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For most content, the NYPost is clearly unreliable, as the community decided in
Wikipedia:NYPOST. However, for transit (coverage by
Nolan Hicks) and real estate, it is generally reliable, and covers stories that the Daily News, New York Times, and other local media do not cover, such as a series on waste at the LIRR that warranted
a response by the MTA, which operates the LIRR. While
multiple
stories from other
outlets cover the proposed service increases on the subway, only
the Post story mentions what makes the service increase possible, A person familiar with the plan added that the MTA is also seeking to increase the speed at which trains can travel through work zones — which commonly disrupt weekend service — by 5 mph in order to fit the new schedule. Trains currently crawl underground at speeds of fewer than 10 mph.
. I had heard talk of this for months before. I realize that this likely will not happen, but I would recommend that we create a possible exception to
Wikipedia:NYPOST for the transit and real estate newsdesks.
Kew Gardens 613 (
talk) 00:08, 5 May 2023 (UTC)f
I am willing to concour on this subject. The Post is generally acceptable in 2 fields, NY Sports and NY Transit. Their other articles have issues but they tend to have a good transit desk and are a reliable source. Ask me about air Cryogenic air ( talk) 02:08, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
I supported a carve-out for sports above, but I'm wary here. When I saw the headlines of the first two stories linked above, along with a "NY Post investigation" it was easy to predict they were going to blame unions or one of the democratic politicians. When the Post reports on basic real estate information (the third link), I don't see an issue, but when it's original instigative reporting about city processes, I do think there's still reason to be wary of the influence of its politics. Maybe unions are to blame, along with those pesky democrats always giving in to union demands, but if all that is true I'd expect someone else to at least report on the Post's findings. That a good general rule for unreliable sources: wait for someone else to pick it up. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 03:23, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
other outlets did" Use those. "
confirmed by an MTA press release" Even better, cite that.-- Jayron 32 12:31, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
A person familiar with the plan added that the MTA is also seeking to increase the speed at which trains can travel through work zones — which commonly disrupt weekend service — by 5 mph in order to fit the new schedule. Trains currently crawl underground at speeds of fewer than 10 mph.., which is what sparked this. Kew Gardens 613 ( talk) 12:34, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
shownby who? - David Gerard ( talk) 14:16, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
It's a bit of an off-topic, but speaking of the NYPost I'm amazed that after being the only newspaper to report on a major story in the run-up to the US presidential elections, whereas all our green sources mostly just ignored it, and everyone is like nothing to see here, we're moving along to the next hot topic.
Major station closings, construction work, announcements would be published elsewhere- Maybe, and if they're not, I don't see any reason not to cite the Post for those.
Minor or temporary station closings, construction work, announcements don't seem to fit in an encyclopedia.Whether it's due weight is a separate consideration. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 21:47, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
makes the service increase possible; likewise, the one other thing you cite from them is manifestly highly controversial. RSP isn't absolute and you can always make an argument for an individual exception on the pages of specific articles, especially for something that is unexceptional and uncontroversial, but this would make a terrible argument for an exception and is a terrible argument for a carve-out. Beyond that, you haven't actually presented any argument for why you think this source is unusually reliable for transit- or real-estate related news; you've just indicated that you really really want to cite them because you can't find other sources for the things you want to add. The lack of other sources makes it more important to be careful, not less, because it means that glorified press releases or tabloid flack posted on those topics could come to define our entire coverage of those topics unopposed. Wikipedia can't cover everything; sometimes there's just not enough WP:RS coverage available. In that case the safe thing to do is to say nothing. -- Aquillion ( talk) 06:49, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
In February I removed a section from this on families as it had an unreferenced template and as well as having no references I believe it included trivia and at least one BLP issue about two brothers who were said to be alive. I also felt the tone wasn't encyclopedic. Recently a new editor, User:Naxh who clearly knows a lot about the town reverted me twice. They've now added some sources although they say that only the physical books accurately reflect the text. We had a big of a dingdong but I hope that's sorted. However, I'm still concerned about the sources and would like some uninvolved editors to comment - I'm notifying the editor so they can respond. The original text was added by three separate accounts in 2009 and I'm guessing they were probably locals. Here's my comments about the sources. I used Google translate.
