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Can we please go a little easier on Rhanbury? He appears to be doing his best with his very vague COI and Lyndaship, by laying into Johnbod, one of our most experienced and respected editors, has almost scared editors away from even wanting to contribute to this article. As long as they are not blatantly promotional, we do allow a certain leeway to school articles many (if not most) of which are actually created and edited by pupils and alumni. Thanks everyone. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 14:38, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
ElKevbo, I don't think anyone is seriously suggesting changing COI guidelines one-off on this project, and if one editor is, it's because he is a SPA COI editor himself. As Kudpung hinted in the OP, it's been said that the most common initial edit to Wikipedia is either one's hometown or one's Alma mater. Extended, that means that if the physical constraints that cause COI were all that matter, we are all COI editors on at least two articles. COI isn't just a state of being, it's primarily an attitude. I encounter COI school article editors daily. Three things can happen:
None of these situations require any change to either local or meta guidelines. Something we are encountering more frequently in US school articles are all the dismal PAID junk we've been seeing for several years on biography and commecial articles. As one might expect, it's more prevelant in private schools, but I've been seeing it on public schools too. This thread is painfully long because the editor it is about is prone to TLDR, and seems to have IDHTitis. See the three or more postings immediately above yours. John from Idegon ( talk) 04:31, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
For a defunct educational institution, should you go with the name it last used as its article title (before it was disestablished), or should you go with the name it originally/semi-originally used (when it was established)? I came across an article ( Gay-Jay Montessori School) that I am looking to improve. It apparently had another name after its founding. I feel this should be the name of the article. (Also, according to https://aadl.org/node/267036 this, the original name of the school was "Gay-Jay Nursery School," but went on to become a Montessori school...) PseudoSkull ( talk) 23:08, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
There is a question on whether rural American school articles should have discussions of their athletic programs like this content. I have provided three reasons why I am for inclusion of (or against the removal of) such content in rural American schools:
IMO this is not a WP:WEIGHT issue since we're left with almost nothing when the content's removed. If there is secondary source coverage about any other aspect: academics, administrative turmoil, etc. I would be happy to add that (I may go on the Wikipedia:RX and ask people to search Louisiana newspapers for anything else about this school). Until/unless I find such info, sports is the sole significant aspect about this school.
Re: names of staff - Since rural American schools prize sports, football coaches will be talked about in the reliable sources. The coaches of high school sports should have their names posted since athletic programs place emphasis on their coaches. People underneath the coaches, perhaps not.
BTW I don't think it's beneficial to be especially choosy about article content (except in copyright cases i.e. school songs and of course unsourced/poorly-sourced stuff) when a school article just starts out, or is at a bare minimum length. The young students who we are trying to recruit on Wikipedia will have less of an incentive to stay if what they write is just deleted. Once the content is developed, then start being more selective, because we know what the secondary sources emphasize about the institution and therefore we know the WEIGHT.
WhisperToMe ( talk) 18:48, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
There are sports write-ups for the Hornets and Lady Hornets, like this one where both boys and girls basketball teams won state championships in 2016 [1] [2] [3] You can also search with the principal's name Jeffery Sampson and see what write-ups show up. Also Ruby Qualls has coached the girls basketball team for 44 years and won six state championships, such notability has made local news [4] [5] AngusWOOF ( bark • sniff) 20:37, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
Any assistance that could be lent at Saint Joseph Central Catholic High School (Fremont, Ohio) would be appreciated. I've started a discussion at Talk:Saint Joseph Central Catholic High School (Fremont, Ohio)#League titles and individual state titles, but so far no participation from the other editor. There has been some back and forth dealing with league titles and individual state championships (i.e. not team titles), going back to May, but especially in the last few days. Thanks! -- JonRidinger ( talk) 19:44, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
I think more discussion is needed on the new COI section added to school article guidelines. Doug Weller talk 11:36, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
For such a prestigious and expensive school, it's article has been allowed to become a rambling, pompous promotional piece, full of trivia. I have removed the fake claim to it being a FA. It needs some heavy pruning. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 13:39, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
There is a discussion of interest to this project at the above location. John from Idegon ( talk) 22:18, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
The names of all the non notable students and sports coaches (those who do not have Wikipedia pages) should be removed. I don't have time to do this right now. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 06:35, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
I have looked at the site, and it is written lke a promotional material for a feature local paper that is struggling to survive. It fails totally to observe out guidelines, WP:WPSCH and the examples are six to ten years out of date. The wayback references don't connect properly. There exist a link in External links wi8th infomation about the buildings that could be used, the school website (self published) gives links too. Any material more than three years old can be culled. I suggest all references that don't support the text are removed and any paragraph with out a reference is culled, then we give a hand and write the article correctly. ClemRutter ( talk) 09:10, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
Any assistance on the Lutheran West article would be appreciated, specfically regarding notable alumni. I have already posted an explanation on the user's talk page, along with edit summaries. -- JonRidinger ( talk) 15:43, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
Looks like this isn't over as the same names were added back and then another editor added one of the other names back. Sigh. -- JonRidinger ( talk) 01:06, 16 September 2018 (UTC)
Discussion belongs on article talk page, not here. Sensationalism is not helpful.
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By way of COI disclosure, my name is Susan and I work with Brentwood Academy. I want to call this group's attention to gross violations of WP:VANDAL and WP:COPYVIO on the Brentwood Academy article. In the History section, the following sources are cited: O'Hara, Jim (July 22, 1972). "The 'Christian' schools are on the boom". The Tennessean. Nashville. p. B1 – via Newspapers.com. Jump up ^ Dyer, Jennifer Eaton (2007-04-12). The Core Beliefs of Southern Evangelicals: A Psycho-Social Investigation of the Evangelical Megachurch Phenomenon. etd.library.vanderbilt.edu (PhD). Vanderbilt University. p. 23. Retrieved 2018-01-02. Jump up ^ Cluman, Carl (January 21, 1980). "Bus plan brings application rush for private schools". The Tennessean. Nashville. p. 59 – via Newspapers.com. These articles do not specifically pertain to Brentwood Academy and are generalized statements to make it appear as if the school is prejudiced or founded as a result of desegregation, a blatantly false representation. We believe that the Wikipedia page about our school is not the place to prosecute the case or promote the views of any party in this matter. All that we ask is that, to the degree that this topic is discussed in the context of our nearly fifty year history, that it is treated even-handedly. – Susan SusanS1969 ( talk) 21:52, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
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The article Lycée Edgar-Quinet has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:
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A few days ago, I came across an administration section of a school article (see this). I first noticed the last line of the lede saying "The current administration at Cox includes principal Michael D. Kelly". Seeing that it was redundant to the section immediately below it, I removed it. I was then curious and looked at the style guide for such articles, and found in particular the WP:WPSCH/AG#WNTI section. I saw "While naming the head teacher or principal is permitted, lists or detailed information ... administrative staff, school secretaries, current or former teachers etc. is usually inappropriate." After reading that, it seemed clear to me that such administration sections shouldn't be used. I then removed that section from the article, per that section. I started removing such sections from various school articles. I bumped into an editor who held a different opinion on the subject. We've had a discussion on the subject, but the discussion has petered out without any agreement. In that discussion, the other editor raised Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Infoboxes. From there I see a couple of relevant passages; in WP:INFOBOXPURPOSE it notes "an article should remain complete with its summary infobox ignored" and in WP:INFOBOXREF it notes "editors should first consider including the fact in the body of the article".
I looked around for other evidence, and found five featured articles about schools ( Amador Valley High School, Avery Coonley School, School for Creative and Performing Arts, The Judd School, Stuyvesant High School) none of which have administration sections on them. The other editor noted this is a WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS argument. I concur, but these are supposed to be examples of our best work. I looked at high school articles for 18 states (AL - LA), looking at schools beginning with "A" in those states; 227 articles in total. I could not find any articles where there was a section listing administration of the school.
