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Having learned how VisualEditor works, the problems make far more sense - it has to convert Wikitext to a carefully-formatted and marked-up intermediary (based on HTML, though this is largely because it simplifies displaying it in the browser), in a reversible way, with a lot of tests to make sure it only changes the bits that were actually changed. Parsoid really is an ingenious reinterpreter, but it was bound to have some problems.
Also, the lack of features also makes sense - everything's basically handled as a modular expansion, apparently, even bold and italic are, effectively, in the same modular coding. They needed to get the base right, then they could begin rushing into other features.
In short, I'm... just going to retract 99% of everything I've said about VisualEditor, and apologise. It's a very, very clever project, and, if it wasn't explained very well, well, time to move on from that.
My only request to the VisualEditor team is to please get those videos up as soon as possible. Everyone needs to see them. Just having VisualEditor explained, in full, makes the whole thing make sense in a way that it didn't before, and makes me hugely optimistic for its future. Adam Cuerden ( talk) 15:27, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
Actually, one of my best memories of Wikimania is trying to use VE, hitting a problem where I couldn't figure out how to do references, asking James about it, and ending up spending about half an hour in a rather productive discussion of design interface ideas with him. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Adam Cuerden ( talk • contribs) 2215, 13 August 2013
Status | New: |
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Description | I use keyboard shortcuts to edit, save and preview an article or to show its changes. For instance, to preview I use <shift><alt>P. The shortcuts still work, except <shift><alt>V (show the changes), which stopped working when the Visual Editor was introduced: currently, <shift><alt>V simply positions the cursor on the "Show the changes" button. JmCor ( talk) 03:49, 10 August 2013 (UTC) |
To duplicate: | Open an article in the edit mode; do some changes; try <shift><alt>P (works), then and try <shift><alt>V (doesn't). |
Operating system | Windows 7 |
Web browser | Firefox |
Site | |
Workaround | Use <shift><alt>V to position the cursor on the button then click the button. |
Skin | |
Resolution | |
Bugzilla |
JmCor ( talk) 03:49, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
This is really awful what you have done here. Cyberplasm ( talk) 19:15, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
Elitre, I love you and all of the VE folks for your work on the editor and on this page, but I believe I must say this: when it comes to usability issues reported by newbies, "read the manual" is a fundamentally unhelpful response. Newbies, who possess the very instincts that VE should be designed to facilitate, never read the manual. If users are required to read the manual before being able to perform tasks that they feel they instinctively know how to do, the interface is not designed correctly. (And I would say this in the context of any newbie-oriented interface, not just VE.) <3 ♥ Cryptic C62 · Talk 23:06, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
Curiously Elitre's read the manual conflicts with JDF's "In general, if you have to prompt a user with text telling them what to do, your interface has failed." I tried to get some sort of text description explaining how to use references into the dialog boxes but it was shot down by JDF pretty swiftly in T54250.-- Salix ( talk): 08:53, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
So why not make the reflist editable? As just about every object you see on a page is directly editable with the VE, of course having the reflist not editable is counter-intuitive. Displaying a message is a workaround, but VE could also be much more helpful by just letting you edit the references. Surely needs this some work and fleshing out how to exactly do this, but I am sure this is more helpful than adding in messages. -- WS ( talk) 10:53, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
I just checked out Visual Editor as an IP user —didn't feel like logging in, just clicked the "edit beta" option by a section heading. I was greeted with a small two line pop-up message window which read:
This is our new, easier way to edit. It's still in beta, which means you might find parts of the page you
That's was it in it's entirety. (Well, excepting a heading which was in image format rather than select-able text.)
Re-scaling my page view (via Chrome browser via Bodhi Linux) re-sized but brought up no further text.
Hmm, I just checked my settings and Chrome's default text size was set to "very large". That may have been what caused the text to display incompletely. (I've mostly been using Firefox lately, 1st I've launched Chrome in awhile.)
I seem to have figured it out—narrowed it down to local user settings—but I'll post anyway on the chance it may help someone else.
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-- Kevjonesin ( talk) 05:57, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
I wanted to delete the whole content of a test page and add something new. This is the page, but I get the same effect on other pages. Steps to reproduce:
Now clicking does not place the cursor on the page, and typing does not add content.
Vector, Win7, FF23.0. JohnCD ( talk) 16:50, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
This is not a contrived test, I encountered it in "real life" as a instance of VE not behaving as I expected. Steps to reproduce:
As a general comment, using VE I feel the lack of an "Undo" facility; when one has made a mistake, there often seems no alternative to going back to square one and starting the whole edit again.
Vector, Win7, FF23.0. JohnCD ( talk) 17:20, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
Mahitgar ( talk) 15:21, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
T47132 discusses this. There, James comments that instead of displaying the warning, VisualEditor could: "auto-fix for them (insert a "== References ==\n" section just above the categories), though this (a) sucks, (b) enforces a particular wiki's style on other wikis in code, and (c) would be difficult to internationalise"
He does not elaborate on why it "sucks", but b and c are obviously valid points. This is not to say however that these problems are not insurmountable - if you have any ideas please do share them, either direct at bugzilla:45132 or via here if you prefer. Thryduulf ( talk) 15:51, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
Surely b and c can be resolved by having some wiki-specific settings somewhere on the wiki itself that are respected by the VE? So it could simply be specified which sections and/or templates go before or after the reflist and it would be simple to adapt that for other-language wikis. -- WS ( talk) 11:41, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
Before it worked to disable VE by adblocking it. This completely removed the "Edit source" cruft etc. for IP-editors. Now for some reason, although the VE obviously doesn't work when it's blocked, the annoying labels are still showing up. This seems to have been done deliberately to sabotage this method of disabling VE for non-logged-in users. And I find it completely distasteful if that's the case. Is it really so hard to again make the appearance of the VE-related cruft dependent on whether the VE-module is loaded or not? 86.30.135.155 ( talk) 20:58, 12 August 2013 (UTC) (disgusted editor)
modules=ext.visualEditor ##li#ca-ve-edit ##a.mw-editsection-visualeditor ##span.mw-editsection-divider ##span.mw-editsection-bracket
Lucitania is not the correct spelling. Lusitania is. 81.100.91.60 ( talk) 10:27, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
Hi, do not know what is going on with this edit but the editor appears to have top/tailed the article with <embed type="application/x-datavault" width="0" height="0" /> for some reason. Keith D ( talk) 10:53, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
When editing a reference, there is no indication at all if it is used multiple times throughout the article. This makes it very easy to screw up references, e.g. when you replace a ref for one sentence by changing it and it gets propagated throughout the article. WS ( talk) 11:45, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
This is very important. Loading the source is still faster. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 4h8s ( talk • contribs) 21:36, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
I'm using Chrome and I right clicked to corred "32 GB" (it should be "32GB"), and it duplicated "GB". It resulted in displaying "32GB GB". Eduardo06sp ( talk) 02:17, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
The wikitext markup detected message that appears when you type wikitext in the VE, doesn't disappear when you remove the wikitext. WS ( talk) 15:45, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
I was under the impressione that, when overwriting, some words were skipped, i.e. they were deleted. Ithunn ( talk) 19:02, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
I know there's a lot of new gallery functionality coming in (which looks amazing!), so I'd understand if support is waiting for that, but at the moment, galleries are completely uneditable.
Basic functionality I'd expect might include:
If moving images is as easy as dragging them into position, adding images can probably reasonably add to the end. To allow the gallery itself to be moved, I'd suggest that clicking on the gallery adds a bar at the top (only while it remains the focus, of course), labelled something like "click and drag here to move gallery". (If that's unclear, I could make a mockup), plus a dropdown box for any other actions that might be needed, sort of like the top of a Windows, well, window. One thing VE currently doesn't do enough of is temporarily tweaking the display of an element being edited to make it easier to interact with for editing, but I don't see a way to get the intuitive editing you're looking for without some movement towards that. Adam Cuerden ( talk) 22:40, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
(split from previous section about galleries)
inconvenient. Takes to long to load, can't leave messages why I changed the page. Martina2504 ( talk) 07:15, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
Currently, when you want to edit the format of text that exists far down on the page, you must scroll down, select it, scroll back up, change format, scroll back down to make sure it looks right, etc. My recommendation is to simplify the workflow by having the format bar scroll with the user in some form (or, alternatively, have a format pop up menu of sorts next to the selected text). 67.183.110.137 ( talk) 07:17, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
Please note you are using wrong photograph it belongs to me totally different OM Sharma please delete this photograph OM Sharma 86.19.108.234 ( talk) 19:03, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
With
this edit, the {{
-}}
was moved from the bottom of a section into a heading, effectively yielding the HTML <h3>
<span class="mw-headline" id="2013">
2013<br style="clear:both;" />
</span>
[edit]</h3>
--
Redrose64 (
talk) 18:43, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
{{
-}}
before a heading. I don't know what it is though. I've reported it as
T54658. Thanks for the report.
Thryduulf (
talk) 19:23, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
Hi,
Adding/reusing existing reference multiple time(more than 1 time) blocks all editing,until we close tab from browser,VE does not allow to even to go back and save rest of edited content.Screen simply hangs until we close tab from browser.
Facility to choose from existing references made feel wow great ! but when I wanted to add the same existing reference at multiple places and VE screen blocked all the ways and I had to close the tab from browser I came out frustrated since it did not allow me to save rest of newly written and edited content.
Is this already reported ? if yes can we make atleast button goback work at our earliest and resolve rest of problem in due course.
Thanks and best wishes
Rgds Mahitgar ( talk) 15:15, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
I can't reproduce that in my sandbox using the latest firefox (23) on linux [7] (all the additions were reusing an existing reference, although you wouldn't think that from the wikitext). What operating system are you using, and which reference in which article did you encounter this on? Thryduulf ( talk) 16:48, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
Hello again
I use operating system windows 7. This is none of above bugs but at
bug no 51689 comment-2 User John Broughton in his first point is inter mixing cited issue in wrong bug he says........Not been able to cite the same source two or more times in an article,............
I will try to give screenshot today latter, but not sure how much screen shots would benefit. I will try to repeat steps to reproduce again for win7+Firefox
Mahitgar ( talk) 01:15, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
Well hotcat shouldn't be an issue as I use that too. I've just done another test on a page with exactly one citation template and doing exactly as you did in your screenshots [9]. That didn't result in this bug either, so my guess is that it could be Windows specific, which I can't test as I don't have a Windows computer. Thryduulf ( talk) 10:32, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
Thanks and regards with best wishes
Mahitgar ( talk) 14:04, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
everything is fine
17:31, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
File:GreatNurse.jpeg is a headshot of Virginia Henderson that was uploaded to Commons yesterday. VisualEditor's image feature can't find it, and won't accept file names that it doesn't believe exist. WhatamIdoing ( talk) 00:17, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
While VE does make adding intra-Wiki links a lot easier, I'm having issues adding links to other websites. I know it's probably just me not doing something obvious but it's not particularly intuitive. Red Fiona ( talk) 20:38, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
Since the introduction of VisualEditor, I've been trying to use it as much as possible. However, that isn't always possible. One area which has caused the most difficulty is templates. On VisualEditor, when adding a template, you're supposed to see a list of possible parameters - but it appears this only works for a few templates, and for many more it doesn't work.
In any case, the real problem is that when adding a template with VisualEditor, you need to know the names of its parameters. When normally adding a template, that's not the case; you can just put in terms 1, 2 and 3 and let it work without having to worry about the source code. To give an example, I just tried to add {{ distinguish}} to an article with VisualEditor, but while I've used that template a lot, I realised I had no idea what the parameters are actually called. I never needed to know them before. The same applies to many of the other {{ redirect}}-type templates.
Why can't VisualEditor, rather than requiring the names for the parameters, simply accept 'term 1', 'term 2', 'term 3' and so on? Robofish ( talk) 21:07, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
And speaking as someone who tries to keep WP:VE/UG current, I do not plan to add this information to that guide. We're trying to keep the guide focused on what novice editors need to know. Eventually the tens (hundreds?) of thousands of templates will all have TemplateData, and this will be largely irrelevant. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 21:58, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
I do not use the VE. Nothing against it (and nothing much for it either), quite simply I am used to Opera and it does not work on it, and I'd point that a major feature not working under IE looks like a rather poor choice. Whatever... I wish you good luck, and I am making a point as to I do not have the faintest idea about how VE works, or not. I have noticed a user inserting what they think is 'references' in a couple of articles, see one diff and the other diff. Newbies will make mistakes, always did, always will, here and everywhere, but... IS tere a chance that the VE is helping to further confuse the editor? (Note: A huge template, and lots of text to read and write down to make a report for the *visual* editor?! :-) - Nabla ( talk) 23:03, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
See this edit. Report on frwiki by an other user. All contributions of this user seem to have the same kind of problems. -- NicoV ( Talk on frwiki) 11:54, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
hgilbert ( talk) 07:18, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
One thing I noticed while using the beta editor is that, when I inserted a new reference, there was nothing in the reference section to indicate that a new reference had been edited. Instead, it looks like the references are misaligned or, towards the end, use a citation number that doesn't exist. Jackeys ( talk) 04:40, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
I want to change that whole page 202.142.146.197 ( talk) 06:10, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
This is a minor bug but an important one for accessibility and automation: the tab order in the "Save" dialog in the Visual Editor is rather screwy:
Conventionally, tab order is supposed to go in a logical reading order: left-to-right, top-to-bottom. My expected order was something like this:
Hope this helps. Dcoetzee 08:37, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
There is a bit of lag on Google Chrome running Windows 7. Deathawk ( talk) 08:51, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
As an experienced editor, I considered this new tool a good step forwards in encouraging new people to edit. However, the new editor is actually harder to use than good old wikimarkup. Referencing is infinitely more difficult with the new (and dodgy) templates tool, adding parameters takes far longer than simply using tools like proveit. To make matters worse, after I had finished editing and clicked 'save page' the visual editor hanged and I lost all of my work. Jr8825 • Talk 12:45, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
Here's another observation from further using VE: it's inconvenient that it doesn't have cut/copy and paste functions. I can copy and paste text within my browser, but it doesn't seem to be possible to copy-paste templates and other elements. (In the old editor, this isn't a problem, as you can just copy the source text.) That means there's no way to move a template to another place in an article, or duplicate it, short of recreating the whole thing. I'm not missing something here, am I? Robofish ( talk) 22:20, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
Will there be a way to switch to Edit Source after putting in some changes with the VisualEditor? For example, I fix up some prose with VE, and then I want to make a detailed cite web but don't want to navigate the reference button. - AngusWOOF ( talk) 01:21, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
I inserted a reference in this NS1 Antigen Article. It was in the middle of the article, probably the second last reference, but the visual editor created a new reference at the beginning of the list. Now the numbers of the reference and the text do not add up. Medschneverends ( talk) 03:48, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
How do I create something like this in VE?
The end of the list with commentary. -- Atethnekos ( Discussion, Contributions) 16:42, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
Why have you taken a simple workable system and replaced it with something that is at best cack-handed? Ray Routledge ( talk) 09:20, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
at least, ending nowiki tags are. - The Bushranger One ping only 20:55, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
<nowiki/>
works by itself and isn't an ending tag without a start. See
WP:NOWIKI. VE placed the space in a silly place inside the wikilink instead of outside, and then <nowiki/>
or something else was needed to not make "module" part of the link. Compare
GPS module and
GPS module.
PrimeHunter (
talk) 22:39, 18 August 2013 (UTC)Is this expected behaviour? Take two lines. Line 1 is blank (or has text, doesn't matter). Line 2 has text. Put cursor on line 1, and select some formatting according to the dropdown box. Select all the text on line 2, give it a different formatting according to the drop down box. Go to beginning of line 2 and press backspace, or to (end of) line 1 and press delete. The second line merges with the first line and takes on whatever formatting the first line had. Pressing enter to break the lines doesn't return the formatting. Doesn't happen with bold/italic. -- Atethnekos ( Discussion, Contributions) 16:15, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
Hi, I have been using VE a bit and am chagrined whenever I enter an edit summary and hit "enter", expecting my page to be saved, and only get a new line in the edit summary box. It would be awesome if hitting enter in the edit summary box saved the page. That's all! Keilana| Parlez ici 06:03, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
I'm finding that I cannot re-use a reference in VE if I have just added it in the editor. I first must save an edit with the new source, then re-open the editor to re-use the reference. For some reason, the references do not generate until I've actually saved an edit, so cannot be re-used until the first instance is saved. So if I am using multiple quotes from a single source, I must either cite only the first quote until I save my work and re-open the editor, thus leaving the other quotes temporarily unattributed, which I don't like doing, or else I must only transcribe the first quote, cite it and save, then re-open the editor to add the other quotes, which is quite time consuming.-- ¿3fam ily6 contribs 16:01, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
In the wikitext editor, you drag-n-drop text and code from one part of an article to another. VE (still?) doesn't support this. This might seem trivial, but I've found that drag-n-drop is a nice enough convenience to be significant.-- ¿3fam ily6 contribs 16:08, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
According to http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Wikipedia_talk%3AFlow&diff=569260097&oldid=569182992, the <math> tag is supported in Parsoid, but not in VE, due to a lack of a hook. Since LaTeX is so ubiquitous in math markup, a trivial hook that just added the option to add math from the interface (with the instructions stating it uses LaTeX markup), and the ability to edit preexisting math would likely solve a lot of issues. A fully visual version probably isn't as useful in the short term when the code is so standardised.
