There is a relatively old and established {{ fest-stub}} (This festival-related article...). Unsurprisingly, there are also a fair number of music festival articles in {{ music-stub}} (e.g. Aerodrome Festival), and a small number of music festival articles in fest-stub. So, where should they go? A subcategory of both would be the most consistent way, but the number seems to be too low (wild guess: 30-50). Another thing to ponder is if fest-stub is useful in its current wording anyway, since it clearly cuts across multiple stub categories (music-stub, reli-stub, film-stub...) which have little to do with each other besides of having festivals, and well, who's a specialist on festivals? Your opinions would be greatly appreciated. -- grm_wnr Esc 12:53, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
I have noticed that the 70+ Puerto Rico city stubs have been split between {{ US-geo-stub}} and {{ Caribbean-geo-stub}}. This proposed stub would be able to handle all of these plus existing stubs for Guam and the minor islands in the Hawaiian chain. Name is based off of the current Insular area term to reduce confusion with historical US territories. -- Allen3 talk 15:55, May 21, 2005 (UTC)
I could only find about 15 Puerto Rican cities in US-geo-stub, all of which I have now moved into caribbean-geo-stub. And that only makes 48 Puerto Rican geo-stubs in all, since about half of the cities have articles that are beyond stub level. Looks like no {{ PuertoRico-geo-stub}} for now... Grutness... wha? 07:56, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
I think the need has come for fruit stubs. for eg. Indian Berry is not a plant instead a fruit of which i have little information. but there is no fruit stub. i came across another one which was listed as a plant stub until i improved and it was no longer a stub. there would be many such articles and fruits yet to be listed. I find that many asian fruits r still missing in the wikipedia so they would all fit niceley under the {{ fruit stub}} if it is created. the icon picture could include a banana since it is universally recognized. -- Idleguy 11:21, May 28, 2005 (UTC)
Continuing the break up of bio-stubs by nationality... These four seem very likely candidates. And before anyone asks, all Chinese - PRC and RoC! Grutness... wha? 12:28, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
Courtland 05:38, 2005 May 29 (UTC)
I've created all four. I'm expecting some kind of problems over the definition of "China" (those of you who've been around WP:WSS for a while will know what I mean!), but hopefully it can be averted to some extent. I'll try to head one of those most likely off at the pass... :) Grutness... wha? 12:20, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
{{ Caucasus-geo-stub}} has always been a bit of a problem - everyone knows were the caucasus is, but not many people can remember what countries are there. This stub actually covers just three countries, Azerbaijan, Armenia, and Georgia. Azerbaijan now has about 80 stubs, and Armenia has over 60, with only Georgia well below any kind of threshold for a separate category. I would like to propose creating {{ Armenia-geo-stub}} and {{ Azerbaijan-geo-stub}}, and redirecting {{ Caucasus-geo-stub}} (with all its remaining Georgian stubs) to the holding pen of {{ Euro-geo-stub}}.
By the way, I've just finished a re-count of the geo-stubs of all un-split countries - there are now nine with over 50 stubs each, though only five of them have 60 or more (none are that close to 100). The full list is at User:Grutness/Geo-stub tallying if anyone's interested. Grutness... wha? 09:51, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
I see there's a California stub already ({{Calif-geo-stub}}). Are there any criteria for creating other state-based stubs? What about naming conventions, if any? Would it make sense to use the two-letter USPS abbreviation as in {{US-AL-geo-stub}} to {{US-WY-geo-stub}}? -- Fingers-of-Pyrex 20:35, 2005 May 31 (UTC)
I have just been bold. {{ Calif-geo-stub}} now redirects to {{ California-geo-stub}}. And, after counting through the first page of US geo-stubs (while doing so removing the odd school-stub, struct-stub, and geol-stub), one state stands head and shoulders above the rest in terms of numbers... California. Seems whoever created that category didn't think to look for too many stubs... I shall post the names of any states that pass the 100 stub threshold here as they pass that mark. Grutness... wha? 08:28, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Image showing only regions removed, see better one below. grm_wnr
A thought: If the US is being broken up into either regions or states, is it about time the annoying (and badly-named) {{ state park-stub}} was deprecated? or is there a wikiproject using it? Grutness... wha? 10:07, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Well, I've now gone through all the US-geo-stubs. This is my suggestion for a split - the numbers are the approximate number that are in each category