I'd like some feedback on whether school articles should have sections such as I found at this location, or if noting the principal in the infobox without such a section is the accepted standard. Thank you, -- Hammersoft ( talk) 14:34, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
NYU Steinhardt posted a list of glossaries for educational terms in languages other than English:
This may help if you're making an article on ENwiki on a school in a non-English speaking country, or if you're making an article about a school in an English-speaking country on a Wikipedia in another language
https://steinhardt.nyu.edu/metrocenter/resources/glossaries
WhisperToMe ( talk) 08:31, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
Editors in this WikiProject may be interested in the featured quality source review RFC that has been ongoing. It would change the featured article candidate process (FAC) so that source reviews would need to occur prior to any other reviews for FAC. Your comments are appreciated. -- Izno Repeat ( talk) 21:35, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
There is a discussion regarding a recent event taking place at the page above that may be of interest to members of this project. Your participation is appreciated. John from Idegon ( talk) 19:53, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
G'day all, the Darwin High School article has been nominated for a peer review. If anyone has a moment to take a look and offer some advice to the article's creator, or edit the article, that would be most helpful. The review can be found here: Wikipedia:Peer review/Darwin High School/archive1 Thanks! Regards, AustralianRupert ( talk) 07:43, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
There is an ongoing discussion on how to merge the UK schools infobox into a unified schools infobox, as a result some of us have being looking long and hard at the way info real estate is used. Many folk are happy with using pushpin maps- fine if that works for them. However I am not. These maps can swamp the infobox- and are often added because they are available and add little to the article- but also they are a dead end and, clicked on, they don't expand.
I was reminded of the {{
OSM Location map}} template when
Steven (Editor) added one to the
Nottingham Academy Infobox in the |module=
field. It looks very good to me. I have tried adding it to
NUAST and
John Kyrle High School and it seems very flexible- and also works in a default sense if the coordinates are just repeated as at
John Masefield High School. What do you think? I would like to advice new schools editors to use this technique. Am I missing something? --
ClemRutter (
talk) 11:19, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Note: If someone has a better idea for what categories this RfC should be in, or a better place for this RfC to be hosted, please let me know. Thanks.
There has been debate recently about which administrators should be included on school and school district articles. While WP:WPSCH/AG#WNTI indicates we should not be including anything other than the principal/head teacher, that is an essay as @ Alansohn: has noted. There was a discussion on this talk page on this subject above, but the respondents would have been only those interested in this project. I am therefore seeking wider input via this RfC.
Question: Should school and school district articles include any administrators other than principal/head teacher/headmaster/superintendent even if we have one or more sources to support administrators below the top administrator?
Examples: (1) With only the principal; Dublin High School (California) and (2) With others below the principal; Bayonne High School (infobox and Bayonne_High_School#Administration)
Thank you, -- Hammersoft ( talk) 16:40, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
Please take a look at the article where the details about the school itself have been submerged under a current and newsworthy incident. I have flagged it as having been given undue weight and set up a talk page discussion. Fiddle Faddle 14:42, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
Please see Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Categories#Categorizing_schools_of_cities_in_multiple_counties,_but_in_which_one_county_has_the_lions_share_of_the_schools, which is an inquiry on categorizing schools in cities which are mostly in one county but have a minority in another county.
Thanks, WhisperToMe ( talk) 00:33, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
It seems to me that the vast majority of secondary school wikipedia articles are of very poor quality. Often, the lead is quite good, and the info box is informative, but students of these schools feel that they can get away with adding unnecessary/uncited/false/misleading information to the article on their high school. I think there should be a proposal to semi-protect the vast majority of them. This is because most of the edits that are done on these pages that are unproductive are usually from unregistered IP addresses or newly created accounts, created for the very purpose of vandalizing their school page.
In short, most high schools/secondary schools naturally attract mass amounts of vandalism from their student body, and thus, there should be more semi-protected articles, perhaps through some mass process to do so.
Some examples of poor quality articles due to unregistered IP edits adding unnecessary information/information that isn't cited: Liberal_Arts_and_Science_Academy Way too much detail on uncited classes. Many factually incorrect parts made by ip adresses Troy High School (California) This does not take a neutral tone Lubbock High School Look particularly at the first revision on March 5th Seven Lakes High School Besides being written like an advertisement (a byproduct on many school pages of most of the edits being from the student body wanting to promote their school over others), see edits on September 6th and July 18th by unregistered Ips, as well as many others before that. Acton-Boxborough Regional High School Actually a very quality article for a school I think. Of right lenght. But look at the edit war in the history. Carmel High School (Indiana) Besides being written like an advertisement (like many articles), there is yet again an intense amount of vandalism (see edit history).
These are just a few examples of the many over-vandalized, written like advertisements, way-to-specific, secondary school pages that I found by just randomly searching up high schools. I suggest that it be discussed to semi-protect a large number of them to prevent poor quality editing from their student body intended to simply promote their school. Thanks!
Sam-2727 ( talk) 21:50, 27 December 2018 (UTC)
Two editors - me and an unregistered editor - are having a dispute at Montachusett Regional Vocational Technical School. Can some others please weigh in? Thanks! ElKevbo ( talk) 08:12, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
To any editors who may be interested:
Following the completion of the Infobox UK school merge with Infobox school, an "after-merge ideas" section (now renamed to "Infobox cleanup" after revamping the entire section) was produced during the merge discussion process that took place on the Infobox school talk page with improvements to the infobox, such as merging and removing parameters. This is basically a full cleanup of the infobox and I'm asking any editors who may be interested to please join in the discussion. There's already parameters listed which you'll just need to comment on if you agree or not to help build consensus, and if there's anything you have you can just add to the relevant subsection. A perfect opportunity to get things addressed and there will be a bot run once the discussion has finished that will go through all the transclusions.
Thank you Steven (Editor) ( talk) 21:15, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
While working on the Montachusett Regional Vocational Technical School article, I found quite a few articles on various flavors of vocational education that lack sources or have other deficiencies. Some may be PROD or AfD candidates, and others may be merged into a more comprehensive article. All have been tagged and need attention!
Grand'mere Eugene ( talk) 02:26, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
Very high edit level due to recent (18 January 2019) high-profile incident involving school students. About half of the article is now devoted to this one incident. We've also had inappropriate attempts to add unrelated material in about a former student's alleged crimes (see Talk:Covington Catholic High School#Deletion of Walker charges.) Meters ( talk) 02:02, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
Hi, guys! At Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)#Display_a_link_to_WikiProject/topic_specific_guidelines_when_editing_an_article? I inquired on having pagenotices automatically added to every page within a particular WikiProject so the project guidelines can be easily accessed by new editors.
Turns out this is already possible, but this kind of thing would have to be approved by consensus. I know that we have reached decisions on many aspects (don't usually list administrators below principal, no lyrics of school songs, etc.) but many new editors don't know about this stuff. Having a pagenotice on every school article will help new editors learn about our guidelines easily, and it'll cut down on administrative work.
WhisperToMe ( talk) 12:54, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
We seem to be the leading Wikiproject and will be used as an example. This is basically a good idea but there may be some yet unforseen consequences.
We have several interesting problems here.
I think the next stage would be to design a mockup of the message.
-- ClemRutter ( talk) 14:06, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
I'm trying to figure out what to do with Draft:List of Schools in Pasig. As it stands there's a large list of elementary schools; should those be listed, or should only secondary schools and higher be listed? AngusWOOF ( bark • sniff) 19:24, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
There is a Request for Comment on Talk:Yeshiva Tiferes Yisroel. I would appreciate is someone can take part in the discussion. Puzzledvegetable ( talk) 16:45, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
There appear to be several dozen articles in Category:Virginia High School League, all about various sports conferences. Are these really notable? – Uanfala (talk) 02:44, 29 January 2019 (UTC)
See discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Architecture#Need help finding resources. Basically, I went to a school that was originally built based on some rather wacky ideas about classroom design and since the experiment basically failed before the internet was a thing I can't find any resources about it. Beeblebrox ( talk) 02:03, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
I've just learned about Wikipedia:Short description, which includes the statements "Eventually all articles should have a short description template" and "WikiProjects may find it useful to suggest standard formats which may be applicable to categories of articles." Before I dive in to learning more myself...Has this project set any guidance or had any discussions about short descriptions yet? If not, does anyone have some experience with this template or a desire to be bold and develop some suggestions? -- Hebisddave ( talk) 14:51, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
I recently created Freedom High School (Freedom, Wisconsin) and after viewing the disambig page am curious about whether the disambig should be specific to the town, or more general to the state since there only appears to be one Freedom HS in Wisconsin. Please ping me with a response as I am not watching this page. Etzedek24 ( I'll talk at ya) ( Check my track record) 13:15, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
There is a determined editor on this page who seems to me to be going wrong on Wikipedia policy, but perhaps I am out of date. After insisting on removing a list of the headmasters, he or she is now removing citations, claiming they are not needed. Could someone from here, preferably an Admin, please spare the time to visit Talk:Oswestry School and say something in the sections at the bottom? Many thanks, Moonraker ( talk) 22:51, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
There's a new editor who is making the article a bit of a mess. I should have told her about the guidelines and will when I finish this. She's been adding copyright material and too much detail so that it looks more like a brochure. For instance, the table at Columbia International College#Residences copying the table here so that we know which halls have internet, etc.