2 https://www.annahar.com/arabic/section/83-%D8%B3%D9%8A%D8%A7%D8%AD%D8%A9-%D9%88%D8%B3%D9%81%D8%B1/02022021064848965 - not sure what it is.
3 is a political article https://www.ssnp.info/?article=98047 "The Syrian National Social Information Network is not responsible for the text and its content, and it only expresses the point of view of its author" clearly not an RS
10 is a personal website "The data presented, throughout the site, is derived from hard disk files that I purchased from the Lebanese Ministry of Interior, relating to the 2014 voter lists for the parliamentary elections, which I converted into databases that can be queried to obtain the desired data report" he didn't add
4 is Wikipmapia
5 is https://web.archive.org/web/20110707205933/http://www.baldati.com/networks/community.php?networkid=1004 - community sourced, shut down in 2017
6 https://www.asswak-alarab.com/archives/17854 by a poet, writer and journalist, dubious source
10 is a personal website "The data presented, throughout the site, is derived from hard disk files that I purchased from the Lebanese Ministry of Interior, relating to the 2014 voter lists for the parliamentary elections, which I converted into databases that can be queried to obtain the desired data report" https://lub-anan.com/%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%85%D8%AD%D8%A7%D9%81%D8%B8%D8%A7%D8%AA/%D8%AC%D8%A8%D9%84-%D9%84%D8%A8%D9%86%D8%A7%D9%86/%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%85%D8%AA%D9%86-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B4%D9%85%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%8A/%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%85%D9%86%D8%B5%D9%88%D8%B1%D9%8A%D8%A9/%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B9%D8%A7%D8%A6%D9%84%D8%A7%D8%AA/ is a personal website - scroll down to bottom
11 I think is self-published. https://www.yelleb.com/company/291863/edito-creps-international
12 is https://archive.org/details/olomnasb_ymail_20180116 "A glossary of family and person names and glimpses of family history
Muʻjam asmāʾ al-usar wa-al-ashkhāṣ wa-lamaḥāt min tārīkh al-ʻāʾilātThe author, Mr. Ahmed Abu SaadGenealogy LibraryO Allah, bless Muhammad and his" 13 is "Michel, Abi Fadel (2002). Lebanese Cities, Villages and Families A Bibliographic Dictionary (in Arabic) (1 ed.). Beirut: National Archives Foundation." - not sure whether the author is an rs
14 is the same and I find https://librarycatalog-bau-edu-lb.translate.goog/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=52136&_x_tr_sch=http&_x_tr_sl=ar&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=sc Publisher is https://ar-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/%D8%AF%D8%A7%D8%B1_%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B9%D9%84%D9%85_%D9%84%D9%84%D9%85%D9%84%D8%A7%D9%8A%D9%8A%D9%86?_x_tr_sl=ar&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=sc which looks more like an ad than a wikipedia article IMHO. Doug Weller talk 16:31, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
I originally asked this in Wikipedia:Teahouse:
I wish to use a Global Times article for an article on a trolleybus route in Shanghai. I'm well aware that this is a depreciated source, but this is one of the very few sources I can find in English (most others are Chinese), and if I were being honest I don't think this particular article can be harmful even if this is used, considering this is on a general topic of trolleybuses in Shanghai and not some controversial topic like politics. Also, Wikipedia:CONTEXTMATTERS, and in this case the context is pretty much alright. In this case, is it okay if I were to use this particular GT article inside my Wikipedia article?
User:Hoary replied:
WP:GLOBALTIMES points not only to a discussion deprecating GT but also responses to subsequent questions akin to "I know that GT is deprecated, but could it be used as a source for xyz?" Their responses can be summarized as "no". Are none of the sources in Chinese usable? If not, then it is indeed rather hard to imagine how a trolleybus route could be misrepresented for propaganda purposes, but the place to ask isn't here but instead WP:RSN.
