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There seems to be a lot of support for this feature; I have therefore set up a separate specification page, and moved the discussion from the bot request page to here.
I have chosen the name "Article alerts" rather than "WikiProject News", because the latter sounds more like a WikiProject that deals with news services or the like. Still, it's not the ideal name because the feature would possibly include alerts for non-article pages (e.g. templates) as well. Comments are welcome. -- B. Wolterding ( talk) 09:28, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
I got the idea a while ago when updating the Wikipedia:WikiProject Physics/Current activity page. It would be very useful to have a bot going around Wikipedia every day and update these lists automatically.
What it would need to check (IMO)
A useful parameter would be something to specify that the first X number of articles in each sections are to be transcluded so very active Wikiprojects can have a "Current Activity" section that's of reasonable length on their main page.
It would also be nice if such a bot would produce short messages similar to those on the Wikipedia:WikiProject Physics/Current activity to tell people who nominated, to congratulate when their articles passed, link to the article talk page when it failed, etc... Headbomb { ταλκ – WP Physics: PotW} 13:13, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
Well considering I "run" WikiProject physics, I guess we could say that there's at least that one that's interested. Headbomb { ταλκ – WP Physics: PotW} 21:08, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
I had posted at Wikipedia_talk:Canadian_Wikipedians'_notice_board#Automate_Deletion_sorting_to_Candidates_for_Deletiona week ago about how it would be great it would be if our articles nominated for deletion list could be updated by a bot. I was waiting for more of a community response of support before coming here or approaching Maelgwnbot directly to have this automated. I think having the above workflows automated is even better. As shown over at Wikipedia:Australian_Wikipedians'_notice_board/AfD, this type of programming can be done. DigitalC ( talk) 12:54, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
We've just had an editor on WP:Anglicanism complain taht many of "his" Anglican articles are being afd'd and so on, so wider notificaiton to the project would probably be useful. I glance at AFD from time to time, but a more focused idea of articles of interest would be useful. David Underdown ( talk) 14:30, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
I can definitely see this being using in WikiProject Video Games, among others. Would there be any breakdown by Task Force with this as well? -- MASEM 15:07, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
Yes please! This would definitely be useful to WikiProject Aircraft, and probably our parent the Aviation WikiProject. -- Rlandmann ( talk) 19:42, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
Agree. Would be very nice for wp:ships to know when someone has nominated something project related for deletion or review. Has happened to us several times in the past where we were never aware of the nominations. -- Brad ( talk) 03:23, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
Can't speak for everyone at Wikipedia:WikiProject Plants, but I like this idea. We tend to hear about such things in a manual way, but a bot would be less likely to miss things. Because the bot would only tell us about articles tagged with our wikiproject, I don't really see a problem with seeing irrelevant information, and the volume of information should also be manageable, I would think. I'll leave it to others to discuss what is feasible from a technical point of view. Kingdon ( talk) 04:04, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
My impression is that the plan is to make something like Wikipedia:WikiProject Mathematics/Current activity for other wikiprojects. That table isn't hard to make, it just requires a list of the articles that are "in" the relevant project, and the contents of various maintenance categories.
WP 1.0 bot can help by providing an API to get the list of articles that are assessed by a wikiproject. That would greatly simplify the alert bot code, since it won't need to worry about the structure of the WP 1.0 categories, and won't have to spend the (long) time needed to download the lists of category contents to make the project lists. Since WP 1.0 bot already has all the project data, it's trivial to write a program to access it. I wrote one simple interface that you can currently access at http://tools.kiwix.org/~oleg/cgi-bin/wp/project-list.cgi?project=Aesthetics%7CMathematics I can change the output format if the line-based format isn't convenient. — Carl ( CBM · talk) 12:21, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
By the way, you may notice that the math current activity only updates certain things every three days. User:Jitse Niesen, who runs that bot, says that this is because it takes too long to download the contents of the corresponding categories. I haven't tried it myself now that the API is available, but it's always good to know what other people have already found. — Carl ( CBM · talk) 12:23, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
I am a bit pokey for the discussion, but we would appreciate notification via this type of bot for the WP SK newsletter, if it was going ahead. Was just going to try to modify AlexNewArtBot today myself for the purpose of finding tagged SK articles, but knowing which articles are being improved via talk pages would also be enormously helpful! SriMesh | talk 01:05, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
WikiProject Comics would also be interested in the features you could offer here. Thanks for your work in even looking into this, it would be a great feature. Hiding T 08:08, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
WP:CHICAGO has been doing this by hand for a long time at Wikipedia:WikiProject Chicago/Discussions and we are very interested in an automated procedure. The bot should also catch reviews such as WP:FAR, WP:GAR and maybe {{ prod}}, BTW.