Really weirdly, there's this: "Columbia International College currently has six single-gender residence buildings: three for males and three for females. The male residences include Oak Hall, Pine Hall<ref>{{Cite journal|last=Ris|first=M. M.|last2=Deitrich|first2=R. A.|last3=Von Wartburg|first3=J. P.|date=1975-10-15|title=Inhibition of aldehyde reductase isoenzymes in human and rat brain|url=https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18|journal=Biochemical Pharmacology|volume=24|issue=20|pages=1865–1869|issn=0006-2952|pmid=18}}</ref>," A 1975 peer reviewed article which obviously doesn't mention the school, which in any case wasn't built until 1978. Thanks Doug Weller talk 09:11, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
A new Newsletter directory has been created to replace the old, out-of-date one. If your WikiProject and its taskforces have newsletters (even inactive ones), or if you know of a missing newsletter (including from sister projects like WikiSpecies), please include it in the directory! The template can be a bit tricky, so if you need help, just post the newsletter on the template's talk page and someone will add it for you.
Computer Systems Institute is (or was?) a small, private for profit college. It lost its Title IV funding in 2016 for fraudulent student aid applications. It lost its accreditation in 2017. It's no longer listed by NCES. I suspect it is no longer active. Its web page content is still there but may be abandoned (the menu feature is dead, for example). Most of the article sourcing was to the college's own webpage. Thoughts?
There is an 'undue' section on Sex Abuse. All the events are several decades old, some of the people are dead, naming the perps is counter-BLP, one of the indictments had nothing to do with the school at the time. I'm pretty sure we don't do 'scandal' sections in school articles, but I've not been very active now for a year so I can't remember. Could John, or Clem have a look at it please so that it can be removed if that's what we usually do. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 21:30, 8 June 2019 (UTC) Done
I don't have time at the moment. I'll keep it on my watchlist and if no one else has time do it myself. Doug Weller talk 12:22, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
There are discussions currently at both Talk:Stratford Academy and Talk:First Presbyterian Day School on how to present the school's respective histories of segregation. Your participation is invited. John from Idegon ( talk) 17:51, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
Currently, the alumni list for Eton College is sorted by birthdate. However this is problematic for the following reasons:
I would like them to be sorted by what they're notable for and then by alphabetical surname, like with this.
These are the articles in question:
FoxyGrampa75 ( talk) 17:31, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
Update: Moved here. FoxyGrampa75 ( talk) 18:52, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
{{AlumniimgStartUK}}{{Alumniimg}}{{AlumniEnd}}
. At the moment they don't sort on notability, if you with to proceed with project- go ahead and the template can be modified after the data is trandfered to include that sort.Hi, folks! I started some stubs of Japanese high schools (particularly private, single-sex ones) to encourage Japanese Wikipedia users to try some editing here on ENwiki.
Note that the Japanese Wikipedia does not have the sourcing culture that we have on ENwiki. If some Japanese users start adding unsourced passages/info, please have some patience and just point them to examples of well-sourced articles on ENwiki. You may wish to involve Japan WikiProject editors too in case this happens.
Thanks, WhisperToMe ( talk) 21:54, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
List of Toronto District School Board elementary schools was originally made in April 2017 and redirected in October 2017. A couple of days ago its creator, Mattximus, restored the list - originally with just one school on it but now with 13 schools (all beginning with the letter A). I came across it while doing NPP and was the second editor reverted when attempting to restore the redirect. I have not found corresponding elementary lists for other large school districts - though obviously for smaller districts we do often include all the schools on the district page something not feasible for these larger school districts. If this list were close to complete it wouldn't necessarily bother me - we can have lists where every entry is not notable - but the combination of lack of parallel I could find and incomplete status made me turn here as there might be precedent I was unaware of and/or people who would be willing to help make the list more complete (which is Mattximus' goal). Best, Barkeep49 ( talk) 19:49, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
A discussion on the Nomenclature of Australian schools is located at WP:AWNB#Nomenclature of Australian schools. Please feel free to provide input on that page. Many thanks Rangasyd ( talk) 13:56, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Template talk:Infobox school district#Proposal to repurpose Infobox school district . Steven (Editor) ( talk) 21:00, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
There is a discussion about adding automatic short descriptions to Infobox school at Template talk:Infobox school#Automatic short descriptions which may concern the project. -- Trialpears ( talk) 11:22, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
An article related to this project, Woodridge High School Football, has been nominated for deletion. Project members are invited to participate in the discussion. -- JonRidinger ( talk) 20:33, 16 June 2019 (UTC)
Are there any editors from this WikiProject willing to maintain Portal:Schools? The Portals guideline requires that portals be maintained, and as a result numerous portals have been recently been deleted via MfD largely becasue of lack of maintenance. Let me know either way, and thanks, UnitedStatesian ( talk) 06:53, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
No photos in alumni sections: Although this discussion closed by John from Idegon with a secondary consensus not to include this in WP:WPSCH/AG, due to constant abuse I have boldly added a line in the AG to reflect the strong consensus for the RfC which reinforced the standing practice. Any editors complaining in the future about removal of images can be referred to this section of the AG. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 02:18, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:List of schools of the Dallas Independent School District#Value of the list, in general. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 03:03, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
In particular please see the above for a discussion on how lists of American primary and secondary schools belonging to a particular school districts should be structured. There are questions on whether the lists should include all primary and secondary schools or just notable schools. WhisperToMe ( talk) 23:20, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
I recently have updated Al-Hijrah School which closed last August. After entering the new information and citations, and revising verb tenses as appropriate, I checked for incoming links, and also
I'd appreciate other eyes on this article to verify I haven't missed something. Do we have guidelines or a checklist to use when a school closes? Cheers! — Grand'mere Eugene ( talk) 03:36, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
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The deletionists are having one of their famous purges of school articles - there are currently no less than 30 entries at AfD. While I admit that some of them are indeed candidates for deletion, the nominators are often blissfully ignorant of policies and guidelines and we need some help here - I can't do it all alone. See Wikipedia:WikiProject_Schools/Article_alerts for the list.