Another easy support that could be added would be a simple, cut-and-paste-in-the-code LilyPond hook. There are many programs that format LilyPond, so merely pasting it in isn't so bad of preliminary functionality, particularly if you link to http://lilypond.org/web/about/faq in the pop-up box. Adam Cuerden ( talk) 18:44, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
The beta version lacks a way to add a column in an existing table or insert a new table Tinyhelper ( talk) 19:48, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
I experimented with the Beta editor to insert a reference to a source for something I had just added to the Cradley Heath Baptist Church article. I used what I thought was a Preview function which came up as Compare Changes. When I saved the edit, the reference came up in the text, complete with the ref and /ref tags. going to the old editor to find out what had happened, I found nowiki tags had been added. Removing these cured the problem. Perhaps I should check the User Guide to find out what I should have done. Robert of Ramsor ( talk) 22:06, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
If you edit this revision of radiocarbon dating with VE, and scroll down to the section on accelerator mass spectrometry, you'll see a math parse error, although the math parses properly when not in VE. I know it can't be edited, so it's harmless, but it's ugly and might indicate other parsing errors. Mike Christie ( talk - contribs - library) 11:05, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
Do you have mathJax turned on? It looks like the formula parses fine using MathJax but not with the texvc parser. The problem is mixing UTF8 character with maths. There is a unicode δ character in each formula with causes the formula not to parse correctly. Using \delta instead and it works fine. Other unicode also cause problem notably the proper minus symbol U+2212 − MINUS SIGN rather than a simple hyphen U+002D - HYPHEN-MINUS and there also seem to be a problem with a quote character. MathJax is modern enough to handle unicode but texvc is older and stricter.-- Salix ( talk): 20:53, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
After using the beta edition and saving changes, site refreshes and gets back to beginning of page, instead of the changed section. Lmfardin ( talk) 12:36, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
Status | New: |
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Description | I did a minor change to to the text of a page. VE did that change but also broke a wikitable in the section following the one I edited. Related to this is that while in VE the table was not displayed. In its place I saw "{| class="wikitable"" followed by the table contents though not formatted as a table implying this is an issue with VE parsing the original wikitext. |
To duplicate: | Run VE on this page. When looking at the diff, I intended to change "Eclipse" to "Ecxxxlipse". The remaining stuff that was changed was a VE generated side-affect. |
Operating system | Windows Vista |
Web browser | Firefox 23.0.1 |
Site | En-WP |
Workaround | |
Skin | Vector |
Resolution | |
Bugzilla |
-- Marc Kupper| talk 04:46, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
All right edited Danydel ( talk) 18:52, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
Currently when you click on a template with the "VTE" (view, talk page, edit) links, Visual Editor gives you the option of adding parameters to the transclusion of the template. Most of the templates with the "VTE" links are navigational boxes or other transcluded items without parameters, but as the VTE links suggest, we want people to easily view the template page itself. Maybe if someone clicks on a template with VTE links in Visual Editor, rather than being given the regular option to add parameters they should instead be given a dialogue box saying something along the lines of "This is a template that appears on many pages. Would you like to open this template's page in a new tab?". — Arctic Gnome ( talk • contribs) 13:45, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
|state=collapsed
parameters for these.
Whatamidoing (WMF) (
talk) 18:31, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
She is not a "former" golfer, but still plays golf regularly. 24.2.118.27 ( talk) 02:27, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
See this edit. VE created a link to another Wikipedia page - but using the format for inline external links.
I also continue to come across the <nowiki>...</nowiki>
mess,
as here and
here. --
Redrose64 (
talk) 07:44, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
I just got a Edit beta tab on The Adventure of the Reigate Squire, even though I'm in IE 10. What's weirder is that this is the only page where I've seen a VE tab. Also, I can't make any edits with it: I changed a few words in one sentence and added an edit summary, but the thing's just hanging there. I got a message of Warning: Your edit may have been corrupted – please review before saving. However, I've been unable to find anything corrupt, even though I reviewed everything that I'd done. Nothing of WP:EF came up, either. 2001:18E8:2:1020:202A:8DD6:6403:B77 ( talk) 16:25, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
If I start with a blank page, click a list icon, type in "France", press enter; I don't see any way to get my cursor to a position before the list so that I can enter data there. -- Atethnekos ( Discussion, Contributions) 22:34, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
hey folks -- Last night I created a new article with multiple references, and when I saved the page many of the references disappeared and some I think had jumped around. (I didn't save-as-I-went -- I wrote the whole thing and saved once, at the end.) I can't describe exactly what happened, but here's a diff: the latest revision is roughly what I was aiming to do, and the earlier revision is what I actually achieved. (Ignore the missing reflist: I just hadn't gotten around to figuring out how to add it in VE yet, so I did it afterwards in wiki syntax.)
So, in my initial VE save, it looks like references #5, 6 & 7 disappeared as did #14 and 15. (Numbers taken from the latest revision.) This suggests to me there's a problem with VE saving multiple adjacent references -- when there are multiples adjacent, it seems to save only the first. I think also some references jumped around, but I'm not 100% sure about that.
Also and separately: today I tried and failed to delete the empty spaces between multiple adjacent references (between #13 and 14 and #14 and 15). Post-save, I got a success message but the spaces remain, and there's no record of the edit.
I haven't checked Bugzilla for either of these -- apologies if they're duplicates. (I'm a bit sick and therefore lazy.) I'm using Chrome 28.0.1500.45 on Ubuntu 12.10. Thanks Sue Gardner ( talk) 22:47, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
Big Rock Point in Charlevoix, MI has been decommissioned and returned to greenfield also. So there are four plants which are leveled and able to be used for other things eventually. 2600:1016:B11A:5B9B:FA1E:DFFF:FEE6:A55F ( talk) 00:05, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
I added templatedata to the Template:Language but when I add it with VE, it still asks for variables 1 and 2, instead of "Language code" & "Display language"? Am I missing something? -- Stratoprutser ( talk) 08:09, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
VE breaks tables by inserting "Number =" (e.g. "1=", "2=") text into cells. I'm not super-familiar with the ins and outs of table display, but these numbers seem to control ordering of the rows, so that insertion/deletion of rows is overriden by these small text artifacts.
See Talk:Hartsfield–Jackson Atlanta International Airport#Number= in Airlines & Destinations table and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Airports#Visual Editor wreaking havoc on destination tables!. -- Chaswmsday ( talk) 16:53, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
...but that text is not on my screen. I'm a new user: you may know where the text is because you may have been looking, but I just spotted an issue in something I was reading and now... 37.188.82.157 ( talk) 23:22, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
While I don't know how widespread it is, I think there's quite a number of people who dislike the name "Edit source", primarily because "source", when applied to websites, has a very different definition (raw html, generally). Since the whole point of VisualEditor is to improve the user interface, having a misleading name on one part of the interface is a very bad idea, unless it's absolutely necessary.
So, what I'd suggest we do is to make a shortlist of the possibilities, then we can put it to a !vote. I've listed a few below.
Any other suggestions? Anyone disagree with my analysis of which ones might work and which I think don't? Adam Cuerden ( talk) 21:44, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
If people want to customise the interface the following javascript changes the labels
jQuery( document ).ready( function( $ ) {
// Paste snippet here
// Paste as many as you like, only one "jQuery document ready" wrapper is needed!
$('li#ca-edit span a').html('WT edit'); // changes tabs at top
$('li#ca-ve-edit span a').html('VE edit');
$('.mw-editsection:nth-child(2) a' ).html('WT edit'); // changes section links
$('.mw-editsection-visualeditor').html('VE edit');
} );
Add it to Special:MyPage/skin.js.-- Salix ( talk): 23:39, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Updates/August 21, 2013 added " " after the word "edit" to activate VE. I tried hiding it via my monobook.css but that did not help. The fix provided by Salix is still working but now there's a "beta" floating out there. -- Marc Kupper| talk 03:08, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
jQuery( document ).ready( function( $ ) {
// Paste jQuery snippet heres
$('li#ca-edit a').html('Edit'); // change label for wikitext edit tab
$('li#ca-ve-edit a').html('VE edit'); // change label for visualEditor edit tab
$('.mw-editsection:nth-child(2) a' ).html('Edit'); // change label for wikitext section edits links
$('.mw-editsection-visualeditor').html('VE edit'); // change label for visualEditor section edit links
$('.mw-editsection-bracket').css('display','none'); // Don't display [ ] square brackets for section edits
// $('.mw-editsection-divider').css('display','none'); // Don't display the | divider for section edits (commented out)
$('h1#firstHeading .mw-editsection-visualeditor').css('display','none'); // Don't display the section 0 VE edit link which is broken
$('h1#firstHeading .mw-editsection-divider').css('display','none'); // Don't display the divider for section zero
} );
display:none
turned off the <span class="ve-tabmessage-appendix">beta</span>
and that it was able to do so for the tabs at the top, the first section, and all following sections. --
Marc Kupper|
talk 16:29, 22 August 2013 (UTC)see here -- Redrose64 ( talk) 23:15, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
|- |}
|}
part. I wonder if there's a way to find all instances of such malformatted tables and repair them. A bot, maybe?
Whatamidoing (WMF) (
talk) 18:25, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
If I want to make a link to e.g. target, why does I have to find it on the list first? Target coperation is the first on the drop-down-list, and if I press escape (the list disaperes) and only "target" in the "link-box", but the actual links I get is the first entry on the list.
Why are the red links blue? Its misleading - maybe all the links should be colored another color?
When open the link-box at the bottom of the page, I cant see the list (without scrolling - using the mouse) -
Christian75 (
talk) 09:39, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
Slashme ( talk) 13:53, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
Which bug is this? - David Gerard ( talk) 13:40, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
I am using Google Chrome on OS X Mountain Lion. When I click "Edit beta" on a section, the browser scrolls down to a random place in the page. I am assuming this is caused due to several things being removed such as the summary, but it is inconvenient to find the section I was attempting to edit. It also scrolls randomly when I press the link for feedback. I have to scroll again to find the feedback dialog. But overall this is a great idea for unsophisticated users :)4 173.73.156.63 ( talk) 15:05, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
This "template" makes VE show nothing...
{{Persondata Metadata: see
Wikipedia:Persondata.
|NAME = |
DEATH = }}
From a real page - I would fix a broken template. And the output isnt nothing. Btw. if the template wasnt broken, its near impossible to find {{ persondata}}) template on a page (with VE), and you have to know that its there (somewhere). Christian75 ( talk) 21:17, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
If I edit a blank page, press on the number list or bullet list icon and then press enter, the page remains blank but I have no cursor. Then other strange things start to happen. Pressing the link icon does not seem to do anything. I can press some icons (transclusion, references, etc) and they will appear, but if I then exit it, pressing it again or any other icon does nothing. Undo works though. FF 23.0.1 Win7. -- Atethnekos ( Discussion, Contributions) 21:27, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
Start with a blank page. I type in "*". I get a wikitext markup warning. Then I type in "</nowiki>" and then "'''test'''". When I save, I'm left with "*test</nowiki>" with the bolding. -- Atethnekos ( Discussion, Contributions) 22:25, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
<nowiki>*</nowiki>'''test'''</nowiki>
, which renders as *test</nowiki>
. The bold-faced formatting is objectively wrong, but it's the "23" that mystifies me. Can you reproduce this?
Whatamidoing (WMF) (
talk) 02:44, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
<nowiki>
. It's only if you're additionally triggering the nowiki markup for that line (e.g., by starting the line with an * or triple single quotes) that the nowiki code isn't processed safely. I think we need to add a bug for this.
Whatamidoing (WMF) (
talk) 18:33, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
Start with a blank page, type in "Hello", select the text make it a link to France. Move cursor into middle of "Hello" type in " ". When I save I'm left with " Hel lo" with the non-breaking space rendered. No wikitext markup warning. -- Atethnekos ( Discussion, Contributions) 22:49, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
So I made this page with VE: User:Atethnekos/sandbox2. It looked fine as I was making it. However, the Sfn template within the reference doesn't render in view mode (to be expected), but it does in VE. Nothing while placing this template within the reference in VE suggested that it wouldn't work.
Also, when first making it, the Vcite book template would render properly in VE, but now going to VE with the page after having saved, it doesn't render properly. It shows a <span> tag. -- Atethnekos ( Discussion, Contributions) 00:35, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
Chocolate tastes better than other foods.<ref group=note>Specifically, experts agree that chocolate tastes better than whiskey.<ref group=source> Expert Council (2013) ''Important reliable source''.</ref> '''Notes''' {{reflist|group=note}} '''Sources''' {{reflist|group=source}}
Chocolate tastes better than other foods.[note 1]
Notes
- ^ Specifically, experts agree that chocolate tastes better than whiskey.[source 1]
Sources
- ^ Expert Council (2013) Important reliable source.
{{quotation
|Chocolate tastes better than other foods.<ref group=note>Specifically, experts agree that chocolate tastes better than whiskey.<ref group=source>Expert Council (2013) ''Important reliable source''.</ref>
Notes
Sources
}}
When trying to correct a lower-case letter to a capital letter at the beginning of a link, I deleted the lower-case letter and found I couldn't type a capital letter and have it become part of the link, nor could I seem to extend the link over the capital. Eventually, I typed the capital after the lower-case letter and then deleted the lower-case letter. It might be good to have some way to extend a link over adjoining letters/words/text. Mount Flatten ( talk) 05:31, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
How would VE deal with notices like this? Surely we don't require a page notice on every page.
I predict this has been asked before, but I'm too lazy to look at the archive. Insulam Simia ( talk) 07:39, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
How we can upload pics on wiki Tyconicon ( talk) 15:43, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
There was an unneeded section, so I selected the section, pressed "delete" and saved. VE did this; I expected it to do this. 28bytes ( talk) 00:44, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
If I start with a blank page, type in "<br>", select the entire text, press the link icon, select say "France" as the link, upon exiting the link dialog I am left with a link to [[France]] but the anchor is shortened to "<b". I don't get any "Wikitext markup detected" warning. -- Atethnekos ( Discussion, Contributions) 21:55, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
It used to be possible, in VE, to link to another section of a page (say, Bank#History). Now, when section information is added, in the Link/Hyperlink dialog box, VE just deletes it when the user presses [return] or exits (in any way) that dialog box.
I realize this isn't the right place to ask, but really, does the VE team do any systematic testing of bug fixes before they roll them out? Is the QA team (of whom I've never seen a mention in these pages, but I know exists) involved in testing VE bug fixes?
(Please pardon my frustration - I'm trying to keep the User guide up-to-date; now it looks like I'll have to delete (or hide, I guess) information about some functionality that was in place but no longer is. Why this VE not an opt-IN beta?) -- John Broughton (♫♫) 04:57, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
This has now been fixed and will be deployed "this afternoon" (San Francisco time). Thryduulf ( talk) 22:20, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
It did this. I expected it to do this. 28bytes ( talk) 00:41, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
This Albums proper name is "Triple J's Hottest 100 Volume 17 (2009)" GoodwarRising ( talk) 09:16, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
Try to edit Who the *$&% Is Jackson Pollock? on FF 23.0. The words "because of technical restrictions" are shown as indented text. -- Magioladitis ( talk) 10:23, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
Status | New: |
---|---|
Description | VE reports "Error: Unknown error" when trying to save content |
To duplicate: | I wanted to update List of Criterion Collection DVD and Blu-ray releases to make a wikilink. The edit worked but I got "Error: Unknown error" saving it. It's possible there was a timeout as the page is 177,293 bytes long. |
Operating system | Windows Vista |
Web browser | Firefox 23 |
Site | En-WP |
Workaround | Source editor |
Skin | Vector |
Resolution | |
Bugzilla |
-- Marc Kupper| talk 23:04, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
Hello - I do believe there remains an issue with very long pages. I dared to try VE on
2009 flu pandemic timeline, which is ~227kb, and a) encountered a "your edit might have been corrupted" message, indicating that I should check my edit and b) the inability to bring up the edit diff (timed out). Now, this article is known to be long enough to warrant splitting, but it would be useful to know the current confidence limits around page length and the ability to edit same. Is it dependent upon local environment (i.e. PC configuration and memory allocated to browser)? Or is there a server side known performance limit? Thanks for considering this. --User:Ceyockey (
talk to me) 01:28, 23 August 2013 (UTC) P.S. I did not try hard to implement my changes and did check to see if I had put an edit into the history which might have needed reversion; no edit in edit history was recorded after my truncation of the process, which was reassuring.
Status | Acknowledged |
---|---|
Description | problems working with page of size ~227kb |
To duplicate: | |
Operating system | Ubuntu Linux |
Web browser | Chrome 28 |
Site | en.wikipedia |
Workaround | edit source |
Skin | Vector |
Resolution | |
Bugzilla | 53093 |
Just encountered the "Error: Unknown error" with a successful edit while editing Fairfield, Iowa; see diff. --User:Ceyockey ( talk to me) 23:07, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
I was in the Marine Corps for 5 years, 7/69 to 2/74 and never heard it referred to as an "eight pointed" cap. That name might be very recent. 139.84.48.251 ( talk) 20:15, 24 August 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for switching the buttons. unfortunately the way its implemented leads to (possibly right now only the english is different) the button being in a different place each time I switch between language versions.-- Saehrimnir ( talk) 16:10, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
If I edit Josephus on Jesus, the caption "A 1631 Testimonium page with commentary" for the image in the section Josephus on Jesus#Testimonium Flavianum is not visible. Doesn't appear to actually change anything when I go to save though. -- Atethnekos ( Discussion, Contributions) 04:20, 25 August 2013 (UTC)
So I put a space and then a backspace. Go to save, review changes to check and make sure it is a null edit, then it goes to this "processing" dialogue but then it shows "Could not start the review because your revision matches the latest version of this page." So then I press the little back link on the dialogue, but it just goes back to the processing dialogue. If the page is small, the processing is really quick, so before I can even press back again, it goes back to the "Could not start" warning message. Even if I do manage to press the back a second time quickly, it will only stay at the save dialogue for a split second and then again bring me to the warning message, although then pressing back does take me to the save dialogue securely. FF 23.0.1 Win7. -- Atethnekos ( Discussion, Contributions) 04:35, 25 August 2013 (UTC)
Is there a page, or perhaps a query that could be run in Bugzilla, that would tell me what the most recent update was to VE, and what bugs were intended to be fixed by that update? That way I could check the bugs that interest me that should have been fixed. Mike Christie ( talk - contribs - library) 15:31, 25 August 2013 (UTC)
It's true, really. There are still dozens upon dozens upon dozens of bugs in it, and nobody on this site likes it or appears to find it trustworthy. The old wikitext editor was so much better and more reliable. I don't know why the WMF thought it was a good idea to release the VE while it is still in beta testing. It's just like commercial software; think about it! Would developers want to release their products while still in beta? Of course not! Because all that does is lead to the company making significantly less money than expected, and people not ever wanting to buy their products, because they will think that the developers are lazy, impatient, and always rushing their products before they're even ready. BTW, I have VE completely disabled for my account. Sometimes the stuff that's designed to be convenient just doesn't work. Anyway, that's my feedback on VE. Interlude 65 ( Push to talk) 15:47, 25 August 2013 (UTC)
When I edit the end of a wikilink (not the link itself, but the text displayed), such as changing it to a plural, the actual link does not continue over the new characters. Also, I want to create a line break in the middle, the break and any text after it are not included in the link. Is there a patch being developed that will allow editors to choose whether they want the link to extend over some new text or not?-- ¿3fam ily6 contribs 20:05, 25 August 2013 (UTC)
Editing (in order to fix) badly constructed tables like in this page ( Android_version_history, there were two rows with one left column at the end of the Android 4.3 table) shows the content below the badly constructed table within the table. PhistucK ( talk) 08:14, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
|-}
is not a tag to close a table. The issue is that the php parser treats the specific malformed markup in
[22] as a correctly closed nested table i.e. at the end of an otherwise correctly formed table|-} {| |}
Is treated as
{| |} |}
Whereas if there is any content between the |-}
and |}
the php parser treats it as the code says it should. Consequently I'm not really sure what VE or Parsoid should be expected to do when it encounters this? Pinging
Ssastry, who may have some useful input here.
