The stubberg

VRC-Stub (*now on WP:SFD)

(deleted) Grutness... wha?

parasite-stub (on SFD)

To SFD. Grutness... wha? 03:35, 28 July 2005 (UTC) reply

(deleted) Grutness... wha?

monorail-stub (on SFD)

(deleted) Grutness... wha?

Comments

We need SfD. --  grm_wnr Esc 01:07, 26 May 2005 (UTC) reply

...and fast! Whoof. Okay. here's mytake on a few of these:

• Parasite-stub - fits nicely alongside things like bacteria-stub in bio-sci.. keep
• Monorail-stub - covered by rail-stub delete

Grutness... wha? 01:36, 26 May 2005 (UTC) reply

{{ Ent-stub}} (*now on sfd)

Template:Ent-stub ( talk links )(for " entertainment-related articles") was created on 17 Jun 2005 by User:Member. There is no accompanying category for the stub. BlankVerse ∅ 06:12, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I saw the name and thought "Entomology? Don't we have one for insects?" Badly named, and cuts across quite a number of categorieies. (BTW, I moved the "tic" links into the text body, as the heading looked huge in the (already long) page contents! Very good idea to add it though...). Grutness... wha? 06:54, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I'm not even a big Lord of the Rings fan, but my first thought was for the race of Ents in LOTTR, thinking it was the ultimate in fancruft stubs. ;-)

As for the tic template, it was one I recently stumbled across, and there is also similar one Template:ti ( talk · links · ). Both of them have the edit link, which I don't think is necessary. I'd rather see one that just had the talk page and and what-links-here links, and perhaps condensed to just (t,l) that could be used here and some of the other places that regularly deal with templates, such as WP:TFD, so I may have to write one myself. BlankVerse ∅ 09:31, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Surely it would be easy enough to make one...? Grutness... wha? 13:10, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

It was - try {{ ttl}} ( t/ l) on for size! Where should I add information about this new tool? Grutness... wha? 13:18, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Looks good. The reason that I hadn't written the template is that I was still deciding on whether to create a template similar to Template:ti and Template:tic, or to created one with the nowikied brackets of template:tl. If you look at the talk page, I've tried to create a reasonable format for documenting the use and purpose of the template. I would appreciate if others take a look and then offer feedback on the idea. BlankVerse ∅ 11:08, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for that - looks like a good description of it, too. Grutness... wha? 02:30, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

{{ Reenactment-stub}}

Added to WP:WSS/ST today by User:Ashmodai. Redlink associated category ( Category:Reenactment stubs). Not used on any articles. -- TheParanoidOne 15:44, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

And very unlikely to be used on anywhere near 100. I can't see any need for this one. Grutness... wha? 03:11, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Ugh, yeah. Kill me. I hadn't read the instructions before creating it and adding it to the list. Since I'm currently tinkering with Category:Historical reenactment in order to shift it from its americanocentric (is that even a word?) Civil War focus, I figured a custom stub would come in handy. Guess not. Sorry 'bout that. -- Ashmodai 06:07, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

There's always the possibility that a reenactment-stub might be useful. How many stub articles do you forsee using it? -- TheParanoidOne 08:45, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Can't we keep the reenactment stub template? It seems a waste to use historical stub for modern events, especially when so many reenactment topics will be stubs for ages until someone involved with the right group discovers wikipedia and turns it into a great article. Ojw 19:23, 21 July 2005 (UTC) reply

Your question seems to imply that the stub is about to be deleted. Nothing said so far indicates that. I asked about how many stub articles might fit this stub type but was unanswered. As you are a proponent of this stub and have stated "so many reenactment topics", can you quantify "so many"? -- TheParanoidOne 19:52, 21 July 2005 (UTC) reply

Yes, deleting this one would probably have concerned me more than simply delisting it. Anyway, you ask about numbers. I wrote a stub article today about reenactment (to kick-off this page), but couldn't find a suitable template. So I put it as a generic stub, and someone changed it to Hist-stub. However, Hist-stub already has 800 articles without any subcategories, which makes me wonder if any others in there are reenactment articles that couldn't find a suitable template. As to my 'so many' comment: I know basic published information about various groups and events, but they'll never be more than stubs until the right person comes along to expand them. Since we're trying to expand the non-U.S.A. part of the reenactment articles, I thought it would be useful to create some stubs of English events in order that we have a framework to write articles in. Ojw 20:09, 21 July 2005 (UTC) reply

Category redlink is fixed by now. Currently there are 12 stubs in the category total. Considering how many redlinks we have on the reenactment group list alone, I guess the template wasn't so useless after all. -- Ashmodai 11:48, 23 July 2005 (UTC) reply