The bot may also want to have someclean up features. Billy Pierce was promoted to WP:GA on July 19, but no one noticed that the templates were not updated to class=GA until today. Can the bot correct such problems?-- TonyTheTiger ( t/ c/ bio/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:LOTM) 14:52, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
I noticed a comment about that on the main side of this page. When an article is added to a category, a timestamp is recorded, which the API will return along with the category contents. I found that it's not hard to use that timestamp to get the revision info, including the user and edit summary. The api query parameters are:
'action' => 'query', 'prop' => 'revisions', 'titles' => encode("utf8", $article) 'rvprop' => 'ids|flags|timestamp|user|size|comment', 'rvstart' => $timestamp, 'rvlimit' => '1'
This requires one query per article+category on the API, which is somewhat impractical. If you use the toolserver, you can probably get the data by just making a join against the revision table. — Carl ( CBM · talk) 03:20, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
The mw:Revision table is available, which has all the metadata. The only thing that isn't available is the actual page contents. It turns out the timestamp format is a little different between the mw:categorylinks table and the revision table, so the query looks simething like this:
select page_title, cl_to, rev_timestamp, rev_user_text, rev_comment from page join categorylinks on page_id = cl_from join revision on cl_from = rev_page and date_format(cl_timestamp, '%Y%m%d%H%i%s') = rev_timestamp where page_namespace = 0 and page_title = 'Fern' limit 10;
This gives the following output:
| page_title | cl_to | rev_timestamp | rev_user_text | rev_comment | Fern | All_articles_with_unsourced_statements | 20080314023116 | Thedjatclubrock | Reverted edits by [[Special:Contributions/69.23.85.82|69.23.85.82]] ([[User talk:69.23.85.82|talk]]) to last version by Co mpwhizii | | Fern | Articles_with_unsourced_statements_since_April_2008 | 20080610153604 | Philip Trueman | Reverted edits by [[Special:Contributions/75.144.179.201|75.144.179.201]] ([[User talk:75.144.179.201|talk]]) to last vers ion by 68.84.66.102 | | Fern | Articles_with_unsourced_statements_since_June_2007 | 20080314023116 | Thedjatclubrock | Reverted edits by [[Special:Contributions/69.23.85.82|69.23.85.82]] ([[User talk:69.23.85.82|talk]]) to last version by Co mpwhizii | | Fern | Cleanup_from_January_2008 | 20080314023116 | Thedjatclubrock | Reverted edits by [[Special:Contributions/69.23.85.82|69.23.85.82]] ([[User talk:69.23.85.82|talk]]) to last version by Co mpwhizii | | Fern | Pages_with_DOIs_broken_since_2008 | 20080626001428 | DOI bot | Citation maintenance. Added: doi_brokendate. You can [[WP:DOI|use this bot]] yourself! Please [[User:DOI_bot/bugs|report any bugs]]. | | Fern | Pteridophyta | 20080806205047 | Gadfium | restore l ink; see [[User_talk:EncycloPetey#Te_Ara_links]] | | Fern | Wikipedia_laundry_list_cleanup | 20080314023116 | Thedjatclubrock | Reverted edits by [[Special:Contributions/69.23.85.82|69.23.85.82]] ([[User talk:69.23.85.82|talk]]) to last version by Co mpwhizii | 7 rows in set (0.03 sec)
— Carl ( CBM · talk) 15:10, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
At WP:CHIAA we now have two templates at the top of the page. Can you make your bot add info to a page instead of replace the page. I.e, Start a section Month DD, YYYY article alerts.-- TonyTheTiger ( t/ c/ bio/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:LOTM) 13:17, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
I noticed that the bot hasn't made any edit since October 5. Is this normal? Headbomb { ταλκ – WP Physics: PotW} 15:28, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
ArticleAletbot is now flagged as a bot. =Nichalp «Talk»= 19:36, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
Hi there, we had a bot doing a very watered-downed version of this and it seems to have gone away. When this goes into the next stages would you keep us in mind? Thanks for the great work you've been doing. §hep • ¡Talk to me! 20:32, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
Could you list what are the output messages for the bot for each type of outputs? This way we could suggest and discuss improvements for them. You made a page with this discussion on, but I can't find it anymore.
The first thing I would suggest is to link to the nomination page (and archived version if appropriate) whenever articles get nominated. Headbomb { ταλκ – WP Physics: PotW} 01:32, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
Thanks. A few comments:
Headbomb { ταλκ – WP Physics: PotW} 18:09, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
Date | Article | Activity | Discussion | User(s) involved |
---|---|---|---|---|
2008-10-24 | Abay Tsehaye ( talk) | PROD tag removed | Talk page | |
2008-10-24 | Stephen Gilbert (politician) ( talk) | Deleted | Talk page | |
2008-10-24 | Jeff Hall (animator) ( talk) | Proposed for deletion | Talk page | EEMIC (tagged) |
2008-10-22 | David McAuliffe ( talk) | Proposed for deletion | Talk page |
Jmorrison230582 (tagged) Bettia (endorsed on 2008-10-23) |
Date | Article | Activity | Discussion | User(s) involved |
---|---|---|---|---|
2008-10-24 | Angelica Bella ( talk) | Kept | AfD discussion | |
2008-10-24 | Vanessa Chase ( talk) | Deleted | AfD discussion | |
2008-10-24 | Jonathan Burton (actor) ( talk) | Nominated for deletion | AfD discussion | DAJF |
Date | Article | Activity | Discussion | User(s) involved |
---|---|---|---|---|
2008-10-24 | Taskin ( talk) | Not promoted | Talk page | |
2008-10-24 | The Queen's Jewels ( talk) | Promoted | Talk page | |
2008-10-23 | Thomas Muthee ( talk) | Nominated | Talk page | Jclemens |
Etc... You get the idea. Center/specify table dimensions at will. Headbomb { ταλκ – WP Physics: PotW} 20:44, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
{| |+Table !Title1 !!Title2 !! Title 3 |- | Cell 1 || Cell 2 || Cell 3 |- | Cell 5 || Cell 6 || Cell 7 |- <noinclude> | Cell 5 || Cell 6 || Cell 7 |- | Cell 8 || Cell 9 || Cell 10 </noinclude> |- |}
Headbomb { ταλκ – WP Physics: PotW} 05:46, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
How often will ArticleAlertBot run once it is approved? How much can it be changed?-- TonyTheTiger ( t/ c/ bio/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:LOTM) 15:55, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
Now that this bot is approved, can it be used on the Aviation Project? - Trevor MacInnis ( Contribs) 19:48, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
So what happens now? Writing a guide for setting up the project alert pages? Review of the bot output? Headbomb { ταλκ – WP Physics: PotW} 06:02, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
Would it be possible for the bot to see if a new {{ dyktalk}} is added to a Talk: page along with the others? §hep • ¡Talk to me! 00:38, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
Hello,
ArticleAlertbot is open for subscriptions now. While some features and layout questions are still being discussed, I felt it is a good idea to make it available to a wider audience now.