As an aside, the markup here appears to be the result of incompletely cleaning up this VisualEditor edit on 27 July. That's one of the known table bugs, but I can't remember which, and so has either been fixed or is being worked on. Thryduulf ( talk) 09:57, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
|- |}
|- |}
is being discussed at #Chess pieces still happening above. That is a scenario that most definitely should be handled as valid sequence of valid tags.
|-}
as discussed here is not a valid tag and something that Parsoid should not be expected to frequently encounter. Thryduulf ( talk) 18:16, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
<tr>...</tr>
line render fine in browsers - e.g.
this test page, so VE needs to able to deal with it on an ongoing basis.
Thryduulf (
talk) 18:50, 23 August 2013 (UTC)Gryllida ( chat) 05:36, 25 August 2013 (UTC)
Back from a fortnight away, so I'm not up to speed on all recent developents, but decided to have a go with VE while stub-sorting.
Editing Parvardigar (Pete Townshend song), I fixed the stub, wanted to add {{ unref}} after the navigation hatnote. Put cursor in front of the "P" of the lead sentence, added the template, all looked fine. Went to save it, looked at "Review your changes", and the word "Parvardigar" had been deleted, replaced by the template. Closed the "save page" window, had another look at the work in progress: the {{ unref}} displays, and so does the word "Parvardigar": so the word seems to have been deleted, but is still being shown in the displayed version while I'm editing. Ouch. Will save the edit, then go back and fix it.
... Interesting: when I've saved the article, the word Parvardigar is missing, immediately. The change to stub template and resulting category don't appear till I reload the page. Quirks of VE. Pam D 16:34, 25 August 2013 (UTC)
I made this User:Atethnekos/sandbox4 as a demonstration. If the hlist template is used in an infobox or a table like on the page, when I go to VE, the list will end up be extended far into the page. If it's used with [[File:Image]] as on the page, the list will end up being cut off, and then some weird things will happen if I try to click on the hlist template (e.g., the page will be extended to right and my browser will give a horizontal scroll bar). FF 23.0.1 Win7-- Atethnekos ( Discussion, Contributions) 19:33, 25 August 2013 (UTC)
I took a poke at the subscripting and superscripting feature now available on mediawiki.org, and I think I may have encountered a bug. First, I noticed a strange behavior where anything I typed at the end of that third line, if I then hit enter, it would be duplicated in the fourth line, and my cursor would move to the fifth (blank) line. I then took a look at the wikitext generated by VE, and it looked odd, so I copied it into a wikitext editor, and got a rather different looking result than VE was showing. Also, upon saving with VE, I got this result, which is the same as copying into wikitext editor, but not what VE was showing me. Chris857 ( talk) 20:54, 25 August 2013 (UTC)
After editing a page in beta mode on the iPad, the format of several links, which have not been edited by me, was changed (HTML hyperlink tags added), prompting an error message on saving the page. The corrupted links can be found in my edit (undone afterwards) of the EMD SD90 MAC article. Wetzgau21 ( talk) 14:51, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
this league not double round robin, but single round robin and knock out. 223.30.7.70 ( talk) 19:50, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
The information for Charles Hall states in 2005 he was involved in a car accident caused by a drunk driver. I am the mother of Matthew that was killed in this accident and I would be happy to provide evidence from the inquest that Matthew had not had a drink at all. The alcohol that showed up in one of the samples contained bacteria from Matthews stomach contents due to him suffering crush injuries to his chest. -- Meer2005 ( talk) 20:39, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
Just over a week ago, I helped out at an edit-a-thon at the Royal Ontario Museum. Whilst there, I did talk to the new users about trying out VisualEditor (as opposed to the wikitext editor). To a person, they all said that VE was *more* difficult to use than wikitext, especially with respect to references. Now, they had all had reinforced to them the importance of referencing factual information, so they were all trying to include references. They pointed out that at least with the wikitext editor, they could pull up templates that were complete and they didn't have to try to figure out the parameters. They were using mostly printed sources, not websites, so there was no URL to use as a quick-and-dirty reference insertion. The wifi wasn't great there, and even I had a hard time opening pages with VE as compared to wikitext (it kept hanging on me). Finally, they complained that the help pages weren't as helpful as they expected because they were now oriented toward VE, while they were working with wikitext. That last point tells me that we need two complete sets of help pages. Risker ( talk) 02:08, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
I've added your comments about reference editing to T52458 and reported your comments about the icon for inserting templates as T55396. Thryduulf ( talk)
A couple months have gone by since the release of Visual editor and eventhough a large number of problems have been fixed, there are still hundreds of bugs nad enhancements needed. With all the problems that have been identified, and as fast as that list is growing, along with all the limitations and exceptions to using this app, why are still forcing it to be used? We need to stop forcing this out. This application needs to be opt in only for now. Once the major bugs are worked out and we can trust the application to make an edit without screwing it up, then we can make it opt out. The RFC to make this opt in has overwhelming support so its time for the WMF to do the right thing. We need to take a step back, make the app opt in only and not encourage new editors to try and use it yet. We need to fix the bugs and increase the functionality. We need to do these things because its the right thing to do. Hate me if you want for continuing to call attention to this but the bottom line is this application is largely a failure and it needs to be fixed. Kumioko ( talk) 14:38, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
[[Alésia|<nowiki/>]][[Alésia|<nowiki/>]][[Siège d'Alesia |<nowiki/>]][[Siège d'Alésia|Alésia]]
), strange internal links ([[Commentaires sur la Guerre des Gaules|Commentaires]] [[de]] [[César]] [[sur]] [[la]] [[guerre]] [[des]] [[gaules]]
). And the only answer I got on frwiki is still that "nothing proves it has anything to do with VE". --
NicoV (
Talk on frwiki) 18:47, 23 August 2013 (UTC)Hi,
With reference to bug no 49569. From my todays test edits at mr wiki, it seems some efforts have taken place to initiate/enable ULS unicode Devnagari Script input in VE edits.But for practical usage,even for primary begining, it seems to have too many issues yet.Before informing the issues do we wait untill we are officially informed from your side or do we start reporting issues ?
I suppose till now there is no separate bug to track "VE+ULS unicode Marathi language Devnagari script issues". Would you prefer to start a separate bug for tracking or you expect us to join with some existing bug reports for related issues.
Thanks and regards
Mahitgar ( talk) 05:31, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for all above replies.I will study and list problems for Marathi language VE+ULS environment here in a tabular form over couple days
Number | Name of page where probleme arose- | Difference of edit if available | Problem description | additional details | ULS Method of input | Browers and OS | Bug/status |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
1 | mr:धूळपाटी(sandbox page) | Can not create the screen shot/or edit diff | No other text on a page> Type a word + space bar = eliminates typed text imidiately | If some text is already there on the page or we copy paste then we can give the space bar with less frequency of this problem. | VE+ULS Method of input = अक्षरांतरण (Non-VE source edit environ,ULS Method of input = अक्षरांतरण works normal | Firefox+Win7 | ? |
२ | mr:धूळपाटी(sandbox page) | In normal speed typing,after we type first alphaabate cursor moves from right to left direction.Word marathi need to apear मराठी with VE+ULS instead is coming राठीम | Marathi language devanagari is written in left to right direction.But when we use ULS Method of input = अक्षरांतरण with VE cursor is moving in opposite direction as if we are typing a right to left script | उदाहरण | |||
work in progress | उदाहरण =example still to be written | उदाहरण | उदाहरण | उदाहरण |
Bugs to watch
I did not see this mentioned elsewhere, but I have encountered a bug where, if I add multiple citations to back a statement, the Visual Editor only saves the first citation I added. This happened once when I added three citations to back a claim and had to add each one individually over the course of three edits and again just now when I had to add a second citation after it didn't get saved. Multiple citations can be added if they are separate as I had added a citation for another statement in the same edit and it was saved. Seems VE has a problem specifically with citations being added next to each other.-- The Devil's Advocate tlk. cntrb. 00:39, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
I tried to edit refs with VisualEditor, but it seems to lack the <ref name="Example"> feature.- Seonookim ( What I've done so far) ( I'm busy here) ( Tell me your requests) 06:20, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
The article The Legend of Korra (Book 2) gets constantly disrupted when somebody edits (any part of) it using VE. The following two lines of text are inserted into a table:
<ref name="Futon">{{ns. -->
|''''=|ok Tw=| Spir=ts''''' is the second season of the animated TV|ser=es ''[[The Legend of Korra]]'' by [[Michael Dante DiMartino]] an| [[B=|an Konietz=}}</ref><ref name="Futon">{{ episode| ("c=|pters=|. Ord=red in early 2011, ''Book Two: Spirits'' will a|r o= [[Nickelodeon]] in the U.S. beginning on September 13, 2013.<re| nam=|"Yahoo 15 =}}</ref><ref name="Futon" /><ref name="Futon" /><ref name="Futon" /><ref name="Futon" /><ref name="Futon" /><ref name="Futon" /><ref name="Futon" /><ref name="Futon" />
Please check the recent article history. Although at first I though this was some persistent vandalism, I seriously doubt this now. If possible, please edit the article in such a way that the bug does not show up any more. YLSS ( talk) 06:59, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
<td id="pc{{{ProdCode}}}">{{{ProdCode}}}</td>So, if you pass in
| ProdCode = 113<ref name="xyz" />you can see that the td-cell produced by the template will break. So, the template is not designed to take anything but numbers/strings for the ProdCode parameter. The same is true for the EpisodeNumber parameter. All uses of this template in WP pages where these parameters are not strings are errors in source wikitext on those pages. Hope this clarifies the matter. Ssastry ( talk) 16:01, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
there is a mistranslation in the Etymology section of this article. Nishikigoi translates literally as Western (Nishi-Ki) Carp (Goi/Koi). 98.65.239.24 ( talk) 15:51, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
I've just found
this edit; see the first two changes where the <a>...</a>
element has been used. this element is not permitted in wikitext - was it added by the user, or by VE? --
Redrose64 (
talk) 16:14, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
In album articles (like Def Leppard's X) I can't edit the reviews section because the track listing is next to it. Please fix this. Mab987 ( talk) 05:50, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
STRONG SUPPORT. This new tool makes me excited to start new pages again! Mashford ( talk) 18:30, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
I can not figure out how to return to editing the article when using the "Edit" (rather than "Edit Source") option. In order to preview changes, it appears that I need to click on Save page. From there I can preview the changes, cancel, or accept--but I cannot figure out how to return to the edit form and change my changes rather than discarding all of them (or accepting all of them). Am I missing something, or does the "Edit" functionality not include that feature yet? Grim0098 ( talk) 02:30, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
I'm not sure why this is happening, but whenever someone uses the visual editor in the 2013 US Open (tennis), the tables in the "Point and prize money distribution" section get all screwed up. Tad Lincoln ( talk) 04:04, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
And this edit is mute. I would expect a warning or something. -- Magioladitis ( talk) 07:25, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
Check this one. The > was removed from all tr tags. -- Magioladitis ( talk) 07:41, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
There is a list of all pages using HTML table elements at Wikipedia:CHECKWIKI/031 dump. I asked for help converting them. -- Magioladitis ( talk) 07:45, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
</tr>
tags, but no corresponding <tr>
tags. It still shouldn't mangle the table, but at least it should be a rare thing to encounter. My sandbox testing shows that there appears to be no issues with HTML tables more generally.Nice work. At some point you may want to add LaTeX editing (probably best to do raw, not WYSIWYG LaTeX!). Also, when I clicked the Edit button it added a new line between the title and the first paragraph that I couldn't remove. 86.184.25.131 ( talk) 11:16, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
When reading an article or editing it using the standard editor, redirects appear as green links instead of blue since I configured it that way. VE does not seem to use these values, and shows all internal links (including red links) as blue. 28bytes ( talk) 11:37, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
Editing infoboxes using VE (as I did here) is somewhat difficult and unintuitive. I just wanted to change an uppercase "T" to a lowercase "t", but instead of just clicking and editing the desired infobox text, you must click on the infobox, then click the "transclusion" puzzle piece, then find the parameter that contains the text you wish to edit, and then edit the wikitext (not WYSIWYG text) as desired. While there are a wide variety of infobox types, some sort of WYSIWIG editor for them would be extremely helpful. 28bytes ( talk) 11:48, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
when i try to add a reference it just adds an existing -= false one. 78.8.195.23 ( talk) 13:25, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
I tried to create my first VE article today (I've created 100 or so the "old fashioned" way.) Here are some observations.
== References ==
section with {{Reflist}}. Or at the very least, just {{Reflist}}. As it is, the reference is just "hidden" when you enter it, and it's unreasonable to assume a new user will know they have to click the "transclusion" button and manually type in "Reflist" to get the references they entered to appear. There is no warning that the {{Reflist}} is missing until you actually save the article, when you get
a scary red message at the bottom.
-- 28bytes ( talk) 13:00, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
Thanks. The user guide answered my question about categories, but raised a few more:
-- 28bytes ( talk) 15:04, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
pregnancy
, then select it, and press Control+k to enter the link inspector. If you press Control+k first, and then type pregnancy
, the autocomplete "feature" gives you leading caps.My VisualEditor stopped working completely like a month ago. When I try to edit, the article's text goes gray, and the "loading bar" appears and shows does the loading animation. But that's it. It never loads. I am using Fireox 22.0 (technically Iceweasel). I have deleted my browser cache completely. I even tried resetting my Wikipedia preferences but it still happens. Any ideas? Cookies and Javascript are enabled too. Jason Quinn ( talk) 01:42, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
...that breaks a link, and only adds a closing nowiki tag: [35]. - The Bushranger One ping only 06:05, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
In Australia, 'bok choy' is also used. Source: I've lived in Australia my entire life, and I'd only ever heard 'bok choy' until I read this article. Not sure if that's a valid enough source, though I thought I might at least mention it. 202.61.150.40 ( talk) 12:29, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
This entry is religious propaganda. It is opinionated, unreferenced and a promotion for this person. See Wikipedia entry for "Daniel Nalliah", his co-founder of their evangelical church. 123.2.188.143 ( talk) 14:22, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
I just discovered something that is much easier and faster to do in VisualEditor than in the classic editor: fixing list formatting. Someone had made a list of books without any list formatting. Each "list entry" was a paragraph, separated by blank lines. Fixing it required only highlighting the list and clicking the list button. All the blank lines were automagically removed. I'm very happy about this. WhatamIdoing ( talk) 15:20, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
Hi, When trying to link to other wiki pages, most of the time the correct page shows up but when it doesn't there is no way to create a new link. For instance, I'm trying to link "Me and My Chauffeur Blues" from the Memphis Minnie list of songs page to the "My Chauffeur Blues" wikipedia page. BIcurious3334 ( talk) 15:23, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
Using Firefox 23.0.1 in Windows XP, if I view W. S. Gilbert, whether logged in or not, most images are 220px wide. This is because they use the thumb parameter, and 220px is the default on English Wikipedia, and what I have not changed my preferences.
If I open it in VisualEditor, the images become a lot smaller, however. Can anyone duplicate this?
Adam Cuerden (
talk) 17:34, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
although probably not what is desired, is automatically changed by VE to
Actually, this may be a feature. But it probably should be noticed somewhere. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 22:20, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
A point was raised yesterday about an editor who was continually making changes to articles contrary to comments in the wikisource (two examples of such comments being "<!-- DO NOT CHANGE THIS NATIONALITY WITHOUT DISCUSSION ON TALK PAGE -->" and "<!-- This is, as Wikipedia guidelines suggest, as he self-identifies and by long-term consensus -->" ). A suggestion was made that as the editor concerned was using the Visual Editor he would not have seen these comments in the source. Is this true? (I don't use VE, and I'm an IE user so couldn't use it if I wanted to, so can't check). - David Biddulph ( talk) 18:27, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
Entering Visual Editor mode renumbered the references on page Python_(programming_language), so they don't match the references listed at the end of the article. Davipo ( talk) 08:36, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
As the subject says -- no means exists of adding this important feature. Additionally, no means exists of flagging this article as containing questionable content. 173.11.86.22 ( talk) 18:57, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
Some templates like {{ prod}} must be substituted. I can't see anyway to add {{subst:prod}}.-- Salix ( talk): 07:28, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
How are some people thinking this is a valid place for article feedback? I located this link from the BETA link once I'd started the VE. Is there any other place it is available from? Mark Hurd ( talk) 14:21, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
This is likely a transient problem, but wanted to at least squeal "ouch" as I've been unable to review changes or save changes via Visual Editor over the past 30 min or so. --User:Ceyockey ( talk to me) 15:26, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
|origyear=
rather than |year=
in {{
cite book}}. This was due to an error in the template data, with |origyear=
being marked as "required", really it should be either |year=
or |data=
marked as required but to be even more pedantic neither are actually required just recommended (see
T52747).--
Salix (
talk): 17:05, 30 August 2013 (UTC)I had the Problem that while I was writing my Change Summary after editing the page I wasn't able to delete what I had previously written i.e. couldn't use delete or backspace. Tathbelin ( talk) 20:27, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
The mechanism arrows are completely wrong. Whoever drew that does not understand anything about how to draw a mechanism. Please fix it asap. 169.232.142.208 ( talk) 22:54, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
This one isn't that major, but I've noticed that when editing in VE, the color of wikilinks and external links are the same. While the shades of blue are noticeably different when viewing an article, this pretty much disappears when editing an article. Like I said, it's not a big deal, but it is handy to be able to detect the difference between the links when editing an article.-- ¿3fam ily6 contribs 23:37, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
Since it's easy to edit, a lot of people who vandalizes can do it more often. Allenjambalaya ( talk) 13:30, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
Procedure: Go to this old revision of an article. Scroll down to the equipment section, and note that it includes an image which was deleted. Activate VE. Note that both the entire image box, including caption, are now invisible. When it comes to handling missing images, there are probably a dozen viable alternatives to this approach, all of which would be superior. -- Cryptic C62 · Talk 02:31, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
Is there a way to list things in numerical order but non-consecutively. For instance, the credits of a music producer who only produced certain tracks on an album. Example: Tyshane. Also, it would be nice to be able to tell the editor to write "01" as opposed to "1". In the case of Tyshane, the track which I wanted to add was the first on the recording, but I still couldn't use VE's numbered list because that only lists "1", not "01". I ended up using User:John Vandenberg's switch editor to pull off this edit successfully.-- ¿3fam ily6 contribs 02:59, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
There should not be a mark under the second S in the second word. Also, the second word should not be capitalized. Leepdx ( talk) 05:21, 1 September 2013 (UTC)
I didn't enter it correctly when first searching for it. Leepdx ( talk) 05:29, 1 September 2013 (UTC)
From up above in "Why are we still using this?", the following are responses given to NicoV's questions.
