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This article is in such a miserable bad shape that it is an embarrassment for Wikipedia. Please, someone needs to review and create a more neutral article. The admins there are clearly blinded by some political or chauvinistic idea and delete without any debate. -me —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.73.69.5 ( talk • contribs) 15:53, 29 June 2006 UTC.
There are no references what so ever. Also, the article only contains a plot summary, trivia, and a small paragraph on the cultural impact. If this is all it takes to make a good article then the Clerks. page i've been working on should also be a good article. Andman8 20:50, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
At the very least large parts of article are completely unreferenced and possibly filled with original research (Requirement 2 of a GA) - we've actually agreed to tag some parts with the original research warning tag then note all the sentences that need references. Suggest delisting for now. RN 18:42, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
The Politics section of this article is biased on the current regime and completely overlooks how totalitarian the government can be. I am Ethiopian and live in Ethiopia, and have experienced this. The government did rig the elections--for example, in rural areas they would turn off the electricity so no one could see, and then take the ballot box in use and replace it with a ballot box full of votes for them. Even so, they lost 100% of the capital to the Opposition and most of the country. The protests were because the government claimed they had won, and the article makes it seem as if the protesters blew themselves up when really the government sent out the police to shoot them--how many nongovernment people in this country would have guns? The government are the ones with the ammo. If you need any more proof of how tyrannical they can be: The Prime Minister once said, in a nationallly televised speech, that if he saw anyone putting up their index and middle fingers (the "peace" sign, symbol of the Opposition) he would cut their fingers off. It was an empty threat, but it is additional proof of how totalitarian they can be. Also note that the "National Election Board" were handpicked by Meles Zenawi himself. Ana Gomez, a representative of the European Union, was the only one who complained that the elections were fraudulent and is lauded throughout the country because of this. Other inspectors hardly ventured out from the capital, which was the only place where elections were halfway fair. I know I lack sources and I apologize for that, but please try to make this article see both sides of the situation.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.55.69.122 ( talk • contribs)
Thanks for the acknowledgment...but the Axis DIDN'T have control over Ethiopia. We pride ourselves on the fact that we were never colonized.
When checking the sources for the article it is found that most are unavailable, incorrect, not in English (thereby highly unverifiable) or vague (leads to a site in general, but not the information pretaining to the article.)Also, some of the information is faulty Zero X Marquis 20:43, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
Nevertheless, some of the information cited is faulty as is and should be removed. There are proper sources that can be used to as citation, however, the writers of the page neglected to do so, and opted to use sources that were non-existent and claimed to recall them by memory. Zero X Marquis 21:17, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
Um, kay. Here are a few that pop out via a quick skim: "To this end, he fights to make up for his past." - Zero's motivation for fighting isn't explictly stated. This is interpretation.
"Zero, like many other reploids, has super strength. He can lift in excess of 3200 kg. (7040 lbs or over 3.5 tons" - Even if this were true, the source doesn't have it claim this, and in talks with the staff of the site, they disagree with the statement.
"(This has lead to a belief that originally Zero was simply a more powerful version of Bass that was loyal to Wily.) " - This is pure speculation, and should not be included (at least in the section that it is)
"It is not mentioned what happened to Bass, Wily, Mega Man or any of the other characters after Zero was released." - Sentence is too vague; Zero was released after X, this sentence implies that Zero was released upon the Earth before being sealed in a capsule, which is not the case (and if it is, citation would be needed)
"Zero probably knew that Colonel and General didn't have bad intentions, but the Hunters had ordered their disposal. While X felt guilty about having to take down these innocents, Zero did it for the mission. To his friends, though, Zero is friendly and self-sacrificing." - The move from probable to definate is inappropriate - as well, the former claim is speculation.