Bringing this over to clear things up a bit, per his argument in the last sentence. SBS6577P ( talk) 07:04, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
This webpage was used a http://www.wildernesstherapy.org/Wilderness/ForceRestraint.htm on the wilderness therapy article. 1keyhole ( talk) 20:54, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
I've seen this website be used as a source but am wondering if it should be included seeing as how overtly partisan it is. Scu ba ( talk) 17:04, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
Out of interest, what facts are being sourced from it? Boynamedsue ( talk) 06:12, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
I have asked the question above on this talk page. Clarification on this issue will be appreciated. Yesterday, all my dreams... ( talk) 04:53, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
If Masalha wrote this on a soiled piece of toilet paper it would remain a reliable source based solely on his qualifications." Boynamedsue ( talk) 11:03, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
Yes, perhaps more context shoud be included. The subject of the article was a disabled author who lived most of her life in a specific house in Viareggio Italy. The question pertains to what non-extraordinary and someahat routie statements about her life can be included about her from the publisher who published her book. An example statement is the fact that she was evacuated during WWII to another town, others pertain to when she met certain people, etc. She arrived in Viareggio in 1924 when she was 27 and lived there for 37 more years. She died in 1961. She wrote an autobiography that concluded in 1942 when she was about 47 years old.
The key sources for her life are all publshed by the publisher of her main book. The sources are:
One question is: Can the very existence of these books be mentioned in the article? There has been the suggestion that they can not even be mentioned, because they have the same publisher has her main book. These and her autobiography were not self published books because there in no evidence that the authors paid for the publication. They have a distinct publisher.
The petty little issue that has given rise to the question here is the statement: "Most of Maria Valtorta's life is known only by the autobiograpy". The existence of books that cover the last 37 years of her life indicates that this is not the case. The length of these books exceeds her autobiography by 3-4 times. Would it be correct to say:
I am sorry to be taking time here with this question, but this seems like the appropriare venue for the question. Thank you. Yesterday, all my dreams... ( talk) 12:14, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
The Philippine News Agency (PNA) offers local news sources that can be reliable like Rappler. Other news sources that are copied from Associated Press, Agence France-Presse, TASS, and PR Newswire.
WP:CONTEXTMATTERS also involved by comparing with local news ( https://www.pna.gov.ph/articles/1202018) and ( https://www.pna.gov.ph/articles/1201938) foreign news sources. 112.204.206.165 ( talk) 23:02, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
This website was added as a reference in the Italian War of 1542–1546 article.
Previous comments concerning this site indicate it is not reliable.
Thoughts? -- Kansas Bear ( talk) 16:28, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
NPR
released a piece yesterday about an independent report that found, among other things that former U.S. Agency for Global Media CEO Michael Pack [v]iolated the independence of journalists working for newsrooms at the Voice of America and other international broadcasting networks funded by the government
. Pack was appointed June 2020 and
resigned January 20, 2021. As an extremely informal discussion: should extra caution be used for these sources during that time period?
Rotideypoc41352 (
talk ·
contribs) 04:31, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
concerns regarding its neutrality and editorial independence from the U.S. governmentcovers incidents such as the one I mentioned. Thanks again, Rotideypoc41352 ( talk · contribs) 16:30, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
I see that fmg.ac is is currently used about 123 times on English Wikipedia, and is frequently invoked in genealogies and biographies. Although anyone can join this website and submit material (
WP:USERGENERATED?),
https://fmg.ac/about-us does say All submissions are subject to expert review as a form of quality control.
Still, I've got concerns about its reliability, especially the genealogy at
https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/RUSSIA,%20Rurik.htm. The most frequent way this particular web page is invoked on English Wikipedia is to support the claim that this or that person was "a member of the Rurik dynasty".
