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C==

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2017 January 8#C==

@POTUS

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2017 January 8#@POTUS

First Gentleman of the United States

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The result of the discussion was retarget to List of first gentlemen in the United States. -- Tavix ( talk) 20:15, 4 January 2017 (UTC) reply

The term is not explained in the current target, however there is a short explanation at List of first gentlemen in the United States, so not sure if it is appropriate to retarget there or explain the term at the current target. - CHAMPION ( talk) ( contributions) ( logs) 22:14, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

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President of Australia

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The result of the discussion was Kept. There is no presidency in Australia, and this is the appropriate target that covers or points to related matters. Any other direction is supposition or interpretation. There is nothing to disambiguate. — billinghurst sDrewth 02:29, 8 January 2017 (UTC) reply


This has previously targeted Prime Minister of Australia but not sure if it should be targeted to Monarchy of Australia, for I'm not sure which is the closest, for President of the United States is a head of state and government combined, if it gets too complicated, I'd just suggest deleting it, but I'm not too convinced to take that path at this stage. - CHAMPION ( talk) ( contributions) ( logs) 22:08, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

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2022 in association football

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The result of the discussion was Deleted as inappropriate as it will never be a redirect, and protected to 1-1-2020. Labelled as too soon, and pointed to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football if started prior to expiry of protection — billinghurst sDrewth 02:38, 8 January 2017 (UTC) reply

Delete as WP:TOOSOON. There will be other events that will occur in association football in 2022 besides the World Cup, so the current target is too narrow. -- Tavix ( talk) 21:39, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. -- BDD ( talk) 22:20, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

Undo last 2 editions. This redirect makes no sense at all, the page should be a list of upcoming sports events. And keep the page. Regards, -- Fadesga ( talk) 13:47, 25 December 2016 (UTC) reply

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Lock Her Up

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The result of the discussion was WP:SNOWCLOSE and withdraw as nominator. I am going to make a WP:BOLD retarget to Political positions of Donald Trump#Lock Her Up, tagging the redirect accordingly with {{ R to anchor}}, given the lack of objection to the proposal I made two days ago. ( non-admin closure) -- Nevé – selbert 18:13, 6 January 2017 (UTC) reply

I created this redirect last week, since I was surprised it didn't land a target. A popular Trump mantra, I personally think it should be retargeted rather than deleted. -- Nevé – selbert 20:50, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

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Paeaebo

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ( talk) 19:44, 4 January 2017 (UTC) reply

(eubot) Delete both, WP:RFD#D8, I can't find any use for this form in sources (Google verbatim search): there are some uses in name-lookup search results, but not in running text. (Swedish name.) Si Trew ( talk) 18:43, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

Searching a little harder, I did find one use, but I'm not convinced that's not just another transcription "choice" as it's in a Vietnamese (English-language) newsfeed, I know where not from originally. Si Trew ( talk) 03:37, 25 December 2016 (UTC) reply
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必应

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ( talk) 19:44, 4 January 2017 (UTC) reply

No relationship with Chinese language. SST flyer 15:52, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

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Moengke Khan

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The result of the discussion was Keep. Thryduulf ( talk) 14:26, 7 January 2017 (UTC) reply

(Eubot) Mongolian, not Germanic. - CHAMPION ( talk) ( contributions) ( logs) 06:51, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

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Tuerkmenbasy, Turkmenistan

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ( talk) 19:44, 4 January 2017 (UTC) reply

(eubot) WP:RFD#D8, not Germanic but Turkmen (who'da thought it). According to the DAB at Türkmenbaşy, the anglicised spelling is " Turkmenbashi" (and we don't actually have Tuerkmenbasy). Si Trew ( talk) 05:27, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

I never suggested otherwise. Incidentally, if Eubot has created a redirect of this form, there will always also be a redirect of the simpler "straight-u" (or "straight-o" form: either also created by Eubot, or already existing when Eubot was run. Si Trew ( talk) 16:04, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply
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Guemueshacikoey

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ( talk) 19:44, 4 January 2017 (UTC) reply

(Eubot) WP:RFD#D8, not Germanic but Turkish. Si Trew ( talk) 05:21, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

  • Delete, not a valid transcription/anglicization, just the usual eubot nonsense. AddWittyNameHere ( talk) 23:02, 3 January 2017 (UTC) reply
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Goe Lotsawa

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The result of the discussion was Withdrawn by nominator (me). ( non-admin closure) — Preceding unsigned comment added by SimonTrew ( talk • contribs)

(eubot) Delete as WP:RFD#D8, not Germanic but Tibetan. Si Trew ( talk) 05:16, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

  • Keep there are lots of google hits that demonstrate that this spelling is used, including in sources that mix Chinese and Latin script. Thryduulf ( talk) 12:24, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply
You're right. A correct destination by the wrong route: I've tagged as {{ R from other name}}. Withdrawn. Si Trew ( talk) 16:08, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply
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Punainen jaettilaeinen

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ( talk) 19:44, 4 January 2017 (UTC) reply

(eubot) Another rather odd Finnish one, with the "aei" transliteration. Si Trew ( talk) 05:12, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

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Bakonyszuecs

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ( talk) 19:44, 4 January 2017 (UTC) reply

(Eubot) WP:RFD#D8, Delete both. Not Germanic but Hungarian. Si Trew ( talk) 05:05, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

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Gueejar Sierra

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ( talk) 19:44, 4 January 2017 (UTC) reply

(Eubot) WP:RFD#D8 Not Germanic, Spanish. Si Trew ( talk) 05:01, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

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Goermeli

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ( talk) 19:44, 4 January 2017 (UTC) reply

(eubot) WP:RFD#D8, not Germanic, Turkish. Si Trew ( talk) 04:58, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

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Porin jaeaehalli

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ( talk) 19:44, 4 January 2017 (UTC) reply

