The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
Category:Museums of Japanese culture abroad in the United States
The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
Nominator's rationale:Abroad and in the United States are redundant.
Place Clichy (
talk) 12:50, 25 October 2023 (UTC)reply
Rename, US implies abroad, no need to add that explicitly.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 16:29, 25 October 2023 (UTC)reply
The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
Category:Emigrants from the Duchy of Prussia
The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
Nominator's rationale: overlapping category where regime isn't defining. It's also worth considering a rename to Prussian emigrants.
Mason (
talk) 04:31, 25 October 2023 (UTC)reply
Just delete, including the subcategory, the
duchy of Prussia was a Polish fief, it is silly to call this emigration.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 05:32, 25 October 2023 (UTC)reply
Just delete, including the subcategory. An over-enthusiastic creation.
Place Clichy (
talk) 12:55, 25 October 2023 (UTC)reply
I really like this characterization: "over-enthusiastic creation"
Mason (
talk) 18:07, 25 October 2023 (UTC)reply
(Also I'm fine with deleting.)
Mason (
talk) 03:52, 28 October 2023 (UTC)reply
The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
Category:People from Dahomey
The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
Nominator's rationale: underpopulated categories with only two people in it. Further it's unclear whether the category is for People from
French Dahomey or
Kingdom of DahomeyMason (
talk) 04:10, 25 October 2023 (UTC)reply
Dual merge also to
Category:People of French West Africa. The three (!) people in this entire category tree are all related to colonial French Dahomey. Also note that the country was also named Dahomey after the 1960 independence (until the 1980s IIRC), and people from that era are all categorized under Beninese.
Place Clichy (
talk) 12:58, 25 October 2023 (UTC)reply
Support the dual merfe. Thanks @
Place Clichy for doing some more digging into the nuances of Dahomey :)
Mason (
talk) 03:55, 28 October 2023 (UTC)reply
The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
Category:Emigrants from Portuguese Timor to Macau
The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
Nominator's rationale: Only member of the category doesn't belong in the category.
Pedro José Lobo "On January 12, 1892, Pedro José Lobo was born in Manatuto, in Timor-Leste. "
Mason (
talk) 13:14, 17 October 2023 (UTC)reply
Delete without merging. Article
Pedro José Lobo was already a Portuguese national of Macanese background (in the ethnic sense of the mixed Chinese-Portuguese population that represents a small fraction of Macau's population). He was born in then-Portuguese Timor and lived most of his life in Macau. I don't believe that emigrant or diaspora apply in this case.
Place Clichy (
talk) 23:07, 17 October 2023 (UTC)reply
@
Place Clichy: if e.g. his grandparents migrated from Macao to Timor (which is not clear from the article) the term "emigrant" still applies.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 06:12, 18 October 2023 (UTC)reply
They were the same country at the time. You're not a migrant when you move from the Azores to Madeira. But in fact, as you put it, we don't know much about it.
Place Clichy (
talk) 09:06, 18 October 2023 (UTC)reply
I would regard a move from one colony to another colony still a form of emigration even if the colonizing country is the same for both colonies.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 20:56, 18 October 2023 (UTC)reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,
HouseBlastertalk 02:32, 25 October 2023 (UTC)reply
@
Marcocapelle: I think I would regard a move in that situation as an emigration mostly if the person is defined as a national of the departure country/colony before the move, and of the arrival country/colony after it. If they are better defined from the beginning as a national of either the colonizing country or the place of arrival, then I find emigrant not applicable.
Pedro José Lobo is in the latter case, as he is clearly presented as first and foremost a Portuguese, of Macanese ethnicity, with roots in Macau, and no link specified to Timor besides the POB. A comparable situation is the case of children of US military people born on a US base in Germany during their parents' sometimes short tour there (there's a number of them). They're just American, not immigrants from West Germany.
Place Clichy (
talk) 10:06, 26 October 2023 (UTC)reply
Admittedly these are special circumstances and I will no longer oppose deletion.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 19:31, 26 October 2023 (UTC)reply
The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
Category:Actresses from the Colony of New South Wales
The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
Nominator's rationale: overlapping category. I don't think that the intersection between regime + occupation is defining for Actresses
Mason (
talk) 02:28, 25 October 2023 (UTC)reply
Dual merge per Marcocapelle. It seems that Colony of New South Wales is defining for the 2 articles there, as they were active mostly during this period.