The "Rurik" genealogy is quite impressive, and does have 1190 citations to what sometimes seem to be reliable sources. But the main two sources are Baumgarten 1927 and 1934 ( WP:AGEMATTERS), who based himself on WP:PRIMARY sources:
Although I must say that their introduction has great caveats, I'm not sure if this either supports or undermines the reliability of the genealogy in general:
Especially that last sentence worries me, because there are serious scholarly disputes about whether Rurik, the supposed "founder"/"progenitor" of the so-called Rurikid family (fmg.ac's own words, not mine), even existed or has been made up, so that the whole term "Rurikids" may be a misnomer (see Ostrowski, Donald (2018). "Was There a Riurikid Dynasty in Early Rus'?". Canadian-American Slavic Studies. 52 (1): 30–49. doi: 10.1163/22102396-05201009.). So if especially the early period may be of little factual significance at all, but has just been interest[ing to reproduce] for whatever user(s) made this genealogy ( WP:USERGENERATED?!), I think this is pretty damning for its reliability. Especially because in practice this web page is invoked on English Wikipedia to claim that this or that person descended from another person who may never have existed in the first place, which fmg.ac readily admits, but just reproduces anyway because it's interesting ( WP:IJUSTLIKEIT?).
I'm not sure if this problem extends to the entire website, but unless I've overlooked something, at least this page is one we should probably 'blacklist' (or something) as an unreliable source. Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw ( talk) 16:04, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
Self-published expert sources may be considered reliable when produced by an established subject-matter expert, whose work in the relevant field has previously been published by reliable, independent publications.ActivelyDisinterested already indicated that Charles Cawley "is a retired corporate lawyer who now devotes himself full time to historical research". That doesn't seem to be a "relevant field".
This template allows a breathing space for editors to come up with reliable sources for the same information, and yet over a decade later we are still using the source. That's not breathing space, for a decade the template has {{ Self-published inline}} and {{ Better source needed}} tags as part of the cite. It's way beyond time these references were removed. -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested ∆ transmissions∆ ° co-ords° 12:34, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 400 | ← | Archive 403 | Archive 404 | Archive 405 | Archive 406 | Archive 407 | → | Archive 410 |
For most content, the NYPost is clearly unreliable, as the community decided in
Wikipedia:NYPOST. However, for transit (coverage by
Nolan Hicks) and real estate, it is generally reliable, and covers stories that the Daily News, New York Times, and other local media do not cover, such as a series on waste at the LIRR that warranted
a response by the MTA, which operates the LIRR. While
multiple
stories from other
outlets cover the proposed service increases on the subway, only
the Post story mentions what makes the service increase possible, A person familiar with the plan added that the MTA is also seeking to increase the speed at which trains can travel through work zones — which commonly disrupt weekend service — by 5 mph in order to fit the new schedule. Trains currently crawl underground at speeds of fewer than 10 mph.
. I had heard talk of this for months before. I realize that this likely will not happen, but I would recommend that we create a possible exception to
Wikipedia:NYPOST for the transit and real estate newsdesks.
Kew Gardens 613 (
talk) 00:08, 5 May 2023 (UTC)f
I am willing to concour on this subject. The Post is generally acceptable in 2 fields, NY Sports and NY Transit. Their other articles have issues but they tend to have a good transit desk and are a reliable source. Ask me about air Cryogenic air ( talk) 02:08, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
I supported a carve-out for sports above, but I'm wary here. When I saw the headlines of the first two stories linked above, along with a "NY Post investigation" it was easy to predict they were going to blame unions or one of the democratic politicians. When the Post reports on basic real estate information (the third link), I don't see an issue, but when it's original instigative reporting about city processes, I do think there's still reason to be wary of the influence of its politics. Maybe unions are to blame, along with those pesky democrats always giving in to union demands, but if all that is true I'd expect someone else to at least report on the Post's findings. That a good general rule for unreliable sources: wait for someone else to pick it up. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 03:23, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
other outlets did" Use those. "
confirmed by an MTA press release" Even better, cite that.-- Jayron 32 12:31, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
A person familiar with the plan added that the MTA is also seeking to increase the speed at which trains can travel through work zones — which commonly disrupt weekend service — by 5 mph in order to fit the new schedule. Trains currently crawl underground at speeds of fewer than 10 mph.., which is what sparked this. Kew Gardens 613 ( talk) 12:34, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
shownby who? - David Gerard ( talk) 14:16, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
It's a bit of an off-topic, but speaking of the NYPost I'm amazed that after being the only newspaper to report on a major story in the run-up to the US presidential elections, whereas all our green sources mostly just ignored it, and everyone is like nothing to see here, we're moving along to the next hot topic.