Almost all of those can easily be corrected, but any corrections made to the article are quickly reverted. The article also needs to be tightened up; it is plagued with redudant statements. Again, this too can easily be corrected, but again, such corrections would be reverted. The biggest problems are the references to the sources. They are sourcing general sites, which themselves are unvalidated. The information derived from the manuals is on par, but the quasi-facts taken from sources that either don't exist or are in Japanese meant to provide information for Rockman X (which are slightly different things), need to be fixed. Zero X Marquis 22:32, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
This article is lacking references for many sections, and comprises of numerous fair use images. Also it lacks a history section. Computerjoe 's talk 19:59, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
This article seems somewhat skewed towards an anti-globalist stance. It gives very little information about the potential positives of globalization. MisterCheese 05:56, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
Per the failing comment under Talk:Neo-Mitochondrial Creatures#FailedGA, I have reviewed this article and attempted to comprehend the failings presented. Unlike Zero (Mega Man) which recieved similar advice, I cannot comprehend how this doesn't explain to the reader what the creatures are and what they do. The galleries are a bit of a quibble, but I strongly suscribe to the way in which they are used rather than the fact they are used is looked down upon. Additonally, images are marked with a fair use rationale summary as appropriate. I'm under the impression this is a Good Article and reviewing the criteria should be included. Comments..? - Zero Talk 16:34, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
The article is about both a general "theory", that petroleum exploitation will reach a peak and then decrease, and an alleged mathematical model attributed to Hubbert. My criticism concerns the presentation of the latter.
The mathematical model the article refers to appears not to exist. Its assumptions and derivation are not only not included in the article, it seems impossible to find them from the references and verify them, too.
The article, as far as it is about a mathematical theory, violates WP:RS, WP:V, and includes claims that I must, having reviewed what freely available evidence I could find, consider dubious at best.
I have attempted discussion on the talk page; I asked editors who believe the article still satisfies the good article critera to come forward, but no one has.
RandomP 00:25, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
It is stated under the 'Popular culture' section of this article that ingesting bananas cannot increase levels of serotonin in the blood. However, R. Xiao et al (1998) "On the accurate measurement of serotonin in whole blood" Scand. J. Clin. Lab. Invest. 58: 505-510 find that "single and repeated ingestion of bananas, which are rich in 5-HT(serotonin), elevated 5-HT in whole blood, indicating dietary influences on platelet 5-HT". I suggest that the article is updated accordingly.
Many of the atrocities reported under this article have not been charged as war crimes nor scrutinised lawfully to determine as such. The article is deceptive in that, all atrocities reported are layed to appear prima facie as war crimes to lay persons without providing reference. An example includes the exploitation and causing reckless deaths to subjects of Korea and Taiwan without reference to their sovereignty status from no source at all. Therefore I cannot see how all this dubious composition or merely the title 'war crimes' itself could warrant the tag any longer unless it is quickly reviewed and affirmed that each reported incident is supported by atleast an implied legal scruitny and not from emotive corruptions of the word 'criminal' to express one's abhorrence of the incident.
I know one other user who would appear sympathetic, if not subscribing to my views. Philip Baird Shearer who frequently reviews the Japanese war crimes article in discussion and who proactively edits of the Allied war crimes article in order to preserve the true definition and principles of war crimes as established by war tribunal case law,international treaties and ICJ judgments. He would also suggess his unsatisfaction of the former article in the Allied War Crimes discussion page:
It's obvious that a catasrophic loss of human lives like the A-bomb should be in here. It should be noted that German and Japan war crimes articles contain un-charged atrocities under the tutelage of war crimes. I wonder if the double standard should prevail any further. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.109.211.80 ( talk • contribs) 19:36, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
His reply:
:This is an article on Allied war crimes, not Allied atricities. Which list of German war crimes are you referring to? I agree that the Japanese war crimes article needs a lot of work (you will find some of my comments on the talk page). I have spent a lot of time editing the List of war crimes putting in references and asking citations for those without references. Are you realy suggesting that this article should be degraded to to match the Japanese war crimes article. Would it not be better to alter the other articles to the same standard as this one? -- Philip Baird Shearer 23:32, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
In my opinion the article should be re-named to include a legally neutral term such as 'atrocities' and the illegal nature of the Japanese exercise of dominium over Korea and Taiwan be proven in order to preserve the 'good article' status.
203.109.211.80 16:38, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
"Atrocities" or "Crimes" if the only difference is the legal status, then many other articles refering to the word crime or criminal should be in dispute. Legality for who, and which government? The fact that some of the events are not charged legally in a tribunal does not excuse the event as non-criminal. It is clear that these event occured and are criminal in nature. A narrow definition or use of the word "Crime" would be of grave injustice. The tile should stay as is, as crime would be the most commonly used term to describe these incidents.
