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We need to do a new RFC for Airline destinations tables as the old one was from 2018. So we can find what the current Wikipedia community views are on them being included. CHCBOY ( talk) 18:51, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
This is arbitrary but how about doing the RFC in July (3 months after the last AFD)? Though we could start planning it whenever. Sunnya343 ( talk) 13:56, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
What do you all think of the proposal below for the RfC question and background? Pinging frequent contributors to the past discussions: CHCBOY, ChainChomp2, Rosbif73, Reywas92, FOARP, Lifetimelucid, SportingFlyer, Coastie43, Jetstreamer, and Pmbma.
Background: Wikipedia currently has 187 stand-alone lists of airline destinations. Other lists can be found within airline articles, e.g. T'way Air § Destinations. An RfC on this topic was held in 2018; the closing summary stated that Wikipedia should not have these lists, with the main argument being NOTDIR. A subsequent AN discussion advised editors to follow the AfD process and closers to take the RfC into account. From May 2023 to February 2024, 26 AfDs resulted in the deletion or redirection of over 260 lists.
In March 2024, however, an AfD to delete 153 lists was closed as No Consensus. At DRV, some people raised concerns about the age and limited participation of the 2018 RfC and described the recurrent AfDs as a timesink. It was suggested to run a new RfC as a de facto AfD or DRV, with every article tagged with a link to the discussion. Though I have tagged all the stand-alone lists, I favor uncoupling this RfC from the AfD process because some of the articles contain prose. The prose would first have to be copied to the parent article, and then the list would have to be redirected rather than deleted. So if there's a consensus that the lists violate NOT, I believe a few more bundled AfDs should be held to make sure the articles with prose are handled appropriately.
I phrased the RfC question this way based on my review of the past discussions, where it appears that the crux of the debate is the applicability of NOT. I also think this is the best way to address both manifestations of the lists: 1) embedded within airline articles, and 2) in stand-alone format. NOT influences both (1) and (2). In some of the AfDs, people also made arguments based on notability, but these only apply to (2) and don't preclude merging the lists into the parent articles. Indeed, the main policy basis of the decision to delete, not merge, those 260+ lists was NOT.
Note: Other people notified are WT:AIRLINES, WT:NOT, and the participants in the 2018 RfC and subsequent AfDs.
Sunnya343 ( talk) 23:23, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
If my proposed question is felt to be too narrow/constrictive, an alternative could be: "Are lists of all the current and former destinations of airlines acceptable content for Wikipedia?" Sunnya343 ( talk) 01:39, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
My proposed question does mention "lists" but it doesn't concern the format of the information; as I noted above it's about the practice of writing out every destination of an airline and having that information on Wikipedia. It's just that in its most basic form, the information is a list. Sunnya343 ( talk) 14:08, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
Notifying Cagliost with this. Hello, all. There’s been a back-and-forth the past few months over at Ryanair and I was hoping we could get the wider Wikipedia aviation community involved for feedback/consensus. Originally, and for a long while, the page had a single infobox (following the Template:Infobox airline format). Recently, a 2nd infobox was added for the parent company. I feel as though this isn’t really needed, although other editors disagree. Most people going to the page are most likely going to read about the airline, not the parent company. Additionally, plenty of other airlines have parent companies that we don’t have full infoboxes for. Airlines such as Allegiant Air, EasyJet, Avelo Air, etc. don’t have full infoboxes for parent companies. I feel this bloats the page and the information can be included in the article rather than taking up infobox space on a page for an airline, but I wanted to hear the thoughts of others. VenFlyer98 ( talk) 00:00, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
Hello, somebody please provide me a link to sign up to WikiProject Airlines. I am a member of the Aviation WikiProject, but I can't join WikiProject Airlines. BuddyHeigh ( talk) 20:15, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
As it stands, this article does appear to be notable. I could find no English language reliable secondary references. The only primary source I could find is the airline's website ( https://en.tulpar.aero/structure/tulparaircompany). However, mid last year, a new editor removed a bunch of text and foreign languages references. Could someone from this project assess whether those deletions should be reverted, or the article should be PRODed, or something else. 76.14.122.5 ( talk) 03:35, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
This is the
talk page for discussing
WikiProject Airlines and anything related to its purposes and tasks. |
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![]() | Aviation: Airlines Project‑class | |||||||||
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![]() | WikiProject Airlines was featured in a WikiProject Report in the Signpost on 18 February 2013. |
This page has archives. Sections older than 45 days may be automatically archived by Lowercase sigmabot III when more than 4 sections are present. |
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General information |
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We need to do a new RFC for Airline destinations tables as the old one was from 2018. So we can find what the current Wikipedia community views are on them being included. CHCBOY ( talk) 18:51, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
This is arbitrary but how about doing the RFC in July (3 months after the last AFD)? Though we could start planning it whenever. Sunnya343 ( talk) 13:56, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
What do you all think of the proposal below for the RfC question and background? Pinging frequent contributors to the past discussions: CHCBOY, ChainChomp2, Rosbif73, Reywas92, FOARP, Lifetimelucid, SportingFlyer, Coastie43, Jetstreamer, and Pmbma.