Major station closings, construction work, announcements would be published elsewhere- Maybe, and if they're not, I don't see any reason not to cite the Post for those.
Minor or temporary station closings, construction work, announcements don't seem to fit in an encyclopedia.Whether it's due weight is a separate consideration. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 21:47, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
makes the service increase possible; likewise, the one other thing you cite from them is manifestly highly controversial. RSP isn't absolute and you can always make an argument for an individual exception on the pages of specific articles, especially for something that is unexceptional and uncontroversial, but this would make a terrible argument for an exception and is a terrible argument for a carve-out. Beyond that, you haven't actually presented any argument for why you think this source is unusually reliable for transit- or real-estate related news; you've just indicated that you really really want to cite them because you can't find other sources for the things you want to add. The lack of other sources makes it more important to be careful, not less, because it means that glorified press releases or tabloid flack posted on those topics could come to define our entire coverage of those topics unopposed. Wikipedia can't cover everything; sometimes there's just not enough WP:RS coverage available. In that case the safe thing to do is to say nothing. -- Aquillion ( talk) 06:49, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
In February I removed a section from this on families as it had an unreferenced template and as well as having no references I believe it included trivia and at least one BLP issue about two brothers who were said to be alive. I also felt the tone wasn't encyclopedic. Recently a new editor, User:Naxh who clearly knows a lot about the town reverted me twice. They've now added some sources although they say that only the physical books accurately reflect the text. We had a big of a dingdong but I hope that's sorted. However, I'm still concerned about the sources and would like some uninvolved editors to comment - I'm notifying the editor so they can respond. The original text was added by three separate accounts in 2009 and I'm guessing they were probably locals. Here's my comments about the sources. I used Google translate.
2 https://www.annahar.com/arabic/section/83-%D8%B3%D9%8A%D8%A7%D8%AD%D8%A9-%D9%88%D8%B3%D9%81%D8%B1/02022021064848965 - not sure what it is.
3 is a political article https://www.ssnp.info/?article=98047 "The Syrian National Social Information Network is not responsible for the text and its content, and it only expresses the point of view of its author" clearly not an RS
10 is a personal website "The data presented, throughout the site, is derived from hard disk files that I purchased from the Lebanese Ministry of Interior, relating to the 2014 voter lists for the parliamentary elections, which I converted into databases that can be queried to obtain the desired data report" he didn't add
4 is Wikipmapia
5 is https://web.archive.org/web/20110707205933/http://www.baldati.com/networks/community.php?networkid=1004 - community sourced, shut down in 2017
6 https://www.asswak-alarab.com/archives/17854 by a poet, writer and journalist, dubious source
10 is a personal website "The data presented, throughout the site, is derived from hard disk files that I purchased from the Lebanese Ministry of Interior, relating to the 2014 voter lists for the parliamentary elections, which I converted into databases that can be queried to obtain the desired data report" https://lub-anan.com/%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%85%D8%AD%D8%A7%D9%81%D8%B8%D8%A7%D8%AA/%D8%AC%D8%A8%D9%84-%D9%84%D8%A8%D9%86%D8%A7%D9%86/%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%85%D8%AA%D9%86-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B4%D9%85%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%8A/%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%85%D9%86%D8%B5%D9%88%D8%B1%D9%8A%D8%A9/%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B9%D8%A7%D8%A6%D9%84%D8%A7%D8%AA/ is a personal website - scroll down to bottom
11 I think is self-published. https://www.yelleb.com/company/291863/edito-creps-international
