WIKIPEDIA:CATEGORIES FOR DISCUSSION LOG 2019 APRIL 12

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April 12

Category:User account security

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the discussion was: moot. Category:User account security was deleted per WP:G7, and the same user created Category:Wikipedia user account security, so this CfD is procedurally closed as moot, with a note that, in essence, the category was renamed. (non-admin closure) DannyS712 ( talk) 07:21, 18 April 2019 (UTC) reply

Propose renaming Category:User account security to Category:Wikipedia user account security

Nominator's rationale: Matches the tree above it and there's a plausible non-Wikipedia category that could be here. Alternatively, this might reasonably be a WP:SMALLCAT and so it's more appropriate to upmerge. Izno ( talk) 23:35, 12 April 2019 (UTC) reply

Category:Wikipedia user account security created, speedy deletion of original category requested by category creator. Apokrif ( talk) 14:37, 14 April 2019 (UTC) reply

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Category:Disney on Ice

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) DannyS712 ( talk) 00:46, 20 April 2019 (UTC) reply

Propose deleting Category:Disney on Ice ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Contains one article, unlikely to get many more.. Trivialist ( talk) 22:49, 12 April 2019 (UTC) reply

Delete - well, technically I would upmerge it to Category:Disney Theatrical Group but the only article is already in that parent category. Le Deluge ( talk) 09:42, 13 April 2019 (UTC) reply

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Medical and health organizations

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The result of the discussion was: Rename all. Timrollpickering ( Talk) 23:18, 8 May 2019 (UTC) reply

"in" to "based in" (87 more)

Of the country categories in Category:Medical and health organizations by country, roughly half use 'in' and the remainder use 'based in'. Moreover every country in Category:Organizations by country uses 'based in'. The rationale is that Médecins Sans Frontières (say) will operate in many countries but is based in Switzerland. Oculi ( talk) 21:00, 12 April 2019 (UTC) reply

Its very unusual for these sorts of organizations to operate in more than one country. MSF is very unusual in that respect. It's a very highly regulated environment. I'd rather standardise the other way. Rathfelder ( talk) 08:36, 16 April 2019 (UTC) reply

"The World Health Organization operates 150 country offices in six different regions." There are plenty of health organizations that operate in many countries. Red Cross, Save the Children, George Institute for Global Health. In any case the format in every country category is 'based in Foo' and editors should follow this. (The great majority of the subcats of Category:Medical and health organizations by country were created by Rathfelder, using 'in' or 'based in' seemingly at random. There were 21 using 'based in' created on 6 Apr 2016, and rather more using 'in' the very next day, but not consistently.) Oculi ( talk) 22:19, 16 April 2019 (UTC) reply
Also by previous consensus at cfd: Medical and health organizations in 2011. Not to mention 100s of articles in Category:International medical and health organizations. Oculi ( talk) 12:31, 23 April 2019 (UTC) reply

Support for consistency, "based in" is the usual format throughout the organizations tree. Marcocapelle ( talk) 21:05, 16 April 2019 (UTC) reply

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Category:Aeni by date

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The result of the discussion was: delete or merge as indicated. MER-C 13:03, 17 May 2019 (UTC) reply

Propose deleting Category:Aeni debuts by century ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:Aeni debuts by date ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:Aeni debuts by decade ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:Aeni debuts by year ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:Aeni films by year ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:Aeni films by decade ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:Aeni films by date ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:1990 aeni ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs) / upmerge to Category:1990s South Korean animated television series
Propose deleting Category:1999 aeni ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:2000 aeni ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:2000s aeni ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:2000s aeni films ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:2001 aeni ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:2002 aeni ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:2002 aeni films ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs) / upmerge to Category:South Korean animated films
Propose deleting Category:2003 aeni ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:2003 aeni films ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs) / upmerge to Category:South Korean animated films
Propose deleting Category:2004 aeni ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:2004 aeni films ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:2005 aeni ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:2005 aeni films ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs) / upmerge to Category:South Korean animated films
Propose deleting Category:2006 aeni ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:2006 aeni films ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs) / upmerge to Category:South Korean animated films
Propose deleting Category:2008 aeni ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:2008 aeni films ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs) / upmerge to Category:South Korean animated films
Propose deleting Category:2010 aeni ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs) / upmerge to Category:2010s South Korean animated television series
Propose deleting Category:2010s aeni ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:2010s aeni films ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:2011 aeni ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:2011 aeni films ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs) / upmerge to Category:South Korean animated films
Propose deleting Category:2012 aeni ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:2012 aeni films ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs) / upmerge to Category:South Korean animated films
Propose deleting Category:2013 aeni ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:2013 aeni films ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs) / upmerge to Category:South Korean animated films
Propose deleting Category:2014 aeni ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:2014 aeni films ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs) / upmerge to Category:South Korean animated films
Propose deleting Category:2015 aeni ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:2015 aeni films ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs) / upmerge to Category:South Korean animated films
Propose deleting Category:2016 aeni ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:2016 aeni films ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs) / upmerge to Category:South Korean animated films
Propose deleting Category:2017 aeni ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs) / upmerge to Category:South Korean animation and Category:South Korean web series
Propose deleting Category:2018 aeni ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs) / upmerge to Category:South Korean animation and Category:South Korean web series
Propose deleting Category:21st-century aeni ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:Aeni (year of release missing) ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Extensive web of categories containing a mere 19 articles (by my count) between them. We simply don't have enough content to justify this level of categorisation. Articles can be recategorised in either Category:South Korean animated films or Category:South Korean animated television series as appropriate, if they aren't in there already. There is also the problem that "aeni" seems like a rather obscure term, unlike "anime". PC78 ( talk) 17:51, 12 April 2019 (UTC) reply