{{ Argentina-bio-stub}} / Argentine people stubs

Created by User:Sarge Baldy on the 28th. Added to Category:People stubs today. Use by 52 articles. I haven't removed it from the Category:People stubs list yet, as it seems like it satisfies the relevant criteria. If so, it needs to be added to WP:WSS/ST. -- TheParanoidOne 30 June 2005 05:49 (UTC)

Looks useful, although I'd have preferred it to be either "Category:Argentina..." or "Category:Argentinian..." Grutness... wha? 30 June 2005 06:30 (UTC)

{{ tax-stub}}

Newly added to the Stub type list. nly one article in it - Tax Reform, which is an econ-stub currently awaiting merging. Do we need this one as a separate category? Perhaps we do - econ-stub is pretty full - but is this the best way to split it? Thoughts? Grutness... wha? 1 July 2005 05:18 (UTC)

A Tax stub is definately useful. Go to the taxation or tax reform categories for a list of potential articles. Econ is too full, and those of us wikis working on tax articles would love to have a stub for that purpose of categorizing our work more appropriately in order to get the attention they need. Temporarily, I've discovered 19 articles using {{ tax-stub}} and those are only the ones I've managed to glean from econ stubs doing a simple title search for "tax". There are probably a lot more in econ and other stub categories to make a very viable and useful econ sub category. Inigmatus July 1, 2005 19:41 (UTC)

The {{ tax-stub}} has been created officially now and is open for final review. Inigmatus July 6, 2005 14:59 (UTC)

{{ simpsons-stub}} / Simpsons stubs

Created on June 24th by User:Roadrunner3000. Used by 32 articles. Conscious 3 July 2005 05:24 (UTC)

Considering the amount of Simpsonscruft around the place this will probably be fairly useful. Grutness... wha? 3 July 2005 06:25 (UTC)

{{ Romania-bio-stub}} / Romanian people stubs

Created on July 5th, category contains 81 entries and needs some text added to it. Conscious 5 July 2005 04:55 (UTC)

Various bio-stubs on the People Stubs category page

User:Sarge Baldy is on a bit a bit of a roll with creating stub templates/categories and adding them to the Category:People stubs page.

• {{ afghanistan-bio-stub}} - Category:Afghan people stubs - 19 articles
• {{ algeria-bio-stub}} - Category:Algerian people stubs - 40 articles
• {{ brazil-bio-stub}} - Category:Brazilian people stubs - 66 articles
• {{ bulgaria-bio-stub}} - Category:Bulgarian people stubs - 23 articles
• {{ colombia-bio-stub}} - Category:Colombian people stubs - 36 articles
• {{ egypt-bio-stub}} - Category:Egyptian people stubs - 16 articles
• {{ finland-bio-stub}} - Category:Finnish people stubs - 119 articles
• {{ greece-bio-stub}} - Category:Greek people stubs - 63 articles
• {{ iceland-bio-stub}} - Category:Icelandic people stubs - 39 articles
• {{ lebanon-bio-stub}} - Category:Lebanese people stubs - 21 articles
• {{ North-Korea-bio-stub}} - Category:North Korean people stubs - 6 articles
• {{ peru-bio-stub}} - Category:Peruvian people stubs - 19 articles
• {{ South-Korea-bio-stub}} - Category:South Korean people stubs - 28 articles
• {{ oregon-bio-stub}} - Category:Oregon people stubs - 13 articles
• {{ austria-bio-stub}} - Category:Austrian people stubs - 84 articles
• {{ belize-bio-stub}} - Category:Belizean people stubs - 5 articles
• {{ czech-bio-stub}} - Category:Czech people stubs - 87 articles
• {{ kuwait-bio-stub}} - Category:Kuwaiti people stubs - 8 articles
• {{ mali-bio-stub}} - Category:Malian people stubs - 25 articles
• {{ pakistan-bio-stub}} - Category:Pakistani people stubs - 65 articles
• {{ singapore-bio-stub}} - Category:Singaporean people stubs - 23 articles
• {{ laos-bio-stub}} - Category:Laotian people stubs - 5 articles

I pointed out this project to him on his talk page last night, but two hours later he archived the entire page so I am not sure if he looked at it. If someone else want to point it out, feel free. -- TheParanoidOne 5 July 2005 05:51 (UTC)

Not only that, but having separate North and South Korea categories is going to cut across things a little - it makes no sense to have both of these since - for much of its long and illustrious history - this was just one country. We have Korea-geo-stub and Korea-stub - having two separate bio-stubs is unneccessary. And what's with Oregon-bio-stub? Some of these are perfectly acceptable (Greece, Brazil, Finland, Romania, all look fine) but others...? Grutness... wha? 5 July 2005 11:16 (UTC)