Bear in mind that some are nothing but spam for small private or cram schools, while primary (elementary) and middle middle schools are normally blanked and redirected to the school district article (US) or to the town (rest of the world) per policy. WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES provides an overview and a link to a RfC which closed with a vague closure more like 'no consensus, thus the status quo prevails' but deletionists on the rampage interpret that to mean school articles should now be deleted as often as possible. The closers nevertheless stated that AfD should not be flooded with indiscriminate cases.. FYI: John from Idegon, ClemRutter, Tedder. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 06:47, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
Seeking input on contested name change at Talk:John_Dwyer_Technology_Academy; whether or not moving to "John T. Dwyer Technology Academy violates WP:COMMONNAME. OhNoitsJamie Talk 14:01, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
This article has been subject to persistent promotional edits for over a decade by SPA and school staff. We should continue to revert any edits that are an attempt to promote this school or enhance the SEO of the Wikipedia article. Thank you for your vigilance. If the long term abuse continues, please let us know so that the article can be fully protected.. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 02:59, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
Does anyone have an idea why this article is excusively UK-centric? Three tier educatiion is the standard model in many countries. Can this article be expanded or at least moved to UK three-tier education or something appropriate. ( ClemRutter?) See also:
Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 10:07, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
We've often discussed what is relevant content for school articles. While corporal punishment is nowadays generally a thing of the past, some of us, like Clem and I, can probably relate to life in privileged schools in the UK 60 years ago (remember the UK movie If ?). While corporal punishment is nowadays generally a thing of the past, sexual abuse should always be a serious issue . However, times change and hugely historical events may not be appropriate for a Wikipedia article more than half a century later. See Xavier_College#Historical_sexual_abuse_allegations and talk. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 06:56, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
A request for comments has been posted on the Sacred Heart Preparatory talk page. Please add your thoughts, if you can. Ottoump ( talk) 04:57, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
Are there any Hungarian readers who can search for sources for Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/International Christian School of Budapest? It appears notable to me based on just what I found with a quick search in English.. Meters ( talk) 21:26, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
A quick glance using the search 'International schools in Budapest list' shows that there are 14 international schools. The comparison sites written for the American ex-pat community give a variety of links to follow. Google its name and there are 12.3 million links. The sites advertising for chaplains and teachers give detailed descriptions. They stress everything is done in English as that is the students only common language. ClemRutter ( talk) 09:29, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
Here is a link to the BETT show in London. IT teachers always went there to keep abreast of new kit, but were amazed at the range of exhibitors across the field of management and classroom practice. It is free to all- I described myself as Volunteer Schools Coordinator, and my institution as WMUK Wikipedia London. If you can it is an interesting day out. "Bett 2020 Visitor Registration". Bett Show 2020. Retrieved 25 November 2019. --- ClemRutter ( talk) 21:38, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
The input of editors regarding a content dispute at Skowhegan, Maine would be appreciated. Two editors have added the same lengthy text about a controversy involving Skowhegan High School and the Maine School Administrative District 54. Please see Talk:Skowhegan, Maine#Mascot issue. Thank you. Magnolia677 ( talk) 20:52, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
Dear WikiProject Schools, I recently left this request on the talk page of infobox school. I'd love for any of the members here to weigh in. Thanks - Chip🐺 • #TeamTrees🌳 01:24, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
An editor at West Boca Raton Community High School keeps adding long unsourced paragraphs about academies at this school, and doesn't seem to get our policies, per his response at User talk:Gilesg. - Donald Albury 18:16, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
I really can't decide to make a BOLD edit, so I'll ask here:
Does the article in the title belong in our project? I'd really like to hear others opinions. Maybe y'all will help me clarify my thoughts. John from Idegon ( talk) 09:54, 25 December 2019 (UTC)
Please join the discussion at WT:WPSCH/AG. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 02:01, 29 December 2019 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:UST Growling Tigers. — Marchjuly ( talk) 23:31, 5 January 2020 (UTC)
I'm currently doing a major revision and expansion on Kennedy High School in Richmond, California. I welcome input in the discussion page and suggestions. Thanks! JacDT ( talk) 17:57, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
Actually, I looked through your excellent editor's page. Can I use the format you used on your page? if that is sufficient, I will get it up right away. Thanks for your input. JacDT ( talk) 01:22, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
Bearian has written a useful essay giving his 7 out of ten approach for assessing school notability.-- ClemRutter ( talk) 10:14, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
Listen with Mother always used to start with the line. Are you sitting comfortably, now I'll begin. We still have 2000 plus unassessed articles but it is not that I want to start on.
I hopped over to the assessment table and it really is bottom heavy 55% of all Bs, are of low importance, with Cs it is 70%, with Starts 77% and as for Stubs 97%. Why? This is hardly the bell curve we aspire. Should we change our criteria for importance- should we make it less woolley. We could start with the premise that for a child- their school is of top importance. I certainly know that for a politician many schools have a disproportionate effect on house prices, and your chances of getting re-elected. The need to understand the school affects its importance- take Parrs Wood High School assessed as low importance, and start class. Low is not how I would describe a top state school in Didsbury, the alma mater of Lisa Nandy an aspirant future prime minister, and getting your child into Parrs Wood would be a reason to stay in Manchester- while the school I worked at would be a reason to leave, but that was of top importance being subject of DES Building bulletin 49 sbn 11 270345 3
I am looking for a measurable attribute that could be used by a wikinewbie, or a bot to balance out the list. I do UK state schools, and acknowledge that I have very little time for the childminding facilities for the sprogs of the wealthy, until that school starts impacting on the lives of the average Wikipedian- but I am not fighting that cause here and now. What could we do to make more Mid rated schools and fewer Low. A simple change is to make all schools having a capacity of over 1800/1500/1200, automatically mid. This proposal is one to start a discussion- not to die in a ditch for. The second related change is to remove as will the majority of high/secondary schools from the low criteria and replace it with as will many small high/secondary schools. In the mid criteria add Most of high/secondary schools with over 1200/1500/1800 pupils will go here , unless they have both come to national attention and are supported by WP:RS references from more than one source.
Before we start to search for a wikiinewbiefriendly method of assessing quality I distinguish been core information, peripheral information and trivia and dross. We also have to consider referencing particularly the difference between a secondary source, and primary source and a reliable primary source. I maintain that any self published material is a primary source and therefore unreliable. But if the information comes from the sections of the school website that the governing body is obliged to publish by law- should that be allowed. These are not opinions or povs but information like when the last inspection was.. number of students on free meals. Look at another scenario, by the school do we mean the local governing body, or the sponsoring trust which is legally separate. (OK in most cases they are not independent) If the controlling trust obliges the headteacher to write a statement, which is quoted by the trust to Ofsted and published verbatim in a Ofsted document- is that primary, secondary, or still primary.
Similarly, if Schoolsweek newjournal, does an exposé on a school. Routinely the school is asked to comment- is the comment we have between quotes a secondary reference, or a primary reference again. I would like to say, Documents published in a manner where they are verifiable and open to legal scrutiny are primary sources, but are admissible as references for items of fact, but not for opinions. Documents published for marketing purposes including prospectuses are primary sources but are not admissible
I don't think this is really a change, it is just codifying existing practice. St George's Academy is our Low Importance GA. If I was being picky I could question 100 or so of the 163 references as in house , and may be 40 more which come from the local paper!
However I do approve on how the article has focuses on core information- and only gives the peripheral stuff limited mention and focuses on the important information. Looking at where we go wrong WP:SCH/AG doesn't distinguish, this could be remedied by tagging the core information, and warning on which information should be downplayed. The GA should be >60% core, <30& peripheral and <10% trivia- this could be said.
All of the above is for discussion- and hopefully will encourage other editors to BOLDly join in, just please don't stay silent. ClemRutter ( talk) 23:36, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
Any chance I could get some help with massive MEATPUPPETRY at the above article? I just want them to talk. John from Idegon ( talk) 02:14, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Society Public School, Lahore
I have placed a comment on this page regarding the level of evidence tat is needed before boilerplating a AfD nomination. I have looked back at one of the policy pages and find the advice contradictory. It is almost as someone has taken an existing document, and added 'and schools' to certain sentences without checking pack on what other changes were needed in order to retain sense. I would have hoped that someone further up the wikipecking order would have checked it. -- ClemRutter ( talk) 12:28, 5 January 2020 (UTC)
ClemRutter ( talk) 23:03, 5 January 2020 (UTC)
It has been requested that the title of a related project, Wikipedia:WikiProject Universities, be changed to Wikipedia:WikiProject Universities and colleges. If you are interested, please see the relevant discussion. TSventon ( talk) 14:03, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
Consider List of presidents of the College of the Holy Cross, where Ciampi was first president #4, but was president again after #5 and then again after another few intermediate presidents' terms. Should Ciampi have separate entries for each term, or some alternate note to indicate the position of a repeated person? Should that repeated person's later entry have its own ordinal number in the list (Ciampi was #4 and also #6 and also...), or should it be some other bullet style? DMacks ( talk) 23:09, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
I have retired as lead coord of this project. 10 years is long enough. Maybe some of the regulars could get together and nudge the project into shape, starting perhaps with a newsletter, and pruning some deadwood from the vast list of members. I will hang around as an emeritus for a while so don't hesitate to ask what I have on my mental 'to do' list and never got round to. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 02:48, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
Please join the discussion at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Universities#Requested_move_18_January_2020 before the discussion is closed. The outcome could affect the way the WP:WPSCH project works and may incur some changes that will need to be made. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 03:58, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
Bank Street College of Education is an article with a practical tie to the active discussion about the boundary between WP:UNI and WP:WPSCH. That's because Bank Street is both a grad school and K–8 school. I have started a discussion on the Bank Street talk page, which I invite you to join. At heart is the question, "When the subject of an article falls under both WP:UNI and WP:WPSCH, how should the article be structured?" My proposal is to use a structure that shares sections that both wikiprojects recommend (History, Campus, External links, etc.) but then divide much of the rest of the article into two major sections – one "mini article" about the grad school and another about the children's school. Each of those sections could then follow the respective wikiproject's guidelines. I welcome your input and hope to find consensus. Thank you. -- DanielKlotz ( talk · contribs) 18:45, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
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Can we please go a little easier on Rhanbury? He appears to be doing his best with his very vague COI and Lyndaship, by laying into Johnbod, one of our most experienced and respected editors, has almost scared editors away from even wanting to contribute to this article. As long as they are not blatantly promotional, we do allow a certain leeway to school articles many (if not most) of which are actually created and edited by pupils and alumni. Thanks everyone. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 14:38, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
ElKevbo, I don't think anyone is seriously suggesting changing COI guidelines one-off on this project, and if one editor is, it's because he is a SPA COI editor himself. As Kudpung hinted in the OP, it's been said that the most common initial edit to Wikipedia is either one's hometown or one's Alma mater. Extended, that means that if the physical constraints that cause COI were all that matter, we are all COI editors on at least two articles. COI isn't just a state of being, it's primarily an attitude. I encounter COI school article editors daily. Three things can happen:
None of these situations require any change to either local or meta guidelines. Something we are encountering more frequently in US school articles are all the dismal PAID junk we've been seeing for several years on biography and commecial articles. As one might expect, it's more prevelant in private schools, but I've been seeing it on public schools too. This thread is painfully long because the editor it is about is prone to TLDR, and seems to have IDHTitis. See the three or more postings immediately above yours. John from Idegon ( talk) 04:31, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
For a defunct educational institution, should you go with the name it last used as its article title (before it was disestablished), or should you go with the name it originally/semi-originally used (when it was established)? I came across an article ( Gay-Jay Montessori School) that I am looking to improve. It apparently had another name after its founding. I feel this should be the name of the article. (Also, according to https://aadl.org/node/267036 this, the original name of the school was "Gay-Jay Nursery School," but went on to become a Montessori school...) PseudoSkull ( talk) 23:08, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
There is a question on whether rural American school articles should have discussions of their athletic programs like this content. I have provided three reasons why I am for inclusion of (or against the removal of) such content in rural American schools:
IMO this is not a WP:WEIGHT issue since we're left with almost nothing when the content's removed. If there is secondary source coverage about any other aspect: academics, administrative turmoil, etc. I would be happy to add that (I may go on the Wikipedia:RX and ask people to search Louisiana newspapers for anything else about this school). Until/unless I find such info, sports is the sole significant aspect about this school.