No other states reach 100 stubs, although several are close (Colorado, Florida, Illinois, and Ohio each have 75 or more). Grutness... wha? 09:35, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
If you prefer. The reason I used those names is that overseas (i.e., outside the US) if you hear "New York" and "Washington", you instantly think of the cities. The states are usually named with the word "state" after their names - I don't know how they're called in the US, though so if "New York" and "Washington" are usually taken to mean the states, that's fine. There is, BTW, already a NYC-stub (but not a geo-stub). By the way - as with the uncategorised countries, I'm adding the full list as it currently stands to my geo-stub tallying page Grutness... wha? 12:14, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
(for some reason this bit got shifted, or I didn't edit it in right the first time...) I've started putting the list in here. I'll add the south and west when I get time (probably after the down-time's over). Grutness... wha? 00:04, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I have created {{ US-south-geo-stub}} and Category:Southern US geography stubs. Can y'all check to ensure I did it right? Thanks. -- Fingers-of-Pyrex 14:04, 2005 Jun 6 (UTC)
Are we double stubbing structures according to region/state or not? -- Spangineer (háblame) 16:49, Jun 8, 2005 (UTC)
What about amusement park stubs? Do they belong in xx-geo-stub as some of them are now ( Hamel's Amusement Park, for example)? At least one is in {{ US-stub}}: Oaks Amusement Park. For what it's worth, there is a lightly populated {{ Ride-stub}} for amusement park rides, but not for the parks themselves. Would it be good to create a amusement park stub category and put parks and rides in it? -- Fingers-of-Pyrex 19:26, 2005 Jun 9 (UTC)
What about zoos? Are they geo stubs, struct stubs ({{ US-struct-stub}}), or regional stubs ({{ US-stub}})? -- Fingers-of-Pyrex 20:08, 2005 Jun 14 (UTC)
I should have asked this before now. What about for areas that span more than one region (for example, Great Allegheny Passage and The Wedge (border))? There are other examples, such as mountain ranges, that are double stubbed as {{ Colorado-geo-stub}} and {{ US-west-geo-stub}} when the feature extends outside of Colorado. Should these be double stubbed with both relevant regions, or should areas such as this stay in {{ US-geo-stub}}? -- Fingers-of-Pyrex 17:33, 2005 Jun 15 (UTC)
Only about 15 left in the main US geo category. I think we're done. =) -- Spangineer (háblame) 00:43, Jun 17, 2005 (UTC)
Spangineer, Fingers-of-Pyrex, Decumanus, and anyone else who helped out on this huge task, I present my wikithanks to you! Grutness... wha? 01:41, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)
No articles associated with it, and no category created. It probably should be TFD'd unless anyone suggests that it is useful. BlankVerse ∅ 02:11, 1 May 2005 (UTC)
Note: Nominated at WP:TFD. BlankVerse ∅ 06:37, 21 May 2005 (UTC)
Not on the stub types list. It also doesn't have its own stub category, and feeds into both Category:Party related stubs and Category:Liberal related stubs. If we decide to keep it (a great humber of articles link to it), we should make a decision if this sort of categorization is a good thing or not. On a related note, {{ liberal-stub}} is double categorized too, but with Category:Liberal related stubs and Category:Politics stubs, which is clearly redundant - the latter is the parent category of the former. I propose creating a category for {{ liberalparty-stub}}, and removing Category:Politics stubs from {{ liberal-stub}} (adjusting the wording of the stub message accordingly) -- grm_wnr Esc 05:27, 1 May 2005 (UTC)
With one of the recent changes in the WikiMedia software, you can now search just the Template namespace. You can use the following link to start at what I think is the beginning: All pages (Template namespace) - starting at "!". I've checked the first two pages-worth, from Template:- to Template:Basilan. I then checked any stub templates I didn't recognize against the list at Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Stub types. I found the following "unlisted" stubs (although I think some else has already found and mentioned template:2stub.
Template:2stub would have been a great idea if there had been enough planning at the beginning so that template names matched category names. Unfortunately very few do, so the template absolutely must be deleted to prevent its misuse. Template:3stub is a weird orphan created by an anon and can be deleted. The award-stub should also be deleted with the articles moved into more appropriate categories (film-stub, lit-stub, etc.) (I found a very long list of awards List of prizes, medals, and awards, and although the few articles that I checked all needed some work, I wouldn't have called any of them stubs).