Sigh -well, I left a note on his page, and got a brief, angry response ("...hadn't realised Wikipedia [was] such bureaucratic morass that it was now necessary to receive permission prior to adding new form of categorization.... Frankly I see no reason [...] to ask before making such additions" etc etc) Unfortunately, it pissed me off enough to write a lengthy response on his page. Let's just say I'm probably not Sarge Baldy's favourite Wikipedian at the moment. :/ Grutness... wha? 5 July 2005 12:22 (UTC)

Oh dear :(. Well, for better or for worse, I've updated the above list with seven more entries. (I'm now kind of glad that my post wasn't seen!) -- TheParanoidOne 5 July 2005 12:53 (UTC)

Oh - and you can add {{ Czech-bio-stub}}, {{ Singapore-bio-stub}}, {{ Belize-bio-stub}}(!), {{ Laos-bio-stub}}, {{ Austria-bio-stub}}, {{ Mali-bio-stub}}, {{ Kuwait-bio-stub}}, {{ Pakistan-bio-stub}}, {{ Iran-bio-stub}} and ghu alone knows how many others to that list. Grutness... wha? 5 July 2005 12:37 (UTC)

Heh. I took so long compiling the list that you already mentioned them. -- TheParanoidOne 5 July 2005 12:55 (UTC)

{{ soft-eng-stub}}

Isn't this a subtopic of {{ comp-sci-stub}}? If so, that one isn't so big as to require splitting. On the other hand, there's a Wikipedia:WikiProject Computer science now, which listed it on their project page, and maybe they need it. In any case it's used on one article and the category hasn't been created. -- 84.152.153.113 21:25, 10 July 2005 (UTC) ( <= User:Grm_wnr not logged in) reply

I've redirected it. Personally I can't see the use of it, but the WikiProject may have one. If they do, they'll no doubt ask what's going on, and we can find out more then. Grutness... wha? 01:46, 11 July 2005 (UTC) reply

{{ Argentina-stub}}

Found this stub and category July 14 and inserted into WP:WSS/ST. The template was created in late June by User:Marianocecowski. Found as a sub-category under Category:South America stubs. Courtland 03:46, July 14, 2005 (UTC)

I'm surprised we didn't already have this stub - sounds like a perfectly reasonable one to have. Grutness... wha? 05:21, 21 July 2005 (UTC) reply

{{ statute-stub}}

I found {{ statute-stub}} and Category:Statute stubs on 14 July 2005; I added them to WP:WSS/ST. The template was created on July 11 2005 by User:PullUpYourSocks. It is a subcategory of Category:Law stubs, and it already has ~85 articles. Based on the alphabetic distribution of the articles, many more articles will be added. — Fingers-of-Pyrex 02:28, July 15, 2005 (UTC)

{{ Halifax College-stub}}

Created yesterday by James Flinders ( talk · contribs). Discovered as a consequence of Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Sally Brabyn. The original template also applied Category:Halifax College stubs, but that was removed by 172.213.111.53 ( talk · contribs). Uncle G 10:31, 16 July 2005 (UTC) reply

We only deleted a stub template and category for the University of York a couple of weeks back - I'd suggest that that would be precedent best followed bhere. If we're going to have templates for every college and university on the planet, then the stub type list is going to grow rather large. Wonder why anyone would remove a stub category from a stub template...? Grutness... wha? 12:45, 16 July 2005 (UTC) reply

{{ Cayman-Stub}}/ Category:Cayman stubs

I've moved the template to Cayman-stub (small s), but this one's still annoying. I saw it and thought "We don't even have a separate stub for crocodiles - what's going on", but no, this is for the Cayman Islands. Only 25 stubs, most of which are at least as well covered by Caribbean-geo-stub (since they are geo-stubs). At the very least this will need a rename. Grutness... wha? 11:41, 19 July 2005 (UTC) reply

{{ case-law-stub}} and {{ SCOTUS-case-stub}}

I found {{ case-law-stub}} and {{ SCOTUS-case-stub}} (corresponding categories Category:Case law stubs and Category:U.S. Supreme Court stubs) on 21 July 2005; I added them to WP:WSS/ST. The templates were created on July 8 2005 and July 11 2005 by PullUpYourSocks. Category:Case law stubs is a subcategory of Category:Law stubs, and it has ~35 articles. Category:U.S. Supreme Court stubs is a subcategory of Category:Case law stubs, and it has ~35 articles. — Fingers-of-Pyrex 19:03, July 21, 2005 (UTC)

Slovakia-geo-stub

This one's a weird one. User:Naive cynic made it - as a redirect to the European geography stub category (weird enough, to start with). Then, a few days later, User:Juro activated it, creating a new Category:Slovakia geography stubs. He then proceeded to make it a subcategory of Category:Slovakia-related stubs, which he created, even though there was an already-extant Category:Slovakia stubs. It'd be really nice to know what's been going on. Oh, and at last count there were 53 Slovakian stubs, so it can be fairly well populated - it's just annoying that it'll require some work. Grutness... wha? 10:12, 23 July 2005 (UTC) reply

