basis that a foolish consistency is better than clarity in categorization. - Nunh-huh 00:16, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
It wasn't listed on the page linked to today, when whobot was making the changes, and no, I couldn't find it, which is why I asked, and you'd have had trouble finding it too if you hadn't already known where it was. - Nunh-huh 01:07, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
The current templates used with this page do not take into account the per-day scheme, and the links go bad when the article goes off the main page. Does anyone lese thing this needs to be fixed? Templates to update would include
I don't know if it would be better to update these or make new ones, as per template:cfdud. -- ssd 15:31, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
I think the cat name is cofusing: is it about societies that have chapter in different countries or societies of international students (those with f1 or j1 visa in the US). However, I cannot come up with a rename. Can you help?
P.s. I know it's not the greatest place to post it, but, well... Renata3 03:36, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
I find that Basque symbols has been moved to Category:Basque cultural icons with a note by User:Whobot of Cleanup per WP:CFD (moving Category:Basque_symbols to Category:Basque_cultural_icons)) but I don't find anything about it in 2005-08-03. -- Error 00:15, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
Somehow this just looks wrong. Should the few that look like this in Category:Lists of rivers be renamed? Not sure that something is wrong, it's just that the double 'of' looks odd. Vegaswikian 05:47, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
CalJW removed this criteria from Wikipedia:Categories for deletion
I thought it had gained consensus both on this page and at Wikipedia talk:Centralized discussion/Speedy category renaming. There already exists guideline and policy to the effect that abbreviation should be avoided, as stated when I proposed this criterion. How do we move this on in a way that avoids a revert war. I don't quite understand the objection that it actually touches on the most controversial issue in categorisation, ie. the "American" / "United States" people issue. This renaming does not engage in that area since the controversy will exist regardless of whether it is U.S. or United States. Nowhere does this policy attempt to state that United States should be preferred over U.S., and I woould appreciate other people's thoughts on this, and also on the correct procedure for debating the removal of a criterion. Can one simply remove any part of policy one does not like, or must there be debate and a consensus arrived at first? CalJW's other objection, that a speedy renaming under this move would prevent another renaming also seems flawed to me. Surely that would also apply to any typo in a bad name. Should we thus remove criteria number 1? If a bad name exists, it will be caught whether it has been speedied under this criteria or not, indeed, one could argue that listing it here for speedying would enhance the chance that it is spotted. Hiding talk 11:59, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
There has been a request to rename a category which links to this page. Unfortunately, the reflex action to simply call for a deletion when the request was for a rename calls for this category itself to be renamed: The template said "This category has been nominated for renaming" while the link comes here to CFD. Thus the category has been somehow augmented to Deletion or Renaming. Please consider renaming this category itself.
My motivation is that the Category:Reference is being considered for renaming to another name. Now it is subject to a vote for Deletion as well! Can you imagine how this will be received if it becomes known that the encyclopedists here do not consider "Reference" to be part of an encyclopedia? The Reference section of a Public Library includes Encyclopedias, Atlases, Who's Who, and other works typically too valuable to loan out. Thus there is a precedent for mirroring the operation of a Library, just like the Reference Desk section of a Library. Ancheta Wis 06:43, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
I have upated the CSD policy page based on a prior discussion, or the lack of opposition to. I have set the minimum time for empty categories to 72 hours, and a new sub rule that it doesn't apply to categories currently listed on CFD. Reasoning:
Any comments appreciated. «» Who ?¿? meta 23:23, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
The instructions say to put {{ cfm}} on the category page proposed to be merged from. This template text includes "...nominated for merging into Category Y". (my bolding). Is there a corresponding template for the target category to say something like "Category X has been nominated to be merged into this category. Please see that page's entry on the categories for deletion and renaming page for the proposal, justification, and discussion." ? -- Scott Davis Talk 01:54, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
The link with the name this page's entry on Template:Cfr links to [[Wikipedia:Categories for deletion#old category to new category]]. However, that is not the place where the discussion is situated when following the procedure described on this page. According to that procedure, the discussion is placed at [[Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/[current date]#old category to new category]]. I'm a little confused and I hope I didn't get this all wrong. -- j. 'mach' wust | ✍ 23:29, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
Can someone look at the sub cats in Category:Parks? I think these should be renamed to Parks of Foo if I understand the convention. I'm not sure so would like a more experienced editor to comment or make the recommendation. Vegaswikian 07:14, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