Hd8888 15:47, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
There's an ongoing dispute here (as well as in other Rand-related articles) over whether or not this article is POV. Constant work is being done to fix this, but much is left to be done. Very little is said of literary critique or philosophic critique, which is POV (Rand and her followers were opposed to both, though both do exist). Also, the less flattering details of Rand's affair with Branden are left out (again, more POV). -- LGagnon 15:34, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
Perl is no longer a good article because it no longer complies with criteria 4 (neutral point of view) and 5 (stability). There's a custom made POV template in the Opinion section, unless that was reverted. My first POV template at the top of the article was reverted, along with several other of my edits. Four items were reverted from the Con section of the Opinion section. My removal of the good article template was reverted ( [2] ). -Barry- 09:21, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
This has been in mediation here and it's no longer simply a matter of me against that handful of editors. The editors are at odds with the mediator too. If Perl can remain listed as a "good article" then the good article criteria page is apparently ignored and the good article lists are misleading. There needs to be some kind of enforcement by administrators or some other entity, or there should be no good article list at all. -Barry- 13:54, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
Please see also, Wikipedia:Requests for comment/-Barry- and Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2006-05-23 Perl for more information on this ongoing dispute. - Harmil 18:02, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
This article seems to of been improperly delisted a long time ago for not having images, but since those are not necessary in all instances, I don't think this should of been delisted in the first place. Though I can see a case to be made that Music in Afghanistan would probably have pictures somewhere, im not really so certain that they would be increadibly easy to access for such a country. Homestarmy 04:07, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
I don't understand the reviewer's comments and neither does another editor. Ashibaka tock 23:01, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
Lincher if your happy this article is GA the just promote it, and archive this discussion Gnangarra 13:58, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
The pyramid construction article, subsection construction method theories, has numerous errors and omissions: notably with Herodotus, ramping and levering methods. For the most part, this article will deal with techniques to lift blocks up the superstrucure, but should provide an overview of the entire process. Primarily, the consensus within the academic community is that there is good information concerning the location of the quarries, tools used to cut stone, and transportation of the stone to the monument. The unknowns revolve around the lack of information regarding the methods of moving the blocks up the superstructure. Therefore, the article should cover the general academic consensus of these well known steps then seek to explain the unknown process of moving the blocks up the pyramid.
See the rest of this statement at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Great_Pyramid_of_Giza
Result issues fixed and GA status retained, stability addressed by partial lock of article Gnangarra 09:30, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
I think this should be de-listed as a "Good" article for the following reasons:
1. #5 says it should be stable, not changing significantly from day to day. All but the last 5 of the last 50 edits happened today.
2. #4 says it should be neutral point of view. While it is extremly difficult to be neutral about something like the Holocaust, comments such as "dastardly corruption of basic human values that was the Nazi credo" and "Croatian Ustashe collecting blood of a slaughtered Serb in a small pot. Orthodox Serbs had three choices - to emigrate, convert to Catholicism or end up like this" while they may be true, are hardly neutral.
3. #3 says broad in its coverage, addressing all major aspects of the topic. The article says absolutly nothing at all about the causes of the holocaust, and does not say enough about the aftermath of it, including the founding of Israel. These (causes and effects) are really quite important aspects of the topic.
Frankly, I think the topic deserves a much better article. I realise that with the painful and controversial nature of the topic there will always be vandalism of the article, and that creating a stable article may be difficult, but my other objections would be easier to fix. If no one else fixes the article I might in the future, but right now I'm busy with other things and don't want to think so much about such a depressing topic. At any rate, I feel it should be de-listed as a good article, and am asking for review of the situation. ONUnicorn 21:00, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
discussion completed this can be archived, if there are no further concerns Gnangarra 09:30, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
This article has been listed as a GA, but I think it is woefully inadequate in that it is missing portions of his life, and the sequence of events is jumbled so badly it's very difficult to find any one bit of information from a certain time. I don't know whether or not it qualifies as a GA, but I know it needs improvement. Thanks. -- Demonesque 06:58, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
While running GAAuto this article came up. It has been listed, delisted and relisted without nomination by three separate authors over the last week. The controversy is mostly due to the references (which are quite weak). I am therefore listing it here, in the hope to resolve whether or not it qualifies for good article status. I currently have no vote on the issue. Cedars 02:29, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
In cases like this where most of the material is drawn from public domain sources it doesn't make sense, IMHO, to cite every fact that is copied from the main source. That said, a quick review shows that its referecnes could be much better formatted. It is hard to judge what a consensus might be because there has been no substantial discussion or review on the Talk Page. So overall, I guess I support Keeping it de-listed pending some work on sourcing and the resource section. Still the whole thing seems a bit odd to me. Eluchil404 02:40, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
Only one reason was left for the failing of this article, that "the bullet-pointed list of examples should be converted to normal prose." In most cases I would agree with the failing, but in the case of this particular article, I believe that the list format is the most accessible for those reading the article. If it were converted to prose, the quick access, which previously existed (the ability to just scroll down and find something you wanted in the list), would no longer exist. The reader would now be required to sift through the prose for the bit of information they required. I know from personal experience, that in many cases, the only thing that many readers want is simply to know examples of vestigial structures.-- SomeStrang e r( t| c) 12:41, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
I think the proper way to do this would be to renominate. However, I do not see any reason to fail, and I'd really like to see this article move to FA standards. It's not quite there yet, but it's the best article I've read in quite a while!