12 is https://archive.org/details/olomnasb_ymail_20180116 "A glossary of family and person names and glimpses of family history
Muʻjam asmāʾ al-usar wa-al-ashkhāṣ wa-lamaḥāt min tārīkh al-ʻāʾilātThe author, Mr. Ahmed Abu SaadGenealogy LibraryO Allah, bless Muhammad and his" 13 is "Michel, Abi Fadel (2002). Lebanese Cities, Villages and Families A Bibliographic Dictionary (in Arabic) (1 ed.). Beirut: National Archives Foundation." - not sure whether the author is an rs
14 is the same and I find https://librarycatalog-bau-edu-lb.translate.goog/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=52136&_x_tr_sch=http&_x_tr_sl=ar&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=sc Publisher is https://ar-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/%D8%AF%D8%A7%D8%B1_%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B9%D9%84%D9%85_%D9%84%D9%84%D9%85%D9%84%D8%A7%D9%8A%D9%8A%D9%86?_x_tr_sl=ar&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=sc which looks more like an ad than a wikipedia article IMHO. Doug Weller talk 16:31, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
I originally asked this in Wikipedia:Teahouse:
I wish to use a Global Times article for an article on a trolleybus route in Shanghai. I'm well aware that this is a depreciated source, but this is one of the very few sources I can find in English (most others are Chinese), and if I were being honest I don't think this particular article can be harmful even if this is used, considering this is on a general topic of trolleybuses in Shanghai and not some controversial topic like politics. Also, Wikipedia:CONTEXTMATTERS, and in this case the context is pretty much alright. In this case, is it okay if I were to use this particular GT article inside my Wikipedia article?
User:Hoary replied:
WP:GLOBALTIMES points not only to a discussion deprecating GT but also responses to subsequent questions akin to "I know that GT is deprecated, but could it be used as a source for xyz?" Their responses can be summarized as "no". Are none of the sources in Chinese usable? If not, then it is indeed rather hard to imagine how a trolleybus route could be misrepresented for propaganda purposes, but the place to ask isn't here but instead WP:RSN.
Bringing this over to clear things up a bit, per his argument in the last sentence. SBS6577P ( talk) 07:04, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
This webpage was used a http://www.wildernesstherapy.org/Wilderness/ForceRestraint.htm on the wilderness therapy article. 1keyhole ( talk) 20:54, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
I've seen this website be used as a source but am wondering if it should be included seeing as how overtly partisan it is. Scu ba ( talk) 17:04, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
Out of interest, what facts are being sourced from it? Boynamedsue ( talk) 06:12, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
I have asked the question above on this talk page. Clarification on this issue will be appreciated. Yesterday, all my dreams... ( talk) 04:53, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
If Masalha wrote this on a soiled piece of toilet paper it would remain a reliable source based solely on his qualifications." Boynamedsue ( talk) 11:03, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
Yes, perhaps more context shoud be included. The subject of the article was a disabled author who lived most of her life in a specific house in Viareggio Italy. The question pertains to what non-extraordinary and someahat routie statements about her life can be included about her from the publisher who published her book. An example statement is the fact that she was evacuated during WWII to another town, others pertain to when she met certain people, etc. She arrived in Viareggio in 1924 when she was 27 and lived there for 37 more years. She died in 1961. She wrote an autobiography that concluded in 1942 when she was about 47 years old.
The key sources for her life are all publshed by the publisher of her main book. The sources are:
One question is: Can the very existence of these books be mentioned in the article? There has been the suggestion that they can not even be mentioned, because they have the same publisher has her main book. These and her autobiography were not self published books because there in no evidence that the authors paid for the publication. They have a distinct publisher.