If there was a generic buisiness-stub, the ad-stub would probably not be needed, but without it, there are probably enough advertising stubs that are currently"hiding" in other stub categories to make the ad-stub worthwhile, (although I would probably rename it to advert-stub). BlankVerse ∅ 08:49, 2 May 2005 (UTC)
I've added Award-stub to the stub types listing. Courtland 16:11, 2005 May 8 (UTC)
stub template | created by | when | no.of articles | type of stubs | notes |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
{{ Britcartoonist-bio-stub}} | User: Hiding | 1 May | 1 | (British cartoonists) | Redirected to {{ comics-creator-stub}} |
{{ censorship-stub}} | User: Tedius Zanarukando | March 30 | 2 | (Censorship) | No category - DELETED |
{{ CP-stub}} | User: Soman | 2 May | 50+ | (Communist Party) | now listed at WP:WSS/ST |
{{ comicbookpub-stub}} | User: Hiding | 2 May | 5 | (Comics publishers) | DELETED |
{{ Faroe-geo-stub}} | User: Jogvanj | 18 April | 8 | (Faroe Islands) | now listed at WP:WSS/ST |
{{ Furniture-stub}} | User: Hailey C. Shannon | 19 April | 2 | (Furniture) | now listed at WP:WSS/ST |
{{ MEast-stub}} | User: BanyanTree | 22 April | 12 | (Middle East) | now listed at WP:WSS/ST |
{{ Paleoantropology-stub}} (sic) | User: Nickshanks | 27 April | 1 | (Palaeoanthropology) | Misspelt, category not created - DELETED |
{{ Pcb21 stub test}} | User: Pcb21 | (-) | (-) | in user space only | DELETED |
I was bold and speedied the clearly nonsense "Eszett-stub", and redirected "JP-stub" to "Japan-stub" and "Uncategorized stub" to "Stub".
I haven't got the will-power to even put these on Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Stub types tonight, let alone do anything about them. As I said - I'm going to have a bit of a lie down now. Grutness| hello? 11:16, 2 May 2005 (UTC)
FWIW I'd vote
CP-stub should probably be renamed. I would also rename MEast-stub to MidEast-stub. BlankVerse ∅ 07:18, 3 May 2005 (UTC)
Categories that include others should not be deleted: there will always be articles we can't fit anywhere precisely
I did the same with this one (nominated at WP:TFD), which had been mentioned in the past as requiring deletion pretty quickly. Thatwas about a month ago... Grutness... wha? 05:58, 21 May 2005 (UTC)
Unless there are any objections, I would like to propose the following stub deletions: Grutness... wha? 07:54, 22 May 2005 (UTC)
Moved to WP:SFD
Moved to WP:SFD
There is a relatively old and established {{ fest-stub}} (This festival-related article...). Unsurprisingly, there are also a fair number of music festival articles in {{ music-stub}} (e.g. Aerodrome Festival), and a small number of music festival articles in fest-stub. So, where should they go? A subcategory of both would be the most consistent way, but the number seems to be too low (wild guess: 30-50). Another thing to ponder is if fest-stub is useful in its current wording anyway, since it clearly cuts across multiple stub categories (music-stub, reli-stub, film-stub...) which have little to do with each other besides of having festivals, and well, who's a specialist on festivals? Your opinions would be greatly appreciated. -- grm_wnr Esc 12:53, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
I have noticed that the 70+ Puerto Rico city stubs have been split between {{ US-geo-stub}} and {{ Caribbean-geo-stub}}. This proposed stub would be able to handle all of these plus existing stubs for Guam and the minor islands in the Hawaiian chain. Name is based off of the current Insular area term to reduce confusion with historical US territories. -- Allen3 talk 15:55, May 21, 2005 (UTC)
I could only find about 15 Puerto Rican cities in US-geo-stub, all of which I have now moved into caribbean-geo-stub. And that only makes 48 Puerto Rican geo-stubs in all, since about half of the cities have articles that are beyond stub level. Looks like no {{ PuertoRico-geo-stub}} for now... Grutness... wha? 07:56, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
I think the need has come for fruit stubs. for eg. Indian Berry is not a plant instead a fruit of which i have little information. but there is no fruit stub. i came across another one which was listed as a plant stub until i improved and it was no longer a stub. there would be many such articles and fruits yet to be listed. I find that many asian fruits r still missing in the wikipedia so they would all fit niceley under the {{ fruit stub}} if it is created. the icon picture could include a banana since it is universally recognized. -- Idleguy 11:21, May 28, 2005 (UTC)
Continuing the break up of bio-stubs by nationality... These four seem very likely candidates. And before anyone asks, all Chinese - PRC and RoC! Grutness... wha? 12:28, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
Courtland 05:38, 2005 May 29 (UTC)
I've created all four. I'm expecting some kind of problems over the definition of "China" (those of you who've been around WP:WSS for a while will know what I mean!), but hopefully it can be averted to some extent. I'll try to head one of those most likely off at the pass... :) Grutness... wha? 12:20, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
{{ Caucasus-geo-stub}} has always been a bit of a problem - everyone knows were the caucasus is, but not many people can remember what countries are there. This stub actually covers just three countries, Azerbaijan, Armenia, and Georgia. Azerbaijan now has about 80 stubs, and Armenia has over 60, with only Georgia well below any kind of threshold for a separate category. I would like to propose creating {{ Armenia-geo-stub}} and {{ Azerbaijan-geo-stub}}, and redirecting {{ Caucasus-geo-stub}} (with all its remaining Georgian stubs) to the holding pen of {{ Euro-geo-stub}}.