Any objections to removing the list of all items on SFD from here? I think that everybody who needs to know about SFD already knows it, so no point in listing everything twice. R adiant _>|< 17:37, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
Many of the most disputed listings on CfD are combined categories like ( Category:Gay, lesbian or bisexual people + Category:Murderers →) Category:LGBT murderers. If we ask nicely, maybe we can persuade our wonderful developers to create a new tool for category pages. This tool would allow users to search a category for articles that are also members of another category. For example, specifying Category:Murderers in Category:Gay, lesbian or bisexual people would list all the people who are GLB and have been convicted of murder. This would return Aileen Wuornos among others. Guan aco 20:07, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
I've created something that looks like template:oldvfd/ template:oldafd See
I think this would be useful, as sometimes I'd like to know about past CfDs - 132.205.44.134 20:11, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
The recently created cats Category:Pop songs of the 2000 zeroes, Category:Pop songs of the 1970's, Category:Pop songs of the 1980's, and Category:Pop songs of the 1990's don't seem OK as is, but I don't know if they should just be renamed to match the standard decades format (EG Category:Pop songs of the 1990s to match 1990s, Category:Pop songs of the 2000s to match 2000s, etc.), or deleted as redundant with Category:1991 songs, Category:1992 songs, etc., (or deleted for other reasons, such as potential size) and the CfD instructions don't seem to allow for 'multiple possible outcome' nominations. Any suggestions? Anybody want to take over driving this issue? 24.17.48.241 06:55, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
I have just added two categories but I don't want either of them to be deleted. Please can the page be renamed? I see no counter arguments in the previous discussion that amount to more than a defense of inertia. Sumahoy 17:05, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
Category:Victims of Nazi justice is category with a too large scope, it's not well defined
Wikipedia:Requests for adminship seems to make use of some good ideas that CFD would be improved by. Specifically, a) have each nomination in its own template, rather than lumped in with an entire day's worth of templates, to make watching a particular category easier, and b) having subsections for support/oppose (or in CFD's case keep/rename/merge/delete), with people using separate
number of votes for each side effortless. — Simetrical ( talk) 03:11, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
It's a somewhat fuzzy vote that involves discussion. Part of the process is that if consensus is not reached, the category is kept. The degree of consensus is determined almost entirely by how many people say "support" vs. "oppose", therefore it's a vote with a supermajority requirement and some leeway under unusual circumstances (e.g., perhaps if one side has only 50% of the vote but debates their point extensively, while the other side makes no comments on their reasoning).
But that part is academic. I'm not a frequent contributor to this particular page, so I guess if you tried that but decided to stop consensus must be against it. (I can't see why, though—you can thread comments easily enough in numbered lists. But whatever.) — Simetrical ( talk) 03:41, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
Anyone running a bot that could help out with CFD cleanup, please see Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion#To_be_emptied_or_moved. We've got quite a backlog that needs to be taken care of. Thanks in advance. -- Kbdank71 18:55, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
The subcategories of Category:American people by national origin are totally inconsistent over hyphenation. Which form is correct? The rest will need to be changed. -- TimPope 18:00, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
There has been some recent abuse with {{ categoryredirect}}. Under further consideration, I believe that the feature should be restricted to sysops or bureaucrats who were the last one to edit. (Under the premise that the last edit was made to add the categoryredirect template, and no one should be really adding anything else other than to correct vandalism... in which case, most vandalism is reverted by an admin anyway...) NekoDaemon will generate a list of categories that were skipped due the fact that the last edit was not made by a sysop or a bureaucrat. Questions? Thoughts? Comments? -- AllyUnion (talk) 13:01, 25 December 2005 (UTC) (P.S. I'll take that a week of silence is an indication that no one cares, and I'll proceed with the changes. -- AllyUnion (talk) 13:06, 25 December 2005 (UTC))
I am not talking about either of you, specifically, but there has been incidents of vandals using the category redirect without a CFD discussion. In regards to the suggestion for using CFD to move stuff for deletion or some kind of tool for the bot to make a high speed edit in removing, moving, etc the category, I am willing to create such a feature, but I'm thinking using it based on a restriction (like you have to have a sysop flag) would be better. And I had indicated in the past that was an unintended side effect anyway. -- AllyUnion (talk) 02:25, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
Is there a tag that could be placed on a category that is currently being moved? The reason I ask is that I was doing a category move as part of WP:SFD and someone slapped a {{ merge}} tag on both categories and added a note to the talk page of the assocated template.
If I could have added a tag that said something like "The contents of this category are currently being moved to category:x" it might have helped matters.
So, does such a thing exist? If not, would it be OK if I created one along the same lines as {{ cfm}}? -- TheParanoidOne 11:45, 27 December 2005 (UTC)