I think the immediate renomination here would be a good example of WP:IAR. I also think that there is at least one minor issue to be fixed: while the bullet-pointed list is fine, the preceding text
reads like a self-reference. Clearly the article cannot hope to list every structure that someone might consider vestigial, so replacing this with essentially "here are some examples in humans" would seem an improvement.
RandomP 13:00, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
Reinstate. Strong Support to relist this, I found the aticle interesting, well written and clear with apropriate images. Ghostieguide 07:33, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
Discussion completed article Reinstated as GA - 10:30, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
And here we are again! Passed by one User:HighwayCello and immedietly delisted by one User:Raphael1.....again, supposedly for not reflecting the POV of Muslims from first-hand Muslim sources or something, and that supposedly makes the article POV. It's been long enough since the first dispute entry on this article, so I figure we may as well revisit it again. We'd change the rules to get rid of that annoying single user veto stuff except the dispute is pretty stalemated in informal mediation, supposedly we were supposed to be having some poll on the matter, but it seems to have not yet materialized. Homestarmy 16:40, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
I just thought i'd type up here since this is looking so much like a vote, it currently looks like 11 to be a Good Article and 2 against it being a Good Article Homestarmy 22:37, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
Please consider this about Wikipedia before continuing this discussion. Gnangarra 02:36, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
this article has been Reinstated as GA Gnangarra 09:19, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
- the following excerpt is questionable if not ridiculous. The reference was brought to my attention by an article in the Guardian ( http://arts.guardian.co.uk/features/story/0,,1802426,00.html)
"In this context, it is only slightly less than astounding that a red profile image of Vladimir Lenin appears in the top center of Composition IV at least six years before his visible presence in Russia; and a blue frontal image of Adolph Hitler appears in the lower left of the 1912 improvisation for Composition VI titled Deluge I--nine years before Hitler is named Fuhrer of the German Nazi Party."
Can we seriously believe the abstract form in paintings from 1911 and 1912 are Lenin and Hitler respectively? I thereby suggest the article be reviewed.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Cdelutz ( talk • contribs)
Comment I have delisted article from GA and adjusted template on page Gnangarra 14:35, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
Although it is considered one of the most influential films of all time, the article is written as if the subject were the greatest thing of all mankind. I'm not saying the negative aspects must be pointed out; it's just that the article seems ridiculously POV. Ohyeahmormons 16:46, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
The Dallas article failed the following listed criteria of WP:WIAGA.
1. It is well written. In this respect:
2. It is factually accurate and verifiable. In this respect:
3. It is broad in its coverage, addressing all major aspects of the topic (this requirement is slightly weaker than the "comprehensiveness" required by WP:FAC, and allows shorter articles and broad overviews of large topics to be listed);.
This article has some "citation needed" tag throughout the article. I am not saying it lacks sources, but there are claims that need to have references. The lead section does not summarize the article at all. All there is in the lead section is how big Dallas and its metropolitan area are. Overall, lead section is does not have any breadth on Dallas and is too short for an article of its size. The article body is not "broad in its coverage". The government section is a stub and doesn't have anything about the city's politics. This section is incomplete. The economy section doesn't really say anything about the city's economy�it's past, present, and future. All there is in the economy section is what companies are located in Dallas and its metro area. The Copyeditor 04:16, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
This discussion appears completed if there are no object I'll archive this discussion in 2 days
Gnangarra 14:53, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
result:Delisted This article under went a very bold and agressive edit by an experienced editor while it was listed for PR. The edits were not the result of any suggestions from PR and occured witout discussion on the article talk page. These edits have added more information on his early life(1950's), apositive. The problem is they have also removed/reduced significant details on his more recent activities and achievements(1990's). There has been added an irrelevant image with questionable copyright, as well a definately copyrighted image with a fair use claim. Gnangarra 15:11, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
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This article is in such a miserable bad shape that it is an embarrassment for Wikipedia. Please, someone needs to review and create a more neutral article. The admins there are clearly blinded by some political or chauvinistic idea and delete without any debate. -me —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.73.69.5 ( talk • contribs) 15:53, 29 June 2006 UTC.