By the way, I've just finished a re-count of the geo-stubs of all un-split countries - there are now nine with over 50 stubs each, though only five of them have 60 or more (none are that close to 100). The full list is at User:Grutness/Geo-stub tallying if anyone's interested. Grutness... wha? 09:51, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
I see there's a California stub already ({{Calif-geo-stub}}). Are there any criteria for creating other state-based stubs? What about naming conventions, if any? Would it make sense to use the two-letter USPS abbreviation as in {{US-AL-geo-stub}} to {{US-WY-geo-stub}}? -- Fingers-of-Pyrex 20:35, 2005 May 31 (UTC)
I have just been bold. {{ Calif-geo-stub}} now redirects to {{ California-geo-stub}}. And, after counting through the first page of US geo-stubs (while doing so removing the odd school-stub, struct-stub, and geol-stub), one state stands head and shoulders above the rest in terms of numbers... California. Seems whoever created that category didn't think to look for too many stubs... I shall post the names of any states that pass the 100 stub threshold here as they pass that mark. Grutness... wha? 08:28, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Image showing only regions removed, see better one below. grm_wnr
A thought: If the US is being broken up into either regions or states, is it about time the annoying (and badly-named) {{ state park-stub}} was deprecated? or is there a wikiproject using it? Grutness... wha? 10:07, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Well, I've now gone through all the US-geo-stubs. This is my suggestion for a split - the numbers are the approximate number that are in each category
No other states reach 100 stubs, although several are close (Colorado, Florida, Illinois, and Ohio each have 75 or more). Grutness... wha? 09:35, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
If you prefer. The reason I used those names is that overseas (i.e., outside the US) if you hear "New York" and "Washington", you instantly think of the cities. The states are usually named with the word "state" after their names - I don't know how they're called in the US, though so if "New York" and "Washington" are usually taken to mean the states, that's fine. There is, BTW, already a NYC-stub (but not a geo-stub). By the way - as with the uncategorised countries, I'm adding the full list as it currently stands to my geo-stub tallying page Grutness... wha? 12:14, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
(for some reason this bit got shifted, or I didn't edit it in right the first time...) I've started putting the list in here. I'll add the south and west when I get time (probably after the down-time's over). Grutness... wha? 00:04, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I have created {{ US-south-geo-stub}} and Category:Southern US geography stubs. Can y'all check to ensure I did it right? Thanks. -- Fingers-of-Pyrex 14:04, 2005 Jun 6 (UTC)
Are we double stubbing structures according to region/state or not? -- Spangineer (háblame) 16:49, Jun 8, 2005 (UTC)
What about amusement park stubs? Do they belong in xx-geo-stub as some of them are now ( Hamel's Amusement Park, for example)? At least one is in {{ US-stub}}: Oaks Amusement Park. For what it's worth, there is a lightly populated {{ Ride-stub}} for amusement park rides, but not for the parks themselves. Would it be good to create a amusement park stub category and put parks and rides in it? -- Fingers-of-Pyrex 19:26, 2005 Jun 9 (UTC)
What about zoos? Are they geo stubs, struct stubs ({{ US-struct-stub}}), or regional stubs ({{ US-stub}})? -- Fingers-of-Pyrex 20:08, 2005 Jun 14 (UTC)
I should have asked this before now. What about for areas that span more than one region (for example, Great Allegheny Passage and The Wedge (border))? There are other examples, such as mountain ranges, that are double stubbed as {{ Colorado-geo-stub}} and {{ US-west-geo-stub}} when the feature extends outside of Colorado. Should these be double stubbed with both relevant regions, or should areas such as this stay in {{ US-geo-stub}}? -- Fingers-of-Pyrex 17:33, 2005 Jun 15 (UTC)
Only about 15 left in the main US geo category. I think we're done. =) -- Spangineer (háblame) 00:43, Jun 17, 2005 (UTC)
Spangineer, Fingers-of-Pyrex, Decumanus, and anyone else who helped out on this huge task, I present my wikithanks to you! Grutness... wha? 01:41, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)