--Whatamidoing (WMF)
I'm fixing 15-20 articles a day with broken nowiki tags. Bgwhite ( talk) 06:23, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
Pasting a sentence that includes bold text and a link (may not be requirementa) is un-editable. Trying to edit a part of the sentence deletes the entire thing, as if the entire sentence was selected instead of one word. Trying to insert a word also overwrites the whole sentence. WildElf ( talk) 03:18, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
user:WildElf, that is still a bug. VE should detect that you've disabled that functionality, and warn the user and/or gracefully degrade. bugzilla:52008 and bugzilla:52089 are two example issues; there are probably others. John Vandenberg ( chat) 15:11, 1 September 2013 (UTC)
User:Markhurd editing while logged out. I can't see where people might think this is article feedback.
But I have seen two issues to note:
1. This "Submit Feedback" form's blurb should end with "your username or IP address, if not logged in."
2. It's grabbing bolded text immediately after an image (i.e. no whitespace in between ]] and ''') and duplicating it; not allowing you to edit it and the Show Changes shows it will duplicate it. 121.45.55.242 ( talk) 15:23, 30 August 2013 (UTC)(That was me logged out Mark Hurd ( talk))
So {{template}}'''Bold''' text
results in the bold-face text being removed. This also happens with [[link]]ed or ''italicized'' text
immediately after a template. Have you tested those options as well?
Whatamidoing (WMF) (
talk) 21:01, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
So someone added a book to a ==Further reading== section. Book #1 used a citation template. Book #2 did not. Neither had bullet list formatting.
Selecting them was hard. I ended up selecting the header, the template, and the plain-text citation. Then I clicked the 'list' button. Then I went back and repaired the formatting for the section heading. This isn't necessary, but it was easier than trying to figure out the exact stop to place the cursor. Here is the (correct) result.
But the display was odd. While I was in VE, the bullet for the first citation was at the start of the second line of the citation, not the first. It still displays this way now, if you just edit the page in VE. Has anyone else seen this? WhatamIdoing ( talk) 04:36, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
Something is displayed wrong in Template:Infobox rocket and many others and the [view] option in documentation is shown as [edit source]. -- Magioladitis ( talk) 22:45, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
I've a feeling its some javascript or css altering the links after the page is rendered. There has been some javascript trickery which changes the labels on things. Examining the source:
<span class="mw-editsection plainlinks" id="doc_editlinks">{{ #if: {{{doc exist|yes}}} | [[[{{{docpage|{{FULLPAGENAME}}/doc}}}|view]]] [[{{fullurl:{{{docpage|{{FULLPAGENAME}}/doc}}}|action=edit}} edit]] [[{{fullurl:{{{docpage|{{FULLPAGENAME}}/doc}}}|action=history}} history]] [{{purge|purge}}]
the first link should show as "view" but because it matches the css rule span.mw-editsection a
it is changed somewhere along the line to be "edit source". This has been done so normal section edit links display "edit source" to distinguish them from the VisualEditor its just that rule has also caught these links which should not be changed. I'm not quite sure yes where the css/js is modified though.--
Salix (
talk): 07:38, 1 September 2013 (UTC)
This edit by another user has the edit summary "(→Notation) (Tag: VisualEditor)" but the edit is actually to the "History" section. JonH ( talk) 19:22, 1 September 2013 (UTC)
Hi,
With reference to bug no 49569. From my todays test edits at mr wiki, it seems some efforts have taken place to initiate/enable ULS unicode Devnagari Script input in VE edits.But for practical usage,even for primary begining, it seems to have too many issues yet.Before informing the issues do we wait untill we are officially informed from your side or do we start reporting issues ?
I suppose till now there is no separate bug to track "VE+ULS unicode Marathi language Devnagari script issues". Would you prefer to start a separate bug for tracking or you expect us to join with some existing bug reports for related issues.
Thanks and regards
Mahitgar ( talk) 05:31, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for all above replies.I will study and list problems for Marathi language VE+ULS environment here in a tabular form over couple of days
Number | Name of page where probleme arose | Screen shot or Difference of edit if available | Problem description | additional details | ULS Method of input | Browers and OS | Bug/status |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
1 | mr:धूळपाटी(sandbox page) | Cannot create the screen shot/or edit diff | No other text on a page> Type a word + space bar = eliminates typed text imidiately | If some text is already there on the page or we copy paste then we can give the space bar with less frequency of this problem. | VE+ULS Method of input = अक्षरांतरण (Non-VE source edit environ,ULS Method of input = अक्षरांतरण works normal | Firefox+Win7 | 53700 and 53706 |
2 | mr:धूळपाटी(sandbox page) | In normal speed typing,after we type first alphaabate cursor moves from right to left direction.Word marathi need to apear मराठी with VE+ULS instead is coming राठीम | Marathi language devanagari is written in left to right direction.But when we use ULS Method of input = अक्षरांतरण with VE cursor is moving in opposite direction as if we are typing a right to left script | VE+ULS Method of input = अक्षरांतरण (Non-VE source edit environ,ULS Method of input = अक्षरांतरण works normal | Firefox+Win7 | 53701 | |
3 | mr:धूळपाटी(sandbox page) | File | Uncalled for repetition of charecters please see the file image | After this problem some time backspace, delete keys and left and right arrow keys of the key board work some times, do not work many times | VE+ULS Method of input = अक्षरांतरण (Non-VE source edit environ,ULS Method of input = अक्षरांतरण works normal | Firefox+Win7 | keys not working reported in bug 53708 |
4 | mr:अभिमन्यु and all other articles with text already present | Screen shot or diff Not possible without video recording itself of VE's moving self action | spell correction of any word eats up text on right side until you press space bar | उदाहरण | VE+ULS Method of input = अक्षरांतरण (Non-VE source edit environ,ULS Method of input = अक्षरांतरण works normal | Firefox+Win7 | 53757 |
5 | Any random selected article on mr-wikipedia | Wont be defficult to provide screen shots , Still need more usage pattern observation before providing screenshots to provide steps to reproduce | Where text is already present,Along with any of above problems, Some times edited aspect is shown in edit window but does not reflect in edit preview | Probably problem arises when we insert any additional charecters or word between two existing words in a sentence.I suppose this would be easy to reproduce. | VE+ULS Method of input = अक्षरांतरण (Non-VE source edit environ,ULS Method of input = अक्षरांतरण works normal | Firefox+Win7 | 53758 |
6 | Any random selected article on mr-wikipedia | Image to be provided | If for spelling correction purposes only few charecters within any word are selected and replaced with other charecter of same or lesser length, without movement of arrow keys or spacebar, save button does not get enabled, so effectively we would not be able to save the change | Behaviour seems to be indirectly related to above point 5 testing for the same going on | Bug 53788 | ||
7 | all articles | Do we need image for this | need enabling ULS input in Link,Reference,Category and template edit-windows | उदाहरण | 53717 |
Following most required marathi language typing pattern produces marathi sentense as given below in ULS input अक्षरांतरण (transliteration) using roman engilsh "qwerty" key board in traditional wikisource editing; The target for VisualEditor team is the same to happen smoothly for VisualEditor+ ULS input अक्षरांतरण (transliteration) environment.
most required marathi language typing pattern example
should transliterate ( produce) to following in smooth manner.
Bugs to watch
Mahitgar ( talk) 09:51, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
Thanks look forwards to - Mahitgar ( talk) 11:00, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for very positive response.Your suggession is most welcome I will place this discussion on your talk page and add further aspects there.Besides mr I can certainly bring in info on hi sa and ne wiki over coming week.
Regards
Mahitgar ( talk) 16:00, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
@ Siddhartha Ghai Thanks for nice support in reporting the bugs. I wish and request to have a look at bug 53754(not in above list) and please do check for hindi language too.
Thanks Regards
Mahitgar ( talk) 02:56, 5 September 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Whatamidoing (WMF) ( talk • contribs)
I have tried the visual editor a few times but found it slow, clumsy and error producing. What I would like is the option of a visual editor which shows the Wiki code, as a transition to a full visual editor.
What I found myself doing is seeing what Wiki code the visual editor produced, canceling the changes the visual editor was making and then manually pasting that code in with the old editor.
As an example, I was editing the entry on Marc_Newson, to add a new bullet point. I copied and pasted the existing entry about the Qantas 'Skybed' and edited it to make a new entry about the 2013 Qantas A330 Business Suites. The entry had a reference, which was copied along with the text. I edited this thinking it would create a new reference. But lucky I checked, as what this was doing was editing the existing reference, not creating a new one.
So what I would like is a visual editor which allows easier creating of content but shows the Wiki code being generated. Tom Worthington ( talk) 01:27, 1 September 2013 (UTC)
It will be a good idea to include autocomplete in Add Parameter when editing Infobox. For example if we want to include Development Status in our software infobox the autocomplete should suggest to include "status" as the user types Development or Status. RyanJon2040 ( talk) 05:35, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
You list Giuseppe Garibaldi's place of birth as Nice, First French Republic. In truth, Nice was part of the Kingdom of Sardinia in the year of Garibaldi's birth and was ceded to France many years later by the Kingdom of Sardinia. 64.175.36.88 ( talk) 00:55, 3 September 2013 (UTC)
87.69.232.196 ( talk) 21:34, 3 September 2013 (UTC)
The Khulm River runs from South to North, this reads like it runs n. to s.! 175.106.59.195 ( talk) 03:43, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
Status | New: |
---|---|
Description | User-added accented characters in table cells cause cell text not to display properly. Attempts to save this new input lose the accented Unicode characters. |
To duplicate: | See fr:Route 2 (Ontario) and its revision history, the distance chart is a table and Unicode descriptive text added with VisualEditor didn't save properly. [45] The damage was fixed using the standard MW wiki source editor but is still in history. Try inserting « La route 2 va à Montréal (Québec) » (or something/anything that isn't US ASCII) into a table cell and watch it fail to display correctly or fail to save. |
Operating system | Ubuntu |
Web browser | Firefox |
Site | Fr-WP |
Workaround | Edit the page with the old source editor to put the accents in their proper places. |
Skin | Vector |
Resolution | |
Bugzilla |
K7L ( talk) 03:56, 3 September 2013 (UTC)
Edit source isn't blazing fast, but VisualEditor is slow enough to feature in a Comcast commercial. Really, we need to get enough render bandwidth in place before deploying such heavy weight pages. Wcoole ( talk) 23:58, 3 September 2013 (UTC)
Not my best section header here :-) What I mean is this: someone tried to change [[Compton, California|Compton.]] to [[Compton, California|Compton]], [[California]]., but end up with [[Compton, California|Compton]], [[California]][[Compton, California|.]] In the visual editor, this is nearly impossible to see. It's perhaps not a real bug, but it's the kind of thing that happened a lot less in the old editor than in VE. Fram ( talk) 09:37, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
[46]; when an editor selects a section plus its header and removes it, the section header isn't really gone but gets one of the dreaded "nowiki" tags. When does someone really want an empty section header? Apparently VE is smart enough to recognise the need for a nowiki to separate the left and right sides of the section header, but isn't smart enough to just remove it altogether... Fram ( talk) 10:10, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
The VE has a number of differences between the actual page and the look in VE, most rather minor but somewhat annoying, like the abundance of spaces in and around templates (e.g. in quotes, or before and after notes and references).
A more prominent and for me harder to understand difference exists with reused references. Normally, they are shown as e.g. 1. a b c, but when in VE mode, they become 1. 1.0 1.1 1.2 (there is also a difference between the upward pointing symbols). I can see no reason for this, and for me, the VE version is actually harder to read than the traditional method, because it is unclear that the 1.0 and so on are not a part of the reference, but indicate that the reference is reused a few times. I would suggest that either the same look as in normal viewing mode is taken, or that they are removed (in VE only) altogether, since they can't be used in VE anyway.
These things can e.g. be seen when comparing the FA Pig-faced women in view mode and in VE mode. Fram ( talk) 10:38, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
On Johann Daniel Bager, in the Authority Control template, the only parameter at the moment is the VIAF one. However, on starting VisualEditor, a GND number is added as well. When editing the template through VE, the GND parameter is not yet present. I suppose these are found through Wikidata or some such, but what is the actual purpose? It is rather confusing, and not really helpful (considering that when I want to add a parameter, the suggestions (if that is what they are) are actually hidden beneath the template edit window). Similar issues can e.g. be seen at Johann Friedrich Bause or Johann Peter Krafft. Fram ( talk) 11:29, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
If you try and use beta to edit a page, but you've forgotten to log in, so you log in directly off the beta page, once you have successfully logged in it takes you back to the edit source page instead of the beta page. Minor, but thought you may want to correct it? Professor Hog ( talk) 11:50, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
I'm in the middle of article editing at the moment so this is partly an aide memoir for me when I have time to test it and partly a request to see if it is happening to others.
I'm finding that at least sometimes when trying to wikilink an existing work that contains an accented character, e.g. Marília, Bogotá that the accented characters are getting deleted. When trying to undo that the whole word (sometimes?) gets deleted. All this is in table cells, I haven't tried outside or with characters that are not in basic ASCII but are not accented Latin Characters. Everything seems to work fine when using the link dialog to add a link and the text at the same time.
I'm also sometimes getting strange corruption/duplication of text when adding a word with accented characters in a table cell.
The article I'm working on is Non-stop flight#Shortest flights. Please don't edit conflict me on that section though ;) Thryduulf ( talk) 23:38, 1 September 2013 (UTC)
Just now linking the text "Bogota" to Bogotá, deleting the "a" and typing "á" included the letter in the link as I wanted but when I went to link another word the "á" became a pawn :( Firefox 23 / Linux / Monobook for all of this. Thryduulf ( talk) 00:02, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
I deleted the pawn, put "á" there. It showed as "á" but a pawn was saved [49] (4th last change, an in-page search for "Avianca" is likely the quickest way to find it). Thryduulf ( talk) 00:15, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
I don't think I've got to the bottom of this yet, but experimentation in my sandbox has shown that it is unrelated to tables, and happens everywhere. It seems that the key thing is annotating or linking words containing accented or non-Latin characters. Doing so frequently causes the accented character to disappear. Re-adding such a character (not necessarily the same one) causes that character to (usually) turn into a pawn when anything else on the page is linked. I've reported what I've found so as T55680 but it would be useful to confirm this in other browsers, etc and if possible refine the cause a bit more. Thryduulf ( talk) 13:37, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
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When viewing Marathon swimming im VE the References section has several newline marks (↵). I suspect the VE should have some hovertext explaining their purpose. -- Marc Kupper| talk 19:27, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
At any given page, example, as long the edit box is selected (with the cursor blinking) pressing 'page down' or 'page up' takes you to the end of the page. Firefox 23.0, Linux Mint. 177.148.217.222 ( talk) 12:45, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
They're all over the place greenrd ( talk) 22:40, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
I edited this article in VE . In VE it looks fine, but when saved the table is distorted.
/info/en/?search=Contactless_smartcards_on_the_railways_of_Britain Matthew Dickinson ( talk) 17:46, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
It states in the bio that the native Keish is Tahitian. This makes no sense when he was born in the Yukon of the Taglish native group. Thanks, Maja 206.41.91.42 ( talk) 20:15, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
Classification of water body type is not dependent on hydrological links whether present or not. The "great lakes" of north america are great inland seas. Lakes are characterized by being surrounded by land but also by size. 173.17.134.122 ( talk) 02:06, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
When a page has <references/>, but no actual references, the above text appears in grey at the location of the references template. I think that the part "with the group """ should be removed, as it is confusing and unnecessary (references don't need a group, the group "" is not used on the page, the problem is simply that there are no references with the "ref" style at all). Example: N.O.T.R.. Fram ( talk) 09:34, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
May I suggest a better translation from tech geek into English? How about replacing 'no references with the group "" on this page' with 'no references on this page from the default grouping'. Other groupings would be displayed as 'from group "X"'. This is a bit more natural language. It requires assigning a special case to the null set, but, really, you should get used to that, after all, even if VE has probably another 6 months before it handles things like tables and templates well enough to really take off with the group, in the long run, this is meant to develop into a tool for newbies, and it's better to think ahead now. Ideally, you should likely drop "from the default group" in the absence of non-default-group items, and, unless there's a good reason not to, I'd go with the ideal. =) Adam Cuerden ( talk) 08:10, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
Hi,
I tried editing Teenage Dream (Katy Perry album) which is using the same technique as {{ Disable VE top}} and I managed to edit the article in VE without trouble. When I reviewed the changes: my modifications where there and the article was damaged (probably in the same way that made someone put the div in the article). -- NicoV ( Talk on frwiki) 16:49, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
It's apparent that Visual Editor is no longer respecting the protected node. Opening a bugzilla report.— Kww( talk) 18:01, 4 September 2013 (UTC) T55767. Commentary to assure developers that the ability to protect an article that VE cannot handle from being corrupted by VE is a critical need is appreciated.— Kww( talk) 18:09, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
I tried again on my test page on a different computer running Firefox 17.0.2 (ESR) under XP. At first, it seemed that the protected node was working, but at some point (after clicking, double-clicking, typing, ...) I managed to write in the protected node: the result was an even greater mess than before: still the duplication, quotes added all over the place (they seem correct but unnecessary), pipes removed, space added, ... -- NicoV ( Talk on frwiki) 11:05, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
This page is an archive. Do not edit the contents of this page. Please direct any additional comments to the current main page. |
Having learned how VisualEditor works, the problems make far more sense - it has to convert Wikitext to a carefully-formatted and marked-up intermediary (based on HTML, though this is largely because it simplifies displaying it in the browser), in a reversible way, with a lot of tests to make sure it only changes the bits that were actually changed. Parsoid really is an ingenious reinterpreter, but it was bound to have some problems.
