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The result of the discussion was:rename. There are no non-supernatural revelation contents here. There are plenty of categories about scientific and rational discovery, but none of them are about anything called "revelation." That term is best reserved for the supernatural.--
Mike Selinker (
talk) 11:42, 30 July 2012 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale:Rename. The article "
Supernatural revelation" was merged to "
Revelation." Hence there is no main article for
Category:Supernatural revelation. Also,
Category:Revelation is not being used for anything else, hence there is no ambiguity with other possible categorical usage of "revelation." Note: The main argument against both the article and category is that the "supernatural" in "supernatural revelation" is 1) unnecessary, 2) a misnomer and 3) a bit of an oxymoron: The things we sometimes think of as "above" ("super") nature, are actually just a part of nature. The core concept in "supernatural" is indeed "nature" and "nature" (in this usage) simply means 'all things within reality.' The term "physical" is similar: If its "real" then it must also be "physical" in some way, even if its not yet well explained. Real things conform to physical laws, either known or yet unknown. If its "real" its also "natural" in some way, so terming something "supernatural" is thus an unnecessary misnomer. Regards -
Stevertigo (
t |
c) 22:54, 22 June 2012 (UTC)reply
Oppose. Revelation can be both supernatural (special revelation), and General (revealed through the use of reason). These are distinct concepts. General revelation concerns the physical universe, human conscience and providence. Ergo, this category should remain separate from revelation in general.
Benkenobi18 (
talk) 17:53, 25 June 2012 (UTC)reply
Merge because in general when people speak of "revelation" they are often thinking along the lines of "supernatural revelation". If there is a more specific name needed, it would be a sub-category that includes things termed "revelation" that are not climed to involve the direct manifestation of God or Angels. That would be the less common use of the term.
John Pack Lambert (
talk) 05:20, 28 June 2012 (UTC)reply
Keep -- I note that the target is currently empty and tagged for speedy deletion. I consider the present category is sufficiently precise.
Peterkingiron (
talk) 17:11, 28 June 2012 (UTC)reply
What do you mean "tagged for speedy deletion?" Is that to mean that we are forbidden from using
Category:Revelation even if we choose to use it here? That is what we are discussing after all. On your actual point, isn't "revelation" itself sufficiently precise? What other different kinds of revelation are there, for which we have articles? Note, it has been clearly decided that "supernatural revelation" was unnecessarily "precise" as an article, hence why should it be regarded as "precise" for a category? -
Stevertigo (
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FC Brussels
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The result of the discussion was:Speedy rename C2D.
Timrollpickering (
talk) 22:46, 25 June 2012 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: team is more commonly known as FC Brussels. See also the main article at
FC Brussels.
Pelotastalk|contribs 12:18, 22 June 2012 (UTC)reply
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Category:Myth (series)
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The result of the discussion was:no consensus.--
Mike Selinker (
talk) 05:51, 23 July 2012 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: Opposed speedy. These are primarily subcategories of
Category:Fantasy video games, for which the standard naming format - which is also the clear and logical one - is "Foo video games"; this change would bring them in line with the other categories there, but was objected to as changing from topic to set categories.
The BushrangerOne ping only 02:44, 22 June 2012 (UTC)reply
Oppose Not about videogames with nocturnal settings, or lengendary settings.
70.49.127.65 (
talk) 04:12, 22 June 2012 (UTC)reply
Did you look at your proposed titles?
Myth is not
Myth (game),
Nights is not
Nights (game) ; Your proposed titles encompass much more than just the "Myth"-series or the "Nights"-series, thus are overly broad names.
70.49.127.65 (
talk) 04:02, 23 June 2012 (UTC)reply
The thing is that's the convention for the cateory tree: Fooseriesname video games. -
The BushrangerOne ping only 04:47, 23 June 2012 (UTC)reply
"Dark fantasy" is not a series, it is a genre. "Mana (series) video games" and "Bone (comics) video games" shows that the convention is only for unambiguous names. That about 1/3 of the entries in the category don't use "video games" shows that it's not really a convention, otherwise it would be more like 90%.