Any project or work group can subscribe to the bot by simply placing a template, User:ArticleAlertbot/Subscription, onto their main project page. If the name of your project banner doesn't match the name of your project page, be sure to specify the correct parameters in the template. This will create an "/Article alerts" subpage of your project page, to which updates (if any are necessary) will be made daily.
Please keep in mind that the bot's features and output format might change in the future. Any comments regarding bugs/change requests/new features can be left on this talk page. -- B. Wolterding ( talk) 09:12, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
A parameter to decide if the sections are == or === or ==== etc... would be very nice to have, especially for transclusions. Headbomb { ταλκ κοντριβς – WP Physics} 23:25, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
Would it be explosive to include articles within a workspace that have been tagged for merging? I happen to think that would be really useful, just to solicit wider feedback more easily. Randomran ( talk) 16:20, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
See WP:PHYS for example ({{User:ArticleAlertbot/Subscription|banner=Physics|archivetime=90|hidden=1}}).
... might be a better name? cygnis insignis 11:42, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
Feature to be implemented:
This could be used to set up several subscriptions per project, e.g. one for deletion and one for featured articles. For each such subscription, the "archivetime" parameter can be set individually. Usage is optional, i.e., for projects that are currently subscribed, nothing will change. -- B. Wolterding ( talk) 17:46, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
As an option, discussion pages (such as AfD debates) should be transcluded into the article alerts page, rather than only being linked. This option will be configurable on a per-subscription basis (and switched off per default). The feature has the following restrictions:
(Not all of these restrictions are strictly necessary - they're what I consider reasonable, feel free to comment.)
At the same time, the behavior of the "/Article alerts" page under transclusion is changed. Currently, transclusion will show an abbreviated list (max. 10 per section). In the future, optionally the complete alerts list, including all inline discussions where applicable, will be transcluded. The default behavior is however not changed. -- B. Wolterding ( talk) 21:47, 4 December 2008 (UTC) (with later edits)
I think this would be best if the individual Wikiprojects specified the timeframe they want for their articles to be listed. Two weeks might be a long time for some, but slowerprojects might want to kept things for a month or two. I think what would be best if the Bot updated a page such as Wikipedia:WikiProject X/Current Activity, where users could specify a time (say 14d by default). After that time, news would be moved to a page such as Wikipedia:WikiProject X/Current Activity/Archives. Headbomb { ταλκ – WP Physics: PotW} 16:23, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
Currently, at Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics/Notice board, we have a sub-page archival system of these (similar to CfD's logs), which allows archival, while keeping the text united with the text's history.
Now I can tweak it in several different ways, but my main question is whether the sectioned output of the bot can be placed separately on separate pages, or if the sections must be on the same page. - jc37 01:02, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
←The "coding reason" is effort: It would be technically possible to separate the output for individual workflows onto individual pages (rather than sections), just as many many other formatting options would be possible. But the more options I implement, the higher the effort in coding and maintenance. The goal is to program one (maintainable) solution that fits the needs of most WikiProjects. So, the question is: Is there a good use case for the extension you describe; does a relevant number of projects want to use it. I'm still skeptical. But, not to discuss too long, consider the following specification.
I'm willing to implement this if you find at least two other WikiProjects that declare interest in using it. -- B. Wolterding ( talk) 17:00, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
← OK, I will implement this feature (usage will be optional, per project). Moving this up to "upcoming features". -- B. Wolterding ( talk) 17:44, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
At Wikipedia:WikiProject Ohio/Article alerts the link to the FAC for Economy for Ohio was bad when it was active, and is now linking to a redlink instead of the archive. Any ideas? §hep • ¡Talk to me! 00:17, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
←This problem is fixed now, after a code change. I saw two examples for these moves at Wikipedia:WikiProject Biography/Article alerts, where the bot now "followed" the move. I still don't know when these moves occur - I saw them sometimes also for first nominations, but not always. Anyway, the bot will now get around this obstacle. -- B. Wolterding ( talk) 10:20, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
Referring: This alerts page. If it's documented I must have looked it over, if this is, sorry! I was wondering if it would be possible for the template call to support multiple cats? A taskforce I do a little work with, Ohio State Highways, doesn't have a parent cat just "X"-Class articles categories. Without going through the process of letting the main project modify their banner, can I enter multiple cats for the bot to check? §hep • ¡Talk to me! 19:21, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
That was very fast! Thanks for the code, I'll see what they let me do. §hep • ¡Talk to me! 19:51, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
I noticed that WP Beatles or at least many articles related to The Beatles transclude the subscription page. Is that normal? Headbomb { ταλκ κοντριβς – WP Physics} 21:57, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
It is possible to transclude the article alert lists into multiple other pages if preferred. When doing so, however please be sure to transclude the bot-generated page (ending with "/Article alerts"), not the page with the subscription template on it. Otherwise, not the alerts as such but rather the subscription will be transcluded, which is probably not what you want.