Also, the lack of features also makes sense - everything's basically handled as a modular expansion, apparently, even bold and italic are, effectively, in the same modular coding. They needed to get the base right, then they could begin rushing into other features.
In short, I'm... just going to retract 99% of everything I've said about VisualEditor, and apologise. It's a very, very clever project, and, if it wasn't explained very well, well, time to move on from that.
My only request to the VisualEditor team is to please get those videos up as soon as possible. Everyone needs to see them. Just having VisualEditor explained, in full, makes the whole thing make sense in a way that it didn't before, and makes me hugely optimistic for its future. Adam Cuerden ( talk) 15:27, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
Actually, one of my best memories of Wikimania is trying to use VE, hitting a problem where I couldn't figure out how to do references, asking James about it, and ending up spending about half an hour in a rather productive discussion of design interface ideas with him. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Adam Cuerden ( talk • contribs) 2215, 13 August 2013
Status | New: |
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Description | I use keyboard shortcuts to edit, save and preview an article or to show its changes. For instance, to preview I use <shift><alt>P. The shortcuts still work, except <shift><alt>V (show the changes), which stopped working when the Visual Editor was introduced: currently, <shift><alt>V simply positions the cursor on the "Show the changes" button. JmCor ( talk) 03:49, 10 August 2013 (UTC) |
To duplicate: | Open an article in the edit mode; do some changes; try <shift><alt>P (works), then and try <shift><alt>V (doesn't). |
Operating system | Windows 7 |
Web browser | Firefox |
Site | |
Workaround | Use <shift><alt>V to position the cursor on the button then click the button. |
Skin | |
Resolution | |
Bugzilla |
JmCor ( talk) 03:49, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
This is really awful what you have done here. Cyberplasm ( talk) 19:15, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
Elitre, I love you and all of the VE folks for your work on the editor and on this page, but I believe I must say this: when it comes to usability issues reported by newbies, "read the manual" is a fundamentally unhelpful response. Newbies, who possess the very instincts that VE should be designed to facilitate, never read the manual. If users are required to read the manual before being able to perform tasks that they feel they instinctively know how to do, the interface is not designed correctly. (And I would say this in the context of any newbie-oriented interface, not just VE.) <3 ♥ Cryptic C62 · Talk 23:06, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
Curiously Elitre's read the manual conflicts with JDF's "In general, if you have to prompt a user with text telling them what to do, your interface has failed." I tried to get some sort of text description explaining how to use references into the dialog boxes but it was shot down by JDF pretty swiftly in T54250.-- Salix ( talk): 08:53, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
So why not make the reflist editable? As just about every object you see on a page is directly editable with the VE, of course having the reflist not editable is counter-intuitive. Displaying a message is a workaround, but VE could also be much more helpful by just letting you edit the references. Surely needs this some work and fleshing out how to exactly do this, but I am sure this is more helpful than adding in messages. -- WS ( talk) 10:53, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
I just checked out Visual Editor as an IP user —didn't feel like logging in, just clicked the "edit beta" option by a section heading. I was greeted with a small two line pop-up message window which read:
This is our new, easier way to edit. It's still in beta, which means you might find parts of the page you
That's was it in it's entirety. (Well, excepting a heading which was in image format rather than select-able text.)
Re-scaling my page view (via Chrome browser via Bodhi Linux) re-sized but brought up no further text.
Hmm, I just checked my settings and Chrome's default text size was set to "very large". That may have been what caused the text to display incompletely. (I've mostly been using Firefox lately, 1st I've launched Chrome in awhile.)
I seem to have figured it out—narrowed it down to local user settings—but I'll post anyway on the chance it may help someone else.
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-- Kevjonesin ( talk) 05:57, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
I wanted to delete the whole content of a test page and add something new. This is the page, but I get the same effect on other pages. Steps to reproduce:
Now clicking does not place the cursor on the page, and typing does not add content.
Vector, Win7, FF23.0. JohnCD ( talk) 16:50, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
This is not a contrived test, I encountered it in "real life" as a instance of VE not behaving as I expected. Steps to reproduce:
As a general comment, using VE I feel the lack of an "Undo" facility; when one has made a mistake, there often seems no alternative to going back to square one and starting the whole edit again.
Vector, Win7, FF23.0. JohnCD ( talk) 17:20, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
Mahitgar ( talk) 15:21, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
T47132 discusses this. There, James comments that instead of displaying the warning, VisualEditor could: "auto-fix for them (insert a "== References ==\n" section just above the categories), though this (a) sucks, (b) enforces a particular wiki's style on other wikis in code, and (c) would be difficult to internationalise"
He does not elaborate on why it "sucks", but b and c are obviously valid points. This is not to say however that these problems are not insurmountable - if you have any ideas please do share them, either direct at bugzilla:45132 or via here if you prefer. Thryduulf ( talk) 15:51, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
Surely b and c can be resolved by having some wiki-specific settings somewhere on the wiki itself that are respected by the VE? So it could simply be specified which sections and/or templates go before or after the reflist and it would be simple to adapt that for other-language wikis. -- WS ( talk) 11:41, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
Before it worked to disable VE by adblocking it. This completely removed the "Edit source" cruft etc. for IP-editors. Now for some reason, although the VE obviously doesn't work when it's blocked, the annoying labels are still showing up. This seems to have been done deliberately to sabotage this method of disabling VE for non-logged-in users. And I find it completely distasteful if that's the case. Is it really so hard to again make the appearance of the VE-related cruft dependent on whether the VE-module is loaded or not? 86.30.135.155 ( talk) 20:58, 12 August 2013 (UTC) (disgusted editor)
modules=ext.visualEditor ##li#ca-ve-edit ##a.mw-editsection-visualeditor ##span.mw-editsection-divider ##span.mw-editsection-bracket
Lucitania is not the correct spelling. Lusitania is. 81.100.91.60 ( talk) 10:27, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
Hi, do not know what is going on with this edit but the editor appears to have top/tailed the article with <embed type="application/x-datavault" width="0" height="0" /> for some reason. Keith D ( talk) 10:53, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
When editing a reference, there is no indication at all if it is used multiple times throughout the article. This makes it very easy to screw up references, e.g. when you replace a ref for one sentence by changing it and it gets propagated throughout the article. WS ( talk) 11:45, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
This is very important. Loading the source is still faster. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 4h8s ( talk • contribs) 21:36, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
I'm using Chrome and I right clicked to corred "32 GB" (it should be "32GB"), and it duplicated "GB". It resulted in displaying "32GB GB". Eduardo06sp ( talk) 02:17, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
The wikitext markup detected message that appears when you type wikitext in the VE, doesn't disappear when you remove the wikitext. WS ( talk) 15:45, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
I was under the impressione that, when overwriting, some words were skipped, i.e. they were deleted. Ithunn ( talk) 19:02, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
I know there's a lot of new gallery functionality coming in (which looks amazing!), so I'd understand if support is waiting for that, but at the moment, galleries are completely uneditable.
Basic functionality I'd expect might include:
If moving images is as easy as dragging them into position, adding images can probably reasonably add to the end. To allow the gallery itself to be moved, I'd suggest that clicking on the gallery adds a bar at the top (only while it remains the focus, of course), labelled something like "click and drag here to move gallery". (If that's unclear, I could make a mockup), plus a dropdown box for any other actions that might be needed, sort of like the top of a Windows, well, window. One thing VE currently doesn't do enough of is temporarily tweaking the display of an element being edited to make it easier to interact with for editing, but I don't see a way to get the intuitive editing you're looking for without some movement towards that. Adam Cuerden ( talk) 22:40, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
(split from previous section about galleries)
inconvenient. Takes to long to load, can't leave messages why I changed the page. Martina2504 ( talk) 07:15, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
Currently, when you want to edit the format of text that exists far down on the page, you must scroll down, select it, scroll back up, change format, scroll back down to make sure it looks right, etc. My recommendation is to simplify the workflow by having the format bar scroll with the user in some form (or, alternatively, have a format pop up menu of sorts next to the selected text). 67.183.110.137 ( talk) 07:17, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
Please note you are using wrong photograph it belongs to me totally different OM Sharma please delete this photograph OM Sharma 86.19.108.234 ( talk) 19:03, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
With
this edit, the {{
-}}
was moved from the bottom of a section into a heading, effectively yielding the HTML <h3>
<span class="mw-headline" id="2013">
2013<br style="clear:both;" />
</span>
[edit]</h3>
--
Redrose64 (
talk) 18:43, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
{{
-}}
before a heading. I don't know what it is though. I've reported it as
T54658. Thanks for the report.
Thryduulf (
talk) 19:23, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
Hi,
Adding/reusing existing reference multiple time(more than 1 time) blocks all editing,until we close tab from browser,VE does not allow to even to go back and save rest of edited content.Screen simply hangs until we close tab from browser.
Facility to choose from existing references made feel wow great ! but when I wanted to add the same existing reference at multiple places and VE screen blocked all the ways and I had to close the tab from browser I came out frustrated since it did not allow me to save rest of newly written and edited content.
Is this already reported ? if yes can we make atleast button goback work at our earliest and resolve rest of problem in due course.
Thanks and best wishes
Rgds Mahitgar ( talk) 15:15, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
I can't reproduce that in my sandbox using the latest firefox (23) on linux [7] (all the additions were reusing an existing reference, although you wouldn't think that from the wikitext). What operating system are you using, and which reference in which article did you encounter this on? Thryduulf ( talk) 16:48, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
Hello again
I use operating system windows 7. This is none of above bugs but at
bug no 51689 comment-2 User John Broughton in his first point is inter mixing cited issue in wrong bug he says........Not been able to cite the same source two or more times in an article,............
I will try to give screenshot today latter, but not sure how much screen shots would benefit. I will try to repeat steps to reproduce again for win7+Firefox
Mahitgar ( talk) 01:15, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
Well hotcat shouldn't be an issue as I use that too. I've just done another test on a page with exactly one citation template and doing exactly as you did in your screenshots [9]. That didn't result in this bug either, so my guess is that it could be Windows specific, which I can't test as I don't have a Windows computer. Thryduulf ( talk) 10:32, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
Thanks and regards with best wishes
Mahitgar ( talk) 14:04, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
everything is fine
17:31, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
File:GreatNurse.jpeg is a headshot of Virginia Henderson that was uploaded to Commons yesterday. VisualEditor's image feature can't find it, and won't accept file names that it doesn't believe exist. WhatamIdoing ( talk) 00:17, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
While VE does make adding intra-Wiki links a lot easier, I'm having issues adding links to other websites. I know it's probably just me not doing something obvious but it's not particularly intuitive. Red Fiona ( talk) 20:38, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
Since the introduction of VisualEditor, I've been trying to use it as much as possible. However, that isn't always possible. One area which has caused the most difficulty is templates. On VisualEditor, when adding a template, you're supposed to see a list of possible parameters - but it appears this only works for a few templates, and for many more it doesn't work.
In any case, the real problem is that when adding a template with VisualEditor, you need to know the names of its parameters. When normally adding a template, that's not the case; you can just put in terms 1, 2 and 3 and let it work without having to worry about the source code. To give an example, I just tried to add {{ distinguish}} to an article with VisualEditor, but while I've used that template a lot, I realised I had no idea what the parameters are actually called. I never needed to know them before. The same applies to many of the other {{ redirect}}-type templates.
Why can't VisualEditor, rather than requiring the names for the parameters, simply accept 'term 1', 'term 2', 'term 3' and so on? Robofish ( talk) 21:07, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
And speaking as someone who tries to keep WP:VE/UG current, I do not plan to add this information to that guide. We're trying to keep the guide focused on what novice editors need to know. Eventually the tens (hundreds?) of thousands of templates will all have TemplateData, and this will be largely irrelevant. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 21:58, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
I do not use the VE. Nothing against it (and nothing much for it either), quite simply I am used to Opera and it does not work on it, and I'd point that a major feature not working under IE looks like a rather poor choice. Whatever... I wish you good luck, and I am making a point as to I do not have the faintest idea about how VE works, or not. I have noticed a user inserting what they think is 'references' in a couple of articles, see one diff and the other diff. Newbies will make mistakes, always did, always will, here and everywhere, but... IS tere a chance that the VE is helping to further confuse the editor? (Note: A huge template, and lots of text to read and write down to make a report for the *visual* editor?! :-) - Nabla ( talk) 23:03, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
See this edit. Report on frwiki by an other user. All contributions of this user seem to have the same kind of problems. -- NicoV ( Talk on frwiki) 11:54, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
hgilbert ( talk) 07:18, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
One thing I noticed while using the beta editor is that, when I inserted a new reference, there was nothing in the reference section to indicate that a new reference had been edited. Instead, it looks like the references are misaligned or, towards the end, use a citation number that doesn't exist. Jackeys ( talk) 04:40, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
I want to change that whole page 202.142.146.197 ( talk) 06:10, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
This is a minor bug but an important one for accessibility and automation: the tab order in the "Save" dialog in the Visual Editor is rather screwy:
Conventionally, tab order is supposed to go in a logical reading order: left-to-right, top-to-bottom. My expected order was something like this:
Hope this helps. Dcoetzee 08:37, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
There is a bit of lag on Google Chrome running Windows 7. Deathawk ( talk) 08:51, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
As an experienced editor, I considered this new tool a good step forwards in encouraging new people to edit. However, the new editor is actually harder to use than good old wikimarkup. Referencing is infinitely more difficult with the new (and dodgy) templates tool, adding parameters takes far longer than simply using tools like proveit. To make matters worse, after I had finished editing and clicked 'save page' the visual editor hanged and I lost all of my work. Jr8825 • Talk 12:45, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
Here's another observation from further using VE: it's inconvenient that it doesn't have cut/copy and paste functions. I can copy and paste text within my browser, but it doesn't seem to be possible to copy-paste templates and other elements. (In the old editor, this isn't a problem, as you can just copy the source text.) That means there's no way to move a template to another place in an article, or duplicate it, short of recreating the whole thing. I'm not missing something here, am I? Robofish ( talk) 22:20, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
Will there be a way to switch to Edit Source after putting in some changes with the VisualEditor? For example, I fix up some prose with VE, and then I want to make a detailed cite web but don't want to navigate the reference button. - AngusWOOF ( talk) 01:21, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
I inserted a reference in this NS1 Antigen Article. It was in the middle of the article, probably the second last reference, but the visual editor created a new reference at the beginning of the list. Now the numbers of the reference and the text do not add up. Medschneverends ( talk) 03:48, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
How do I create something like this in VE?
The end of the list with commentary. -- Atethnekos ( Discussion, Contributions) 16:42, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
Why have you taken a simple workable system and replaced it with something that is at best cack-handed? Ray Routledge ( talk) 09:20, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
at least, ending nowiki tags are. - The Bushranger One ping only 20:55, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
<nowiki/>
works by itself and isn't an ending tag without a start. See
WP:NOWIKI. VE placed the space in a silly place inside the wikilink instead of outside, and then <nowiki/>
or something else was needed to not make "module" part of the link. Compare
GPS module and
GPS module.
PrimeHunter (
talk) 22:39, 18 August 2013 (UTC)Is this expected behaviour? Take two lines. Line 1 is blank (or has text, doesn't matter). Line 2 has text. Put cursor on line 1, and select some formatting according to the dropdown box. Select all the text on line 2, give it a different formatting according to the drop down box. Go to beginning of line 2 and press backspace, or to (end of) line 1 and press delete. The second line merges with the first line and takes on whatever formatting the first line had. Pressing enter to break the lines doesn't return the formatting. Doesn't happen with bold/italic. -- Atethnekos ( Discussion, Contributions) 16:15, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
Hi, I have been using VE a bit and am chagrined whenever I enter an edit summary and hit "enter", expecting my page to be saved, and only get a new line in the edit summary box. It would be awesome if hitting enter in the edit summary box saved the page. That's all! Keilana| Parlez ici 06:03, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
I'm finding that I cannot re-use a reference in VE if I have just added it in the editor. I first must save an edit with the new source, then re-open the editor to re-use the reference. For some reason, the references do not generate until I've actually saved an edit, so cannot be re-used until the first instance is saved. So if I am using multiple quotes from a single source, I must either cite only the first quote until I save my work and re-open the editor, thus leaving the other quotes temporarily unattributed, which I don't like doing, or else I must only transcribe the first quote, cite it and save, then re-open the editor to add the other quotes, which is quite time consuming.-- ¿3fam ily6 contribs 16:01, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
In the wikitext editor, you drag-n-drop text and code from one part of an article to another. VE (still?) doesn't support this. This might seem trivial, but I've found that drag-n-drop is a nice enough convenience to be significant.-- ¿3fam ily6 contribs 16:08, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
According to http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Wikipedia_talk%3AFlow&diff=569260097&oldid=569182992, the <math> tag is supported in Parsoid, but not in VE, due to a lack of a hook. Since LaTeX is so ubiquitous in math markup, a trivial hook that just added the option to add math from the interface (with the instructions stating it uses LaTeX markup), and the ability to edit preexisting math would likely solve a lot of issues. A fully visual version probably isn't as useful in the short term when the code is so standardised.