(eubot) Finnish. The question, as for immediately below, is whether Finnish "ää" can reasonably be transliterated "aeae". I don't think so, thus WP:RFD#D8 Delete. According to Finnish orthography#Alphabet, the "ää" is already the "spelling" of the "glyph" "ä", but I am not really sure what that means. Si Trew ( talk) 04:43, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

  • Delete, as ä and ae are indeed not equivalent in Finnish, and as such not reasonable transliterations. Spelling in that table is the spelling of the name of the glyph, which does not appear relevant here. More relevant is this, in the section below the table: "The Germanic umlaut or convention of considering digraph ae equivalent to ä, and oe equivalent to ö is inapplicable in Finnish. Moreover, in Finnish, both ae and oe are vowel sequences, not single letters, and they have independent meanings" AddWittyNameHere ( talk) 15:45, 4 January 2017 (UTC) reply
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Pentti Haanpaeae

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ( talk) 19:44, 4 January 2017 (UTC) reply

(eubot) WP:RFD#D8. This is Finnish, so not strictly Germanic; but I'm not sure if even the Swedish-speaking population of Finland would transliterate it in this way. Weak delete. Si Trew ( talk) 04:41, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

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AEthelric II

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The result of the discussion was keep. -- Tavix ( talk) 20:13, 4 January 2017 (UTC) reply

(eubot) I've been wondering about ones with the "Æ" -> "AE" here (and similar for "OE"). While they are pretty harmless, the usual way to transliterate would be to write Aethelric II, which we do in fact have. So this is at best useless, but also is really a {{ R from misspelling}} I should say, and I don't really see any great need to maintain it in perpetuum when it has had 1 hit in 90 days (excluding its listing) and there are no internal links. I can't find any capitalisation like this in the first five pages of my verbatim (hah!) Google results. Weak delete. Si Trew ( talk) 04:33, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

But hardly anyone seems actually to type it this way – or at least if they do, they don't arrive at the target via calling up this redirect (i.e. some other part of their search, on or off Wikipedia, circumnavigates the R). So I am a little (not very) suspicious of page stats because they probably under-represent (slightly) the usefulness of Rs. If the WP search dropdown (for example) displays the R as a suggestion, that search doesn't get recorded as a hit/match to the R when its target is then selected by the user; similarly the main "search results" page is populated partly from matches to redirects but won't record a hit on the redirect, and I can imagine (I can't know, of course) that search engines such as Google have special cases for Wikipedia that understand Wikipedia redirects and essentially do the redirection to the target themselves. So the usefulness of these "incorrect" Rs is hard to pin down by the Wikipedia page stats alone. And I believe the search dropdown's algorithm for picking a redirect to populate the dropdown/search results is deliberately opaque, anyway, in that there's no guarantee which it will choose; for one thing, were it not so, editors could attempt to "game the system" by introducing Rs that were considered better matches (i.e. attempt to "enhance" the search results).
The fact is, no sources seem to spell it in this form, and even if one or two did we have WP:RFD#D2 implying we should not rely on the presence of a particular utterance in a single source. More plausible is that they'll type "Aethelric II" or "aethelric II", either of which would get them where they wanted to go anyway. (We don't have Athelric II or Ethelric II, though.) I'll emphasise that I'm not het up on this particular R but there are many (not a vast number) like it. Si Trew ( talk) 05:25, 25 December 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Keep. Note that Google searches are always case insensitive (even when searching for allegedly literal strings) so it is not possible to state with certainty that a given capitalisation is never used. The only case sensitive search I know of is Google's ngram viewer. This searches only books that Google has digitised and so it is a limited coprus and includes OCR errors (e.g. cl → d), but it can be a guide. Unfortunately for this redirect the corpus includes no mentions of this person by any spelling, however the more famous Æthered is included. This ngram plot for "Aethelred" and "AEthelred" shows that both spellings are used but that "Aethelred" is very significantly more common. It is reasonable to believe that the same holds true for the person we're discussing here and that both Ae and AE forms are used but that the latter is a minority usage not readily visible in case insensitive searches. Thryduulf ( talk) 12:10, 25 December 2016 (UTC) reply
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Yoeruek Ali Efe

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ( talk) 19:44, 4 January 2017 (UTC) reply

(eubot) Not Germanic, Turkish. WP:RFD#D8 Delete. Si Trew ( talk) 04:30, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

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Sarkoez

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ( talk) 15:41, 4 January 2017 (UTC) reply

(eubot) WP:RFD#D8, not Germanic but Hungarian. Nicholas Sarkoezy doesn't spell his name like that (yes, it's a Hungarian name). Si Trew ( talk) 04:10, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

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Guecluekonak

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ( talk) 15:38, 4 January 2017 (UTC) reply

(eubot) WP:RFD#D8, not Germanic but Turkish. Si Trew ( talk) 04:07, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

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Trueebsee

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ( talk) 15:35, 4 January 2017 (UTC) reply

(eubot) Delete as WP:RFD#D8. Back-formed from Trüebsee, which I'll mark as {{ R from misspelling}}. Si Truebsee ( talk) 04:03, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

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Michelle-O

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The result of the discussion was keep. -- Tavix ( talk) 15:36, 4 January 2017 (UTC) reply

No evidence that this is a common or unambiguous name. - CHAMPION ( talk) ( contributions) ( logs) 04:02, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

The policy is WP:RFD#D8, "novel or obscure synonym". Si Trew ( talk) 19:47, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply
That is policy, but, given Patar knight's evidence that this synonym is neither novel nor obscure, it is not relevant to this discussion any more than WP:RFD#D6, "cross-namespace redirect out of article space" is. Thryduulf ( talk) 12:13, 25 December 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Keep per Patar knight. SST flyer 07:18, 25 December 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Keep per Patar knight. Thryduulf ( talk) 12:13, 25 December 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Comment - I've seen the First Lady referred to as "Michelle O" sometimes, but I don't recall seeing a hyphen introduced into things anywhere. CoffeeWithMarkets ( talk) 07:22, 4 January 2017 (UTC) reply
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Ovoerkhangai