70.49.127.65 (
talk) 03:55, 24 June 2012 (UTC)reply
ResponseWP:SMALLCAT doesn't apply to eponymous categories, or else there could literally be a category for every article. —
Justin (koavf)❤
T☮
C☺
M☯ 07:41, 23 June 2012 (UTC)reply
Except it's not Myth- (and Nights-)the-game that the category is named after. It's Myth-the-game series. -
The BushrangerOne ping only 15:53, 23 June 2012 (UTC)reply
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Category:Tajik culture
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Nominator's rationale:Rename. As an adjective, "Tajik" can refer to the ethnic
Tajik people, the country of
Tajikistan, or the
Tajik language, and the three are not always co-extensive in topics. We now have
Category:Tajikistani culture for the culture of Tajikistan. I suggest that this category name be changed to clarify that is is for the culture of the
ethnic Tajik people, since "Tajik" is often used as a simple synonym for "Tajikistani". The nominated category could be a disambiguation page in the same way that
Category:Tajik people is.
Good Ol’factory(talk) 02:43, 22 June 2012 (UTC)reply
Support per nom, and kudos to the nom on the fine job of clarifying this distinction within the category structure. -- Black Falcon(
talk) 04:36, 22 June 2012 (UTC)reply
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Category:Kyrgyz culture
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Nominator's rationale:Rename. As an adjective, "Kyrgyz" can refer to the ethnic
Kyrgyz people, the country of
Kyrgyzstan, or the
Kyrgyz language, and the three are not always co-extensive in topics. We now have
Category:Kyrgyzstani culture for the culture of Kyrgyzstan. I suggest that this category name be changed to clarify that is is for the culture of the
ethnic Kyrgyz people, since "Kyrgyz" is often used as a simple synonym for "Kyrgyzstani". The nominated category could be a disambiguation page in the same way that
Category:Kyrgyz people is.
Good Ol’factory(talk) 02:41, 22 June 2012 (UTC)reply
Support per nom, and kudos to the nom on the fine job of clarifying this distinction within the category structure. -- Black Falcon(
talk) 04:36, 22 June 2012 (UTC)reply
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Category:BBC staff
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Nominator's rationale:Merge. These seem to me to be duplicates.
Good Ol’factory(talk) 00:19, 22 June 2012 (UTC)reply
Merge per nom.
Tim! (
talk) 06:06, 22 June 2012 (UTC)reply
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The result of the discussion was:rename. There are no non-supernatural revelation contents here. There are plenty of categories about scientific and rational discovery, but none of them are about anything called "revelation." That term is best reserved for the supernatural.--
Mike Selinker (
talk) 11:42, 30 July 2012 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale:Rename. The article "
Supernatural revelation" was merged to "
Revelation." Hence there is no main article for
Category:Supernatural revelation. Also,
Category:Revelation is not being used for anything else, hence there is no ambiguity with other possible categorical usage of "revelation." Note: The main argument against both the article and category is that the "supernatural" in "supernatural revelation" is 1) unnecessary, 2) a misnomer and 3) a bit of an oxymoron: The things we sometimes think of as "above" ("super") nature, are actually just a part of nature. The core concept in "supernatural" is indeed "nature" and "nature" (in this usage) simply means 'all things within reality.' The term "physical" is similar: If its "real" then it must also be "physical" in some way, even if its not yet well explained. Real things conform to physical laws, either known or yet unknown. If its "real" its also "natural" in some way, so terming something "supernatural" is thus an unnecessary misnomer. Regards -
Stevertigo (
t |
c) 22:54, 22 June 2012 (UTC)reply
Oppose. Revelation can be both supernatural (special revelation), and General (revealed through the use of reason). These are distinct concepts. General revelation concerns the physical universe, human conscience and providence. Ergo, this category should remain separate from revelation in general.
Benkenobi18 (
talk) 17:53, 25 June 2012 (UTC)reply
Merge because in general when people speak of "revelation" they are often thinking along the lines of "supernatural revelation". If there is a more specific name needed, it would be a sub-category that includes things termed "revelation" that are not climed to involve the direct manifestation of God or Angels. That would be the less common use of the term.
John Pack Lambert (
talk) 05:20, 28 June 2012 (UTC)reply
Keep -- I note that the target is currently empty and tagged for speedy deletion. I consider the present category is sufficiently precise.