Another easy support that could be added would be a simple, cut-and-paste-in-the-code LilyPond hook. There are many programs that format LilyPond, so merely pasting it in isn't so bad of preliminary functionality, particularly if you link to http://lilypond.org/web/about/faq in the pop-up box. Adam Cuerden ( talk) 18:44, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
The beta version lacks a way to add a column in an existing table or insert a new table Tinyhelper ( talk) 19:48, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
I experimented with the Beta editor to insert a reference to a source for something I had just added to the Cradley Heath Baptist Church article. I used what I thought was a Preview function which came up as Compare Changes. When I saved the edit, the reference came up in the text, complete with the ref and /ref tags. going to the old editor to find out what had happened, I found nowiki tags had been added. Removing these cured the problem. Perhaps I should check the User Guide to find out what I should have done. Robert of Ramsor ( talk) 22:06, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
If you edit this revision of radiocarbon dating with VE, and scroll down to the section on accelerator mass spectrometry, you'll see a math parse error, although the math parses properly when not in VE. I know it can't be edited, so it's harmless, but it's ugly and might indicate other parsing errors. Mike Christie ( talk - contribs - library) 11:05, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
Do you have mathJax turned on? It looks like the formula parses fine using MathJax but not with the texvc parser. The problem is mixing UTF8 character with maths. There is a unicode δ character in each formula with causes the formula not to parse correctly. Using \delta instead and it works fine. Other unicode also cause problem notably the proper minus symbol U+2212 − MINUS SIGN rather than a simple hyphen U+002D - HYPHEN-MINUS and there also seem to be a problem with a quote character. MathJax is modern enough to handle unicode but texvc is older and stricter.-- Salix ( talk): 20:53, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
After using the beta edition and saving changes, site refreshes and gets back to beginning of page, instead of the changed section. Lmfardin ( talk) 12:36, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
Status | New: |
---|---|
Description | I did a minor change to to the text of a page. VE did that change but also broke a wikitable in the section following the one I edited. Related to this is that while in VE the table was not displayed. In its place I saw "{| class="wikitable"" followed by the table contents though not formatted as a table implying this is an issue with VE parsing the original wikitext. |
To duplicate: | Run VE on this page. When looking at the diff, I intended to change "Eclipse" to "Ecxxxlipse". The remaining stuff that was changed was a VE generated side-affect. |
Operating system | Windows Vista |
Web browser | Firefox 23.0.1 |
Site | En-WP |
Workaround | |
Skin | Vector |
Resolution | |
Bugzilla |
-- Marc Kupper| talk 04:46, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
All right edited Danydel ( talk) 18:52, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
Currently when you click on a template with the "VTE" (view, talk page, edit) links, Visual Editor gives you the option of adding parameters to the transclusion of the template. Most of the templates with the "VTE" links are navigational boxes or other transcluded items without parameters, but as the VTE links suggest, we want people to easily view the template page itself. Maybe if someone clicks on a template with VTE links in Visual Editor, rather than being given the regular option to add parameters they should instead be given a dialogue box saying something along the lines of "This is a template that appears on many pages. Would you like to open this template's page in a new tab?". — Arctic Gnome ( talk • contribs) 13:45, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
|state=collapsed
parameters for these.
Whatamidoing (WMF) (
talk) 18:31, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
She is not a "former" golfer, but still plays golf regularly. 24.2.118.27 ( talk) 02:27, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
See this edit. VE created a link to another Wikipedia page - but using the format for inline external links.
I also continue to come across the <nowiki>...</nowiki>
mess,
as here and
here. --
Redrose64 (
talk) 07:44, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
I just got a Edit beta tab on The Adventure of the Reigate Squire, even though I'm in IE 10. What's weirder is that this is the only page where I've seen a VE tab. Also, I can't make any edits with it: I changed a few words in one sentence and added an edit summary, but the thing's just hanging there. I got a message of Warning: Your edit may have been corrupted – please review before saving. However, I've been unable to find anything corrupt, even though I reviewed everything that I'd done. Nothing of WP:EF came up, either. 2001:18E8:2:1020:202A:8DD6:6403:B77 ( talk) 16:25, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
If I start with a blank page, click a list icon, type in "France", press enter; I don't see any way to get my cursor to a position before the list so that I can enter data there. -- Atethnekos ( Discussion, Contributions) 22:34, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
hey folks -- Last night I created a new article with multiple references, and when I saved the page many of the references disappeared and some I think had jumped around. (I didn't save-as-I-went -- I wrote the whole thing and saved once, at the end.) I can't describe exactly what happened, but here's a diff: the latest revision is roughly what I was aiming to do, and the earlier revision is what I actually achieved. (Ignore the missing reflist: I just hadn't gotten around to figuring out how to add it in VE yet, so I did it afterwards in wiki syntax.)
So, in my initial VE save, it looks like references #5, 6 & 7 disappeared as did #14 and 15. (Numbers taken from the latest revision.) This suggests to me there's a problem with VE saving multiple adjacent references -- when there are multiples adjacent, it seems to save only the first. I think also some references jumped around, but I'm not 100% sure about that.
Also and separately: today I tried and failed to delete the empty spaces between multiple adjacent references (between #13 and 14 and #14 and 15). Post-save, I got a success message but the spaces remain, and there's no record of the edit.
I haven't checked Bugzilla for either of these -- apologies if they're duplicates. (I'm a bit sick and therefore lazy.) I'm using Chrome 28.0.1500.45 on Ubuntu 12.10. Thanks Sue Gardner ( talk) 22:47, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
Big Rock Point in Charlevoix, MI has been decommissioned and returned to greenfield also. So there are four plants which are leveled and able to be used for other things eventually. 2600:1016:B11A:5B9B:FA1E:DFFF:FEE6:A55F ( talk) 00:05, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
I added templatedata to the Template:Language but when I add it with VE, it still asks for variables 1 and 2, instead of "Language code" & "Display language"? Am I missing something? -- Stratoprutser ( talk) 08:09, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
VE breaks tables by inserting "Number =" (e.g. "1=", "2=") text into cells. I'm not super-familiar with the ins and outs of table display, but these numbers seem to control ordering of the rows, so that insertion/deletion of rows is overriden by these small text artifacts.
See Talk:Hartsfield–Jackson Atlanta International Airport#Number= in Airlines & Destinations table and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Airports#Visual Editor wreaking havoc on destination tables!. -- Chaswmsday ( talk) 16:53, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
...but that text is not on my screen. I'm a new user: you may know where the text is because you may have been looking, but I just spotted an issue in something I was reading and now... 37.188.82.157 ( talk) 23:22, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
While I don't know how widespread it is, I think there's quite a number of people who dislike the name "Edit source", primarily because "source", when applied to websites, has a very different definition (raw html, generally). Since the whole point of VisualEditor is to improve the user interface, having a misleading name on one part of the interface is a very bad idea, unless it's absolutely necessary.
So, what I'd suggest we do is to make a shortlist of the possibilities, then we can put it to a !vote. I've listed a few below.
Any other suggestions? Anyone disagree with my analysis of which ones might work and which I think don't? Adam Cuerden ( talk) 21:44, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
If people want to customise the interface the following javascript changes the labels
jQuery( document ).ready( function( $ ) {
// Paste snippet here
// Paste as many as you like, only one "jQuery document ready" wrapper is needed!
$('li#ca-edit span a').html('WT edit'); // changes tabs at top
$('li#ca-ve-edit span a').html('VE edit');
$('.mw-editsection:nth-child(2) a' ).html('WT edit'); // changes section links
$('.mw-editsection-visualeditor').html('VE edit');
} );
Add it to Special:MyPage/skin.js.-- Salix ( talk): 23:39, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Updates/August 21, 2013 added " " after the word "edit" to activate VE. I tried hiding it via my monobook.css but that did not help. The fix provided by Salix is still working but now there's a "beta" floating out there. -- Marc Kupper| talk 03:08, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
jQuery( document ).ready( function( $ ) {
// Paste jQuery snippet heres
$('li#ca-edit a').html('Edit'); // change label for wikitext edit tab
$('li#ca-ve-edit a').html('VE edit'); // change label for visualEditor edit tab
$('.mw-editsection:nth-child(2) a' ).html('Edit'); // change label for wikitext section edits links
$('.mw-editsection-visualeditor').html('VE edit'); // change label for visualEditor section edit links
$('.mw-editsection-bracket').css('display','none'); // Don't display [ ] square brackets for section edits
// $('.mw-editsection-divider').css('display','none'); // Don't display the | divider for section edits (commented out)
$('h1#firstHeading .mw-editsection-visualeditor').css('display','none'); // Don't display the section 0 VE edit link which is broken
$('h1#firstHeading .mw-editsection-divider').css('display','none'); // Don't display the divider for section zero
} );
display:none
turned off the <span class="ve-tabmessage-appendix">beta</span>
and that it was able to do so for the tabs at the top, the first section, and all following sections. --
Marc Kupper|
talk 16:29, 22 August 2013 (UTC)see here -- Redrose64 ( talk) 23:15, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
|- |}
|}
part. I wonder if there's a way to find all instances of such malformatted tables and repair them. A bot, maybe?
Whatamidoing (WMF) (
talk) 18:25, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
If I want to make a link to e.g. target, why does I have to find it on the list first? Target coperation is the first on the drop-down-list, and if I press escape (the list disaperes) and only "target" in the "link-box", but the actual links I get is the first entry on the list.
Why are the red links blue? Its misleading - maybe all the links should be colored another color?
When open the link-box at the bottom of the page, I cant see the list (without scrolling - using the mouse) -
Christian75 (
talk) 09:39, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
Slashme ( talk) 13:53, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
Which bug is this? - David Gerard ( talk) 13:40, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
I am using Google Chrome on OS X Mountain Lion. When I click "Edit beta" on a section, the browser scrolls down to a random place in the page. I am assuming this is caused due to several things being removed such as the summary, but it is inconvenient to find the section I was attempting to edit. It also scrolls randomly when I press the link for feedback. I have to scroll again to find the feedback dialog. But overall this is a great idea for unsophisticated users :)4 173.73.156.63 ( talk) 15:05, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
This "template" makes VE show nothing...
{{Persondata Metadata: see
Wikipedia:Persondata.
|NAME = |
DEATH = }}
From a real page - I would fix a broken template. And the output isnt nothing. Btw. if the template wasnt broken, its near impossible to find {{ persondata}}) template on a page (with VE), and you have to know that its there (somewhere). Christian75 ( talk) 21:17, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
If I edit a blank page, press on the number list or bullet list icon and then press enter, the page remains blank but I have no cursor. Then other strange things start to happen. Pressing the link icon does not seem to do anything. I can press some icons (transclusion, references, etc) and they will appear, but if I then exit it, pressing it again or any other icon does nothing. Undo works though. FF 23.0.1 Win7. -- Atethnekos ( Discussion, Contributions) 21:27, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
Start with a blank page. I type in "*". I get a wikitext markup warning. Then I type in "</nowiki>" and then "'''test'''". When I save, I'm left with "*test</nowiki>" with the bolding. -- Atethnekos ( Discussion, Contributions) 22:25, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
<nowiki>*</nowiki>'''test'''</nowiki>
, which renders as *test</nowiki>
. The bold-faced formatting is objectively wrong, but it's the "23" that mystifies me. Can you reproduce this?
Whatamidoing (WMF) (
talk) 02:44, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
<nowiki>
. It's only if you're additionally triggering the nowiki markup for that line (e.g., by starting the line with an * or triple single quotes) that the nowiki code isn't processed safely. I think we need to add a bug for this.
Whatamidoing (WMF) (
talk) 18:33, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
Start with a blank page, type in "Hello", select the text make it a link to France. Move cursor into middle of "Hello" type in " ". When I save I'm left with " Hel lo" with the non-breaking space rendered. No wikitext markup warning. -- Atethnekos ( Discussion, Contributions) 22:49, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
So I made this page with VE: User:Atethnekos/sandbox2. It looked fine as I was making it. However, the Sfn template within the reference doesn't render in view mode (to be expected), but it does in VE. Nothing while placing this template within the reference in VE suggested that it wouldn't work.
Also, when first making it, the Vcite book template would render properly in VE, but now going to VE with the page after having saved, it doesn't render properly. It shows a <span> tag. -- Atethnekos ( Discussion, Contributions) 00:35, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
Chocolate tastes better than other foods.<ref group=note>Specifically, experts agree that chocolate tastes better than whiskey.<ref group=source> Expert Council (2013) ''Important reliable source''.</ref> '''Notes''' {{reflist|group=note}} '''Sources''' {{reflist|group=source}}
Chocolate tastes better than other foods.[note 1]
Notes
- ^ Specifically, experts agree that chocolate tastes better than whiskey.[source 1]
Sources
- ^ Expert Council (2013) Important reliable source.
{{quotation
|Chocolate tastes better than other foods.<ref group=note>Specifically, experts agree that chocolate tastes better than whiskey.<ref group=source>Expert Council (2013) ''Important reliable source''.</ref>
Notes
Sources
}}
When trying to correct a lower-case letter to a capital letter at the beginning of a link, I deleted the lower-case letter and found I couldn't type a capital letter and have it become part of the link, nor could I seem to extend the link over the capital. Eventually, I typed the capital after the lower-case letter and then deleted the lower-case letter. It might be good to have some way to extend a link over adjoining letters/words/text. Mount Flatten ( talk) 05:31, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
How would VE deal with notices like this? Surely we don't require a page notice on every page.
I predict this has been asked before, but I'm too lazy to look at the archive. Insulam Simia ( talk) 07:39, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
How we can upload pics on wiki Tyconicon ( talk) 15:43, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
There was an unneeded section, so I selected the section, pressed "delete" and saved. VE did this; I expected it to do this. 28bytes ( talk) 00:44, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
If I start with a blank page, type in "<br>", select the entire text, press the link icon, select say "France" as the link, upon exiting the link dialog I am left with a link to [[France]] but the anchor is shortened to "<b". I don't get any "Wikitext markup detected" warning. -- Atethnekos ( Discussion, Contributions) 21:55, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
It used to be possible, in VE, to link to another section of a page (say, Bank#History). Now, when section information is added, in the Link/Hyperlink dialog box, VE just deletes it when the user presses [return] or exits (in any way) that dialog box.
I realize this isn't the right place to ask, but really, does the VE team do any systematic testing of bug fixes before they roll them out? Is the QA team (of whom I've never seen a mention in these pages, but I know exists) involved in testing VE bug fixes?
(Please pardon my frustration - I'm trying to keep the User guide up-to-date; now it looks like I'll have to delete (or hide, I guess) information about some functionality that was in place but no longer is. Why this VE not an opt-IN beta?) -- John Broughton (♫♫) 04:57, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
This has now been fixed and will be deployed "this afternoon" (San Francisco time). Thryduulf ( talk) 22:20, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
It did this. I expected it to do this. 28bytes ( talk) 00:41, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
This Albums proper name is "Triple J's Hottest 100 Volume 17 (2009)" GoodwarRising ( talk) 09:16, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
Try to edit Who the *$&% Is Jackson Pollock? on FF 23.0. The words "because of technical restrictions" are shown as indented text. -- Magioladitis ( talk) 10:23, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
Status | New: |
---|---|
Description | VE reports "Error: Unknown error" when trying to save content |
To duplicate: | I wanted to update List of Criterion Collection DVD and Blu-ray releases to make a wikilink. The edit worked but I got "Error: Unknown error" saving it. It's possible there was a timeout as the page is 177,293 bytes long. |
Operating system | Windows Vista |
Web browser | Firefox 23 |
Site | En-WP |
Workaround | Source editor |
Skin | Vector |
Resolution | |
Bugzilla |
-- Marc Kupper| talk 23:04, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
Hello - I do believe there remains an issue with very long pages. I dared to try VE on
2009 flu pandemic timeline, which is ~227kb, and a) encountered a "your edit might have been corrupted" message, indicating that I should check my edit and b) the inability to bring up the edit diff (timed out). Now, this article is known to be long enough to warrant splitting, but it would be useful to know the current confidence limits around page length and the ability to edit same. Is it dependent upon local environment (i.e. PC configuration and memory allocated to browser)? Or is there a server side known performance limit? Thanks for considering this. --User:Ceyockey (
talk to me) 01:28, 23 August 2013 (UTC) P.S. I did not try hard to implement my changes and did check to see if I had put an edit into the history which might have needed reversion; no edit in edit history was recorded after my truncation of the process, which was reassuring.
Status | Acknowledged |
---|---|
Description | problems working with page of size ~227kb |
To duplicate: | |
Operating system | Ubuntu Linux |
Web browser | Chrome 28 |
Site | en.wikipedia |
Workaround | edit source |
Skin | Vector |
Resolution | |
Bugzilla | 53093 |
Just encountered the "Error: Unknown error" with a successful edit while editing Fairfield, Iowa; see diff. --User:Ceyockey ( talk to me) 23:07, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
I was in the Marine Corps for 5 years, 7/69 to 2/74 and never heard it referred to as an "eight pointed" cap. That name might be very recent. 139.84.48.251 ( talk) 20:15, 24 August 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for switching the buttons. unfortunately the way its implemented leads to (possibly right now only the english is different) the button being in a different place each time I switch between language versions.-- Saehrimnir ( talk) 16:10, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
If I edit Josephus on Jesus, the caption "A 1631 Testimonium page with commentary" for the image in the section Josephus on Jesus#Testimonium Flavianum is not visible. Doesn't appear to actually change anything when I go to save though. -- Atethnekos ( Discussion, Contributions) 04:20, 25 August 2013 (UTC)
So I put a space and then a backspace. Go to save, review changes to check and make sure it is a null edit, then it goes to this "processing" dialogue but then it shows "Could not start the review because your revision matches the latest version of this page." So then I press the little back link on the dialogue, but it just goes back to the processing dialogue. If the page is small, the processing is really quick, so before I can even press back again, it goes back to the "Could not start" warning message. Even if I do manage to press the back a second time quickly, it will only stay at the save dialogue for a split second and then again bring me to the warning message, although then pressing back does take me to the save dialogue securely. FF 23.0.1 Win7. -- Atethnekos ( Discussion, Contributions) 04:35, 25 August 2013 (UTC)
Is there a page, or perhaps a query that could be run in Bugzilla, that would tell me what the most recent update was to VE, and what bugs were intended to be fixed by that update? That way I could check the bugs that interest me that should have been fixed. Mike Christie ( talk - contribs - library) 15:31, 25 August 2013 (UTC)
It's true, really. There are still dozens upon dozens upon dozens of bugs in it, and nobody on this site likes it or appears to find it trustworthy. The old wikitext editor was so much better and more reliable. I don't know why the WMF thought it was a good idea to release the VE while it is still in beta testing. It's just like commercial software; think about it! Would developers want to release their products while still in beta? Of course not! Because all that does is lead to the company making significantly less money than expected, and people not ever wanting to buy their products, because they will think that the developers are lazy, impatient, and always rushing their products before they're even ready. BTW, I have VE completely disabled for my account. Sometimes the stuff that's designed to be convenient just doesn't work. Anyway, that's my feedback on VE. Interlude 65 ( Push to talk) 15:47, 25 August 2013 (UTC)
When I edit the end of a wikilink (not the link itself, but the text displayed), such as changing it to a plural, the actual link does not continue over the new characters. Also, I want to create a line break in the middle, the break and any text after it are not included in the link. Is there a patch being developed that will allow editors to choose whether they want the link to extend over some new text or not?-- ¿3fam ily6 contribs 20:05, 25 August 2013 (UTC)
Editing (in order to fix) badly constructed tables like in this page ( Android_version_history, there were two rows with one left column at the end of the Android 4.3 table) shows the content below the badly constructed table within the table. PhistucK ( talk) 08:14, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
|-}
is not a tag to close a table. The issue is that the php parser treats the specific malformed markup in
[22] as a correctly closed nested table i.e. at the end of an otherwise correctly formed table|-} {| |}
Is treated as
{| |} |}
Whereas if there is any content between the |-}
and |}
the php parser treats it as the code says it should. Consequently I'm not really sure what VE or Parsoid should be expected to do when it encounters this? Pinging
Ssastry, who may have some useful input here.
