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is Odin a celestial deity (uranian god)? if no, what type of god is he?-- 93.61.55.121 ( talk) 10:12, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
The caption at All Saints' Church, Godshill says "Painting of Godshill Church, circa 1910", but it doesn't look like a painting to me. It looks more like a hand-tinted b&w photo, but I'm not sure. Anyone who knows technically what this is, please go ahead and change the caption. Thanks. Mypix ( talk) 20:15, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
But if you acknowledge that a reproduction can represent the object, then you have to acknowledge that it's not so simple. Is a lithography reproduction of a photo (or painting) sufficiently accurate that it can be fairly considered the original item? I'm not saying it is, but you can't simply dismiss it as not being the case because it's a reproduction which is what your initial comment seem to do. If you do that, then you will also have to do the same for the digital photo of the painting.
(Note that this isn't a completely abstract point. Sometimes, the only copy we may have of a photo may be of a scan from some book or magazine or whatever. Now the photo in the book or magazine or whatever may not necessarily have been made via lithography, but the question remains, do we always have to go into detail in the simple caption in an article? I strongly suspect you'll find the answer is no. We often simply describe them as photos, especially if the quality is sufficiently high e.g. with descreening etc. The image details should of course generally provide all known info on how the file was produced. Again I'm not saying this necessarily applies to lithographic reproductions, simply that it's not as simple as your original comment suggested.)
As for 87's point, you could go to that level, but IMO that's excessively getting into semantics at a level which is confusing given this discussion. It's reasonable to say that the file is the digital photo since we have no clear definition of what a digital photo is. Notably, I can image situations where my might want to specify it's a digital photo of the painting, but I think it's very rare you're going to want to specify it's a file especially when simply viewing it on a page. The computer screen image thing is more reasonable, however the pixilated thing seems unnecessary. Most forms of digital photography uses pixels, it's extremely rare to have digital photography without pixels.
Maybe more to the point, I could print out this page. It will now be a printout of a digital photo. It will not be on a computer screen. I mean obviously some people could have viewed it on a computer screen but it's theoretically possible someone viewing it never saw it on a computer screen. In other words, there's no requirement that the digital photo is viewed on a computer screen even if we expand the term widely to include TVs, smart phones etc, we have no way to know for certain how it is viewed. (And what happens when the AIs take over?) By comparison, it IMO always seems fair to call it a digital photo. I would add that we can see here how the file gets very abstracted from what we are viewing.
(Likewise the transmission. Even more so if for example I downloaded this page to a USB disk, as while technically the USB disk is still a form of electronic transmission, and electronic transmission is also going on in the computer the USB disk is plugged in to even if it's in a room completely cut off from the outside world and electronic transmission also happens to the printer, I'm not sure whether this is what most people are going to think of when you refer to electronic transmission.)
Nil Einne ( talk) 14:57, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
All right, the caption has been changed. 194.174.76.21 ( talk) 15:14, 18 June 2018 (UTC) Marco Pagliero Berlin
On wikipedia's LGBT rights in Botswana page it says transgender rights were legalized last year. I would like to know where people in Botswana can go to a gender clinic and get their surgery done? I'm just curious as a lgbt activist. Sphinxmystery ( talk) 23:04, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
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is Odin a celestial deity (uranian god)? if no, what type of god is he?-- 93.61.55.121 ( talk) 10:12, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
The caption at All Saints' Church, Godshill says "Painting of Godshill Church, circa 1910", but it doesn't look like a painting to me. It looks more like a hand-tinted b&w photo, but I'm not sure. Anyone who knows technically what this is, please go ahead and change the caption. Thanks. Mypix ( talk) 20:15, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
But if you acknowledge that a reproduction can represent the object, then you have to acknowledge that it's not so simple. Is a lithography reproduction of a photo (or painting) sufficiently accurate that it can be fairly considered the original item? I'm not saying it is, but you can't simply dismiss it as not being the case because it's a reproduction which is what your initial comment seem to do. If you do that, then you will also have to do the same for the digital photo of the painting.
(Note that this isn't a completely abstract point. Sometimes, the only copy we may have of a photo may be of a scan from some book or magazine or whatever. Now the photo in the book or magazine or whatever may not necessarily have been made via lithography, but the question remains, do we always have to go into detail in the simple caption in an article? I strongly suspect you'll find the answer is no. We often simply describe them as photos, especially if the quality is sufficiently high e.g. with descreening etc. The image details should of course generally provide all known info on how the file was produced. Again I'm not saying this necessarily applies to lithographic reproductions, simply that it's not as simple as your original comment suggested.)
As for 87's point, you could go to that level, but IMO that's excessively getting into semantics at a level which is confusing given this discussion. It's reasonable to say that the file is the digital photo since we have no clear definition of what a digital photo is. Notably, I can image situations where my might want to specify it's a digital photo of the painting, but I think it's very rare you're going to want to specify it's a file especially when simply viewing it on a page. The computer screen image thing is more reasonable, however the pixilated thing seems unnecessary. Most forms of digital photography uses pixels, it's extremely rare to have digital photography without pixels.
Maybe more to the point, I could print out this page. It will now be a printout of a digital photo. It will not be on a computer screen. I mean obviously some people could have viewed it on a computer screen but it's theoretically possible someone viewing it never saw it on a computer screen. In other words, there's no requirement that the digital photo is viewed on a computer screen even if we expand the term widely to include TVs, smart phones etc, we have no way to know for certain how it is viewed. (And what happens when the AIs take over?) By comparison, it IMO always seems fair to call it a digital photo. I would add that we can see here how the file gets very abstracted from what we are viewing.
(Likewise the transmission. Even more so if for example I downloaded this page to a USB disk, as while technically the USB disk is still a form of electronic transmission, and electronic transmission is also going on in the computer the USB disk is plugged in to even if it's in a room completely cut off from the outside world and electronic transmission also happens to the printer, I'm not sure whether this is what most people are going to think of when you refer to electronic transmission.)
Nil Einne ( talk) 14:57, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
All right, the caption has been changed. 194.174.76.21 ( talk) 15:14, 18 June 2018 (UTC) Marco Pagliero Berlin
On wikipedia's LGBT rights in Botswana page it says transgender rights were legalized last year. I would like to know where people in Botswana can go to a gender clinic and get their surgery done? I'm just curious as a lgbt activist. Sphinxmystery ( talk) 23:04, 17 June 2018 (UTC)