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ( talk) 15:33, 4 January 2017 (UTC) reply

(eubot) Delete all as WP:RFD#D8, not a Germanic umlaut but a transliteration of Mongolian. These were all created from existing redirects. I've looked at this target before, but none of these has been proposed at RfD before. All are on User:Champion's Eubot lists in various places, except Ovoerhangay province for some reason (I mention that only because I don't know why it would be missed off the list). Si Trew ( talk) 03:49, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

  • @ SimonTrew: The reason that one was not on my lists was that it has been subsequently edited by Eubot, I was only able to make the lists of the ones that have only one edit. - CHAMPION ( talk) ( contributions) ( logs) 04:03, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply
Ah, I checked the history but I missed that. No worries. Si Trew ( talk) 04:12, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. White a few of these do get quite a substantial number of hits on Google these almost all seem to originate from Wikipedia directly or indirectly and I'm not seeing any actual human uses. Thryduulf ( talk) 12:29, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply
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Nesim Ozguer

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ( talk) 15:33, 4 January 2017 (UTC) reply

(eubot) Not Germanic, Turkish (and Bulgarian, where his name is Nesim Neshadov, so it still makes no sense). WP:RFD#D8. Si Trew ( talk) 03:46, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

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Fuezerkajata

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ( talk) 15:31, 4 January 2017 (UTC) reply

(eubot). Not Germanic, Hungarian. WP:RFD#D8 Delete. Si Trew ( talk) 03:38, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

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Andras Gyuerk

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ( talk) 15:30, 4 January 2017 (UTC) reply

Delete, WP:RFD#D8, not a Germanic umlaut but Hungarian. Eubot created it, the stupid gyuerk. Si Trew ( talk) 03:35, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

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BD +20deg307

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C±

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ( talk) 15:28, 4 January 2017 (UTC) reply

Delete as WP:RFD#D2 confusing, no mention at target. I can't find any sources for these on a verbatim search (just results for "C"); ten hits between them in ninety days, but I wouldn't be surprised if those who hit were WP:SURPRISEd. Si Trew ( talk) 03:08, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

  • Weak delete. Google ignores the ± character when searching (unless it's the only character in the search strong). The only alternative search engine I've been able to find that doesn't do this is SymbolHound. Unfortunately that engine has a limited corpus of indexed sites that is very heavily skewed towards sites that deal with programming languages (it was created to make searching for strings like "&&" and "==" in code examples possible), so it is not possible to use this for general purpose searches, and it didn't return anything useful on this occasion. I was able to find, using the string "C plus or minus" on google that "C± is a strongly typed scripting language with C-like syntax for serverside platforms." [5] (whatever that means) however I didn't find anything that would be enough to have coverage of this anywhere on Wikipedia. Thryduulf ( talk) 13:24, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Delete as per the above CoffeeWithMarkets ( talk) 10:39, 26 December 2016 (UTC) reply
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C/c++

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2017 January 8#C/c++

Elena Nikolaeva (journalist)

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The result of the discussion was move. ( non-admin closure) There is consensus that if the target article is to be kept at its present title, the redirect is appropriate. However, there is also consensus that Elena Nikolaeva should be moved over the redirect at Elena Nikolaeva (journalist), and that Elena Nikolaeva (disambiguation) should be moved to the base title. This is very unlikely to receive objections, so a formal WP:RM is not needed. I'm going ahead and requesting the moves at WP:RMT. – Uanfala (talk) 13:08, 8 January 2017 (UTC) reply

Totally unnecessary redirect from a dab when there is a page without the dab already in existence. Onel5969 TT me 02:37, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