As an aside, the markup here appears to be the result of incompletely cleaning up this VisualEditor edit on 27 July. That's one of the known table bugs, but I can't remember which, and so has either been fixed or is being worked on. Thryduulf ( talk) 09:57, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
|- |}
|- |}
is being discussed at #Chess pieces still happening above. That is a scenario that most definitely should be handled as valid sequence of valid tags.
|-}
as discussed here is not a valid tag and something that Parsoid should not be expected to frequently encounter. Thryduulf ( talk) 18:16, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
<tr>...</tr>
line render fine in browsers - e.g.
this test page, so VE needs to able to deal with it on an ongoing basis.
Thryduulf (
talk) 18:50, 23 August 2013 (UTC)Gryllida ( chat) 05:36, 25 August 2013 (UTC)
Back from a fortnight away, so I'm not up to speed on all recent developents, but decided to have a go with VE while stub-sorting.
Editing Parvardigar (Pete Townshend song), I fixed the stub, wanted to add {{ unref}} after the navigation hatnote. Put cursor in front of the "P" of the lead sentence, added the template, all looked fine. Went to save it, looked at "Review your changes", and the word "Parvardigar" had been deleted, replaced by the template. Closed the "save page" window, had another look at the work in progress: the {{ unref}} displays, and so does the word "Parvardigar": so the word seems to have been deleted, but is still being shown in the displayed version while I'm editing. Ouch. Will save the edit, then go back and fix it.
... Interesting: when I've saved the article, the word Parvardigar is missing, immediately. The change to stub template and resulting category don't appear till I reload the page. Quirks of VE. Pam D 16:34, 25 August 2013 (UTC)
I made this User:Atethnekos/sandbox4 as a demonstration. If the hlist template is used in an infobox or a table like on the page, when I go to VE, the list will end up be extended far into the page. If it's used with [[File:Image]] as on the page, the list will end up being cut off, and then some weird things will happen if I try to click on the hlist template (e.g., the page will be extended to right and my browser will give a horizontal scroll bar). FF 23.0.1 Win7-- Atethnekos ( Discussion, Contributions) 19:33, 25 August 2013 (UTC)
I took a poke at the subscripting and superscripting feature now available on mediawiki.org, and I think I may have encountered a bug. First, I noticed a strange behavior where anything I typed at the end of that third line, if I then hit enter, it would be duplicated in the fourth line, and my cursor would move to the fifth (blank) line. I then took a look at the wikitext generated by VE, and it looked odd, so I copied it into a wikitext editor, and got a rather different looking result than VE was showing. Also, upon saving with VE, I got this result, which is the same as copying into wikitext editor, but not what VE was showing me. Chris857 ( talk) 20:54, 25 August 2013 (UTC)
After editing a page in beta mode on the iPad, the format of several links, which have not been edited by me, was changed (HTML hyperlink tags added), prompting an error message on saving the page. The corrupted links can be found in my edit (undone afterwards) of the EMD SD90 MAC article. Wetzgau21 ( talk) 14:51, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
this league not double round robin, but single round robin and knock out. 223.30.7.70 ( talk) 19:50, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
The information for Charles Hall states in 2005 he was involved in a car accident caused by a drunk driver. I am the mother of Matthew that was killed in this accident and I would be happy to provide evidence from the inquest that Matthew had not had a drink at all. The alcohol that showed up in one of the samples contained bacteria from Matthews stomach contents due to him suffering crush injuries to his chest. -- Meer2005 ( talk) 20:39, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
Just over a week ago, I helped out at an edit-a-thon at the Royal Ontario Museum. Whilst there, I did talk to the new users about trying out VisualEditor (as opposed to the wikitext editor). To a person, they all said that VE was *more* difficult to use than wikitext, especially with respect to references. Now, they had all had reinforced to them the importance of referencing factual information, so they were all trying to include references. They pointed out that at least with the wikitext editor, they could pull up templates that were complete and they didn't have to try to figure out the parameters. They were using mostly printed sources, not websites, so there was no URL to use as a quick-and-dirty reference insertion. The wifi wasn't great there, and even I had a hard time opening pages with VE as compared to wikitext (it kept hanging on me). Finally, they complained that the help pages weren't as helpful as they expected because they were now oriented toward VE, while they were working with wikitext. That last point tells me that we need two complete sets of help pages. Risker ( talk) 02:08, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
I've added your comments about reference editing to T52458 and reported your comments about the icon for inserting templates as T55396. Thryduulf ( talk)
A couple months have gone by since the release of Visual editor and eventhough a large number of problems have been fixed, there are still hundreds of bugs nad enhancements needed. With all the problems that have been identified, and as fast as that list is growing, along with all the limitations and exceptions to using this app, why are still forcing it to be used? We need to stop forcing this out. This application needs to be opt in only for now. Once the major bugs are worked out and we can trust the application to make an edit without screwing it up, then we can make it opt out. The RFC to make this opt in has overwhelming support so its time for the WMF to do the right thing. We need to take a step back, make the app opt in only and not encourage new editors to try and use it yet. We need to fix the bugs and increase the functionality. We need to do these things because its the right thing to do. Hate me if you want for continuing to call attention to this but the bottom line is this application is largely a failure and it needs to be fixed. Kumioko ( talk) 14:38, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
[[Alésia|<nowiki/>]][[Alésia|<nowiki/>]][[Siège d'Alesia |<nowiki/>]][[Siège d'Alésia|Alésia]]
), strange internal links ([[Commentaires sur la Guerre des Gaules|Commentaires]] [[de]] [[César]] [[sur]] [[la]] [[guerre]] [[des]] [[gaules]]
). And the only answer I got on frwiki is still that "nothing proves it has anything to do with VE". --
NicoV (
Talk on frwiki) 18:47, 23 August 2013 (UTC)Hi,
With reference to bug no 49569. From my todays test edits at mr wiki, it seems some efforts have taken place to initiate/enable ULS unicode Devnagari Script input in VE edits.But for practical usage,even for primary begining, it seems to have too many issues yet.Before informing the issues do we wait untill we are officially informed from your side or do we start reporting issues ?
I suppose till now there is no separate bug to track "VE+ULS unicode Marathi language Devnagari script issues". Would you prefer to start a separate bug for tracking or you expect us to join with some existing bug reports for related issues.
Thanks and regards
Mahitgar ( talk) 05:31, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for all above replies.I will study and list problems for Marathi language VE+ULS environment here in a tabular form over couple days
Number | Name of page where probleme arose- | Difference of edit if available | Problem description | additional details | ULS Method of input | Browers and OS | Bug/status |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
1 | mr:धूळपाटी(sandbox page) | Can not create the screen shot/or edit diff | No other text on a page> Type a word + space bar = eliminates typed text imidiately | If some text is already there on the page or we copy paste then we can give the space bar with less frequency of this problem. | VE+ULS Method of input = अक्षरांतरण (Non-VE source edit environ,ULS Method of input = अक्षरांतरण works normal | Firefox+Win7 | ? |
२ | mr:धूळपाटी(sandbox page) | In normal speed typing,after we type first alphaabate cursor moves from right to left direction.Word marathi need to apear मराठी with VE+ULS instead is coming राठीम | Marathi language devanagari is written in left to right direction.But when we use ULS Method of input = अक्षरांतरण with VE cursor is moving in opposite direction as if we are typing a right to left script | उदाहरण | |||
work in progress | उदाहरण =example still to be written | उदाहरण | उदाहरण | उदाहरण |
Bugs to watch
I did not see this mentioned elsewhere, but I have encountered a bug where, if I add multiple citations to back a statement, the Visual Editor only saves the first citation I added. This happened once when I added three citations to back a claim and had to add each one individually over the course of three edits and again just now when I had to add a second citation after it didn't get saved. Multiple citations can be added if they are separate as I had added a citation for another statement in the same edit and it was saved. Seems VE has a problem specifically with citations being added next to each other.-- The Devil's Advocate tlk. cntrb. 00:39, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
I tried to edit refs with VisualEditor, but it seems to lack the <ref name="Example"> feature.- Seonookim ( What I've done so far) ( I'm busy here) ( Tell me your requests) 06:20, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
The article The Legend of Korra (Book 2) gets constantly disrupted when somebody edits (any part of) it using VE. The following two lines of text are inserted into a table:
<ref name="Futon">{{ns. -->
|''''=|ok Tw=| Spir=ts''''' is the second season of the animated TV|ser=es ''[[The Legend of Korra]]'' by [[Michael Dante DiMartino]] an| [[B=|an Konietz=}}</ref><ref name="Futon">{{ episode| ("c=|pters=|. Ord=red in early 2011, ''Book Two: Spirits'' will a|r o= [[Nickelodeon]] in the U.S. beginning on September 13, 2013.<re| nam=|"Yahoo 15 =}}</ref><ref name="Futon" /><ref name="Futon" /><ref name="Futon" /><ref name="Futon" /><ref name="Futon" /><ref name="Futon" /><ref name="Futon" /><ref name="Futon" />
Please check the recent article history. Although at first I though this was some persistent vandalism, I seriously doubt this now. If possible, please edit the article in such a way that the bug does not show up any more. YLSS ( talk) 06:59, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
<td id="pc{{{ProdCode}}}">{{{ProdCode}}}</td>So, if you pass in
| ProdCode = 113<ref name="xyz" />you can see that the td-cell produced by the template will break. So, the template is not designed to take anything but numbers/strings for the ProdCode parameter. The same is true for the EpisodeNumber parameter. All uses of this template in WP pages where these parameters are not strings are errors in source wikitext on those pages. Hope this clarifies the matter. Ssastry ( talk) 16:01, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
there is a mistranslation in the Etymology section of this article. Nishikigoi translates literally as Western (Nishi-Ki) Carp (Goi/Koi). 98.65.239.24 ( talk) 15:51, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
I've just found
this edit; see the first two changes where the <a>...</a>
element has been used. this element is not permitted in wikitext - was it added by the user, or by VE? --
Redrose64 (
talk) 16:14, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
In album articles (like Def Leppard's X) I can't edit the reviews section because the track listing is next to it. Please fix this. Mab987 ( talk) 05:50, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
STRONG SUPPORT. This new tool makes me excited to start new pages again! Mashford ( talk) 18:30, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
I can not figure out how to return to editing the article when using the "Edit" (rather than "Edit Source") option. In order to preview changes, it appears that I need to click on Save page. From there I can preview the changes, cancel, or accept--but I cannot figure out how to return to the edit form and change my changes rather than discarding all of them (or accepting all of them). Am I missing something, or does the "Edit" functionality not include that feature yet? Grim0098 ( talk) 02:30, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
I'm not sure why this is happening, but whenever someone uses the visual editor in the 2013 US Open (tennis), the tables in the "Point and prize money distribution" section get all screwed up. Tad Lincoln ( talk) 04:04, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
And this edit is mute. I would expect a warning or something. -- Magioladitis ( talk) 07:25, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
Check this one. The > was removed from all tr tags. -- Magioladitis ( talk) 07:41, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
There is a list of all pages using HTML table elements at Wikipedia:CHECKWIKI/031 dump. I asked for help converting them. -- Magioladitis ( talk) 07:45, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
</tr>
tags, but no corresponding <tr>
tags. It still shouldn't mangle the table, but at least it should be a rare thing to encounter. My sandbox testing shows that there appears to be no issues with HTML tables more generally.Nice work. At some point you may want to add LaTeX editing (probably best to do raw, not WYSIWYG LaTeX!). Also, when I clicked the Edit button it added a new line between the title and the first paragraph that I couldn't remove. 86.184.25.131 ( talk) 11:16, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
When reading an article or editing it using the standard editor, redirects appear as green links instead of blue since I configured it that way. VE does not seem to use these values, and shows all internal links (including red links) as blue. 28bytes ( talk) 11:37, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
Editing infoboxes using VE (as I did here) is somewhat difficult and unintuitive. I just wanted to change an uppercase "T" to a lowercase "t", but instead of just clicking and editing the desired infobox text, you must click on the infobox, then click the "transclusion" puzzle piece, then find the parameter that contains the text you wish to edit, and then edit the wikitext (not WYSIWYG text) as desired. While there are a wide variety of infobox types, some sort of WYSIWIG editor for them would be extremely helpful. 28bytes ( talk) 11:48, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
when i try to add a reference it just adds an existing -= false one. 78.8.195.23 ( talk) 13:25, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
I tried to create my first VE article today (I've created 100 or so the "old fashioned" way.) Here are some observations.
== References ==
section with {{Reflist}}. Or at the very least, just {{Reflist}}. As it is, the reference is just "hidden" when you enter it, and it's unreasonable to assume a new user will know they have to click the "transclusion" button and manually type in "Reflist" to get the references they entered to appear. There is no warning that the {{Reflist}} is missing until you actually save the article, when you get
a scary red message at the bottom.
-- 28bytes ( talk) 13:00, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
Thanks. The user guide answered my question about categories, but raised a few more:
-- 28bytes ( talk) 15:04, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
pregnancy
, then select it, and press Control+k to enter the link inspector. If you press Control+k first, and then type pregnancy
, the autocomplete "feature" gives you leading caps.My VisualEditor stopped working completely like a month ago. When I try to edit, the article's text goes gray, and the "loading bar" appears and shows does the loading animation. But that's it. It never loads. I am using Fireox 22.0 (technically Iceweasel). I have deleted my browser cache completely. I even tried resetting my Wikipedia preferences but it still happens. Any ideas? Cookies and Javascript are enabled too. Jason Quinn ( talk) 01:42, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
...that breaks a link, and only adds a closing nowiki tag: [35]. - The Bushranger One ping only 06:05, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
In Australia, 'bok choy' is also used. Source: I've lived in Australia my entire life, and I'd only ever heard 'bok choy' until I read this article. Not sure if that's a valid enough source, though I thought I might at least mention it. 202.61.150.40 ( talk) 12:29, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
This entry is religious propaganda. It is opinionated, unreferenced and a promotion for this person. See Wikipedia entry for "Daniel Nalliah", his co-founder of their evangelical church. 123.2.188.143 ( talk) 14:22, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
I just discovered something that is much easier and faster to do in VisualEditor than in the classic editor: fixing list formatting. Someone had made a list of books without any list formatting. Each "list entry" was a paragraph, separated by blank lines. Fixing it required only highlighting the list and clicking the list button. All the blank lines were automagically removed. I'm very happy about this. WhatamIdoing ( talk) 15:20, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
Hi, When trying to link to other wiki pages, most of the time the correct page shows up but when it doesn't there is no way to create a new link. For instance, I'm trying to link "Me and My Chauffeur Blues" from the Memphis Minnie list of songs page to the "My Chauffeur Blues" wikipedia page. BIcurious3334 ( talk) 15:23, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
Using Firefox 23.0.1 in Windows XP, if I view W. S. Gilbert, whether logged in or not, most images are 220px wide. This is because they use the thumb parameter, and 220px is the default on English Wikipedia, and what I have not changed my preferences.
If I open it in VisualEditor, the images become a lot smaller, however. Can anyone duplicate this?
Adam Cuerden (
talk) 17:34, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
although probably not what is desired, is automatically changed by VE to
Actually, this may be a feature. But it probably should be noticed somewhere. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 22:20, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
A point was raised yesterday about an editor who was continually making changes to articles contrary to comments in the wikisource (two examples of such comments being "<!-- DO NOT CHANGE THIS NATIONALITY WITHOUT DISCUSSION ON TALK PAGE -->" and "<!-- This is, as Wikipedia guidelines suggest, as he self-identifies and by long-term consensus -->" ). A suggestion was made that as the editor concerned was using the Visual Editor he would not have seen these comments in the source. Is this true? (I don't use VE, and I'm an IE user so couldn't use it if I wanted to, so can't check). - David Biddulph ( talk) 18:27, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
Entering Visual Editor mode renumbered the references on page Python_(programming_language), so they don't match the references listed at the end of the article. Davipo ( talk) 08:36, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
As the subject says -- no means exists of adding this important feature. Additionally, no means exists of flagging this article as containing questionable content. 173.11.86.22 ( talk) 18:57, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
Some templates like {{ prod}} must be substituted. I can't see anyway to add {{subst:prod}}.-- Salix ( talk): 07:28, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
How are some people thinking this is a valid place for article feedback? I located this link from the BETA link once I'd started the VE. Is there any other place it is available from? Mark Hurd ( talk) 14:21, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
This is likely a transient problem, but wanted to at least squeal "ouch" as I've been unable to review changes or save changes via Visual Editor over the past 30 min or so. --User:Ceyockey ( talk to me) 15:26, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
|origyear=
rather than |year=
in {{
cite book}}. This was due to an error in the template data, with |origyear=
being marked as "required", really it should be either |year=
or |data=
marked as required but to be even more pedantic neither are actually required just recommended (see
T52747).--
Salix (
talk): 17:05, 30 August 2013 (UTC)I had the Problem that while I was writing my Change Summary after editing the page I wasn't able to delete what I had previously written i.e. couldn't use delete or backspace. Tathbelin ( talk) 20:27, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
The mechanism arrows are completely wrong. Whoever drew that does not understand anything about how to draw a mechanism. Please fix it asap. 169.232.142.208 ( talk) 22:54, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
This one isn't that major, but I've noticed that when editing in VE, the color of wikilinks and external links are the same. While the shades of blue are noticeably different when viewing an article, this pretty much disappears when editing an article. Like I said, it's not a big deal, but it is handy to be able to detect the difference between the links when editing an article.-- ¿3fam ily6 contribs 23:37, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
Since it's easy to edit, a lot of people who vandalizes can do it more often. Allenjambalaya ( talk) 13:30, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
Procedure: Go to this old revision of an article. Scroll down to the equipment section, and note that it includes an image which was deleted. Activate VE. Note that both the entire image box, including caption, are now invisible. When it comes to handling missing images, there are probably a dozen viable alternatives to this approach, all of which would be superior. -- Cryptic C62 · Talk 02:31, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
Is there a way to list things in numerical order but non-consecutively. For instance, the credits of a music producer who only produced certain tracks on an album. Example: Tyshane. Also, it would be nice to be able to tell the editor to write "01" as opposed to "1". In the case of Tyshane, the track which I wanted to add was the first on the recording, but I still couldn't use VE's numbered list because that only lists "1", not "01". I ended up using User:John Vandenberg's switch editor to pull off this edit successfully.-- ¿3fam ily6 contribs 02:59, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
There should not be a mark under the second S in the second word. Also, the second word should not be capitalized. Leepdx ( talk) 05:21, 1 September 2013 (UTC)
I didn't enter it correctly when first searching for it. Leepdx ( talk) 05:29, 1 September 2013 (UTC)
From up above in "Why are we still using this?", the following are responses given to NicoV's questions.