I just corrected this on Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Ohio [2]. This transcluded Wikipedia:WikiProject Ohio/Deletion sorting, with a subscription template on it. Since Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Ohio is in turn transcluded in other pages, e.g., Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/United States of America, this caused several bot subscriptions to be created for the same content. -- B. Wolterding ( talk) 17:37, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
Wikipedia:WikiProject Saskatchewan is part of the Template:WikiProject Canada. Would I add it as a group? Kind Regards SriMesh | talk 02:36, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
Just as a note: ArticleAlertbot is currently not running due to ongoing maintenance work on the toolserver [3]. As of now, the database server there is still down. The last bot run was on Dec 30; I hope that the issue will be resolved soon. -- B. Wolterding ( talk) 16:12, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
In WikiProject Louisville and WikiProject Kentucky, we display (hidden until show) our article alerts in various project templates. And so this produces a lot of links to pages referenced in the alerts. I have received a complaint from a user who did a prod on an article covered by WikiProject Kentucky that too many pages were linking to his user page. I am thinking that a way to alleviate this would be to provide a subscription parameter that lets us not display the "by {user}" portion of each alert. I'm thinking that for our purposes, that part of the alert isn't terribly important anyway. Thanks for your consideration. Stevie is the man! Talk • Work 19:27, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
←It is way too complicated to wrap every wikilink like {{#ifeq: {{NAMESPACE}} | Talk | User:Example | [[User:Example]]}}
just to be able to transclude it.
Lego
Kontribs
TalkM
07:46, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
No. Templates are different, as I noted above, we have special limits. §hep • ¡Talk to me! 21:03, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
The bot missed a lot of articles at WP:CHICAGO.-- TonyTheTiger ( t/ c/ bio/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:LOTM) 07:26, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
(Those problems have either not reoccurred, have been resolved, or can't be fixed.)
Okay. §hep • ¡Talk to me! 16:54, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
Not sure about this. I didn't nom the article. §hep • ¡Talk to me! 01:31, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ryan Stanchek has been relisted twice, yet at Wikipedia:WikiProject Ohio/Article alerts it says the article was kept. §hep • ¡Talk to me! 21:20, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
I first notice use of this bot when someone began using it at WP:CITIES. I would appreciate if you would fix it so that it prints the Featured article candidates and Featured article reviews above the listings for GAs and GARs. Featured articles are the highest quality articles, and the highest review process we have -- as such, if this bot is listing them on wikiproject pages, FA/FARs should be listed first.
Also, is there a way to customize this bot to tailor it to specific wikiprojects. For example, I am not interested in having Requests for Comments listed in the same category in our wikiproject as the other review processes, since it is NOT a review process itself. We handle requests for comments on the talk page and announcements, so it's completely useless (and actually inappropriate) to list them with review processes. Dr. Cash ( talk) 21:22, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
I added the tag to the main page of Wikipedia:WikiProject Pharmacology at least a week ago, and the page still tells me that, "Article alerts not yet available. Please allow some days for processing." How long is this supposed to take? Dr. Cash ( talk) 23:31, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
Hi B. Wolterding,
I recently discovered this service, and fell in love with it immediately. One request though: Is it possible to add another view which transcludes the actual discussions onto the alerts page? For instance, on Wikipedia:WikiProject Anime and manga/Peer review, it is customary to transclude the discussions to allow easy review thereof.
Ps. I believe that this would only be applicable to "open" items, with the normal summary being used for "closed" items.
Regards, and thanks for the great idea!
G.A.S talk 06:56, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
<div class="NavFrame" style="text-align:left; border:0px"><div class="NavHead">8 Dec 2008 – [[13 Nichi wa Kin'youbi?]] ([[Talk:13 Nichi wa Kin'youbi?|talk]]) nominated for deletion by [[User:Mikeblas|Mikeblas]].</div><div class="NavContent" style="display:yes; text-align:left;"> {{Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/13 Nichi wa Kin'youbi?}} </div></div> <div class="NavFrame collapsed" style="text-align:left; border:0px"><div class="NavHead">8 Dec 2008 – [[Talon (Static Shock)]] ([[Talk:Talon (Static Shock)|talk]]) has been redirected to [[Static Shock]].</div><div class="NavContent" style="text-align:left;"> {{Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Talon (Static Shock)|discussion}} </div></div>
This feature has now (finally) reached the live bot. See Wikipedia:ArticleAlertbot test page for an example. (Note: This is the variant "show active sections and collapse closed ones"; the variant "collapse all sections" is available as well.) I will document the subscription parameter shortly. -- B. Wolterding ( talk) 00:48, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
The bot seems to confuse WP:TFAs for WP:DYKs. E.g. Richard Cordray.-- TonyTheTiger ( t/ c/ bio/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:LOTM) 03:09, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
ArticleAlertbot has a new "tracker" that contains various information about the run. See tools:~legoktm/alertbot.html. Any suggestions welcome :) Lego Kontribs TalkM 05:57, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
In places such as
wouldn't it make sense to also link the RFC itself? -- Army1987 – Deeds, not words. 14:09, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
Hi, I subscribed WP:FILM to article alerts and was wondering if there was any chance the bot could handle the project's A-Class reviews? PC78 ( talk) 19:56, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
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There seems to be a lot of support for this feature; I have therefore set up a separate specification page, and moved the discussion from the bot request page to here.
