Disagree with decision not to list this as a good article, as per comments at Talk:Peterborough local elections#Good article nomination (3). Chrisieboy ( talk) 17:10, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
Comment. I don't think the diffs between GANs demonstrate a "reluctance to improve" the article and many of the earlier reviewer's comments have in fact been addressed. However, I do not agree with some of the objections that have been raised in this review.
In particular, (1) the statement Although the powers of the Mayor have diminished over time, the role has retained its importance is hardly controversial and the very next sentence is followed by a ref. which supports the whole paragraph. I do not think this is just cause to fail under criteria 2a. (2) A list of civil parishes is not "unnecessesary detail" in an article about local elections. Parish councils are elected; and (3) I cannot accept that "it does not represent viewpoints fairly and without bias. Please consider rewriting the political control section." I have taken great care, in tone and use of language, to present the material in an encyclopedic manner here.
I believe the article meets the six criteria and therefore support it's listing; although I welcome the opportunity for discussion and resolution here. At a minimum I think it would have been only fair to have placed the nomination on hold. Chrisieboy ( talk) 01:36, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
Comment- I did not point to diffs, but actually to the fact the article has been on GAN for so long, and that based on a previous reviewer's experience (put it on hold for a week, but no one stepped forward to correct the problem(s) ), I thought it would be better to fail it, with the clear assumption that no one was looking after it... and yeah, apparently there were people looking after the article, proving my assumption was wrong. Anyway, how much the article has improved since its last GAN? Has anyone tried to address my concerns? and more importantly: Do you think it deserves GA status?? I think we should answer these questions before we point fingers at the "inexperienced editor".
Second, (1) I still think this important phrase needs sourcing, so that you do not get people on your back demanding its removal, it is clearly a POV, do not you agree? (2) A list of perishes could be put in a table perhaps (I NEVER said it was an unnecessary detail, but rather shortening it and making it more relevant) to make it neater, or might I dare saying putting it in a different article with a link (if there is no article already). (3) You did a great job there, but here is my concern :
Cllr. Abdul Razaq (Central)...... Cabinet Member for Efficiency and Business Improvement.
That paragraph might need a bit of work there. Also, other point which I have mentioned in the review:(a) addresses the major aspects of the topic; Fail, The article should provide a broader historical background and relate more to the public and local sentiment
Kind regards; Λua∫ Wi se ( talk) 10:11, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
(edit conflict) That would be my preferred option if others are in agreement. I am willing to have some dialogue and to try to reach a consensus though. It is clear to me that Auawise has acted in good faith. I am not suggesting this is suitable for FAC, but it is essentially a good article. Given the dynamic nature of this project and the subject-matter it will continue to evolve even if promoted. Chrisieboy ( talk) 21:44, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
Disagree with decision not to list this as a good article, as per comments at Talk:Peterborough local elections#Good article nomination (3). Chrisieboy ( talk) 17:10, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
Comment. I don't think the diffs between GANs demonstrate a "reluctance to improve" the article and many of the earlier reviewer's comments have in fact been addressed. However, I do not agree with some of the objections that have been raised in this review.
In particular, (1) the statement Although the powers of the Mayor have diminished over time, the role has retained its importance is hardly controversial and the very next sentence is followed by a ref. which supports the whole paragraph. I do not think this is just cause to fail under criteria 2a. (2) A list of civil parishes is not "unnecessesary detail" in an article about local elections. Parish councils are elected; and (3) I cannot accept that "it does not represent viewpoints fairly and without bias. Please consider rewriting the political control section." I have taken great care, in tone and use of language, to present the material in an encyclopedic manner here.
I believe the article meets the six criteria and therefore support it's listing; although I welcome the opportunity for discussion and resolution here. At a minimum I think it would have been only fair to have placed the nomination on hold. Chrisieboy ( talk) 01:36, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
Comment- I did not point to diffs, but actually to the fact the article has been on GAN for so long, and that based on a previous reviewer's experience (put it on hold for a week, but no one stepped forward to correct the problem(s) ), I thought it would be better to fail it, with the clear assumption that no one was looking after it... and yeah, apparently there were people looking after the article, proving my assumption was wrong. Anyway, how much the article has improved since its last GAN? Has anyone tried to address my concerns? and more importantly: Do you think it deserves GA status?? I think we should answer these questions before we point fingers at the "inexperienced editor".
Second, (1) I still think this important phrase needs sourcing, so that you do not get people on your back demanding its removal, it is clearly a POV, do not you agree? (2) A list of perishes could be put in a table perhaps (I NEVER said it was an unnecessary detail, but rather shortening it and making it more relevant) to make it neater, or might I dare saying putting it in a different article with a link (if there is no article already). (3) You did a great job there, but here is my concern :
Cllr. Abdul Razaq (Central)...... Cabinet Member for Efficiency and Business Improvement.
That paragraph might need a bit of work there. Also, other point which I have mentioned in the review:(a) addresses the major aspects of the topic; Fail, The article should provide a broader historical background and relate more to the public and local sentiment
Kind regards; Λua∫ Wi se ( talk) 10:11, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
(edit conflict) That would be my preferred option if others are in agreement. I am willing to have some dialogue and to try to reach a consensus though. It is clear to me that Auawise has acted in good faith. I am not suggesting this is suitable for FAC, but it is essentially a good article. Given the dynamic nature of this project and the subject-matter it will continue to evolve even if promoted. Chrisieboy ( talk) 21:44, 25 January 2008 (UTC)