--Whatamidoing (WMF)
I'm fixing 15-20 articles a day with broken nowiki tags. Bgwhite ( talk) 06:23, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
Pasting a sentence that includes bold text and a link (may not be requirementa) is un-editable. Trying to edit a part of the sentence deletes the entire thing, as if the entire sentence was selected instead of one word. Trying to insert a word also overwrites the whole sentence. WildElf ( talk) 03:18, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
user:WildElf, that is still a bug. VE should detect that you've disabled that functionality, and warn the user and/or gracefully degrade. bugzilla:52008 and bugzilla:52089 are two example issues; there are probably others. John Vandenberg ( chat) 15:11, 1 September 2013 (UTC)
User:Markhurd editing while logged out. I can't see where people might think this is article feedback.
But I have seen two issues to note:
1. This "Submit Feedback" form's blurb should end with "your username or IP address, if not logged in."
2. It's grabbing bolded text immediately after an image (i.e. no whitespace in between ]] and ''') and duplicating it; not allowing you to edit it and the Show Changes shows it will duplicate it. 121.45.55.242 ( talk) 15:23, 30 August 2013 (UTC)(That was me logged out Mark Hurd ( talk))
So {{template}}'''Bold''' text
results in the bold-face text being removed. This also happens with [[link]]ed or ''italicized'' text
immediately after a template. Have you tested those options as well?
Whatamidoing (WMF) (
talk) 21:01, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
So someone added a book to a ==Further reading== section. Book #1 used a citation template. Book #2 did not. Neither had bullet list formatting.
Selecting them was hard. I ended up selecting the header, the template, and the plain-text citation. Then I clicked the 'list' button. Then I went back and repaired the formatting for the section heading. This isn't necessary, but it was easier than trying to figure out the exact stop to place the cursor. Here is the (correct) result.
But the display was odd. While I was in VE, the bullet for the first citation was at the start of the second line of the citation, not the first. It still displays this way now, if you just edit the page in VE. Has anyone else seen this? WhatamIdoing ( talk) 04:36, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
Something is displayed wrong in Template:Infobox rocket and many others and the [view] option in documentation is shown as [edit source]. -- Magioladitis ( talk) 22:45, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
I've a feeling its some javascript or css altering the links after the page is rendered. There has been some javascript trickery which changes the labels on things. Examining the source:
<span class="mw-editsection plainlinks" id="doc_editlinks">{{ #if: {{{doc exist|yes}}} | [[[{{{docpage|{{FULLPAGENAME}}/doc}}}|view]]] [[{{fullurl:{{{docpage|{{FULLPAGENAME}}/doc}}}|action=edit}} edit]] [[{{fullurl:{{{docpage|{{FULLPAGENAME}}/doc}}}|action=history}} history]] [{{purge|purge}}]
the first link should show as "view" but because it matches the css rule span.mw-editsection a
it is changed somewhere along the line to be "edit source". This has been done so normal section edit links display "edit source" to distinguish them from the VisualEditor its just that rule has also caught these links which should not be changed. I'm not quite sure yes where the css/js is modified though.--
Salix (
talk): 07:38, 1 September 2013 (UTC)
This edit by another user has the edit summary "(→Notation) (Tag: VisualEditor)" but the edit is actually to the "History" section. JonH ( talk) 19:22, 1 September 2013 (UTC)
Hi,
With reference to bug no 49569. From my todays test edits at mr wiki, it seems some efforts have taken place to initiate/enable ULS unicode Devnagari Script input in VE edits.But for practical usage,even for primary begining, it seems to have too many issues yet.Before informing the issues do we wait untill we are officially informed from your side or do we start reporting issues ?
I suppose till now there is no separate bug to track "VE+ULS unicode Marathi language Devnagari script issues". Would you prefer to start a separate bug for tracking or you expect us to join with some existing bug reports for related issues.
Thanks and regards
Mahitgar ( talk) 05:31, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for all above replies.I will study and list problems for Marathi language VE+ULS environment here in a tabular form over couple of days
Number | Name of page where probleme arose | Screen shot or Difference of edit if available | Problem description | additional details | ULS Method of input | Browers and OS | Bug/status |
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1 | mr:धूळपाटी(sandbox page) | Cannot create the screen shot/or edit diff | No other text on a page> Type a word + space bar = eliminates typed text imidiately | If some text is already there on the page or we copy paste then we can give the space bar with less frequency of this problem. | VE+ULS Method of input = अक्षरांतरण (Non-VE source edit environ,ULS Method of input = अक्षरांतरण works normal | Firefox+Win7 | 53700 and 53706 |
2 | mr:धूळपाटी(sandbox page) | In normal speed typing,after we type first alphaabate cursor moves from right to left direction.Word marathi need to apear मराठी with VE+ULS instead is coming राठीम | Marathi language devanagari is written in left to right direction.But when we use ULS Method of input = अक्षरांतरण with VE cursor is moving in opposite direction as if we are typing a right to left script | VE+ULS Method of input = अक्षरांतरण (Non-VE source edit environ,ULS Method of input = अक्षरांतरण works normal | Firefox+Win7 | 53701 | |
3 | mr:धूळपाटी(sandbox page) | File | Uncalled for repetition of charecters please see the file image | After this problem some time backspace, delete keys and left and right arrow keys of the key board work some times, do not work many times | VE+ULS Method of input = अक्षरांतरण (Non-VE source edit environ,ULS Method of input = अक्षरांतरण works normal | Firefox+Win7 | keys not working reported in bug 53708 |
4 | mr:अभिमन्यु and all other articles with text already present | Screen shot or diff Not possible without video recording itself of VE's moving self action | spell correction of any word eats up text on right side until you press space bar | उदाहरण | VE+ULS Method of input = अक्षरांतरण (Non-VE source edit environ,ULS Method of input = अक्षरांतरण works normal | Firefox+Win7 | 53757 |
5 | Any random selected article on mr-wikipedia | Wont be defficult to provide screen shots , Still need more usage pattern observation before providing screenshots to provide steps to reproduce | Where text is already present,Along with any of above problems, Some times edited aspect is shown in edit window but does not reflect in edit preview | Probably problem arises when we insert any additional charecters or word between two existing words in a sentence.I suppose this would be easy to reproduce. | VE+ULS Method of input = अक्षरांतरण (Non-VE source edit environ,ULS Method of input = अक्षरांतरण works normal | Firefox+Win7 | 53758 |
6 | Any random selected article on mr-wikipedia | Image to be provided | If for spelling correction purposes only few charecters within any word are selected and replaced with other charecter of same or lesser length, without movement of arrow keys or spacebar, save button does not get enabled, so effectively we would not be able to save the change | Behaviour seems to be indirectly related to above point 5 testing for the same going on | Bug 53788 | ||
7 | all articles | Do we need image for this | need enabling ULS input in Link,Reference,Category and template edit-windows | उदाहरण | 53717 |
Following most required marathi language typing pattern produces marathi sentense as given below in ULS input अक्षरांतरण (transliteration) using roman engilsh "qwerty" key board in traditional wikisource editing; The target for VisualEditor team is the same to happen smoothly for VisualEditor+ ULS input अक्षरांतरण (transliteration) environment.
most required marathi language typing pattern example
should transliterate ( produce) to following in smooth manner.
Bugs to watch
Mahitgar ( talk) 09:51, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
Thanks look forwards to - Mahitgar ( talk) 11:00, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for very positive response.Your suggession is most welcome I will place this discussion on your talk page and add further aspects there.Besides mr I can certainly bring in info on hi sa and ne wiki over coming week.
Regards
Mahitgar ( talk) 16:00, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
@ Siddhartha Ghai Thanks for nice support in reporting the bugs. I wish and request to have a look at bug 53754(not in above list) and please do check for hindi language too.
Thanks Regards
Mahitgar ( talk) 02:56, 5 September 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Whatamidoing (WMF) ( talk • contribs)
I have tried the visual editor a few times but found it slow, clumsy and error producing. What I would like is the option of a visual editor which shows the Wiki code, as a transition to a full visual editor.
What I found myself doing is seeing what Wiki code the visual editor produced, canceling the changes the visual editor was making and then manually pasting that code in with the old editor.
As an example, I was editing the entry on Marc_Newson, to add a new bullet point. I copied and pasted the existing entry about the Qantas 'Skybed' and edited it to make a new entry about the 2013 Qantas A330 Business Suites. The entry had a reference, which was copied along with the text. I edited this thinking it would create a new reference. But lucky I checked, as what this was doing was editing the existing reference, not creating a new one.
So what I would like is a visual editor which allows easier creating of content but shows the Wiki code being generated. Tom Worthington ( talk) 01:27, 1 September 2013 (UTC)
It will be a good idea to include autocomplete in Add Parameter when editing Infobox. For example if we want to include Development Status in our software infobox the autocomplete should suggest to include "status" as the user types Development or Status. RyanJon2040 ( talk) 05:35, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
You list Giuseppe Garibaldi's place of birth as Nice, First French Republic. In truth, Nice was part of the Kingdom of Sardinia in the year of Garibaldi's birth and was ceded to France many years later by the Kingdom of Sardinia. 64.175.36.88 ( talk) 00:55, 3 September 2013 (UTC)
87.69.232.196 ( talk) 21:34, 3 September 2013 (UTC)
The Khulm River runs from South to North, this reads like it runs n. to s.! 175.106.59.195 ( talk) 03:43, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
Status | New: |
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Description | User-added accented characters in table cells cause cell text not to display properly. Attempts to save this new input lose the accented Unicode characters. |
To duplicate: | See fr:Route 2 (Ontario) and its revision history, the distance chart is a table and Unicode descriptive text added with VisualEditor didn't save properly. [45] The damage was fixed using the standard MW wiki source editor but is still in history. Try inserting « La route 2 va à Montréal (Québec) » (or something/anything that isn't US ASCII) into a table cell and watch it fail to display correctly or fail to save. |
Operating system | Ubuntu |
Web browser | Firefox |
Site | Fr-WP |
Workaround | Edit the page with the old source editor to put the accents in their proper places. |
Skin | Vector |
Resolution | |
Bugzilla |
K7L ( talk) 03:56, 3 September 2013 (UTC)
Edit source isn't blazing fast, but VisualEditor is slow enough to feature in a Comcast commercial. Really, we need to get enough render bandwidth in place before deploying such heavy weight pages. Wcoole ( talk) 23:58, 3 September 2013 (UTC)
Not my best section header here :-) What I mean is this: someone tried to change [[Compton, California|Compton.]] to [[Compton, California|Compton]], [[California]]., but end up with [[Compton, California|Compton]], [[California]][[Compton, California|.]] In the visual editor, this is nearly impossible to see. It's perhaps not a real bug, but it's the kind of thing that happened a lot less in the old editor than in VE. Fram ( talk) 09:37, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
[46]; when an editor selects a section plus its header and removes it, the section header isn't really gone but gets one of the dreaded "nowiki" tags. When does someone really want an empty section header? Apparently VE is smart enough to recognise the need for a nowiki to separate the left and right sides of the section header, but isn't smart enough to just remove it altogether... Fram ( talk) 10:10, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
The VE has a number of differences between the actual page and the look in VE, most rather minor but somewhat annoying, like the abundance of spaces in and around templates (e.g. in quotes, or before and after notes and references).
A more prominent and for me harder to understand difference exists with reused references. Normally, they are shown as e.g. 1. a b c, but when in VE mode, they become 1. 1.0 1.1 1.2 (there is also a difference between the upward pointing symbols). I can see no reason for this, and for me, the VE version is actually harder to read than the traditional method, because it is unclear that the 1.0 and so on are not a part of the reference, but indicate that the reference is reused a few times. I would suggest that either the same look as in normal viewing mode is taken, or that they are removed (in VE only) altogether, since they can't be used in VE anyway.
These things can e.g. be seen when comparing the FA Pig-faced women in view mode and in VE mode. Fram ( talk) 10:38, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
On Johann Daniel Bager, in the Authority Control template, the only parameter at the moment is the VIAF one. However, on starting VisualEditor, a GND number is added as well. When editing the template through VE, the GND parameter is not yet present. I suppose these are found through Wikidata or some such, but what is the actual purpose? It is rather confusing, and not really helpful (considering that when I want to add a parameter, the suggestions (if that is what they are) are actually hidden beneath the template edit window). Similar issues can e.g. be seen at Johann Friedrich Bause or Johann Peter Krafft. Fram ( talk) 11:29, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
If you try and use beta to edit a page, but you've forgotten to log in, so you log in directly off the beta page, once you have successfully logged in it takes you back to the edit source page instead of the beta page. Minor, but thought you may want to correct it? Professor Hog ( talk) 11:50, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
I'm in the middle of article editing at the moment so this is partly an aide memoir for me when I have time to test it and partly a request to see if it is happening to others.
I'm finding that at least sometimes when trying to wikilink an existing work that contains an accented character, e.g. Marília, Bogotá that the accented characters are getting deleted. When trying to undo that the whole word (sometimes?) gets deleted. All this is in table cells, I haven't tried outside or with characters that are not in basic ASCII but are not accented Latin Characters. Everything seems to work fine when using the link dialog to add a link and the text at the same time.
I'm also sometimes getting strange corruption/duplication of text when adding a word with accented characters in a table cell.
The article I'm working on is Non-stop flight#Shortest flights. Please don't edit conflict me on that section though ;) Thryduulf ( talk) 23:38, 1 September 2013 (UTC)
Just now linking the text "Bogota" to Bogotá, deleting the "a" and typing "á" included the letter in the link as I wanted but when I went to link another word the "á" became a pawn :( Firefox 23 / Linux / Monobook for all of this. Thryduulf ( talk) 00:02, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
I deleted the pawn, put "á" there. It showed as "á" but a pawn was saved [49] (4th last change, an in-page search for "Avianca" is likely the quickest way to find it). Thryduulf ( talk) 00:15, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
I don't think I've got to the bottom of this yet, but experimentation in my sandbox has shown that it is unrelated to tables, and happens everywhere. It seems that the key thing is annotating or linking words containing accented or non-Latin characters. Doing so frequently causes the accented character to disappear. Re-adding such a character (not necessarily the same one) causes that character to (usually) turn into a pawn when anything else on the page is linked. I've reported what I've found so as T55680 but it would be useful to confirm this in other browsers, etc and if possible refine the cause a bit more. Thryduulf ( talk) 13:37, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
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When viewing Marathon swimming im VE the References section has several newline marks (↵). I suspect the VE should have some hovertext explaining their purpose. -- Marc Kupper| talk 19:27, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
At any given page, example, as long the edit box is selected (with the cursor blinking) pressing 'page down' or 'page up' takes you to the end of the page. Firefox 23.0, Linux Mint. 177.148.217.222 ( talk) 12:45, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
They're all over the place greenrd ( talk) 22:40, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
I edited this article in VE . In VE it looks fine, but when saved the table is distorted.
/info/en/?search=Contactless_smartcards_on_the_railways_of_Britain Matthew Dickinson ( talk) 17:46, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
It states in the bio that the native Keish is Tahitian. This makes no sense when he was born in the Yukon of the Taglish native group. Thanks, Maja 206.41.91.42 ( talk) 20:15, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
Classification of water body type is not dependent on hydrological links whether present or not. The "great lakes" of north america are great inland seas. Lakes are characterized by being surrounded by land but also by size. 173.17.134.122 ( talk) 02:06, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
When a page has <references/>, but no actual references, the above text appears in grey at the location of the references template. I think that the part "with the group """ should be removed, as it is confusing and unnecessary (references don't need a group, the group "" is not used on the page, the problem is simply that there are no references with the "ref" style at all). Example: N.O.T.R.. Fram ( talk) 09:34, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
May I suggest a better translation from tech geek into English? How about replacing 'no references with the group "" on this page' with 'no references on this page from the default grouping'. Other groupings would be displayed as 'from group "X"'. This is a bit more natural language. It requires assigning a special case to the null set, but, really, you should get used to that, after all, even if VE has probably another 6 months before it handles things like tables and templates well enough to really take off with the group, in the long run, this is meant to develop into a tool for newbies, and it's better to think ahead now. Ideally, you should likely drop "from the default group" in the absence of non-default-group items, and, unless there's a good reason not to, I'd go with the ideal. =) Adam Cuerden ( talk) 08:10, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
Hi,
I tried editing Teenage Dream (Katy Perry album) which is using the same technique as {{ Disable VE top}} and I managed to edit the article in VE without trouble. When I reviewed the changes: my modifications where there and the article was damaged (probably in the same way that made someone put the div in the article). -- NicoV ( Talk on frwiki) 16:49, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
It's apparent that Visual Editor is no longer respecting the protected node. Opening a bugzilla report.— Kww( talk) 18:01, 4 September 2013 (UTC) T55767. Commentary to assure developers that the ability to protect an article that VE cannot handle from being corrupted by VE is a critical need is appreciated.— Kww( talk) 18:09, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
I tried again on my test page on a different computer running Firefox 17.0.2 (ESR) under XP. At first, it seemed that the protected node was working, but at some point (after clicking, double-clicking, typing, ...) I managed to write in the protected node: the result was an even greater mess than before: still the duplication, quotes added all over the place (they seem correct but unnecessary), pipes removed, space added, ... -- NicoV ( Talk on frwiki) 11:05, 5 September 2013 (UTC)