I have chosen the name "Article alerts" rather than "WikiProject News", because the latter sounds more like a WikiProject that deals with news services or the like. Still, it's not the ideal name because the feature would possibly include alerts for non-article pages (e.g. templates) as well. Comments are welcome. -- B. Wolterding ( talk) 09:28, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
I got the idea a while ago when updating the Wikipedia:WikiProject Physics/Current activity page. It would be very useful to have a bot going around Wikipedia every day and update these lists automatically.
What it would need to check (IMO)
A useful parameter would be something to specify that the first X number of articles in each sections are to be transcluded so very active Wikiprojects can have a "Current Activity" section that's of reasonable length on their main page.
It would also be nice if such a bot would produce short messages similar to those on the Wikipedia:WikiProject Physics/Current activity to tell people who nominated, to congratulate when their articles passed, link to the article talk page when it failed, etc... Headbomb { ταλκ – WP Physics: PotW} 13:13, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
Well considering I "run" WikiProject physics, I guess we could say that there's at least that one that's interested. Headbomb { ταλκ – WP Physics: PotW} 21:08, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
I had posted at Wikipedia_talk:Canadian_Wikipedians'_notice_board#Automate_Deletion_sorting_to_Candidates_for_Deletiona week ago about how it would be great it would be if our articles nominated for deletion list could be updated by a bot. I was waiting for more of a community response of support before coming here or approaching Maelgwnbot directly to have this automated. I think having the above workflows automated is even better. As shown over at Wikipedia:Australian_Wikipedians'_notice_board/AfD, this type of programming can be done. DigitalC ( talk) 12:54, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
We've just had an editor on WP:Anglicanism complain taht many of "his" Anglican articles are being afd'd and so on, so wider notificaiton to the project would probably be useful. I glance at AFD from time to time, but a more focused idea of articles of interest would be useful. David Underdown ( talk) 14:30, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
I can definitely see this being using in WikiProject Video Games, among others. Would there be any breakdown by Task Force with this as well? -- MASEM 15:07, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
Yes please! This would definitely be useful to WikiProject Aircraft, and probably our parent the Aviation WikiProject. -- Rlandmann ( talk) 19:42, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
Agree. Would be very nice for wp:ships to know when someone has nominated something project related for deletion or review. Has happened to us several times in the past where we were never aware of the nominations. -- Brad ( talk) 03:23, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
Can't speak for everyone at Wikipedia:WikiProject Plants, but I like this idea. We tend to hear about such things in a manual way, but a bot would be less likely to miss things. Because the bot would only tell us about articles tagged with our wikiproject, I don't really see a problem with seeing irrelevant information, and the volume of information should also be manageable, I would think. I'll leave it to others to discuss what is feasible from a technical point of view. Kingdon ( talk) 04:04, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
My impression is that the plan is to make something like Wikipedia:WikiProject Mathematics/Current activity for other wikiprojects. That table isn't hard to make, it just requires a list of the articles that are "in" the relevant project, and the contents of various maintenance categories.
WP 1.0 bot can help by providing an API to get the list of articles that are assessed by a wikiproject. That would greatly simplify the alert bot code, since it won't need to worry about the structure of the WP 1.0 categories, and won't have to spend the (long) time needed to download the lists of category contents to make the project lists. Since WP 1.0 bot already has all the project data, it's trivial to write a program to access it. I wrote one simple interface that you can currently access at http://tools.kiwix.org/~oleg/cgi-bin/wp/project-list.cgi?project=Aesthetics%7CMathematics I can change the output format if the line-based format isn't convenient. — Carl ( CBM · talk) 12:21, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
By the way, you may notice that the math current activity only updates certain things every three days. User:Jitse Niesen, who runs that bot, says that this is because it takes too long to download the contents of the corresponding categories. I haven't tried it myself now that the API is available, but it's always good to know what other people have already found. — Carl ( CBM · talk) 12:23, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
I am a bit pokey for the discussion, but we would appreciate notification via this type of bot for the WP SK newsletter, if it was going ahead. Was just going to try to modify AlexNewArtBot today myself for the purpose of finding tagged SK articles, but knowing which articles are being improved via talk pages would also be enormously helpful! SriMesh | talk 01:05, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
WikiProject Comics would also be interested in the features you could offer here. Thanks for your work in even looking into this, it would be a great feature. Hiding T 08:08, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
WP:CHICAGO has been doing this by hand for a long time at Wikipedia:WikiProject Chicago/Discussions and we are very interested in an automated procedure. The bot should also catch reviews such as WP:FAR, WP:GAR and maybe {{ prod}}, BTW.