  • Did not see Yelena Nikolayeva when I declined the speedy. Assuming that both women are best known professionally by this transliteration from their Russian names and that there's no one else notable with this name, I would keep this one as {{ R from unnecessary disambiguation}}, since the target is a journalist and there was seen as a valid page name by at least the person who merged content from Elena Nikolaeva to here.; move Yelena Nikolayeva (racewalker) to the title without the parenthetical disambiguator, and hatnote both articles to each other, This would be applying natural disambiguation. (Given information below on other notable people with this name, I would support Thryduulf's suggestion below. 17:38, 24 December 2016 (UTC)) @ Салоом алейкум:: Since you're at the nexus of these pages, feel free to comment on this RfD.---- Patar knight - chat/ contributions 02:57, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply
The point is that it's not me who prefers the current title (viz., «Elena Nikolaeva») of the article under discussion. At first I created an article under the title « Yelena Nikolayeva (journalist)», but then mademoiselle Nikolaeva asked me to change my transliteration and move the article to its present name. I guessed it would give rise to perplexity, but I renamed the article in the way señorita Nikolaeva wanted. As for me, I don't know whether the chosen title is the most appropriate for the English Wikipedia. I'm afraid the reader is now given the impression that Yelena Nikolayeva (racewalker) and Elena Nikolaeva (journalist) aren't namesakes, although these titles are due to different ways of transliteration rather than different Russian names. That's why I have created a disambiguation page. @ Patar knight: let me add a comment to your remark: «there's no one else notable with this name». It is worth stressing that the surname Nikolaev, like its female form Nikolaeva, is a very popular surname in Russia. That is also, and even more so, true of the name Yelena (Elena). Hence a great deal of notable namesakes. This page in ru-wp witnesses that there are a lot of famous Russian women whose name is Elena Nikolaeva. Does that not indicate that the dab is expedient? « Elena Nikolaeva (poetess)», « Elena Nikolaeva (politician)», « Elena Nikolaeva (actress)» - such is a far from complete list of the Russian celebrities who are namesakes of Elena Nikolaeva (journalist) and Elena Nikolaeva (racewalker). So other notable Elenas Nikolaevas do exist and it is en-wp that has't got the corresponding articles yet. It was precisely this lack that compelled me to adduce an example by means of creating a new stub here. Personally, I don't like cinema, but this stub of mine, it is to be hoped, will make it possible to realise the necessity of the dab, so helping us with our discussion. Since I'm neither an administrator nor experienced user here, I'm not so bold as to claim unreservedly that this title is better than another one. I'm simply submitting my second variant of transliteration in accordance with Fräulein Nikolaeva's wish and pointing out that the women in question are namesakes. -- Salam aleikum ( talk) 11:23, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply
Thanks, I've updated my !vote accordingly. I'll echo Thryduulf below in saying that if there are multiple people with this name who are notable, and there's no one that would clearly be the primary topic for this name, having a DAB page at the base page Elena Nikolaeva, with other transliterations redirecting to it, and then disambiguated pages for everyone else (i.e. Elena Nikolaeva (journalist), Yelena Nikolayeva (racewalker), etc.) would be best, but that's done at requested moves. ---- Patar knight - chat/ contributions 17:38, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Keep as {{ R from unnecessary disambiguation}} and {{ R from move}} based on the present situation where the target is an article about a journalist with this name. If you want to move an article to a different title (for any reason) but are unable to do so (for any reason) then you need to go to Wikipedia:Requested moves and follow the instructions there. If you want to write an article about a different person with this name, first write the article at a title that is available, add a hatnote to your article at the base title, then request moves if needed. If you think the base title should be a disambiguation, then create a dab page at Elena Nikolaeva (disambiguation) and then request it to be moved to the base title. RfD is not needed for any of this. Thryduulf ( talk) 13:39, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply
I have dwelt upon the topic of our conversation at such length that it may, perhaps, cause embarrassment. I regret that a woman's wish (viz., «Please transliterate my name and surname in English the way I prefer») has given us so much trouble. @ Thryduulf: I hope that I have done everything as you suggest. Did you mean this? And yet I don't grasp your decision that Elena Nikolaeva should not be converted into a redirection page. -- Salam aleikum ( talk) 17:24, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Comment: as has been said above, this really should be a requested move. However, it's here now, so here is what I would suggest as an end result:
    • Since there is no primary topic, the dab page should be at the base name ( Elena Nikolaeva).
Elena Nikolaeva (journalist) should be the title of the article about the journalist.
Both Elena Nikolaeva (disambiguation) and Yelena Nikolayeva (disambiguation) should redirect to Elena Nikolaeva. Different transliterations of the same name should be on the same dab page, and it seems (in my unscientific quick search) that "Elena" is more common than "Yelena".
— Gorthian ( talk) 20:29, 26 December 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Thus, we've got five different Elenas Nikolaevas. They're all notable. As for ru-wp, there are six Elenas Nikolaevas there. Who is the primary? I dare say it is nothing but apostasy a new revisionist attempt to reformulate the basic question of philosophy (WHAT is to be regarded as primary and WHAT as secondary: the spiritual or the material?) as not, allegedly, correctly posed.
    See also: Physicists or lyricists
    -- Salam aleikum ( talk) 13:59, 27 December 2016 (UTC) reply
  •  Comment: it seems that the base page "Elena Nikolayeva" should be the (one) disambiguation page (including for the variants), and each of the articles should be alternatively labelled. Please let us keep it simple. — billinghurst sDrewth 03:05, 8 January 2017 (UTC) reply
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Balatonszentgyoergy

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ( talk) 15:26, 4 January 2017 (UTC) reply

(eubot) Delete, WP:RFD#D8 as for #Gyoergy, below. ("szentgyörgy" is just "Saint George", and used in places as we have e.g. Chalfont St. Giles.) Si Trew ( talk) 02:30, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

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Gyoergy

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ( talk) 15:25, 4 January 2017 (UTC) reply

(eubot) Delete all. WP:RFD#D8, not a Germanic umlaut, the name "György" is Hungarian for "George" (and often thus transliterated). Pretty much all the ones that transliterate as "Gyoergy" will be novel or obscure synonms, if they are from Hungarian. I've tagged various R's to these target with "George", from the Hungarian name order (surname first) and so on, as make sense. Si Trew ( talk) 02:20, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

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C Programming Language language

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ( talk) 15:24, 4 January 2017 (UTC) reply

I don't see how this is helpful. Not plausible, weird capitalisation and repetition of a word. - CHAMPION ( talk) ( contributions) ( logs) 01:48, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

  • The original description of the language was in a book called The C Programming Language, so it would be sensible for C Programming Language to go there (but it doesn't, it goes to C (programming language); even so, this is WP:RFD#D8 novel or obscure with the two "language"s. Two hits in 90 days, no internal links beyond this discussion. Delete. Si Trew ( talk) 02:57, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. I expected this to be a bot creation making sure that all articles about (human) languages can be found at or from titles ending in "<name of language> language" (e.g. Tok Pisin language → Tok Pisin), however it was created by a human with a very odd edit summary. Colour me very confused about the reason for its existence, but it doesn't need to stay for any reason I can tell. Thryduulf ( talk) 13:49, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Delete - per #D8 as stated above. Onel5969 TT me 12:44, 25 December 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Delete as per the above CoffeeWithMarkets ( talk) 10:40, 26 December 2016 (UTC) reply
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Nimbu

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2017 January 7#Nimbu

Uusaasta

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ( talk) 15:22, 4 January 2017 (UTC) reply

No particular affinity for Estonian. - CHAMPION ( talk) ( contributions) ( logs) 00:20, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

  • Delete as WP:RFD#D8 and WP:RFD#D2 confusing, not at target. "Estonia(n)" is not mentioned at the target at all; and we don't seem to have an Estonian WP page for "New Year's Day". The Estonian (Eesti) et:Uusaasta is linked via Wikidata to New Year, but even that is very much a stub. Si Trew ( talk) 02:50, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply
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C==