The petty little issue that has given rise to the question here is the statement: "Most of Maria Valtorta's life is known only by the autobiograpy". The existence of books that cover the last 37 years of her life indicates that this is not the case. The length of these books exceeds her autobiography by 3-4 times. Would it be correct to say:
I am sorry to be taking time here with this question, but this seems like the appropriare venue for the question. Thank you. Yesterday, all my dreams... ( talk) 12:14, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
The Philippine News Agency (PNA) offers local news sources that can be reliable like Rappler. Other news sources that are copied from Associated Press, Agence France-Presse, TASS, and PR Newswire.
WP:CONTEXTMATTERS also involved by comparing with local news ( https://www.pna.gov.ph/articles/1202018) and ( https://www.pna.gov.ph/articles/1201938) foreign news sources. 112.204.206.165 ( talk) 23:02, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
This website was added as a reference in the Italian War of 1542–1546 article.
Previous comments concerning this site indicate it is not reliable.
Thoughts? -- Kansas Bear ( talk) 16:28, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
NPR
released a piece yesterday about an independent report that found, among other things that former U.S. Agency for Global Media CEO Michael Pack [v]iolated the independence of journalists working for newsrooms at the Voice of America and other international broadcasting networks funded by the government
. Pack was appointed June 2020 and
resigned January 20, 2021. As an extremely informal discussion: should extra caution be used for these sources during that time period?
Rotideypoc41352 (
talk ·
contribs) 04:31, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
concerns regarding its neutrality and editorial independence from the U.S. governmentcovers incidents such as the one I mentioned. Thanks again, Rotideypoc41352 ( talk · contribs) 16:30, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
I see that fmg.ac is is currently used about 123 times on English Wikipedia, and is frequently invoked in genealogies and biographies. Although anyone can join this website and submit material (
WP:USERGENERATED?),
https://fmg.ac/about-us does say All submissions are subject to expert review as a form of quality control.
Still, I've got concerns about its reliability, especially the genealogy at
https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/RUSSIA,%20Rurik.htm. The most frequent way this particular web page is invoked on English Wikipedia is to support the claim that this or that person was "a member of the Rurik dynasty".
The "Rurik" genealogy is quite impressive, and does have 1190 citations to what sometimes seem to be reliable sources. But the main two sources are Baumgarten 1927 and 1934 ( WP:AGEMATTERS), who based himself on WP:PRIMARY sources:
Although I must say that their introduction has great caveats, I'm not sure if this either supports or undermines the reliability of the genealogy in general:
Especially that last sentence worries me, because there are serious scholarly disputes about whether Rurik, the supposed "founder"/"progenitor" of the so-called Rurikid family (fmg.ac's own words, not mine), even existed or has been made up, so that the whole term "Rurikids" may be a misnomer (see Ostrowski, Donald (2018). "Was There a Riurikid Dynasty in Early Rus'?". Canadian-American Slavic Studies. 52 (1): 30–49. doi: 10.1163/22102396-05201009.). So if especially the early period may be of little factual significance at all, but has just been interest[ing to reproduce] for whatever user(s) made this genealogy ( WP:USERGENERATED?!), I think this is pretty damning for its reliability. Especially because in practice this web page is invoked on English Wikipedia to claim that this or that person descended from another person who may never have existed in the first place, which fmg.ac readily admits, but just reproduces anyway because it's interesting ( WP:IJUSTLIKEIT?).
I'm not sure if this problem extends to the entire website, but unless I've overlooked something, at least this page is one we should probably 'blacklist' (or something) as an unreliable source. Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw ( talk) 16:04, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
Self-published expert sources may be considered reliable when produced by an established subject-matter expert, whose work in the relevant field has previously been published by reliable, independent publications.ActivelyDisinterested already indicated that Charles Cawley "is a retired corporate lawyer who now devotes himself full time to historical research". That doesn't seem to be a "relevant field".
This template allows a breathing space for editors to come up with reliable sources for the same information, and yet over a decade later we are still using the source. That's not breathing space, for a decade the template has {{ Self-published inline}} and {{ Better source needed}} tags as part of the cite. It's way beyond time these references were removed. -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested ∆ transmissions∆ ° co-ords° 12:34, 25 May 2023 (UTC)