There are no references what so ever. Also, the article only contains a plot summary, trivia, and a small paragraph on the cultural impact. If this is all it takes to make a good article then the Clerks. page i've been working on should also be a good article. Andman8 20:50, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
At the very least large parts of article are completely unreferenced and possibly filled with original research (Requirement 2 of a GA) - we've actually agreed to tag some parts with the original research warning tag then note all the sentences that need references. Suggest delisting for now. RN 18:42, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
The Politics section of this article is biased on the current regime and completely overlooks how totalitarian the government can be. I am Ethiopian and live in Ethiopia, and have experienced this. The government did rig the elections--for example, in rural areas they would turn off the electricity so no one could see, and then take the ballot box in use and replace it with a ballot box full of votes for them. Even so, they lost 100% of the capital to the Opposition and most of the country. The protests were because the government claimed they had won, and the article makes it seem as if the protesters blew themselves up when really the government sent out the police to shoot them--how many nongovernment people in this country would have guns? The government are the ones with the ammo. If you need any more proof of how tyrannical they can be: The Prime Minister once said, in a nationallly televised speech, that if he saw anyone putting up their index and middle fingers (the "peace" sign, symbol of the Opposition) he would cut their fingers off. It was an empty threat, but it is additional proof of how totalitarian they can be. Also note that the "National Election Board" were handpicked by Meles Zenawi himself. Ana Gomez, a representative of the European Union, was the only one who complained that the elections were fraudulent and is lauded throughout the country because of this. Other inspectors hardly ventured out from the capital, which was the only place where elections were halfway fair. I know I lack sources and I apologize for that, but please try to make this article see both sides of the situation.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.55.69.122 ( talk • contribs)
Thanks for the acknowledgment...but the Axis DIDN'T have control over Ethiopia. We pride ourselves on the fact that we were never colonized.
When checking the sources for the article it is found that most are unavailable, incorrect, not in English (thereby highly unverifiable) or vague (leads to a site in general, but not the information pretaining to the article.)Also, some of the information is faulty Zero X Marquis 20:43, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
Nevertheless, some of the information cited is faulty as is and should be removed. There are proper sources that can be used to as citation, however, the writers of the page neglected to do so, and opted to use sources that were non-existent and claimed to recall them by memory. Zero X Marquis 21:17, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
Um, kay. Here are a few that pop out via a quick skim: "To this end, he fights to make up for his past." - Zero's motivation for fighting isn't explictly stated. This is interpretation.
"Zero, like many other reploids, has super strength. He can lift in excess of 3200 kg. (7040 lbs or over 3.5 tons" - Even if this were true, the source doesn't have it claim this, and in talks with the staff of the site, they disagree with the statement.
"(This has lead to a belief that originally Zero was simply a more powerful version of Bass that was loyal to Wily.) " - This is pure speculation, and should not be included (at least in the section that it is)
"It is not mentioned what happened to Bass, Wily, Mega Man or any of the other characters after Zero was released." - Sentence is too vague; Zero was released after X, this sentence implies that Zero was released upon the Earth before being sealed in a capsule, which is not the case (and if it is, citation would be needed)
"Zero probably knew that Colonel and General didn't have bad intentions, but the Hunters had ordered their disposal. While X felt guilty about having to take down these innocents, Zero did it for the mission. To his friends, though, Zero is friendly and self-sacrificing." - The move from probable to definate is inappropriate - as well, the former claim is speculation.