Support - Aeni redirects to Korean animation. Upmerging may be necessary; eg Category:1990 aeni needs to be upmerged as its article otherwise loses categories. Oculi ( talk) 21:21, 12 April 2019 (UTC) reply
- I've made a note above of what would need upmerging to where. Some of the articles are already appropriately categorised. PC78 ( talk) 15:45, 18 April 2019 (UTC) reply
  - Have also added Category:1999 aeni which slipped through the net due to it not being categorised with the others. PC78 ( talk) 18:17, 19 April 2019 (UTC) reply

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) DannyS712 ( talk) 00:47, 20 April 2019 (UTC) reply

Propose deleting Template:XXXTentacion-stub ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Also tagged the corresponding Category:XXXTentacion stubs

Nominator's rationale: A stub for a specific person seems unlikely to have enough content to reach the 60+ stubs needed to justify such a stub template/category. There's only 1 currently tagged right now. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 16:41, 12 April 2019 (UTC) reply

Delete per nom. Her Pegship ( speak) 20:33, 13 April 2019 (UTC) reply

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Category:Culinary dishes

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The result of the discussion was: delete. – Fayenatic London 08:52, 2 July 2019 (UTC) reply

Propose deleting Category:Culinary dishes ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Superfluous. All dishes are culinary and anything in this overly-broad category will be able to be diffused into an existent food sub-category. Mutt Lunker ( talk) 12:17, 12 April 2019 (UTC) reply

Keep in principle as a valid WP:SUPERCAT. I agree that all articles currently in the category should be (and probably already are) diffused into a sub-category such as Category:Chicken dishes. But having a higher-level category that contains other food-dish subcategories is useful. Unfortunately, the user who created the category has incorrectly added several hundred articles directly to the category. I requested that they fix this, but they haven't done so - though at least they stopped adding more. Also it doesn't currently contain any subcategories. Maybe the most practical way to fix the problem then would be to delete it so a bot can remove it from all the articles, without prejudice against re-creating it with only the appropriate sub-categories when that's complete. -- IamNotU ( talk) 13:29, 12 April 2019 (UTC) reply

Category:Cuisine and Category:Food and drink have long existed and I imagine most of the dishes in the new category are already, or could be, diffused to these. I can't see this new one fulfilling a purpose as a supercategory that these and other existent categories don't. Mutt Lunker ( talk) 14:24, 12 April 2019 (UTC) reply

Not sure I understand the objection. It seems like a logical top-level category for all categories of dishes (culinary, as opposed to porcelain dishes or satellite dishes) that are not in any higher "dishes" category. It's more specific than just Category:Food, of which it's already a subcategory. It's not overly broad, currently it would include only Category:Meat dishes, Category:Vegetable dishes, Category:Dairy dishes, Category:Nut dishes, Category:Bread dishes, Category:Cereal dishes, and maybe a couple of others. It wouldn't include any articles about dishes themselves. There doesn't seem to be a clear way otherwise to get that category grouping. -- IamNotU ( talk) 15:43, 12 April 2019 (UTC) reply

We already have a supercategory Category:Prepared foods by main ingredient. Marcocapelle ( talk) 16:29, 12 April 2019 (UTC) reply

Ok, you're right I guess I missed that, seems to accomplish the same thing. Well, it wouldn't include things like Category:Ancient dishes or Category:Stuffed dishes for example, but maybe that's not important... -- IamNotU ( talk) 19:15, 12 April 2019 (UTC) reply

