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17 July 2019

The following is an archived debate of the deletion review of the page above. Please do not modify it.
Martin Concepcion ( talk| | history| logs| links| watch) ( XfD| restore)

AfD resulted in delete but the page has since been re-created. Speedy deletion was declined with the reason given that the original AfD was marginal -- there was a mix of opinions that didn't result in an entirely clear consensus. I am neutral on keep/delete, but would like clarity regarding the notability of this page. Paisarepa ( talk) 17:00, 17 July 2019 (UTC) reply

Second AfD. Paisarepa was correctly following policy to tag G4, but the original AfD was a bit sparse. In particular, the keep !vote from Michig, where he backed his rationale with multiple sources, against a handful of delete !votes of variations of "just not notable" led me to feel the AfD needed to run for a further week to cement a consensus against that. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 18:09, 17 July 2019 (UTC) reply
@ Ritchie333: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Martin Concepcion (2nd nomination). – MJLTalk 18:12, 17 July 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Comment on second AfD I can't tell since I can't access the history, but if this is a substantially similar article, than the WP:G4 should not have been declined. Perhaps it's moot with the new AfD, but is it possible to temp undelete history for a currently existing article? SportingFlyer T· C 19:36, 17 July 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Thank you. DRV aside, the WP:G4 should have applied for the new edition of the article - it's not the same, but it's substantially similar, and most importantly it doesn't appear to have anything added to it. If I were Wikipedia dictator, I would delete the current article on WP:G4 grounds, void the current AfD, and endorse the original AfD as a correct close. SportingFlyer T· C 20:18, 17 July 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Endorse old AfD I might have voted differently had I participated, but a delete was a reasonable reading of the discussion, especially since the !votes broke delete after the sources presented by Michig were identified. SportingFlyer T· C 19:40, 17 July 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Endorse but/and Let the Second AFD Run and throw out any !votes from suckpoppets. Robert McClenon ( talk) 02:39, 18 July 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Endorse and close this discussion. I think we should have an article on this subject, but the close of the first AfD as delete wasn't unreasonable. So there's no case for DRV. The speedy deletion tag shouldn't have been removed as this is a clear case for G4 deletion, and this shouldn't be at DRV unless someone comes up with a cogent argument that the original AfD closure was incorrect. -- Michig ( talk) 06:09, 18 July 2019 (UTC) reply
The above is an archive of the deletion review of the page listed in the heading. Please do not modify it.
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

17 July 2019

The following is an archived debate of the deletion review of the page above. Please do not modify it.
Martin Concepcion ( talk| | history| logs| links| watch) ( XfD| restore)

AfD resulted in delete but the page has since been re-created. Speedy deletion was declined with the reason given that the original AfD was marginal -- there was a mix of opinions that didn't result in an entirely clear consensus. I am neutral on keep/delete, but would like clarity regarding the notability of this page. Paisarepa ( talk) 17:00, 17 July 2019 (UTC) reply

Second AfD. Paisarepa was correctly following policy to tag G4, but the original AfD was a bit sparse. In particular, the keep !vote from Michig, where he backed his rationale with multiple sources, against a handful of delete !votes of variations of "just not notable" led me to feel the AfD needed to run for a further week to cement a consensus against that. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 18:09, 17 July 2019 (UTC) reply
@ Ritchie333: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Martin Concepcion (2nd nomination). – MJLTalk 18:12, 17 July 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Comment on second AfD I can't tell since I can't access the history, but if this is a substantially similar article, than the WP:G4 should not have been declined. Perhaps it's moot with the new AfD, but is it possible to temp undelete history for a currently existing article? SportingFlyer T· C 19:36, 17 July 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Thank you. DRV aside, the WP:G4 should have applied for the new edition of the article - it's not the same, but it's substantially similar, and most importantly it doesn't appear to have anything added to it. If I were Wikipedia dictator, I would delete the current article on WP:G4 grounds, void the current AfD, and endorse the original AfD as a correct close. SportingFlyer T· C 20:18, 17 July 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Endorse old AfD I might have voted differently had I participated, but a delete was a reasonable reading of the discussion, especially since the !votes broke delete after the sources presented by Michig were identified. SportingFlyer T· C 19:40, 17 July 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Endorse but/and Let the Second AFD Run and throw out any !votes from suckpoppets. Robert McClenon ( talk) 02:39, 18 July 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Endorse and close this discussion. I think we should have an article on this subject, but the close of the first AfD as delete wasn't unreasonable. So there's no case for DRV. The speedy deletion tag shouldn't have been removed as this is a clear case for G4 deletion, and this shouldn't be at DRV unless someone comes up with a cogent argument that the original AfD closure was incorrect. -- Michig ( talk) 06:09, 18 July 2019 (UTC) reply
The above is an archive of the deletion review of the page listed in the heading. Please do not modify it.

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