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@POTUS

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First Gentleman of the United States

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The result of the discussion was retarget to List of first gentlemen in the United States. -- Tavix ( talk) 20:15, 4 January 2017 (UTC) reply

The term is not explained in the current target, however there is a short explanation at List of first gentlemen in the United States, so not sure if it is appropriate to retarget there or explain the term at the current target. - CHAMPION ( talk) ( contributions) ( logs) 22:14, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

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President of Australia

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The result of the discussion was Kept. There is no presidency in Australia, and this is the appropriate target that covers or points to related matters. Any other direction is supposition or interpretation. There is nothing to disambiguate. — billinghurst sDrewth 02:29, 8 January 2017 (UTC) reply


This has previously targeted Prime Minister of Australia but not sure if it should be targeted to Monarchy of Australia, for I'm not sure which is the closest, for President of the United States is a head of state and government combined, if it gets too complicated, I'd just suggest deleting it, but I'm not too convinced to take that path at this stage. - CHAMPION ( talk) ( contributions) ( logs) 22:08, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

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2022 in association football

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The result of the discussion was Deleted as inappropriate as it will never be a redirect, and protected to 1-1-2020. Labelled as too soon, and pointed to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football if started prior to expiry of protection — billinghurst sDrewth 02:38, 8 January 2017 (UTC) reply

Delete as WP:TOOSOON. There will be other events that will occur in association football in 2022 besides the World Cup, so the current target is too narrow. -- Tavix ( talk) 21:39, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. -- BDD ( talk) 22:20, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

Undo last 2 editions. This redirect makes no sense at all, the page should be a list of upcoming sports events. And keep the page. Regards, -- Fadesga ( talk) 13:47, 25 December 2016 (UTC) reply

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Lock Her Up

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The result of the discussion was WP:SNOWCLOSE and withdraw as nominator. I am going to make a WP:BOLD retarget to Political positions of Donald Trump#Lock Her Up, tagging the redirect accordingly with {{ R to anchor}}, given the lack of objection to the proposal I made two days ago. ( non-admin closure) -- Nevé – selbert 18:13, 6 January 2017 (UTC) reply

I created this redirect last week, since I was surprised it didn't land a target. A popular Trump mantra, I personally think it should be retargeted rather than deleted. -- Nevé – selbert 20:50, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

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Paeaebo

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ( talk) 19:44, 4 January 2017 (UTC) reply

(eubot) Delete both, WP:RFD#D8, I can't find any use for this form in sources (Google verbatim search): there are some uses in name-lookup search results, but not in running text. (Swedish name.) Si Trew ( talk) 18:43, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

Searching a little harder, I did find one use, but I'm not convinced that's not just another transcription "choice" as it's in a Vietnamese (English-language) newsfeed, I know where not from originally. Si Trew ( talk) 03:37, 25 December 2016 (UTC) reply
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必应

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ( talk) 19:44, 4 January 2017 (UTC) reply

No relationship with Chinese language. SST flyer 15:52, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

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Moengke Khan

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The result of the discussion was Keep. Thryduulf ( talk) 14:26, 7 January 2017 (UTC) reply

(Eubot) Mongolian, not Germanic. - CHAMPION ( talk) ( contributions) ( logs) 06:51, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

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Tuerkmenbasy, Turkmenistan

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ( talk) 19:44, 4 January 2017 (UTC) reply

(eubot) WP:RFD#D8, not Germanic but Turkmen (who'da thought it). According to the DAB at Türkmenbaşy, the anglicised spelling is " Turkmenbashi" (and we don't actually have Tuerkmenbasy). Si Trew ( talk) 05:27, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

I never suggested otherwise. Incidentally, if Eubot has created a redirect of this form, there will always also be a redirect of the simpler "straight-u" (or "straight-o" form: either also created by Eubot, or already existing when Eubot was run. Si Trew ( talk) 16:04, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply
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Guemueshacikoey

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ( talk) 19:44, 4 January 2017 (UTC) reply

(Eubot) WP:RFD#D8, not Germanic but Turkish. Si Trew ( talk) 05:21, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

  • Delete, not a valid transcription/anglicization, just the usual eubot nonsense. AddWittyNameHere ( talk) 23:02, 3 January 2017 (UTC) reply
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Goe Lotsawa

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The result of the discussion was Withdrawn by nominator (me). ( non-admin closure) — Preceding unsigned comment added by SimonTrew ( talk • contribs)

(eubot) Delete as WP:RFD#D8, not Germanic but Tibetan. Si Trew ( talk) 05:16, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

  • Keep there are lots of google hits that demonstrate that this spelling is used, including in sources that mix Chinese and Latin script. Thryduulf ( talk) 12:24, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply
You're right. A correct destination by the wrong route: I've tagged as {{ R from other name}}. Withdrawn. Si Trew ( talk) 16:08, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply
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Punainen jaettilaeinen

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ( talk) 19:44, 4 January 2017 (UTC) reply

(eubot) Another rather odd Finnish one, with the "aei" transliteration. Si Trew ( talk) 05:12, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

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Bakonyszuecs

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ( talk) 19:44, 4 January 2017 (UTC) reply

(Eubot) WP:RFD#D8, Delete both. Not Germanic but Hungarian. Si Trew ( talk) 05:05, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

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Gueejar Sierra

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ( talk) 19:44, 4 January 2017 (UTC) reply

(Eubot) WP:RFD#D8 Not Germanic, Spanish. Si Trew ( talk) 05:01, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

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Goermeli

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ( talk) 19:44, 4 January 2017 (UTC) reply

(eubot) WP:RFD#D8, not Germanic, Turkish. Si Trew ( talk) 04:58, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

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Porin jaeaehalli

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ( talk) 19:44, 4 January 2017 (UTC) reply