Re: names of staff - Since rural American schools prize sports, football coaches will be talked about in the reliable sources. The coaches of high school sports should have their names posted since athletic programs place emphasis on their coaches. People underneath the coaches, perhaps not.
BTW I don't think it's beneficial to be especially choosy about article content (except in copyright cases i.e. school songs and of course unsourced/poorly-sourced stuff) when a school article just starts out, or is at a bare minimum length. The young students who we are trying to recruit on Wikipedia will have less of an incentive to stay if what they write is just deleted. Once the content is developed, then start being more selective, because we know what the secondary sources emphasize about the institution and therefore we know the WEIGHT.
WhisperToMe ( talk) 18:48, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
There are sports write-ups for the Hornets and Lady Hornets, like this one where both boys and girls basketball teams won state championships in 2016 [1] [2] [3] You can also search with the principal's name Jeffery Sampson and see what write-ups show up. Also Ruby Qualls has coached the girls basketball team for 44 years and won six state championships, such notability has made local news [4] [5] AngusWOOF ( bark • sniff) 20:37, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
Any assistance that could be lent at Saint Joseph Central Catholic High School (Fremont, Ohio) would be appreciated. I've started a discussion at Talk:Saint Joseph Central Catholic High School (Fremont, Ohio)#League titles and individual state titles, but so far no participation from the other editor. There has been some back and forth dealing with league titles and individual state championships (i.e. not team titles), going back to May, but especially in the last few days. Thanks! -- JonRidinger ( talk) 19:44, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
I think more discussion is needed on the new COI section added to school article guidelines. Doug Weller talk 11:36, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
For such a prestigious and expensive school, it's article has been allowed to become a rambling, pompous promotional piece, full of trivia. I have removed the fake claim to it being a FA. It needs some heavy pruning. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 13:39, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
There is a discussion of interest to this project at the above location. John from Idegon ( talk) 22:18, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
The names of all the non notable students and sports coaches (those who do not have Wikipedia pages) should be removed. I don't have time to do this right now. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 06:35, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
I have looked at the site, and it is written lke a promotional material for a feature local paper that is struggling to survive. It fails totally to observe out guidelines, WP:WPSCH and the examples are six to ten years out of date. The wayback references don't connect properly. There exist a link in External links wi8th infomation about the buildings that could be used, the school website (self published) gives links too. Any material more than three years old can be culled. I suggest all references that don't support the text are removed and any paragraph with out a reference is culled, then we give a hand and write the article correctly. ClemRutter ( talk) 09:10, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
Any assistance on the Lutheran West article would be appreciated, specfically regarding notable alumni. I have already posted an explanation on the user's talk page, along with edit summaries. -- JonRidinger ( talk) 15:43, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
Looks like this isn't over as the same names were added back and then another editor added one of the other names back. Sigh. -- JonRidinger ( talk) 01:06, 16 September 2018 (UTC)
Discussion belongs on article talk page, not here. Sensationalism is not helpful.
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By way of COI disclosure, my name is Susan and I work with Brentwood Academy. I want to call this group's attention to gross violations of WP:VANDAL and WP:COPYVIO on the Brentwood Academy article. In the History section, the following sources are cited: O'Hara, Jim (July 22, 1972). "The 'Christian' schools are on the boom". The Tennessean. Nashville. p. B1 – via Newspapers.com. Jump up ^ Dyer, Jennifer Eaton (2007-04-12). The Core Beliefs of Southern Evangelicals: A Psycho-Social Investigation of the Evangelical Megachurch Phenomenon. etd.library.vanderbilt.edu (PhD). Vanderbilt University. p. 23. Retrieved 2018-01-02. Jump up ^ Cluman, Carl (January 21, 1980). "Bus plan brings application rush for private schools". The Tennessean. Nashville. p. 59 – via Newspapers.com. These articles do not specifically pertain to Brentwood Academy and are generalized statements to make it appear as if the school is prejudiced or founded as a result of desegregation, a blatantly false representation. We believe that the Wikipedia page about our school is not the place to prosecute the case or promote the views of any party in this matter. All that we ask is that, to the degree that this topic is discussed in the context of our nearly fifty year history, that it is treated even-handedly. – Susan SusanS1969 ( talk) 21:52, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
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All three of these schools are currently red links. Lycée Edgard-Quinet (Paris) is the only one with links from other pages, and those only via Template:Lycées in Paris. There is nothing a disambiguation page can reasonably link to. Please create the articles before disambiguating them.
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A few days ago, I came across an administration section of a school article (see this). I first noticed the last line of the lede saying "The current administration at Cox includes principal Michael D. Kelly". Seeing that it was redundant to the section immediately below it, I removed it. I was then curious and looked at the style guide for such articles, and found in particular the WP:WPSCH/AG#WNTI section. I saw "While naming the head teacher or principal is permitted, lists or detailed information ... administrative staff, school secretaries, current or former teachers etc. is usually inappropriate." After reading that, it seemed clear to me that such administration sections shouldn't be used. I then removed that section from the article, per that section. I started removing such sections from various school articles. I bumped into an editor who held a different opinion on the subject. We've had a discussion on the subject, but the discussion has petered out without any agreement. In that discussion, the other editor raised Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Infoboxes. From there I see a couple of relevant passages; in WP:INFOBOXPURPOSE it notes "an article should remain complete with its summary infobox ignored" and in WP:INFOBOXREF it notes "editors should first consider including the fact in the body of the article".
I looked around for other evidence, and found five featured articles about schools ( Amador Valley High School, Avery Coonley School, School for Creative and Performing Arts, The Judd School, Stuyvesant High School) none of which have administration sections on them. The other editor noted this is a WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS argument. I concur, but these are supposed to be examples of our best work. I looked at high school articles for 18 states (AL - LA), looking at schools beginning with "A" in those states; 227 articles in total. I could not find any articles where there was a section listing administration of the school.
I'd like some feedback on whether school articles should have sections such as I found at this location, or if noting the principal in the infobox without such a section is the accepted standard. Thank you, -- Hammersoft ( talk) 14:34, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
NYU Steinhardt posted a list of glossaries for educational terms in languages other than English:
This may help if you're making an article on ENwiki on a school in a non-English speaking country, or if you're making an article about a school in an English-speaking country on a Wikipedia in another language
https://steinhardt.nyu.edu/metrocenter/resources/glossaries
WhisperToMe ( talk) 08:31, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
Editors in this WikiProject may be interested in the featured quality source review RFC that has been ongoing. It would change the featured article candidate process (FAC) so that source reviews would need to occur prior to any other reviews for FAC. Your comments are appreciated. -- Izno Repeat ( talk) 21:35, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
There is a discussion regarding a recent event taking place at the page above that may be of interest to members of this project. Your participation is appreciated. John from Idegon ( talk) 19:53, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
G'day all, the Darwin High School article has been nominated for a peer review. If anyone has a moment to take a look and offer some advice to the article's creator, or edit the article, that would be most helpful. The review can be found here: Wikipedia:Peer review/Darwin High School/archive1 Thanks! Regards, AustralianRupert ( talk) 07:43, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
There is an ongoing discussion on how to merge the UK schools infobox into a unified schools infobox, as a result some of us have being looking long and hard at the way info real estate is used. Many folk are happy with using pushpin maps- fine if that works for them. However I am not. These maps can swamp the infobox- and are often added because they are available and add little to the article- but also they are a dead end and, clicked on, they don't expand.