Place Clichy (
talk) 10:09, 26 October 2023 (UTC)reply
The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
Category:Museums of Japanese culture abroad in the United States
The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
Nominator's rationale:Abroad and in the United States are redundant.
Place Clichy (
talk) 12:50, 25 October 2023 (UTC)reply
Rename, US implies abroad, no need to add that explicitly.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 16:29, 25 October 2023 (UTC)reply
The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
Category:Emigrants from the Duchy of Prussia
The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
Nominator's rationale: overlapping category where regime isn't defining. It's also worth considering a rename to Prussian emigrants.
Mason (
talk) 04:31, 25 October 2023 (UTC)reply
Just delete, including the subcategory, the
duchy of Prussia was a Polish fief, it is silly to call this emigration.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 05:32, 25 October 2023 (UTC)reply
Just delete, including the subcategory. An over-enthusiastic creation.
Place Clichy (
talk) 12:55, 25 October 2023 (UTC)reply
I really like this characterization: "over-enthusiastic creation"
Mason (
talk) 18:07, 25 October 2023 (UTC)reply
(Also I'm fine with deleting.)
Mason (
talk) 03:52, 28 October 2023 (UTC)reply
The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
Category:People from Dahomey
The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
Nominator's rationale: underpopulated categories with only two people in it. Further it's unclear whether the category is for People from
French Dahomey or
Kingdom of DahomeyMason (
talk) 04:10, 25 October 2023 (UTC)reply
Dual merge also to
Category:People of French West Africa. The three (!) people in this entire category tree are all related to colonial French Dahomey. Also note that the country was also named Dahomey after the 1960 independence (until the 1980s IIRC), and people from that era are all categorized under Beninese.
Place Clichy (
talk) 12:58, 25 October 2023 (UTC)reply
Support the dual merfe. Thanks @
Place Clichy for doing some more digging into the nuances of Dahomey :)
Mason (
talk) 03:55, 28 October 2023 (UTC)reply
The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
Category:Emigrants from Portuguese Timor to Macau
The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
Nominator's rationale: Only member of the category doesn't belong in the category.
Pedro José Lobo "On January 12, 1892, Pedro José Lobo was born in Manatuto, in Timor-Leste. "
Mason (
talk) 13:14, 17 October 2023 (UTC)reply
Delete without merging. Article
Pedro José Lobo was already a Portuguese national of Macanese background (in the ethnic sense of the mixed Chinese-Portuguese population that represents a small fraction of Macau's population). He was born in then-Portuguese Timor and lived most of his life in Macau. I don't believe that emigrant or diaspora apply in this case.
Place Clichy (
talk) 23:07, 17 October 2023 (UTC)reply
@
Place Clichy: if e.g. his grandparents migrated from Macao to Timor (which is not clear from the article) the term "emigrant" still applies.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 06:12, 18 October 2023 (UTC)reply
They were the same country at the time. You're not a migrant when you move from the Azores to Madeira. But in fact, as you put it, we don't know much about it.
Place Clichy (
talk) 09:06, 18 October 2023 (UTC)reply
I would regard a move from one colony to another colony still a form of emigration even if the colonizing country is the same for both colonies.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 20:56, 18 October 2023 (UTC)reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,
HouseBlastertalk 02:32, 25 October 2023 (UTC)reply
@
Marcocapelle: I think I would regard a move in that situation as an emigration mostly if the person is defined as a national of the departure country/colony before the move, and of the arrival country/colony after it. If they are better defined from the beginning as a national of either the colonizing country or the place of arrival, then I find emigrant not applicable.
Pedro José Lobo is in the latter case, as he is clearly presented as first and foremost a Portuguese, of Macanese ethnicity, with roots in Macau, and no link specified to Timor besides the POB. A comparable situation is the case of children of US military people born on a US base in Germany during their parents' sometimes short tour there (there's a number of them). They're just American, not immigrants from West Germany.
Place Clichy (
talk) 10:06, 26 October 2023 (UTC)reply
Admittedly these are special circumstances and I will no longer oppose deletion.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 19:31, 26 October 2023 (UTC)reply
The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
Category:Actresses from the Colony of New South Wales
The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
Nominator's rationale: overlapping category. I don't think that the intersection between regime + occupation is defining for Actresses
Mason (
talk) 02:28, 25 October 2023 (UTC)reply
Dual merge per Marcocapelle. It seems that Colony of New South Wales is defining for the 2 articles there, as they were active mostly during this period.
Place Clichy (
talk) 10:09, 26 October 2023 (UTC)reply
The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.