The bot may also want to have someclean up features. Billy Pierce was promoted to WP:GA on July 19, but no one noticed that the templates were not updated to class=GA until today. Can the bot correct such problems?-- TonyTheTiger ( t/ c/ bio/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:LOTM) 14:52, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
I noticed a comment about that on the main side of this page. When an article is added to a category, a timestamp is recorded, which the API will return along with the category contents. I found that it's not hard to use that timestamp to get the revision info, including the user and edit summary. The api query parameters are:
'action' => 'query', 'prop' => 'revisions', 'titles' => encode("utf8", $article) 'rvprop' => 'ids|flags|timestamp|user|size|comment', 'rvstart' => $timestamp, 'rvlimit' => '1'
This requires one query per article+category on the API, which is somewhat impractical. If you use the toolserver, you can probably get the data by just making a join against the revision table. — Carl ( CBM · talk) 03:20, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
The mw:Revision table is available, which has all the metadata. The only thing that isn't available is the actual page contents. It turns out the timestamp format is a little different between the mw:categorylinks table and the revision table, so the query looks simething like this:
select page_title, cl_to, rev_timestamp, rev_user_text, rev_comment from page join categorylinks on page_id = cl_from join revision on cl_from = rev_page and date_format(cl_timestamp, '%Y%m%d%H%i%s') = rev_timestamp where page_namespace = 0 and page_title = 'Fern' limit 10;
This gives the following output:
| page_title | cl_to | rev_timestamp | rev_user_text | rev_comment | Fern | All_articles_with_unsourced_statements | 20080314023116 | Thedjatclubrock | Reverted edits by [[Special:Contributions/69.23.85.82|69.23.85.82]] ([[User talk:69.23.85.82|talk]]) to last version by Co mpwhizii | | Fern | Articles_with_unsourced_statements_since_April_2008 | 20080610153604 | Philip Trueman | Reverted edits by [[Special:Contributions/75.144.179.201|75.144.179.201]] ([[User talk:75.144.179.201|talk]]) to last vers ion by 68.84.66.102 | | Fern | Articles_with_unsourced_statements_since_June_2007 | 20080314023116 | Thedjatclubrock | Reverted edits by [[Special:Contributions/69.23.85.82|69.23.85.82]] ([[User talk:69.23.85.82|talk]]) to last version by Co mpwhizii | | Fern | Cleanup_from_January_2008 | 20080314023116 | Thedjatclubrock | Reverted edits by [[Special:Contributions/69.23.85.82|69.23.85.82]] ([[User talk:69.23.85.82|talk]]) to last version by Co mpwhizii | | Fern | Pages_with_DOIs_broken_since_2008 | 20080626001428 | DOI bot | Citation maintenance. Added: doi_brokendate. You can [[WP:DOI|use this bot]] yourself! Please [[User:DOI_bot/bugs|report any bugs]]. | | Fern | Pteridophyta | 20080806205047 | Gadfium | restore l ink; see [[User_talk:EncycloPetey#Te_Ara_links]] | | Fern | Wikipedia_laundry_list_cleanup | 20080314023116 | Thedjatclubrock | Reverted edits by [[Special:Contributions/69.23.85.82|69.23.85.82]] ([[User talk:69.23.85.82|talk]]) to last version by Co mpwhizii | 7 rows in set (0.03 sec)
— Carl ( CBM · talk) 15:10, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
At WP:CHIAA we now have two templates at the top of the page. Can you make your bot add info to a page instead of replace the page. I.e, Start a section Month DD, YYYY article alerts.-- TonyTheTiger ( t/ c/ bio/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:LOTM) 13:17, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
I noticed that the bot hasn't made any edit since October 5. Is this normal? Headbomb { ταλκ – WP Physics: PotW} 15:28, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
ArticleAletbot is now flagged as a bot. =Nichalp «Talk»= 19:36, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
Hi there, we had a bot doing a very watered-downed version of this and it seems to have gone away. When this goes into the next stages would you keep us in mind? Thanks for the great work you've been doing. §hep • ¡Talk to me! 20:32, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
Could you list what are the output messages for the bot for each type of outputs? This way we could suggest and discuss improvements for them. You made a page with this discussion on, but I can't find it anymore.
The first thing I would suggest is to link to the nomination page (and archived version if appropriate) whenever articles get nominated. Headbomb { ταλκ – WP Physics: PotW} 01:32, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
Thanks. A few comments:
Headbomb { ταλκ – WP Physics: PotW} 18:09, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
Date | Article | Activity | Discussion | User(s) involved |
---|---|---|---|---|
2008-10-24 | Abay Tsehaye ( talk) | PROD tag removed | Talk page | |
2008-10-24 | Stephen Gilbert (politician) ( talk) | Deleted | Talk page | |
2008-10-24 | Jeff Hall (animator) ( talk) | Proposed for deletion | Talk page | EEMIC (tagged) |
2008-10-22 | David McAuliffe ( talk) | Proposed for deletion | Talk page |
Jmorrison230582 (tagged) Bettia (endorsed on 2008-10-23) |
Date | Article | Activity | Discussion | User(s) involved |
---|---|---|---|---|
2008-10-24 | Angelica Bella ( talk) | Kept | AfD discussion | |
2008-10-24 | Vanessa Chase ( talk) | Deleted | AfD discussion | |
2008-10-24 | Jonathan Burton (actor) ( talk) | Nominated for deletion | AfD discussion | DAJF |
Date | Article | Activity | Discussion | User(s) involved |
---|---|---|---|---|
2008-10-24 | Taskin ( talk) | Not promoted | Talk page | |
2008-10-24 | The Queen's Jewels ( talk) | Promoted | Talk page | |
2008-10-23 | Thomas Muthee ( talk) | Nominated | Talk page | Jclemens |
Etc... You get the idea. Center/specify table dimensions at will. Headbomb { ταλκ – WP Physics: PotW} 20:44, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
{| |+Table !Title1 !!Title2 !! Title 3 |- | Cell 1 || Cell 2 || Cell 3 |- | Cell 5 || Cell 6 || Cell 7 |- <noinclude> | Cell 5 || Cell 6 || Cell 7 |- | Cell 8 || Cell 9 || Cell 10 </noinclude> |- |}
Headbomb { ταλκ – WP Physics: PotW} 05:46, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
How often will ArticleAlertBot run once it is approved? How much can it be changed?-- TonyTheTiger ( t/ c/ bio/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:LOTM) 15:55, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
Now that this bot is approved, can it be used on the Aviation Project? - Trevor MacInnis ( Contribs) 19:48, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
So what happens now? Writing a guide for setting up the project alert pages? Review of the bot output? Headbomb { ταλκ – WP Physics: PotW} 06:02, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
Would it be possible for the bot to see if a new {{ dyktalk}} is added to a Talk: page along with the others? §hep • ¡Talk to me! 00:38, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
Hello,
ArticleAlertbot is open for subscriptions now. While some features and layout questions are still being discussed, I felt it is a good idea to make it available to a wider audience now.