I was reminded of the {{
OSM Location map}} template when
Steven (Editor) added one to the
Nottingham Academy Infobox in the |module=
field. It looks very good to me. I have tried adding it to
NUAST and
John Kyrle High School and it seems very flexible- and also works in a default sense if the coordinates are just repeated as at
John Masefield High School. What do you think? I would like to advice new schools editors to use this technique. Am I missing something? --
ClemRutter (
talk) 11:19, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Note: If someone has a better idea for what categories this RfC should be in, or a better place for this RfC to be hosted, please let me know. Thanks.
There has been debate recently about which administrators should be included on school and school district articles. While WP:WPSCH/AG#WNTI indicates we should not be including anything other than the principal/head teacher, that is an essay as @ Alansohn: has noted. There was a discussion on this talk page on this subject above, but the respondents would have been only those interested in this project. I am therefore seeking wider input via this RfC.
Question: Should school and school district articles include any administrators other than principal/head teacher/headmaster/superintendent even if we have one or more sources to support administrators below the top administrator?
Examples: (1) With only the principal; Dublin High School (California) and (2) With others below the principal; Bayonne High School (infobox and Bayonne_High_School#Administration)
Thank you, -- Hammersoft ( talk) 16:40, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
Please take a look at the article where the details about the school itself have been submerged under a current and newsworthy incident. I have flagged it as having been given undue weight and set up a talk page discussion. Fiddle Faddle 14:42, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
Please see Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Categories#Categorizing_schools_of_cities_in_multiple_counties,_but_in_which_one_county_has_the_lions_share_of_the_schools, which is an inquiry on categorizing schools in cities which are mostly in one county but have a minority in another county.
Thanks, WhisperToMe ( talk) 00:33, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
It seems to me that the vast majority of secondary school wikipedia articles are of very poor quality. Often, the lead is quite good, and the info box is informative, but students of these schools feel that they can get away with adding unnecessary/uncited/false/misleading information to the article on their high school. I think there should be a proposal to semi-protect the vast majority of them. This is because most of the edits that are done on these pages that are unproductive are usually from unregistered IP addresses or newly created accounts, created for the very purpose of vandalizing their school page.
In short, most high schools/secondary schools naturally attract mass amounts of vandalism from their student body, and thus, there should be more semi-protected articles, perhaps through some mass process to do so.
Some examples of poor quality articles due to unregistered IP edits adding unnecessary information/information that isn't cited: Liberal_Arts_and_Science_Academy Way too much detail on uncited classes. Many factually incorrect parts made by ip adresses Troy High School (California) This does not take a neutral tone Lubbock High School Look particularly at the first revision on March 5th Seven Lakes High School Besides being written like an advertisement (a byproduct on many school pages of most of the edits being from the student body wanting to promote their school over others), see edits on September 6th and July 18th by unregistered Ips, as well as many others before that. Acton-Boxborough Regional High School Actually a very quality article for a school I think. Of right lenght. But look at the edit war in the history. Carmel High School (Indiana) Besides being written like an advertisement (like many articles), there is yet again an intense amount of vandalism (see edit history).
These are just a few examples of the many over-vandalized, written like advertisements, way-to-specific, secondary school pages that I found by just randomly searching up high schools. I suggest that it be discussed to semi-protect a large number of them to prevent poor quality editing from their student body intended to simply promote their school. Thanks!
Sam-2727 ( talk) 21:50, 27 December 2018 (UTC)
Two editors - me and an unregistered editor - are having a dispute at Montachusett Regional Vocational Technical School. Can some others please weigh in? Thanks! ElKevbo ( talk) 08:12, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
To any editors who may be interested:
Following the completion of the Infobox UK school merge with Infobox school, an "after-merge ideas" section (now renamed to "Infobox cleanup" after revamping the entire section) was produced during the merge discussion process that took place on the Infobox school talk page with improvements to the infobox, such as merging and removing parameters. This is basically a full cleanup of the infobox and I'm asking any editors who may be interested to please join in the discussion. There's already parameters listed which you'll just need to comment on if you agree or not to help build consensus, and if there's anything you have you can just add to the relevant subsection. A perfect opportunity to get things addressed and there will be a bot run once the discussion has finished that will go through all the transclusions.
Thank you Steven (Editor) ( talk) 21:15, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
While working on the Montachusett Regional Vocational Technical School article, I found quite a few articles on various flavors of vocational education that lack sources or have other deficiencies. Some may be PROD or AfD candidates, and others may be merged into a more comprehensive article. All have been tagged and need attention!
Grand'mere Eugene ( talk) 02:26, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
Very high edit level due to recent (18 January 2019) high-profile incident involving school students. About half of the article is now devoted to this one incident. We've also had inappropriate attempts to add unrelated material in about a former student's alleged crimes (see Talk:Covington Catholic High School#Deletion of Walker charges.) Meters ( talk) 02:02, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
Hi, guys! At Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)#Display_a_link_to_WikiProject/topic_specific_guidelines_when_editing_an_article? I inquired on having pagenotices automatically added to every page within a particular WikiProject so the project guidelines can be easily accessed by new editors.
Turns out this is already possible, but this kind of thing would have to be approved by consensus. I know that we have reached decisions on many aspects (don't usually list administrators below principal, no lyrics of school songs, etc.) but many new editors don't know about this stuff. Having a pagenotice on every school article will help new editors learn about our guidelines easily, and it'll cut down on administrative work.
WhisperToMe ( talk) 12:54, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
We seem to be the leading Wikiproject and will be used as an example. This is basically a good idea but there may be some yet unforseen consequences.
We have several interesting problems here.
I think the next stage would be to design a mockup of the message.
-- ClemRutter ( talk) 14:06, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
I'm trying to figure out what to do with Draft:List of Schools in Pasig. As it stands there's a large list of elementary schools; should those be listed, or should only secondary schools and higher be listed? AngusWOOF ( bark • sniff) 19:24, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
There is a Request for Comment on Talk:Yeshiva Tiferes Yisroel. I would appreciate is someone can take part in the discussion. Puzzledvegetable ( talk) 16:45, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
There appear to be several dozen articles in Category:Virginia High School League, all about various sports conferences. Are these really notable? – Uanfala (talk) 02:44, 29 January 2019 (UTC)
See discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Architecture#Need help finding resources. Basically, I went to a school that was originally built based on some rather wacky ideas about classroom design and since the experiment basically failed before the internet was a thing I can't find any resources about it. Beeblebrox ( talk) 02:03, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
I've just learned about Wikipedia:Short description, which includes the statements "Eventually all articles should have a short description template" and "WikiProjects may find it useful to suggest standard formats which may be applicable to categories of articles." Before I dive in to learning more myself...Has this project set any guidance or had any discussions about short descriptions yet? If not, does anyone have some experience with this template or a desire to be bold and develop some suggestions? -- Hebisddave ( talk) 14:51, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
I recently created Freedom High School (Freedom, Wisconsin) and after viewing the disambig page am curious about whether the disambig should be specific to the town, or more general to the state since there only appears to be one Freedom HS in Wisconsin. Please ping me with a response as I am not watching this page. Etzedek24 ( I'll talk at ya) ( Check my track record) 13:15, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
There is a determined editor on this page who seems to me to be going wrong on Wikipedia policy, but perhaps I am out of date. After insisting on removing a list of the headmasters, he or she is now removing citations, claiming they are not needed. Could someone from here, preferably an Admin, please spare the time to visit Talk:Oswestry School and say something in the sections at the bottom? Many thanks, Moonraker ( talk) 22:51, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
There's a new editor who is making the article a bit of a mess. I should have told her about the guidelines and will when I finish this. She's been adding copyright material and too much detail so that it looks more like a brochure. For instance, the table at Columbia International College#Residences copying the table here so that we know which halls have internet, etc.