No articles associated with it, and no category created. It probably should be TFD'd unless anyone suggests that it is useful. BlankVerse ∅ 02:11, 1 May 2005 (UTC)
Note: Nominated at WP:TFD. BlankVerse ∅ 06:37, 21 May 2005 (UTC)
Not on the stub types list. It also doesn't have its own stub category, and feeds into both Category:Party related stubs and Category:Liberal related stubs. If we decide to keep it (a great humber of articles link to it), we should make a decision if this sort of categorization is a good thing or not. On a related note, {{ liberal-stub}} is double categorized too, but with Category:Liberal related stubs and Category:Politics stubs, which is clearly redundant - the latter is the parent category of the former. I propose creating a category for {{ liberalparty-stub}}, and removing Category:Politics stubs from {{ liberal-stub}} (adjusting the wording of the stub message accordingly) -- grm_wnr Esc 05:27, 1 May 2005 (UTC)
With one of the recent changes in the WikiMedia software, you can now search just the Template namespace. You can use the following link to start at what I think is the beginning: All pages (Template namespace) - starting at "!". I've checked the first two pages-worth, from Template:- to Template:Basilan. I then checked any stub templates I didn't recognize against the list at Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Stub types. I found the following "unlisted" stubs (although I think some else has already found and mentioned template:2stub.
Template:2stub would have been a great idea if there had been enough planning at the beginning so that template names matched category names. Unfortunately very few do, so the template absolutely must be deleted to prevent its misuse. Template:3stub is a weird orphan created by an anon and can be deleted. The award-stub should also be deleted with the articles moved into more appropriate categories (film-stub, lit-stub, etc.) (I found a very long list of awards List of prizes, medals, and awards, and although the few articles that I checked all needed some work, I wouldn't have called any of them stubs).
If there was a generic buisiness-stub, the ad-stub would probably not be needed, but without it, there are probably enough advertising stubs that are currently"hiding" in other stub categories to make the ad-stub worthwhile, (although I would probably rename it to advert-stub). BlankVerse ∅ 08:49, 2 May 2005 (UTC)
I've added Award-stub to the stub types listing. Courtland 16:11, 2005 May 8 (UTC)
stub template | created by | when | no.of articles | type of stubs | notes |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
{{ Britcartoonist-bio-stub}} | User: Hiding | 1 May | 1 | (British cartoonists) | Redirected to {{ comics-creator-stub}} |
{{ censorship-stub}} | User: Tedius Zanarukando | March 30 | 2 | (Censorship) | No category - DELETED |
{{ CP-stub}} | User: Soman | 2 May | 50+ | (Communist Party) | now listed at WP:WSS/ST |
{{ comicbookpub-stub}} | User: Hiding | 2 May | 5 | (Comics publishers) | DELETED |
{{ Faroe-geo-stub}} | User: Jogvanj | 18 April | 8 | (Faroe Islands) | now listed at WP:WSS/ST |
{{ Furniture-stub}} | User: Hailey C. Shannon | 19 April | 2 | (Furniture) | now listed at WP:WSS/ST |
{{ MEast-stub}} | User: BanyanTree | 22 April | 12 | (Middle East) | now listed at WP:WSS/ST |
{{ Paleoantropology-stub}} (sic) | User: Nickshanks | 27 April | 1 | (Palaeoanthropology) | Misspelt, category not created - DELETED |
{{ Pcb21 stub test}} | User: Pcb21 | (-) | (-) | in user space only | DELETED |
I was bold and speedied the clearly nonsense "Eszett-stub", and redirected "JP-stub" to "Japan-stub" and "Uncategorized stub" to "Stub".
I haven't got the will-power to even put these on Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Stub types tonight, let alone do anything about them. As I said - I'm going to have a bit of a lie down now. Grutness| hello? 11:16, 2 May 2005 (UTC)
FWIW I'd vote
CP-stub should probably be renamed. I would also rename MEast-stub to MidEast-stub. BlankVerse ∅ 07:18, 3 May 2005 (UTC)
Categories that include others should not be deleted: there will always be articles we can't fit anywhere precisely
I did the same with this one (nominated at WP:TFD), which had been mentioned in the past as requiring deletion pretty quickly. Thatwas about a month ago... Grutness... wha? 05:58, 21 May 2005 (UTC)
Unless there are any objections, I would like to propose the following stub deletions: Grutness... wha? 07:54, 22 May 2005 (UTC)
Moved to WP:SFD
Moved to WP:SFD