Grutness has asked me to comment on this. I created this redirect to save some conversion work in the future. It redirected to {{euro-geo-stub}}, so it worked exactly like it. The only difference was in not having to reedit articles when the Slovakia geography stub category would be created. -- Naive cynic 14:32, 23 July 2005 (UTC) reply

I'm not really here (I'm on wikibreak), but... All the stubs in the Euro category are in a database saying where they're from, and doing the work now and doing it when the stub is created means simply doiung the same amount of work - so nothing is saved in doing it early. In fact, if the stub is not going to be created, which is always possible, the work's been done for mothing. Using redirects also doubles the server load, since both the redirect and the "real" template have to be used. So creating an unproposed template early as a redirect actually increases the server load and potentially wastes energy that may never be needed. What's more, the database lists a lot of articles where the stub wasn't changed, and it will be a little extra work sorting which ones have and which ones haven't in restubbing, so it's created yet more work from that point of view. All in all, a considerable amount more work was created both in terms of server load and stub sorting, and it prompted someone else to create a duplicate category that may not otherwise have been made. I appreciate the thought behind what you did, but it was yet another of those good intentions that didn't really help. Grutness... wha? 06:47, 24 July 2005 (UTC) reply

{{ Ukraine-bio-stub}}

I found this stub template by accident while sorting some of {{ bio-stub}}. It seems to have been created by an anon editor a week ago, without creating the matching category. It has three articles at present, although undoubtably more could be found. Should I create the category? -- ScottDavis 11:49, 30 July 2005 (UTC) reply

You can do if you like. There's a redlink there which has been there since the template was made, so at least any new articles put in there won't need to be null-edited to go into any created category - that's the main thing for now while we see how useful the category is (so no articles just fall into a void). Having the category there will make it easier for editors to find them though. Grutness... wha? 12:06, 30 July 2005 (UTC) reply

Well this Google search would seem to imply that there are about 50 Ukrainian bio stubs currently living in bio-stub. A Google search is obviously not a completely accurate measure, but it seems to me that it's a borderline case. Given that bio-stub numbers in the many thousands though, this might not be worth it. A {{ europe-bio-stub}} might be useful for these small groupings of country-bio stubs. I'm surprised that it doesn't already exist, though. -- TheParanoidOne 12:09, 30 July 2005 (UTC) reply

There are a further 30 or so in Category:Ukraine-related stubs, so it may be a bit nearer to safety as far as criteria are concerned. {{ Euro-bio-stub}} would fit in better with the other names we use, BTW. Grutness... wha? 12:16, 30 July 2005 (UTC) reply

In any case, is it likely to help editors (that is the purpose of stub categories, let’s keep our eyes on the ball) to have separate stub category for Ukrainians keeping them apart from Russians? Susvolans (pigs can fly) 12:14, 30 July 2005 (UTC) reply

Yike. Better not tell any Ukrainians where you live Susvolans! (Yes, I know. Not in Surrey ;). There are quite a few Eastern European editors around working on items specifically on countries such as Ukraine and Belarus, so it may well be worth having. Also the Russian category is likely to get quite big. Grutness... wha? 12:24, 30 July 2005 (UTC) reply

Category:Ukrainian people stubs has been created. Thanks for the search list to filter out the bio-stubs. -- ScottDavis 13:05, 30 July 2005 (UTC) reply

{{ Mountain-stub}}

Created by User:Maoririder who seems to have created several out-of-process stub types recently. i have listed this one on SfD. DES ^(talk) 17:45, 1 August 2005 (UTC) reply

Slightly off-topic, but quite frankly I thing User:Maoririder is taking the piss, and I applaud your patience (and those of the others who have been active on his/her talk page). -- TheParanoidOne 20:09, 1 August 2005 (UTC) reply

Wasn't {{ mountain-stub}} proposed and rejected a few months ago? Aecis 18:19, 2 August 2005 (UTC) reply

Quite possibly it was - or you might be thinking about river-stub, which was discovered, deleted, then proposed again a few months later and rejected. Grutness... wha? 01:13, 3 August 2005 (UTC) reply

{{ Oregon-stub}}

Created by User:Maoririder. No category. I have listed this on SfD also. DES ^(talk) 19:02, 1 August 2005 (UTC) reply

{{ Kansas-stub}}

As with the previous two, created by User:Maoririder. No category. Limited scope. Listed on SfD. DES ^(talk) 19:29, 1 August 2005 (UTC) reply