(eubot) Finnish. The question, as for immediately below, is whether Finnish "ää" can reasonably be transliterated "aeae". I don't think so, thus WP:RFD#D8 Delete. According to Finnish orthography#Alphabet, the "ää" is already the "spelling" of the "glyph" "ä", but I am not really sure what that means. Si Trew ( talk) 04:43, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

  • Delete, as ä and ae are indeed not equivalent in Finnish, and as such not reasonable transliterations. Spelling in that table is the spelling of the name of the glyph, which does not appear relevant here. More relevant is this, in the section below the table: "The Germanic umlaut or convention of considering digraph ae equivalent to ä, and oe equivalent to ö is inapplicable in Finnish. Moreover, in Finnish, both ae and oe are vowel sequences, not single letters, and they have independent meanings" AddWittyNameHere ( talk) 15:45, 4 January 2017 (UTC) reply
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Pentti Haanpaeae

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ( talk) 19:44, 4 January 2017 (UTC) reply

(eubot) WP:RFD#D8. This is Finnish, so not strictly Germanic; but I'm not sure if even the Swedish-speaking population of Finland would transliterate it in this way. Weak delete. Si Trew ( talk) 04:41, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

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AEthelric II

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The result of the discussion was keep. -- Tavix ( talk) 20:13, 4 January 2017 (UTC) reply

(eubot) I've been wondering about ones with the "Æ" -> "AE" here (and similar for "OE"). While they are pretty harmless, the usual way to transliterate would be to write Aethelric II, which we do in fact have. So this is at best useless, but also is really a {{ R from misspelling}} I should say, and I don't really see any great need to maintain it in perpetuum when it has had 1 hit in 90 days (excluding its listing) and there are no internal links. I can't find any capitalisation like this in the first five pages of my verbatim (hah!) Google results. Weak delete. Si Trew ( talk) 04:33, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

But hardly anyone seems actually to type it this way – or at least if they do, they don't arrive at the target via calling up this redirect (i.e. some other part of their search, on or off Wikipedia, circumnavigates the R). So I am a little (not very) suspicious of page stats because they probably under-represent (slightly) the usefulness of Rs. If the WP search dropdown (for example) displays the R as a suggestion, that search doesn't get recorded as a hit/match to the R when its target is then selected by the user; similarly the main "search results" page is populated partly from matches to redirects but won't record a hit on the redirect, and I can imagine (I can't know, of course) that search engines such as Google have special cases for Wikipedia that understand Wikipedia redirects and essentially do the redirection to the target themselves. So the usefulness of these "incorrect" Rs is hard to pin down by the Wikipedia page stats alone. And I believe the search dropdown's algorithm for picking a redirect to populate the dropdown/search results is deliberately opaque, anyway, in that there's no guarantee which it will choose; for one thing, were it not so, editors could attempt to "game the system" by introducing Rs that were considered better matches (i.e. attempt to "enhance" the search results).
The fact is, no sources seem to spell it in this form, and even if one or two did we have WP:RFD#D2 implying we should not rely on the presence of a particular utterance in a single source. More plausible is that they'll type "Aethelric II" or "aethelric II", either of which would get them where they wanted to go anyway. (We don't have Athelric II or Ethelric II, though.) I'll emphasise that I'm not het up on this particular R but there are many (not a vast number) like it. Si Trew ( talk) 05:25, 25 December 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Keep. Note that Google searches are always case insensitive (even when searching for allegedly literal strings) so it is not possible to state with certainty that a given capitalisation is never used. The only case sensitive search I know of is Google's ngram viewer. This searches only books that Google has digitised and so it is a limited coprus and includes OCR errors (e.g. cl → d), but it can be a guide. Unfortunately for this redirect the corpus includes no mentions of this person by any spelling, however the more famous Æthered is included. This ngram plot for "Aethelred" and "AEthelred" shows that both spellings are used but that "Aethelred" is very significantly more common. It is reasonable to believe that the same holds true for the person we're discussing here and that both Ae and AE forms are used but that the latter is a minority usage not readily visible in case insensitive searches. Thryduulf ( talk) 12:10, 25 December 2016 (UTC) reply
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Yoeruek Ali Efe

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ( talk) 19:44, 4 January 2017 (UTC) reply

(eubot) Not Germanic, Turkish. WP:RFD#D8 Delete. Si Trew ( talk) 04:30, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

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Sarkoez

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ( talk) 15:41, 4 January 2017 (UTC) reply

(eubot) WP:RFD#D8, not Germanic but Hungarian. Nicholas Sarkoezy doesn't spell his name like that (yes, it's a Hungarian name). Si Trew ( talk) 04:10, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

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Guecluekonak

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ( talk) 15:38, 4 January 2017 (UTC) reply

(eubot) WP:RFD#D8, not Germanic but Turkish. Si Trew ( talk) 04:07, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

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Trueebsee

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ( talk) 15:35, 4 January 2017 (UTC) reply

(eubot) Delete as WP:RFD#D8. Back-formed from Trüebsee, which I'll mark as {{ R from misspelling}}. Si Truebsee ( talk) 04:03, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

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Michelle-O

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The result of the discussion was keep. -- Tavix ( talk) 15:36, 4 January 2017 (UTC) reply

No evidence that this is a common or unambiguous name. - CHAMPION ( talk) ( contributions) ( logs) 04:02, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

The policy is WP:RFD#D8, "novel or obscure synonym". Si Trew ( talk) 19:47, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply
That is policy, but, given Patar knight's evidence that this synonym is neither novel nor obscure, it is not relevant to this discussion any more than WP:RFD#D6, "cross-namespace redirect out of article space" is. Thryduulf ( talk) 12:13, 25 December 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Keep per Patar knight. SST flyer 07:18, 25 December 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Keep per Patar knight. Thryduulf ( talk) 12:13, 25 December 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Comment - I've seen the First Lady referred to as "Michelle O" sometimes, but I don't recall seeing a hyphen introduced into things anywhere. CoffeeWithMarkets ( talk) 07:22, 4 January 2017 (UTC) reply
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Ovoerkhangai