Any project or work group can subscribe to the bot by simply placing a template, User:ArticleAlertbot/Subscription, onto their main project page. If the name of your project banner doesn't match the name of your project page, be sure to specify the correct parameters in the template. This will create an "/Article alerts" subpage of your project page, to which updates (if any are necessary) will be made daily.
Please keep in mind that the bot's features and output format might change in the future. Any comments regarding bugs/change requests/new features can be left on this talk page. -- B. Wolterding ( talk) 09:12, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
A parameter to decide if the sections are == or === or ==== etc... would be very nice to have, especially for transclusions. Headbomb { ταλκ κοντριβς – WP Physics} 23:25, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
Would it be explosive to include articles within a workspace that have been tagged for merging? I happen to think that would be really useful, just to solicit wider feedback more easily. Randomran ( talk) 16:20, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
See WP:PHYS for example ({{User:ArticleAlertbot/Subscription|banner=Physics|archivetime=90|hidden=1}}).
... might be a better name? cygnis insignis 11:42, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
Feature to be implemented:
This could be used to set up several subscriptions per project, e.g. one for deletion and one for featured articles. For each such subscription, the "archivetime" parameter can be set individually. Usage is optional, i.e., for projects that are currently subscribed, nothing will change. -- B. Wolterding ( talk) 17:46, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
As an option, discussion pages (such as AfD debates) should be transcluded into the article alerts page, rather than only being linked. This option will be configurable on a per-subscription basis (and switched off per default). The feature has the following restrictions:
(Not all of these restrictions are strictly necessary - they're what I consider reasonable, feel free to comment.)
At the same time, the behavior of the "/Article alerts" page under transclusion is changed. Currently, transclusion will show an abbreviated list (max. 10 per section). In the future, optionally the complete alerts list, including all inline discussions where applicable, will be transcluded. The default behavior is however not changed. -- B. Wolterding ( talk) 21:47, 4 December 2008 (UTC) (with later edits)
I think this would be best if the individual Wikiprojects specified the timeframe they want for their articles to be listed. Two weeks might be a long time for some, but slowerprojects might want to kept things for a month or two. I think what would be best if the Bot updated a page such as Wikipedia:WikiProject X/Current Activity, where users could specify a time (say 14d by default). After that time, news would be moved to a page such as Wikipedia:WikiProject X/Current Activity/Archives. Headbomb { ταλκ – WP Physics: PotW} 16:23, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
Currently, at Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics/Notice board, we have a sub-page archival system of these (similar to CfD's logs), which allows archival, while keeping the text united with the text's history.
Now I can tweak it in several different ways, but my main question is whether the sectioned output of the bot can be placed separately on separate pages, or if the sections must be on the same page. - jc37 01:02, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
←The "coding reason" is effort: It would be technically possible to separate the output for individual workflows onto individual pages (rather than sections), just as many many other formatting options would be possible. But the more options I implement, the higher the effort in coding and maintenance. The goal is to program one (maintainable) solution that fits the needs of most WikiProjects. So, the question is: Is there a good use case for the extension you describe; does a relevant number of projects want to use it. I'm still skeptical. But, not to discuss too long, consider the following specification.
I'm willing to implement this if you find at least two other WikiProjects that declare interest in using it. -- B. Wolterding ( talk) 17:00, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
← OK, I will implement this feature (usage will be optional, per project). Moving this up to "upcoming features". -- B. Wolterding ( talk) 17:44, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
At Wikipedia:WikiProject Ohio/Article alerts the link to the FAC for Economy for Ohio was bad when it was active, and is now linking to a redlink instead of the archive. Any ideas? §hep • ¡Talk to me! 00:17, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
←This problem is fixed now, after a code change. I saw two examples for these moves at Wikipedia:WikiProject Biography/Article alerts, where the bot now "followed" the move. I still don't know when these moves occur - I saw them sometimes also for first nominations, but not always. Anyway, the bot will now get around this obstacle. -- B. Wolterding ( talk) 10:20, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
Referring: This alerts page. If it's documented I must have looked it over, if this is, sorry! I was wondering if it would be possible for the template call to support multiple cats? A taskforce I do a little work with, Ohio State Highways, doesn't have a parent cat just "X"-Class articles categories. Without going through the process of letting the main project modify their banner, can I enter multiple cats for the bot to check? §hep • ¡Talk to me! 19:21, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
That was very fast! Thanks for the code, I'll see what they let me do. §hep • ¡Talk to me! 19:51, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
I noticed that WP Beatles or at least many articles related to The Beatles transclude the subscription page. Is that normal? Headbomb { ταλκ κοντριβς – WP Physics} 21:57, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
It is possible to transclude the article alert lists into multiple other pages if preferred. When doing so, however please be sure to transclude the bot-generated page (ending with "/Article alerts"), not the page with the subscription template on it. Otherwise, not the alerts as such but rather the subscription will be transcluded, which is probably not what you want.