Almost all of those can easily be corrected, but any corrections made to the article are quickly reverted. The article also needs to be tightened up; it is plagued with redudant statements. Again, this too can easily be corrected, but again, such corrections would be reverted. The biggest problems are the references to the sources. They are sourcing general sites, which themselves are unvalidated. The information derived from the manuals is on par, but the quasi-facts taken from sources that either don't exist or are in Japanese meant to provide information for Rockman X (which are slightly different things), need to be fixed. Zero X Marquis 22:32, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
This article is lacking references for many sections, and comprises of numerous fair use images. Also it lacks a history section. Computerjoe 's talk 19:59, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
This article seems somewhat skewed towards an anti-globalist stance. It gives very little information about the potential positives of globalization. MisterCheese 05:56, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
Per the failing comment under Talk:Neo-Mitochondrial Creatures#FailedGA, I have reviewed this article and attempted to comprehend the failings presented. Unlike Zero (Mega Man) which recieved similar advice, I cannot comprehend how this doesn't explain to the reader what the creatures are and what they do. The galleries are a bit of a quibble, but I strongly suscribe to the way in which they are used rather than the fact they are used is looked down upon. Additonally, images are marked with a fair use rationale summary as appropriate. I'm under the impression this is a Good Article and reviewing the criteria should be included. Comments..? - Zero Talk 16:34, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
The article is about both a general "theory", that petroleum exploitation will reach a peak and then decrease, and an alleged mathematical model attributed to Hubbert. My criticism concerns the presentation of the latter.
The mathematical model the article refers to appears not to exist. Its assumptions and derivation are not only not included in the article, it seems impossible to find them from the references and verify them, too.
The article, as far as it is about a mathematical theory, violates WP:RS, WP:V, and includes claims that I must, having reviewed what freely available evidence I could find, consider dubious at best.
I have attempted discussion on the talk page; I asked editors who believe the article still satisfies the good article critera to come forward, but no one has.
RandomP 00:25, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
It is stated under the 'Popular culture' section of this article that ingesting bananas cannot increase levels of serotonin in the blood. However, R. Xiao et al (1998) "On the accurate measurement of serotonin in whole blood" Scand. J. Clin. Lab. Invest. 58: 505-510 find that "single and repeated ingestion of bananas, which are rich in 5-HT(serotonin), elevated 5-HT in whole blood, indicating dietary influences on platelet 5-HT". I suggest that the article is updated accordingly.
Many of the atrocities reported under this article have not been charged as war crimes nor scrutinised lawfully to determine as such. The article is deceptive in that, all atrocities reported are layed to appear prima facie as war crimes to lay persons without providing reference. An example includes the exploitation and causing reckless deaths to subjects of Korea and Taiwan without reference to their sovereignty status from no source at all. Therefore I cannot see how all this dubious composition or merely the title 'war crimes' itself could warrant the tag any longer unless it is quickly reviewed and affirmed that each reported incident is supported by atleast an implied legal scruitny and not from emotive corruptions of the word 'criminal' to express one's abhorrence of the incident.
I know one other user who would appear sympathetic, if not subscribing to my views. Philip Baird Shearer who frequently reviews the Japanese war crimes article in discussion and who proactively edits of the Allied war crimes article in order to preserve the true definition and principles of war crimes as established by war tribunal case law,international treaties and ICJ judgments. He would also suggess his unsatisfaction of the former article in the Allied War Crimes discussion page:
It's obvious that a catasrophic loss of human lives like the A-bomb should be in here. It should be noted that German and Japan war crimes articles contain un-charged atrocities under the tutelage of war crimes. I wonder if the double standard should prevail any further. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.109.211.80 ( talk • contribs) 19:36, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
His reply:
:This is an article on Allied war crimes, not Allied atricities. Which list of German war crimes are you referring to? I agree that the Japanese war crimes article needs a lot of work (you will find some of my comments on the talk page). I have spent a lot of time editing the List of war crimes putting in references and asking citations for those without references. Are you realy suggesting that this article should be degraded to to match the Japanese war crimes article. Would it not be better to alter the other articles to the same standard as this one? -- Philip Baird Shearer 23:32, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
In my opinion the article should be re-named to include a legally neutral term such as 'atrocities' and the illegal nature of the Japanese exercise of dominium over Korea and Taiwan be proven in order to preserve the 'good article' status.
203.109.211.80 16:38, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
"Atrocities" or "Crimes" if the only difference is the legal status, then many other articles refering to the word crime or criminal should be in dispute. Legality for who, and which government? The fact that some of the events are not charged legally in a tribunal does not excuse the event as non-criminal. It is clear that these event occured and are criminal in nature. A narrow definition or use of the word "Crime" would be of grave injustice. The tile should stay as is, as crime would be the most commonly used term to describe these incidents.