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ( talk) 15:33, 4 January 2017 (UTC) reply

(eubot) Delete all as WP:RFD#D8, not a Germanic umlaut but a transliteration of Mongolian. These were all created from existing redirects. I've looked at this target before, but none of these has been proposed at RfD before. All are on User:Champion's Eubot lists in various places, except Ovoerhangay province for some reason (I mention that only because I don't know why it would be missed off the list). Si Trew ( talk) 03:49, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

  • @ SimonTrew: The reason that one was not on my lists was that it has been subsequently edited by Eubot, I was only able to make the lists of the ones that have only one edit. - CHAMPION ( talk) ( contributions) ( logs) 04:03, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply
Ah, I checked the history but I missed that. No worries. Si Trew ( talk) 04:12, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. White a few of these do get quite a substantial number of hits on Google these almost all seem to originate from Wikipedia directly or indirectly and I'm not seeing any actual human uses. Thryduulf ( talk) 12:29, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply
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Nesim Ozguer

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ( talk) 15:33, 4 January 2017 (UTC) reply

(eubot) Not Germanic, Turkish (and Bulgarian, where his name is Nesim Neshadov, so it still makes no sense). WP:RFD#D8. Si Trew ( talk) 03:46, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

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Fuezerkajata

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ( talk) 15:31, 4 January 2017 (UTC) reply

(eubot). Not Germanic, Hungarian. WP:RFD#D8 Delete. Si Trew ( talk) 03:38, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

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Andras Gyuerk

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ( talk) 15:30, 4 January 2017 (UTC) reply

Delete, WP:RFD#D8, not a Germanic umlaut but Hungarian. Eubot created it, the stupid gyuerk. Si Trew ( talk) 03:35, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

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BD +20deg307

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C±

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ( talk) 15:28, 4 January 2017 (UTC) reply

Delete as WP:RFD#D2 confusing, no mention at target. I can't find any sources for these on a verbatim search (just results for "C"); ten hits between them in ninety days, but I wouldn't be surprised if those who hit were WP:SURPRISEd. Si Trew ( talk) 03:08, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

  • Weak delete. Google ignores the ± character when searching (unless it's the only character in the search strong). The only alternative search engine I've been able to find that doesn't do this is SymbolHound. Unfortunately that engine has a limited corpus of indexed sites that is very heavily skewed towards sites that deal with programming languages (it was created to make searching for strings like "&&" and "==" in code examples possible), so it is not possible to use this for general purpose searches, and it didn't return anything useful on this occasion. I was able to find, using the string "C plus or minus" on google that "C± is a strongly typed scripting language with C-like syntax for serverside platforms." [5] (whatever that means) however I didn't find anything that would be enough to have coverage of this anywhere on Wikipedia. Thryduulf ( talk) 13:24, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Delete as per the above CoffeeWithMarkets ( talk) 10:39, 26 December 2016 (UTC) reply
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C/c++

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Elena Nikolaeva (journalist)

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The result of the discussion was move. ( non-admin closure) There is consensus that if the target article is to be kept at its present title, the redirect is appropriate. However, there is also consensus that Elena Nikolaeva should be moved over the redirect at Elena Nikolaeva (journalist), and that Elena Nikolaeva (disambiguation) should be moved to the base title. This is very unlikely to receive objections, so a formal WP:RM is not needed. I'm going ahead and requesting the moves at WP:RMT. – Uanfala (talk) 13:08, 8 January 2017 (UTC) reply

Totally unnecessary redirect from a dab when there is a page without the dab already in existence. Onel5969 TT me 02:37, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