I just corrected this on Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Ohio [2]. This transcluded Wikipedia:WikiProject Ohio/Deletion sorting, with a subscription template on it. Since Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Ohio is in turn transcluded in other pages, e.g., Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/United States of America, this caused several bot subscriptions to be created for the same content. -- B. Wolterding ( talk) 17:37, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
Wikipedia:WikiProject Saskatchewan is part of the Template:WikiProject Canada. Would I add it as a group? Kind Regards SriMesh | talk 02:36, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
Just as a note: ArticleAlertbot is currently not running due to ongoing maintenance work on the toolserver [3]. As of now, the database server there is still down. The last bot run was on Dec 30; I hope that the issue will be resolved soon. -- B. Wolterding ( talk) 16:12, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
In WikiProject Louisville and WikiProject Kentucky, we display (hidden until show) our article alerts in various project templates. And so this produces a lot of links to pages referenced in the alerts. I have received a complaint from a user who did a prod on an article covered by WikiProject Kentucky that too many pages were linking to his user page. I am thinking that a way to alleviate this would be to provide a subscription parameter that lets us not display the "by {user}" portion of each alert. I'm thinking that for our purposes, that part of the alert isn't terribly important anyway. Thanks for your consideration. Stevie is the man! Talk • Work 19:27, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
←It is way too complicated to wrap every wikilink like {{#ifeq: {{NAMESPACE}} | Talk | User:Example | [[User:Example]]}}
just to be able to transclude it.
Lego
Kontribs
TalkM
07:46, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
No. Templates are different, as I noted above, we have special limits. §hep • ¡Talk to me! 21:03, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
The bot missed a lot of articles at WP:CHICAGO.-- TonyTheTiger ( t/ c/ bio/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:LOTM) 07:26, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
(Those problems have either not reoccurred, have been resolved, or can't be fixed.)
Okay. §hep • ¡Talk to me! 16:54, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
Not sure about this. I didn't nom the article. §hep • ¡Talk to me! 01:31, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ryan Stanchek has been relisted twice, yet at Wikipedia:WikiProject Ohio/Article alerts it says the article was kept. §hep • ¡Talk to me! 21:20, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
I first notice use of this bot when someone began using it at WP:CITIES. I would appreciate if you would fix it so that it prints the Featured article candidates and Featured article reviews above the listings for GAs and GARs. Featured articles are the highest quality articles, and the highest review process we have -- as such, if this bot is listing them on wikiproject pages, FA/FARs should be listed first.
Also, is there a way to customize this bot to tailor it to specific wikiprojects. For example, I am not interested in having Requests for Comments listed in the same category in our wikiproject as the other review processes, since it is NOT a review process itself. We handle requests for comments on the talk page and announcements, so it's completely useless (and actually inappropriate) to list them with review processes. Dr. Cash ( talk) 21:22, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
I added the tag to the main page of Wikipedia:WikiProject Pharmacology at least a week ago, and the page still tells me that, "Article alerts not yet available. Please allow some days for processing." How long is this supposed to take? Dr. Cash ( talk) 23:31, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
Hi B. Wolterding,
I recently discovered this service, and fell in love with it immediately. One request though: Is it possible to add another view which transcludes the actual discussions onto the alerts page? For instance, on Wikipedia:WikiProject Anime and manga/Peer review, it is customary to transclude the discussions to allow easy review thereof.
Ps. I believe that this would only be applicable to "open" items, with the normal summary being used for "closed" items.
Regards, and thanks for the great idea!
G.A.S talk 06:56, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
<div class="NavFrame" style="text-align:left; border:0px"><div class="NavHead">8 Dec 2008 – [[13 Nichi wa Kin'youbi?]] ([[Talk:13 Nichi wa Kin'youbi?|talk]]) nominated for deletion by [[User:Mikeblas|Mikeblas]].</div><div class="NavContent" style="display:yes; text-align:left;"> {{Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/13 Nichi wa Kin'youbi?}} </div></div> <div class="NavFrame collapsed" style="text-align:left; border:0px"><div class="NavHead">8 Dec 2008 – [[Talon (Static Shock)]] ([[Talk:Talon (Static Shock)|talk]]) has been redirected to [[Static Shock]].</div><div class="NavContent" style="text-align:left;"> {{Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Talon (Static Shock)|discussion}} </div></div>
This feature has now (finally) reached the live bot. See Wikipedia:ArticleAlertbot test page for an example. (Note: This is the variant "show active sections and collapse closed ones"; the variant "collapse all sections" is available as well.) I will document the subscription parameter shortly. -- B. Wolterding ( talk) 00:48, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
The bot seems to confuse WP:TFAs for WP:DYKs. E.g. Richard Cordray.-- TonyTheTiger ( t/ c/ bio/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:LOTM) 03:09, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
ArticleAlertbot has a new "tracker" that contains various information about the run. See tools:~legoktm/alertbot.html. Any suggestions welcome :) Lego Kontribs TalkM 05:57, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
In places such as
wouldn't it make sense to also link the RFC itself? -- Army1987 – Deeds, not words. 14:09, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
Hi, I subscribed WP:FILM to article alerts and was wondering if there was any chance the bot could handle the project's A-Class reviews? PC78 ( talk) 19:56, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
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