Your latter point is making wonder if there is a point to the category after all. Again though, it should be populated largely, probaby entirely, by such subcategories rather than individual articles. Mutt Lunker ( talk) 19:41, 12 April 2019 (UTC) reply

Support deletion per above discussion. Marcocapelle ( talk) 05:59, 13 April 2019 (UTC) reply
delete as redundant. Le Deluge ( talk) 09:43, 13 April 2019 (UTC) reply
delete . As a subcategory of Food it is pointless. I doubt its usefulness in any context. Rathfelder ( talk) 12:42, 13 April 2019 (UTC) reply

Having pondered this further, I can in fact see it fitting in to a logical hierarchy and serving a purpose. Above this category, the Food category covers raw materials and individual ingredients as well as the dishes made of them. Below it, there are numerous sub-categories of (culinary) dishes, as noted above, based on a variety of diverse characterstics, not just major ingredient but form/construction and historical period, amongst other things. It would fit so: Food and drink>Food>Cuisine>Culinary dishes>(existing subcategories of dishes).

Looking at the way that food subcategories are structured currently, there is a lot of inconsistency as to how they are broken down. This could help bring a bit of order. No? Mutt Lunker ( talk) 22:33, 13 April 2019 (UTC) reply

As nobody has disabused of the views expressed immediately above, I'll alter my position to that of keep. Mutt Lunker ( talk) 22:34, 15 April 2019 (UTC) reply

That is still duplication. Category:Prepared foods by main ingredient is also parented by Category:Cuisine. Marcocapelle ( talk) 06:18, 16 April 2019 (UTC) reply

To be a duplication, they have to be the same thing, which they are not. One is, and should be structured here as, a subset of the other:

Category:Cuisine parents Category:Culinary dishes, would parent Category:Prepared foods by main ingredient.

Again, the main ingredient of a dish is but one subordinate aspect of the categorisation of dishes as a whole. As is e.g. ancientness, that they are stuffed. Mutt Lunker ( talk) 08:30, 16 April 2019 (UTC) reply

You are having a point about ancient and stuffed dishes getting lost in the tree. However I would rather propose deleting Category:Culinary dishes with its current content, followed by proposing renaming Category:Prepared foods by main ingredient to e.g. Category:Culinary dishes or Category:Prepared foods and expand its scope to include ancient and stuffed dishes. Marcocapelle ( talk) 21:27, 16 April 2019 (UTC) reply

We seem to be aiming at the same goal of having a subcategory of Category:Cuisine consisting of all culinary dishes/prepared foods which in turn has subcategories that group dishes by particular characteristics (main ingredient, that they are ancient, that they are stuffed etc.).

It occurs to me that the issue may be consistency of naming for the hierarchy. Is that what needs to be addressed?

We have Food and drink>Food>Cuisine>(the level under discussion)>(subcats such as Prepared foods by main ingredient, ancient dishes, stuffed dishes)

These could be:

Food and drink>Food>Cuisine>Culinary dishes>((Culinary) Dishes by main ingredient, Ancient dishes, Stuffed dishes etc)

Or

Food and drink>Food>Cuisine>Prepared foods>(Prepared foods by main ingredient, Ancient prepared foods, Stuffed prepared foods etc)

If a more consistently-named hierarchy using the term dish is preferred, we place the subcategories into Category:Culinary dishes, renaming them to conform if required, and we remove the plethora of individual articles therein, which will already be diffused to these subcategories anyway.

If a more consistent-named hierarchy using the term food is preferred, we delete ‘’Category:Culinary dishes’’, create a new subcategory of Category:Cuisine: Category: Prepared foods and place the subcategories therein, renaming them to conform if required. Mutt Lunker ( talk) 23:40, 16 April 2019 (UTC) reply

That is better left to a fresh discussion. Let's first get rid of the current Category:Culinary dishes. Marcocapelle ( talk) 06:08, 17 April 2019 (UTC) reply

I agree with Marcocapelle. The present category heirarchy could be improved, but it needs more thought and this just gets in the way of a proper discussion. Rathfelder ( talk) 08:35, 17 April 2019 (UTC) reply

Very good points made here, thanks. Looks like there is support for an "all dishes" category, probably a subcategory of Category:Cuisine, that's more inclusive than Category:Prepared foods by main ingredient, which could be either "Category:Culinary dishes" or "Category:Prepared foods". There does seem to be a bit more discussion required about the usage of "prepared foods" vs. "dishes", etc. I don't mind deleting Category:Culinary dishes for now to fix the current problems with it, as long as it's understood that it - or something similar - might be re-created following further discussion. -- IamNotU ( talk) 12:37, 23 April 2019 (UTC) reply