Hd8888 15:47, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
There's an ongoing dispute here (as well as in other Rand-related articles) over whether or not this article is POV. Constant work is being done to fix this, but much is left to be done. Very little is said of literary critique or philosophic critique, which is POV (Rand and her followers were opposed to both, though both do exist). Also, the less flattering details of Rand's affair with Branden are left out (again, more POV). -- LGagnon 15:34, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
Perl is no longer a good article because it no longer complies with criteria 4 (neutral point of view) and 5 (stability). There's a custom made POV template in the Opinion section, unless that was reverted. My first POV template at the top of the article was reverted, along with several other of my edits. Four items were reverted from the Con section of the Opinion section. My removal of the good article template was reverted ( [2] ). -Barry- 09:21, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
This has been in mediation here and it's no longer simply a matter of me against that handful of editors. The editors are at odds with the mediator too. If Perl can remain listed as a "good article" then the good article criteria page is apparently ignored and the good article lists are misleading. There needs to be some kind of enforcement by administrators or some other entity, or there should be no good article list at all. -Barry- 13:54, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
Please see also, Wikipedia:Requests for comment/-Barry- and Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2006-05-23 Perl for more information on this ongoing dispute. - Harmil 18:02, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
This article seems to of been improperly delisted a long time ago for not having images, but since those are not necessary in all instances, I don't think this should of been delisted in the first place. Though I can see a case to be made that Music in Afghanistan would probably have pictures somewhere, im not really so certain that they would be increadibly easy to access for such a country. Homestarmy 04:07, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
I don't understand the reviewer's comments and neither does another editor. Ashibaka tock 23:01, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
Lincher if your happy this article is GA the just promote it, and archive this discussion Gnangarra 13:58, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
The pyramid construction article, subsection construction method theories, has numerous errors and omissions: notably with Herodotus, ramping and levering methods. For the most part, this article will deal with techniques to lift blocks up the superstrucure, but should provide an overview of the entire process. Primarily, the consensus within the academic community is that there is good information concerning the location of the quarries, tools used to cut stone, and transportation of the stone to the monument. The unknowns revolve around the lack of information regarding the methods of moving the blocks up the superstructure. Therefore, the article should cover the general academic consensus of these well known steps then seek to explain the unknown process of moving the blocks up the pyramid.
See the rest of this statement at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Great_Pyramid_of_Giza
Result issues fixed and GA status retained, stability addressed by partial lock of article Gnangarra 09:30, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
I think this should be de-listed as a "Good" article for the following reasons:
1. #5 says it should be stable, not changing significantly from day to day. All but the last 5 of the last 50 edits happened today.
2. #4 says it should be neutral point of view. While it is extremly difficult to be neutral about something like the Holocaust, comments such as "dastardly corruption of basic human values that was the Nazi credo" and "Croatian Ustashe collecting blood of a slaughtered Serb in a small pot. Orthodox Serbs had three choices - to emigrate, convert to Catholicism or end up like this" while they may be true, are hardly neutral.
3. #3 says broad in its coverage, addressing all major aspects of the topic. The article says absolutly nothing at all about the causes of the holocaust, and does not say enough about the aftermath of it, including the founding of Israel. These (causes and effects) are really quite important aspects of the topic.
Frankly, I think the topic deserves a much better article. I realise that with the painful and controversial nature of the topic there will always be vandalism of the article, and that creating a stable article may be difficult, but my other objections would be easier to fix. If no one else fixes the article I might in the future, but right now I'm busy with other things and don't want to think so much about such a depressing topic. At any rate, I feel it should be de-listed as a good article, and am asking for review of the situation. ONUnicorn 21:00, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
discussion completed this can be archived, if there are no further concerns Gnangarra 09:30, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
This article has been listed as a GA, but I think it is woefully inadequate in that it is missing portions of his life, and the sequence of events is jumbled so badly it's very difficult to find any one bit of information from a certain time. I don't know whether or not it qualifies as a GA, but I know it needs improvement. Thanks. -- Demonesque 06:58, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
While running GAAuto this article came up. It has been listed, delisted and relisted without nomination by three separate authors over the last week. The controversy is mostly due to the references (which are quite weak). I am therefore listing it here, in the hope to resolve whether or not it qualifies for good article status. I currently have no vote on the issue. Cedars 02:29, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
In cases like this where most of the material is drawn from public domain sources it doesn't make sense, IMHO, to cite every fact that is copied from the main source. That said, a quick review shows that its referecnes could be much better formatted. It is hard to judge what a consensus might be because there has been no substantial discussion or review on the Talk Page. So overall, I guess I support Keeping it de-listed pending some work on sourcing and the resource section. Still the whole thing seems a bit odd to me. Eluchil404 02:40, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
Only one reason was left for the failing of this article, that "the bullet-pointed list of examples should be converted to normal prose." In most cases I would agree with the failing, but in the case of this particular article, I believe that the list format is the most accessible for those reading the article. If it were converted to prose, the quick access, which previously existed (the ability to just scroll down and find something you wanted in the list), would no longer exist. The reader would now be required to sift through the prose for the bit of information they required. I know from personal experience, that in many cases, the only thing that many readers want is simply to know examples of vestigial structures.-- SomeStrang e r( t| c) 12:41, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
I think the proper way to do this would be to renominate. However, I do not see any reason to fail, and I'd really like to see this article move to FA standards. It's not quite there yet, but it's the best article I've read in quite a while!