Really weirdly, there's this: "Columbia International College currently has six single-gender residence buildings: three for males and three for females. The male residences include Oak Hall, Pine Hall<ref>{{Cite journal|last=Ris|first=M. M.|last2=Deitrich|first2=R. A.|last3=Von Wartburg|first3=J. P.|date=1975-10-15|title=Inhibition of aldehyde reductase isoenzymes in human and rat brain|url=https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18|journal=Biochemical Pharmacology|volume=24|issue=20|pages=1865–1869|issn=0006-2952|pmid=18}}</ref>," A 1975 peer reviewed article which obviously doesn't mention the school, which in any case wasn't built until 1978. Thanks Doug Weller talk 09:11, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
A new Newsletter directory has been created to replace the old, out-of-date one. If your WikiProject and its taskforces have newsletters (even inactive ones), or if you know of a missing newsletter (including from sister projects like WikiSpecies), please include it in the directory! The template can be a bit tricky, so if you need help, just post the newsletter on the template's talk page and someone will add it for you.
Computer Systems Institute is (or was?) a small, private for profit college. It lost its Title IV funding in 2016 for fraudulent student aid applications. It lost its accreditation in 2017. It's no longer listed by NCES. I suspect it is no longer active. Its web page content is still there but may be abandoned (the menu feature is dead, for example). Most of the article sourcing was to the college's own webpage. Thoughts?
There is an 'undue' section on Sex Abuse. All the events are several decades old, some of the people are dead, naming the perps is counter-BLP, one of the indictments had nothing to do with the school at the time. I'm pretty sure we don't do 'scandal' sections in school articles, but I've not been very active now for a year so I can't remember. Could John, or Clem have a look at it please so that it can be removed if that's what we usually do. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 21:30, 8 June 2019 (UTC) Done
I don't have time at the moment. I'll keep it on my watchlist and if no one else has time do it myself. Doug Weller talk 12:22, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
There are discussions currently at both Talk:Stratford Academy and Talk:First Presbyterian Day School on how to present the school's respective histories of segregation. Your participation is invited. John from Idegon ( talk) 17:51, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
Currently, the alumni list for Eton College is sorted by birthdate. However this is problematic for the following reasons:
I would like them to be sorted by what they're notable for and then by alphabetical surname, like with this.
These are the articles in question:
FoxyGrampa75 ( talk) 17:31, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
Update: Moved here. FoxyGrampa75 ( talk) 18:52, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
{{AlumniimgStartUK}}{{Alumniimg}}{{AlumniEnd}}
. At the moment they don't sort on notability, if you with to proceed with project- go ahead and the template can be modified after the data is trandfered to include that sort.Hi, folks! I started some stubs of Japanese high schools (particularly private, single-sex ones) to encourage Japanese Wikipedia users to try some editing here on ENwiki.
Note that the Japanese Wikipedia does not have the sourcing culture that we have on ENwiki. If some Japanese users start adding unsourced passages/info, please have some patience and just point them to examples of well-sourced articles on ENwiki. You may wish to involve Japan WikiProject editors too in case this happens.
Thanks, WhisperToMe ( talk) 21:54, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
List of Toronto District School Board elementary schools was originally made in April 2017 and redirected in October 2017. A couple of days ago its creator, Mattximus, restored the list - originally with just one school on it but now with 13 schools (all beginning with the letter A). I came across it while doing NPP and was the second editor reverted when attempting to restore the redirect. I have not found corresponding elementary lists for other large school districts - though obviously for smaller districts we do often include all the schools on the district page something not feasible for these larger school districts. If this list were close to complete it wouldn't necessarily bother me - we can have lists where every entry is not notable - but the combination of lack of parallel I could find and incomplete status made me turn here as there might be precedent I was unaware of and/or people who would be willing to help make the list more complete (which is Mattximus' goal). Best, Barkeep49 ( talk) 19:49, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
A discussion on the Nomenclature of Australian schools is located at WP:AWNB#Nomenclature of Australian schools. Please feel free to provide input on that page. Many thanks Rangasyd ( talk) 13:56, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Template talk:Infobox school district#Proposal to repurpose Infobox school district . Steven (Editor) ( talk) 21:00, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
There is a discussion about adding automatic short descriptions to Infobox school at Template talk:Infobox school#Automatic short descriptions which may concern the project. -- Trialpears ( talk) 11:22, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
An article related to this project, Woodridge High School Football, has been nominated for deletion. Project members are invited to participate in the discussion. -- JonRidinger ( talk) 20:33, 16 June 2019 (UTC)
Are there any editors from this WikiProject willing to maintain Portal:Schools? The Portals guideline requires that portals be maintained, and as a result numerous portals have been recently been deleted via MfD largely becasue of lack of maintenance. Let me know either way, and thanks, UnitedStatesian ( talk) 06:53, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
No photos in alumni sections: Although this discussion closed by John from Idegon with a secondary consensus not to include this in WP:WPSCH/AG, due to constant abuse I have boldly added a line in the AG to reflect the strong consensus for the RfC which reinforced the standing practice. Any editors complaining in the future about removal of images can be referred to this section of the AG. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 02:18, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:List of schools of the Dallas Independent School District#Value of the list, in general. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 03:03, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
In particular please see the above for a discussion on how lists of American primary and secondary schools belonging to a particular school districts should be structured. There are questions on whether the lists should include all primary and secondary schools or just notable schools. WhisperToMe ( talk) 23:20, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
I recently have updated Al-Hijrah School which closed last August. After entering the new information and citations, and revising verb tenses as appropriate, I checked for incoming links, and also
I'd appreciate other eyes on this article to verify I haven't missed something. Do we have guidelines or a checklist to use when a school closes? Cheers! — Grand'mere Eugene ( talk) 03:36, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
Hello and greetings from the maintainers of the WP 1.0 Bot! As you may or may not know, we are currently involved in an overhaul of the bot, in order to make it more modern and maintainable. As part of this process, we will be rewriting the web tool that is part of the project. You might have noticed this tool if you click through the links on the project assessment summary tables.
We'd like to collect information on how the current tool is used by....you! How do you yourself and the other maintainers of your project use the web tool? Which of its features do you need? How frequently do you use these features? And what features is the tool missing that would be useful to you? We have collected all of these questions at this Google form where you can leave your response. Walkerma ( talk) 04:24, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
The deletionists are having one of their famous purges of school articles - there are currently no less than 30 entries at AfD. While I admit that some of them are indeed candidates for deletion, the nominators are often blissfully ignorant of policies and guidelines and we need some help here - I can't do it all alone. See Wikipedia:WikiProject_Schools/Article_alerts for the list.