Delete as redundant and indiscriminate. This appears to be a category containing all dishes everywhere. JIP | Talk 10:42, 23 April 2019 (UTC) reply

JIP, how is that a problem? We have for example Category:Rivers, for all rivers everywhere: "This category is for subcategories for all types of streams, e.g., branch, brook, beck, burn, creek, "crick", gill (occasionally ghyll), kill, lick, rill, river, syke, bayou, rivulet, streamage, wash, run or runnel." The category for all dishes has the same function. The only problem is that some user has mistakenly added a large number of articles directly to the category which need to be removed; it should generally only contain subcategories and not individual dishes, just as the Rivers category doesn't contain individual rivers (at least it shouldn't - looks like that category needs some cleanup). Although all dishes and rivers can be diffused into some subcategory, that doesn't make the top supercategory redundant or indiscriminate. That's how it's supposed to be. -- IamNotU ( talk) 12:08, 23 April 2019 (UTC) reply

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Category:Foxbridge

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The result of the discussion was: relisted, see here ( non-admin closure). Marcocapelle ( talk) 20:14, 23 April 2019 (UTC) reply

Propose deleting Category:Foxbridge ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Seems odd to have a category for horses sired (or "grandsired") by a stallion. Man o' War doesn't have one. Clarityfiend ( talk) 08:17, 12 April 2019 (UTC) reply

Hmmm, Northern Dancer has one - Category:Northern Dancer bloodline - though that looks a lot more impressive. Clarityfiend ( talk) 08:21, 12 April 2019 (UTC) reply

Comment - there is a host of mysterious categories such as Category:Thoroughbred family 1-a which appear to be based on bloodline. Man o' War is in Category:Thoroughbred family 4-c, apparently. Oculi ( talk) 09:41, 12 April 2019 (UTC) reply

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Category:International Bluegrass Music Hall of Honor inductees

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) DannyS712 ( talk) 00:47, 20 April 2019 (UTC) reply

Propose Deleting/Listifying Category:International Bluegrass Music Hall of Honor inductees

Nominator's rationale: Per WP:OCAWARD ( WP:NONDEFINING)

The International Bluegrass Music Hall of Fame is is a riverfront museum on the Ohio River in Kentucky. The articles aren't consistent with how the award is handled: sometimes it's mentioned in the body, sometimes in the lede and sometimes not at all. Grammies and other hall of fames are often mentioned as well and most of the recipients of this award were prominent long before the Hall of Fame started. This award doesn't seem generally defining. (One clear exception is Pete Kuykendall who helped found the organization but that's not a good basis for a category.) The contents of the category are already listified here in the main article. - RevelationDirect ( talk) 01:26, 12 April 2019 (UTC) reply

Background We deleted similar halls of fame by musical genre here, here and here. - RevelationDirect ( talk) 01:26, 12 April 2019 (UTC) reply

DElete as OCAWARD: Listify if necessary. Peterkingiron ( talk) 17:24, 14 April 2019 (UTC) reply

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Category:United States Bicycling Hall of Fame inductees

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) DannyS712 ( talk) 00:47, 20 April 2019 (UTC) reply

Propose Deleting/Listifying Category:United States Bicycling Hall of Fame inductees

Nominator's rationale: Per WP:OCAWARD ( WP:NONDEFINING)

The United States Bicycling Hall of Fame is a museum in Davis, California. The award is usually mentioned in passing in the articles with other honours in the body of the articles and, if an award is in the intro, it's usually an Olympic medal. Many of the recipients were active long before the organization existed. This award doesn't seem defining. The contents of the category are already listified here in the main article. - RevelationDirect ( talk) 01:25, 12 April 2019 (UTC) reply

Background We deleted another cycling hall of fame here. - RevelationDirect ( talk) 01:25, 12 April 2019 (UTC) reply

Delete per nom as non-defining. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 06:44, 12 April 2019 (UTC) reply
DElete as OCAWARD: Listify if necessary. Peterkingiron ( talk) 17:24, 14 April 2019 (UTC) reply
Delete no one is notable for being inducted; they're notable for whatever achievements got them inducted. Carlossuarez46 ( talk) 18:59, 15 April 2019 (UTC) reply

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April 12

Category:User account security

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Category:Culinary dishes

Category:Foxbridge

Category:International Bluegrass Music Hall of Honor inductees

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