Peterkingiron (
talk) 17:11, 28 June 2012 (UTC)reply
What do you mean "tagged for speedy deletion?" Is that to mean that we are forbidden from using
Category:Revelation even if we choose to use it here? That is what we are discussing after all. On your actual point, isn't "revelation" itself sufficiently precise? What other different kinds of revelation are there, for which we have articles? Note, it has been clearly decided that "supernatural revelation" was unnecessarily "precise" as an article, hence why should it be regarded as "precise" for a category? -
Stevertigo (
t |
c) 05:54, 30 June 2012 (UTC)reply
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FC Brussels
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The result of the discussion was:Speedy rename C2D.
Timrollpickering (
talk) 22:46, 25 June 2012 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: team is more commonly known as FC Brussels. See also the main article at
FC Brussels.
Pelotastalk|contribs 12:18, 22 June 2012 (UTC)reply
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WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page moves. ★☆
DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 13:48, 23 June 2012 (UTC)reply
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Category:Myth (series)
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The result of the discussion was:no consensus.--
Mike Selinker (
talk) 05:51, 23 July 2012 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: Opposed speedy. These are primarily subcategories of
Category:Fantasy video games, for which the standard naming format - which is also the clear and logical one - is "Foo video games"; this change would bring them in line with the other categories there, but was objected to as changing from topic to set categories.
The BushrangerOne ping only 02:44, 22 June 2012 (UTC)reply
Oppose Not about videogames with nocturnal settings, or lengendary settings.
70.49.127.65 (
talk) 04:12, 22 June 2012 (UTC)reply
Did you look at your proposed titles?
Myth is not
Myth (game),
Nights is not
Nights (game) ; Your proposed titles encompass much more than just the "Myth"-series or the "Nights"-series, thus are overly broad names.
70.49.127.65 (
talk) 04:02, 23 June 2012 (UTC)reply
The thing is that's the convention for the cateory tree: Fooseriesname video games. -
The BushrangerOne ping only 04:47, 23 June 2012 (UTC)reply
"Dark fantasy" is not a series, it is a genre. "Mana (series) video games" and "Bone (comics) video games" shows that the convention is only for unambiguous names. That about 1/3 of the entries in the category don't use "video games" shows that it's not really a convention, otherwise it would be more like 90%.
70.49.127.65 (
talk) 03:55, 24 June 2012 (UTC)reply
ResponseWP:SMALLCAT doesn't apply to eponymous categories, or else there could literally be a category for every article. —
Justin (koavf)❤
T☮
C☺
M☯ 07:41, 23 June 2012 (UTC)reply
Except it's not Myth- (and Nights-)the-game that the category is named after. It's Myth-the-game series. -
The BushrangerOne ping only 15:53, 23 June 2012 (UTC)reply
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Category:Tajik culture
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Nominator's rationale:Rename. As an adjective, "Tajik" can refer to the ethnic
Tajik people, the country of
Tajikistan, or the
Tajik language, and the three are not always co-extensive in topics. We now have
Category:Tajikistani culture for the culture of Tajikistan. I suggest that this category name be changed to clarify that is is for the culture of the
ethnic Tajik people, since "Tajik" is often used as a simple synonym for "Tajikistani". The nominated category could be a disambiguation page in the same way that
Category:Tajik people is.
Good Ol’factory(talk) 02:43, 22 June 2012 (UTC)reply
Support per nom, and kudos to the nom on the fine job of clarifying this distinction within the category structure. -- Black Falcon(
talk) 04:36, 22 June 2012 (UTC)reply
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Category:Kyrgyz culture
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Nominator's rationale:Rename. As an adjective, "Kyrgyz" can refer to the ethnic
Kyrgyz people, the country of
Kyrgyzstan, or the
Kyrgyz language, and the three are not always co-extensive in topics. We now have
Category:Kyrgyzstani culture for the culture of Kyrgyzstan. I suggest that this category name be changed to clarify that is is for the culture of the
ethnic Kyrgyz people, since "Kyrgyz" is often used as a simple synonym for "Kyrgyzstani". The nominated category could be a disambiguation page in the same way that
Category:Kyrgyz people is.
Good Ol’factory(talk) 02:41, 22 June 2012 (UTC)reply
Support per nom, and kudos to the nom on the fine job of clarifying this distinction within the category structure. -- Black Falcon(
talk) 04:36, 22 June 2012 (UTC)reply
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Category:BBC staff
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Nominator's rationale:Merge. These seem to me to be duplicates.
Good Ol’factory(talk) 00:19, 22 June 2012 (UTC)reply
Merge per nom.
Tim! (
talk) 06:06, 22 June 2012 (UTC)reply
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