Bear in mind that some are nothing but spam for small private or cram schools, while primary (elementary) and middle middle schools are normally blanked and redirected to the school district article (US) or to the town (rest of the world) per policy. WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES provides an overview and a link to a RfC which closed with a vague closure more like 'no consensus, thus the status quo prevails' but deletionists on the rampage interpret that to mean school articles should now be deleted as often as possible. The closers nevertheless stated that AfD should not be flooded with indiscriminate cases.. FYI: John from Idegon, ClemRutter, Tedder. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 06:47, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
Seeking input on contested name change at Talk:John_Dwyer_Technology_Academy; whether or not moving to "John T. Dwyer Technology Academy violates WP:COMMONNAME. OhNoitsJamie Talk 14:01, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
This article has been subject to persistent promotional edits for over a decade by SPA and school staff. We should continue to revert any edits that are an attempt to promote this school or enhance the SEO of the Wikipedia article. Thank you for your vigilance. If the long term abuse continues, please let us know so that the article can be fully protected.. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 02:59, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
Does anyone have an idea why this article is excusively UK-centric? Three tier educatiion is the standard model in many countries. Can this article be expanded or at least moved to UK three-tier education or something appropriate. ( ClemRutter?) See also:
Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 10:07, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
We've often discussed what is relevant content for school articles. While corporal punishment is nowadays generally a thing of the past, some of us, like Clem and I, can probably relate to life in privileged schools in the UK 60 years ago (remember the UK movie If ?). While corporal punishment is nowadays generally a thing of the past, sexual abuse should always be a serious issue . However, times change and hugely historical events may not be appropriate for a Wikipedia article more than half a century later. See Xavier_College#Historical_sexual_abuse_allegations and talk. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 06:56, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
A request for comments has been posted on the Sacred Heart Preparatory talk page. Please add your thoughts, if you can. Ottoump ( talk) 04:57, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
Are there any Hungarian readers who can search for sources for Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/International Christian School of Budapest? It appears notable to me based on just what I found with a quick search in English.. Meters ( talk) 21:26, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
A quick glance using the search 'International schools in Budapest list' shows that there are 14 international schools. The comparison sites written for the American ex-pat community give a variety of links to follow. Google its name and there are 12.3 million links. The sites advertising for chaplains and teachers give detailed descriptions. They stress everything is done in English as that is the students only common language. ClemRutter ( talk) 09:29, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
Here is a link to the BETT show in London. IT teachers always went there to keep abreast of new kit, but were amazed at the range of exhibitors across the field of management and classroom practice. It is free to all- I described myself as Volunteer Schools Coordinator, and my institution as WMUK Wikipedia London. If you can it is an interesting day out. "Bett 2020 Visitor Registration". Bett Show 2020. Retrieved 25 November 2019. --- ClemRutter ( talk) 21:38, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
The input of editors regarding a content dispute at Skowhegan, Maine would be appreciated. Two editors have added the same lengthy text about a controversy involving Skowhegan High School and the Maine School Administrative District 54. Please see Talk:Skowhegan, Maine#Mascot issue. Thank you. Magnolia677 ( talk) 20:52, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
Dear WikiProject Schools, I recently left this request on the talk page of infobox school. I'd love for any of the members here to weigh in. Thanks - Chip🐺 • #TeamTrees🌳 01:24, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
An editor at West Boca Raton Community High School keeps adding long unsourced paragraphs about academies at this school, and doesn't seem to get our policies, per his response at User talk:Gilesg. - Donald Albury 18:16, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
I really can't decide to make a BOLD edit, so I'll ask here:
Does the article in the title belong in our project? I'd really like to hear others opinions. Maybe y'all will help me clarify my thoughts. John from Idegon ( talk) 09:54, 25 December 2019 (UTC)
Please join the discussion at WT:WPSCH/AG. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 02:01, 29 December 2019 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:UST Growling Tigers. — Marchjuly ( talk) 23:31, 5 January 2020 (UTC)
I'm currently doing a major revision and expansion on Kennedy High School in Richmond, California. I welcome input in the discussion page and suggestions. Thanks! JacDT ( talk) 17:57, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
Actually, I looked through your excellent editor's page. Can I use the format you used on your page? if that is sufficient, I will get it up right away. Thanks for your input. JacDT ( talk) 01:22, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
Bearian has written a useful essay giving his 7 out of ten approach for assessing school notability.-- ClemRutter ( talk) 10:14, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
Listen with Mother always used to start with the line. Are you sitting comfortably, now I'll begin. We still have 2000 plus unassessed articles but it is not that I want to start on.
I hopped over to the assessment table and it really is bottom heavy 55% of all Bs, are of low importance, with Cs it is 70%, with Starts 77% and as for Stubs 97%. Why? This is hardly the bell curve we aspire. Should we change our criteria for importance- should we make it less woolley. We could start with the premise that for a child- their school is of top importance. I certainly know that for a politician many schools have a disproportionate effect on house prices, and your chances of getting re-elected. The need to understand the school affects its importance- take Parrs Wood High School assessed as low importance, and start class. Low is not how I would describe a top state school in Didsbury, the alma mater of Lisa Nandy an aspirant future prime minister, and getting your child into Parrs Wood would be a reason to stay in Manchester- while the school I worked at would be a reason to leave, but that was of top importance being subject of DES Building bulletin 49 sbn 11 270345 3
I am looking for a measurable attribute that could be used by a wikinewbie, or a bot to balance out the list. I do UK state schools, and acknowledge that I have very little time for the childminding facilities for the sprogs of the wealthy, until that school starts impacting on the lives of the average Wikipedian- but I am not fighting that cause here and now. What could we do to make more Mid rated schools and fewer Low. A simple change is to make all schools having a capacity of over 1800/1500/1200, automatically mid. This proposal is one to start a discussion- not to die in a ditch for. The second related change is to remove as will the majority of high/secondary schools from the low criteria and replace it with as will many small high/secondary schools. In the mid criteria add Most of high/secondary schools with over 1200/1500/1800 pupils will go here , unless they have both come to national attention and are supported by WP:RS references from more than one source.
Before we start to search for a wikiinewbiefriendly method of assessing quality I distinguish been core information, peripheral information and trivia and dross. We also have to consider referencing particularly the difference between a secondary source, and primary source and a reliable primary source. I maintain that any self published material is a primary source and therefore unreliable. But if the information comes from the sections of the school website that the governing body is obliged to publish by law- should that be allowed. These are not opinions or povs but information like when the last inspection was.. number of students on free meals. Look at another scenario, by the school do we mean the local governing body, or the sponsoring trust which is legally separate. (OK in most cases they are not independent) If the controlling trust obliges the headteacher to write a statement, which is quoted by the trust to Ofsted and published verbatim in a Ofsted document- is that primary, secondary, or still primary.
Similarly, if Schoolsweek newjournal, does an exposé on a school. Routinely the school is asked to comment- is the comment we have between quotes a secondary reference, or a primary reference again. I would like to say, Documents published in a manner where they are verifiable and open to legal scrutiny are primary sources, but are admissible as references for items of fact, but not for opinions. Documents published for marketing purposes including prospectuses are primary sources but are not admissible
I don't think this is really a change, it is just codifying existing practice. St George's Academy is our Low Importance GA. If I was being picky I could question 100 or so of the 163 references as in house , and may be 40 more which come from the local paper!
However I do approve on how the article has focuses on core information- and only gives the peripheral stuff limited mention and focuses on the important information. Looking at where we go wrong WP:SCH/AG doesn't distinguish, this could be remedied by tagging the core information, and warning on which information should be downplayed. The GA should be >60% core, <30& peripheral and <10% trivia- this could be said.
All of the above is for discussion- and hopefully will encourage other editors to BOLDly join in, just please don't stay silent. ClemRutter ( talk) 23:36, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
Any chance I could get some help with massive MEATPUPPETRY at the above article? I just want them to talk. John from Idegon ( talk) 02:14, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Society Public School, Lahore
I have placed a comment on this page regarding the level of evidence tat is needed before boilerplating a AfD nomination. I have looked back at one of the policy pages and find the advice contradictory. It is almost as someone has taken an existing document, and added 'and schools' to certain sentences without checking pack on what other changes were needed in order to retain sense. I would have hoped that someone further up the wikipecking order would have checked it. -- ClemRutter ( talk) 12:28, 5 January 2020 (UTC)
ClemRutter ( talk) 23:03, 5 January 2020 (UTC)
It has been requested that the title of a related project, Wikipedia:WikiProject Universities, be changed to Wikipedia:WikiProject Universities and colleges. If you are interested, please see the relevant discussion. TSventon ( talk) 14:03, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
Consider List of presidents of the College of the Holy Cross, where Ciampi was first president #4, but was president again after #5 and then again after another few intermediate presidents' terms. Should Ciampi have separate entries for each term, or some alternate note to indicate the position of a repeated person? Should that repeated person's later entry have its own ordinal number in the list (Ciampi was #4 and also #6 and also...), or should it be some other bullet style? DMacks ( talk) 23:09, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
I have retired as lead coord of this project. 10 years is long enough. Maybe some of the regulars could get together and nudge the project into shape, starting perhaps with a newsletter, and pruning some deadwood from the vast list of members. I will hang around as an emeritus for a while so don't hesitate to ask what I have on my mental 'to do' list and never got round to. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 02:48, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
Please join the discussion at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Universities#Requested_move_18_January_2020 before the discussion is closed. The outcome could affect the way the WP:WPSCH project works and may incur some changes that will need to be made. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 03:58, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
Bank Street College of Education is an article with a practical tie to the active discussion about the boundary between WP:UNI and WP:WPSCH. That's because Bank Street is both a grad school and K–8 school. I have started a discussion on the Bank Street talk page, which I invite you to join. At heart is the question, "When the subject of an article falls under both WP:UNI and WP:WPSCH, how should the article be structured?" My proposal is to use a structure that shares sections that both wikiprojects recommend (History, Campus, External links, etc.) but then divide much of the rest of the article into two major sections – one "mini article" about the grad school and another about the children's school. Each of those sections could then follow the respective wikiproject's guidelines. I welcome your input and hope to find consensus. Thank you. -- DanielKlotz ( talk · contribs) 18:45, 8 February 2020 (UTC)