I think the immediate renomination here would be a good example of WP:IAR. I also think that there is at least one minor issue to be fixed: while the bullet-pointed list is fine, the preceding text
reads like a self-reference. Clearly the article cannot hope to list every structure that someone might consider vestigial, so replacing this with essentially "here are some examples in humans" would seem an improvement.
RandomP 13:00, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
Reinstate. Strong Support to relist this, I found the aticle interesting, well written and clear with apropriate images. Ghostieguide 07:33, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
Discussion completed article Reinstated as GA - 10:30, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
And here we are again! Passed by one User:HighwayCello and immedietly delisted by one User:Raphael1.....again, supposedly for not reflecting the POV of Muslims from first-hand Muslim sources or something, and that supposedly makes the article POV. It's been long enough since the first dispute entry on this article, so I figure we may as well revisit it again. We'd change the rules to get rid of that annoying single user veto stuff except the dispute is pretty stalemated in informal mediation, supposedly we were supposed to be having some poll on the matter, but it seems to have not yet materialized. Homestarmy 16:40, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
I just thought i'd type up here since this is looking so much like a vote, it currently looks like 11 to be a Good Article and 2 against it being a Good Article Homestarmy 22:37, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
Please consider this about Wikipedia before continuing this discussion. Gnangarra 02:36, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
this article has been Reinstated as GA Gnangarra 09:19, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
- the following excerpt is questionable if not ridiculous. The reference was brought to my attention by an article in the Guardian ( http://arts.guardian.co.uk/features/story/0,,1802426,00.html)
"In this context, it is only slightly less than astounding that a red profile image of Vladimir Lenin appears in the top center of Composition IV at least six years before his visible presence in Russia; and a blue frontal image of Adolph Hitler appears in the lower left of the 1912 improvisation for Composition VI titled Deluge I--nine years before Hitler is named Fuhrer of the German Nazi Party."
Can we seriously believe the abstract form in paintings from 1911 and 1912 are Lenin and Hitler respectively? I thereby suggest the article be reviewed.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Cdelutz ( talk • contribs)
Comment I have delisted article from GA and adjusted template on page Gnangarra 14:35, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
Although it is considered one of the most influential films of all time, the article is written as if the subject were the greatest thing of all mankind. I'm not saying the negative aspects must be pointed out; it's just that the article seems ridiculously POV. Ohyeahmormons 16:46, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
The Dallas article failed the following listed criteria of WP:WIAGA.
1. It is well written. In this respect:
2. It is factually accurate and verifiable. In this respect:
3. It is broad in its coverage, addressing all major aspects of the topic (this requirement is slightly weaker than the "comprehensiveness" required by WP:FAC, and allows shorter articles and broad overviews of large topics to be listed);.
This article has some "citation needed" tag throughout the article. I am not saying it lacks sources, but there are claims that need to have references. The lead section does not summarize the article at all. All there is in the lead section is how big Dallas and its metropolitan area are. Overall, lead section is does not have any breadth on Dallas and is too short for an article of its size. The article body is not "broad in its coverage". The government section is a stub and doesn't have anything about the city's politics. This section is incomplete. The economy section doesn't really say anything about the city's economy�it's past, present, and future. All there is in the economy section is what companies are located in Dallas and its metro area. The Copyeditor 04:16, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
This discussion appears completed if there are no object I'll archive this discussion in 2 days
Gnangarra 14:53, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
result:Delisted This article under went a very bold and agressive edit by an experienced editor while it was listed for PR. The edits were not the result of any suggestions from PR and occured witout discussion on the article talk page. These edits have added more information on his early life(1950's), apositive. The problem is they have also removed/reduced significant details on his more recent activities and achievements(1990's). There has been added an irrelevant image with questionable copyright, as well a definately copyrighted image with a fair use claim. Gnangarra 15:11, 21 June 2006 (UTC)