Background: Wikipedia currently has 187 stand-alone lists of airline destinations. Other lists can be found within airline articles, e.g. T'way Air § Destinations. An RfC on this topic was held in 2018; the closing summary stated that Wikipedia should not have these lists, with the main argument being NOTDIR. A subsequent AN discussion advised editors to follow the AfD process and closers to take the RfC into account. From May 2023 to February 2024, 26 AfDs resulted in the deletion or redirection of over 260 lists.
In March 2024, however, an AfD to delete 153 lists was closed as No Consensus. At DRV, some people raised concerns about the age and limited participation of the 2018 RfC and described the recurrent AfDs as a timesink. It was suggested to run a new RfC as a de facto AfD or DRV, with every article tagged with a link to the discussion. Though I have tagged all the stand-alone lists, I favor uncoupling this RfC from the AfD process because some of the articles contain prose. The prose would first have to be copied to the parent article, and then the list would have to be redirected rather than deleted. So if there's a consensus that the lists violate NOT, I believe a few more bundled AfDs should be held to make sure the articles with prose are handled appropriately.
I phrased the RfC question this way based on my review of the past discussions, where it appears that the crux of the debate is the applicability of NOT. I also think this is the best way to address both manifestations of the lists: 1) embedded within airline articles, and 2) in stand-alone format. NOT influences both (1) and (2). In some of the AfDs, people also made arguments based on notability, but these only apply to (2) and don't preclude merging the lists into the parent articles. Indeed, the main policy basis of the decision to delete, not merge, those 260+ lists was NOT.
Note: Other people notified are WT:AIRLINES, WT:NOT, and the participants in the 2018 RfC and subsequent AfDs.
Sunnya343 ( talk) 23:23, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
If my proposed question is felt to be too narrow/constrictive, an alternative could be: "Are lists of all the current and former destinations of airlines acceptable content for Wikipedia?" Sunnya343 ( talk) 01:39, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
My proposed question does mention "lists" but it doesn't concern the format of the information; as I noted above it's about the practice of writing out every destination of an airline and having that information on Wikipedia. It's just that in its most basic form, the information is a list. Sunnya343 ( talk) 14:08, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
Notifying Cagliost with this. Hello, all. There’s been a back-and-forth the past few months over at Ryanair and I was hoping we could get the wider Wikipedia aviation community involved for feedback/consensus. Originally, and for a long while, the page had a single infobox (following the Template:Infobox airline format). Recently, a 2nd infobox was added for the parent company. I feel as though this isn’t really needed, although other editors disagree. Most people going to the page are most likely going to read about the airline, not the parent company. Additionally, plenty of other airlines have parent companies that we don’t have full infoboxes for. Airlines such as Allegiant Air, EasyJet, Avelo Air, etc. don’t have full infoboxes for parent companies. I feel this bloats the page and the information can be included in the article rather than taking up infobox space on a page for an airline, but I wanted to hear the thoughts of others. VenFlyer98 ( talk) 00:00, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
Hello, somebody please provide me a link to sign up to WikiProject Airlines. I am a member of the Aviation WikiProject, but I can't join WikiProject Airlines. BuddyHeigh ( talk) 20:15, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
As it stands, this article does appear to be notable. I could find no English language reliable secondary references. The only primary source I could find is the airline's website ( https://en.tulpar.aero/structure/tulparaircompany). However, mid last year, a new editor removed a bunch of text and foreign languages references. Could someone from this project assess whether those deletions should be reverted, or the article should be PRODed, or something else. 76.14.122.5 ( talk) 03:35, 30 June 2024 (UTC)