  • Did not see Yelena Nikolayeva when I declined the speedy. Assuming that both women are best known professionally by this transliteration from their Russian names and that there's no one else notable with this name, I would keep this one as {{ R from unnecessary disambiguation}}, since the target is a journalist and there was seen as a valid page name by at least the person who merged content from Elena Nikolaeva to here.; move Yelena Nikolayeva (racewalker) to the title without the parenthetical disambiguator, and hatnote both articles to each other, This would be applying natural disambiguation. (Given information below on other notable people with this name, I would support Thryduulf's suggestion below. 17:38, 24 December 2016 (UTC)) @ Салоом алейкум:: Since you're at the nexus of these pages, feel free to comment on this RfD.---- Patar knight - chat/ contributions 02:57, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply
The point is that it's not me who prefers the current title (viz., «Elena Nikolaeva») of the article under discussion. At first I created an article under the title « Yelena Nikolayeva (journalist)», but then mademoiselle Nikolaeva asked me to change my transliteration and move the article to its present name. I guessed it would give rise to perplexity, but I renamed the article in the way señorita Nikolaeva wanted. As for me, I don't know whether the chosen title is the most appropriate for the English Wikipedia. I'm afraid the reader is now given the impression that Yelena Nikolayeva (racewalker) and Elena Nikolaeva (journalist) aren't namesakes, although these titles are due to different ways of transliteration rather than different Russian names. That's why I have created a disambiguation page. @ Patar knight: let me add a comment to your remark: «there's no one else notable with this name». It is worth stressing that the surname Nikolaev, like its female form Nikolaeva, is a very popular surname in Russia. That is also, and even more so, true of the name Yelena (Elena). Hence a great deal of notable namesakes. This page in ru-wp witnesses that there are a lot of famous Russian women whose name is Elena Nikolaeva. Does that not indicate that the dab is expedient? « Elena Nikolaeva (poetess)», « Elena Nikolaeva (politician)», « Elena Nikolaeva (actress)» - such is a far from complete list of the Russian celebrities who are namesakes of Elena Nikolaeva (journalist) and Elena Nikolaeva (racewalker). So other notable Elenas Nikolaevas do exist and it is en-wp that has't got the corresponding articles yet. It was precisely this lack that compelled me to adduce an example by means of creating a new stub here. Personally, I don't like cinema, but this stub of mine, it is to be hoped, will make it possible to realise the necessity of the dab, so helping us with our discussion. Since I'm neither an administrator nor experienced user here, I'm not so bold as to claim unreservedly that this title is better than another one. I'm simply submitting my second variant of transliteration in accordance with Fräulein Nikolaeva's wish and pointing out that the women in question are namesakes. -- Salam aleikum ( talk) 11:23, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply
Thanks, I've updated my !vote accordingly. I'll echo Thryduulf below in saying that if there are multiple people with this name who are notable, and there's no one that would clearly be the primary topic for this name, having a DAB page at the base page Elena Nikolaeva, with other transliterations redirecting to it, and then disambiguated pages for everyone else (i.e. Elena Nikolaeva (journalist), Yelena Nikolayeva (racewalker), etc.) would be best, but that's done at requested moves. ---- Patar knight - chat/ contributions 17:38, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Keep as {{ R from unnecessary disambiguation}} and {{ R from move}} based on the present situation where the target is an article about a journalist with this name. If you want to move an article to a different title (for any reason) but are unable to do so (for any reason) then you need to go to Wikipedia:Requested moves and follow the instructions there. If you want to write an article about a different person with this name, first write the article at a title that is available, add a hatnote to your article at the base title, then request moves if needed. If you think the base title should be a disambiguation, then create a dab page at Elena Nikolaeva (disambiguation) and then request it to be moved to the base title. RfD is not needed for any of this. Thryduulf ( talk) 13:39, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply
I have dwelt upon the topic of our conversation at such length that it may, perhaps, cause embarrassment. I regret that a woman's wish (viz., «Please transliterate my name and surname in English the way I prefer») has given us so much trouble. @ Thryduulf: I hope that I have done everything as you suggest. Did you mean this? And yet I don't grasp your decision that Elena Nikolaeva should not be converted into a redirection page. -- Salam aleikum ( talk) 17:24, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Comment: as has been said above, this really should be a requested move. However, it's here now, so here is what I would suggest as an end result:
    • Since there is no primary topic, the dab page should be at the base name ( Elena Nikolaeva).
Elena Nikolaeva (journalist) should be the title of the article about the journalist.
Both Elena Nikolaeva (disambiguation) and Yelena Nikolayeva (disambiguation) should redirect to Elena Nikolaeva. Different transliterations of the same name should be on the same dab page, and it seems (in my unscientific quick search) that "Elena" is more common than "Yelena".
— Gorthian ( talk) 20:29, 26 December 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Thus, we've got five different Elenas Nikolaevas. They're all notable. As for ru-wp, there are six Elenas Nikolaevas there. Who is the primary? I dare say it is nothing but apostasy a new revisionist attempt to reformulate the basic question of philosophy (WHAT is to be regarded as primary and WHAT as secondary: the spiritual or the material?) as not, allegedly, correctly posed.
    See also: Physicists or lyricists
    -- Salam aleikum ( talk) 13:59, 27 December 2016 (UTC) reply
  •  Comment: it seems that the base page "Elena Nikolayeva" should be the (one) disambiguation page (including for the variants), and each of the articles should be alternatively labelled. Please let us keep it simple. — billinghurst sDrewth 03:05, 8 January 2017 (UTC) reply
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Balatonszentgyoergy

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ( talk) 15:26, 4 January 2017 (UTC) reply

(eubot) Delete, WP:RFD#D8 as for #Gyoergy, below. ("szentgyörgy" is just "Saint George", and used in places as we have e.g. Chalfont St. Giles.) Si Trew ( talk) 02:30, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

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Gyoergy

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ( talk) 15:25, 4 January 2017 (UTC) reply

(eubot) Delete all. WP:RFD#D8, not a Germanic umlaut, the name "György" is Hungarian for "George" (and often thus transliterated). Pretty much all the ones that transliterate as "Gyoergy" will be novel or obscure synonms, if they are from Hungarian. I've tagged various R's to these target with "George", from the Hungarian name order (surname first) and so on, as make sense. Si Trew ( talk) 02:20, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

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C Programming Language language

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ( talk) 15:24, 4 January 2017 (UTC) reply

I don't see how this is helpful. Not plausible, weird capitalisation and repetition of a word. - CHAMPION ( talk) ( contributions) ( logs) 01:48, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

  • The original description of the language was in a book called The C Programming Language, so it would be sensible for C Programming Language to go there (but it doesn't, it goes to C (programming language); even so, this is WP:RFD#D8 novel or obscure with the two "language"s. Two hits in 90 days, no internal links beyond this discussion. Delete. Si Trew ( talk) 02:57, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. I expected this to be a bot creation making sure that all articles about (human) languages can be found at or from titles ending in "<name of language> language" (e.g. Tok Pisin language → Tok Pisin), however it was created by a human with a very odd edit summary. Colour me very confused about the reason for its existence, but it doesn't need to stay for any reason I can tell. Thryduulf ( talk) 13:49, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Delete - per #D8 as stated above. Onel5969 TT me 12:44, 25 December 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Delete as per the above CoffeeWithMarkets ( talk) 10:40, 26 December 2016 (UTC) reply
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Nimbu

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Uusaasta

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ( talk) 15:22, 4 January 2017 (UTC) reply

No particular affinity for Estonian. - CHAMPION ( talk) ( contributions) ( logs) 00:20, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

  • Delete as WP:RFD#D8 and WP:RFD#D2 confusing, not at target. "Estonia(n)" is not mentioned at the target at all; and we don't seem to have an Estonian WP page for "New Year's Day". The Estonian (Eesti) et:Uusaasta is linked via Wikidata to New Year, but even that is very much a stub. Si Trew ( talk) 02:50, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply
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