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Humm, since we started this new forum for the creation of category-specific awards, I've noticed a problem (or a glitch..): maybe we were too bold. By starting too many discussions (one per award) at the same time, we created a puzzle of discussions that seem to drag on forever. As a result, we have votes that never quite close, and some discussions seem to have been abandoned halfway through. I mean, everybody here contributes in other articles/forums in Wikipedia, in addition to each one's personal life (I hope!). If there's too much stuff going on at the same time, as it is the case here, we can't focus and conclude one discussion (and create an award) before moving on to the next one. We are taking a surreal amount of time to wrap those awards up. How about we (meaning the regular contributors of this forum, of course, since we'd have no control over the ocasional visitors) make a pact to tackle one award at a time, and not touch the following one until we have finished with that one award? We'd do this Conclave style. Regards, Redux 02:46, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

• While I am trying to find a hat that fits, I am looking at what Redux says and I say that he says and man he is right. We notice few people passing out Barnstars, and those that do, use the already established awards. What we can do is keep the ones we have, and create no more for right now. We will just instruct users that when you award a barnstar, you should try to include a short message (which I affectionately call a citation) on why this barnstar is given to this user. If there is a strong need for a category award, we can do so. But mainly, it is just the core group of us (Death, Redux, Clockwork, Brian and myself) who are voting, creating and designing these awards. Man, I just think we should just stop right now on this and just focus on trying to promote the award system we got. However, I do wish to say one thing: the awarding of real medals, like the Hero of Socialist Labor, has stopped, so it feels like our march for Barnstars has taken hold. I am not sure what the rest of yall think, but I hope it will be soon. I want to release white smoke on this issue, instead of the usual greys. Zscout370 02:59, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • I am trying to help also, and yet, when I do something it just seems to make the voting or thinking process take longer. Has anyone even taken note of my plan to merge those two awards for Barnstar of Reversion? And I'm still puzzled at why my History Barnstar wasn't good enough, but oh well, I can rant another day. Btw, why do I get the feeling that the recent papal election has inspired you guys? I will continue to help out. -- Riffsyphon1024 03:09, Apr 23, 2005 (UTC)
    • One, yes, the papal election has inspired me and Redux with our responses (plus, I have been watching/editing/debating on the Benedict XVI article). Two, I am sorry I left you off the short list (I probably left off Brian too) and three, the votes do take long, and I still see voting for Barnstars that have been decided upon already. Plus, if this whole project closes, we still can use the Defender of the Wiki or the Editor's Barnstar for honorable reverting of vandalism. Zscout370 03:12, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

The reason why the creation process of these awards is taking so long (and every little thing you add just seems to make it that much longer) is exactly that the regular contributors have too much in their plates right now. We are splitting our attention between 7 or 8 different discussions (if not more), and that's counterproductive. The category-specific awards are, at least in theory, a good idea, but we will not get all of those done any time soon unless we take this one [award] at a time. As Zscout pointed out, though, it may be that all of this work ends up being forgotten by the community. I'd suggest that we put up those awards that are nearly completed (but that we complete them one at a time!) and wait and see if they will be used before we put all this time and effort into other new awards. Regards, Redux 04:03, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

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I'm not sure if unregistered users are allowed to make suggestions regarding wikipedia policies such as this however one idea that comes to mind might be an "Unknown Wikipdian" barnstar for contributions specifically made by anonymous users ? While it would admittedly be dificult to seperate those IP's, particularly from AOL, which contribute legitimate articles and those from random vandalisim there are many IP addresses that use a single address. 152.163.100.202 07:47, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)

There's no impediment for unregistered users to suggest new awards. Such a suggestion, btw, has nothing to do with Wikipedia policy. The process of creating and awarding a Barnstar is rather informal — although we prefer that new ideas be subject to the scrutiny of the community before being added to the project page. You may put your idea up for consideration at this project page, I'm certain we'd all like to hear your ideas and provide you with feedback. In this case, I can tell you that the technical difficulty you pointed yourself may be a considerable obstacle: it is difficult to sort unregistered users due to IP addresses being often shared. And not only that, whenever you post a message on the "talk page of an IP address", all those who share it get that message as if it was their own. Similarly, if we were to award a Barnstar to an IP address, it would look to all that share it that they got it, and because they are all unregistered, and therefore anon users, it would be quite difficult to indicate who it is that actually got it.
I would like to take the opportunity to encourage you to register. You don't need to provide any personal information or even an e-mail address. You just have to create a screen name and a password. You will find that being a registered user makes your life as an editor much easier. That are many features of the website that exist only for registered users, such as the Watchlist and the list of contributions (that you can be positive to be just your own), in addition to some "privileges", so to speak, such as being able to upload images to the website. Regards, Redux 11:36, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)

• • We do have an award for newcomers called "Excellent Newcomer Award" which is given to very good edits by very new Wikipedians. The award is in the form of a butterfly picture. Zscout370 11:12, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)

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Humm, I've noticed that the rate of contribution for the forums on the new awards has decreased considerably. Some discussions have been on a stand-still for weeks! We're not getting much done around here, and at that pace, the internet will become obsolete before we can conclude all of the new awards currently in discussion. Could it be that the general interest has thined a little? Or maybe people are just busy and can't contribute as much as they used to. In any case, maybe we should organize some sort of "drive" to get some of the regular contributors back?? We must rekindle this forum. Regards, Redux 05:43, 8 May 2005 (UTC)

Clockwork has been involved in trying to find impostors on Wikipedia, but I left him a note on his talk page. I have been involved in reverting vandalism, which have been turned into edit wars. I am willing to get rid of some of these ideas by voting on them. I already redid the Motivator award, so it looks less like a barnstar. That is ready for a vote. Zscout370 (talk) 12:41, 8 May 2005 (UTC)

It seems that when a new proposal is introduced, users pounce to debate it while leaving old discussions abandoned. Perhaps there are too many discussions occurring at once, ideas have been drained, or we all need some motivation. What sort of "drive" were you thinking of, Redux? Sango 123 16:06, May 8, 2005 (UTC)

What I will do is that I will have awards that are currently being voted on be placed at the top page, while putting the proposials at the bottom. The page set up will be different than what we have right now, but I hope it works. Zscout370 (talk) 16:12, 8 May 2005 (UTC)

I like Zscout370's proposal for a new set up for the page. It should help expedite the votes and make consultation of all the new discussions much easier. Sango123's point is very similar to the one I had raised on the discussion right above this one: too much stuff going on, people just get divided and we can't seem to finish anything. What I was thinking about was a standard message (so we don't take forever to get it all done) to be placed in the talk pages of all the users that are or have been until recently regular contributors to this forum (e.g.: Grutness, ClockworkSoul, Deathphoenix and others, although this is a relatively subjective assessment). In it, we could tell them that their input is missed and invite them to return if they can. But, and this may well be the most important part of it, let them know of this idea (if others agree with me that this is the best way to get things done) of taking one discussion at a time and not moving on to any other idea until the proposed award at hand has been decided on. Not many people took notice of the discussion on that subject, so what little contribution the forum has received over the last month has been split between the many, many different awards currently in discussion. Redux 22:40, 8 May 2005 (UTC)

That sounds like a good idea. Should proposals for new awards/Barnstars continue or be stopped until we get the current ones decided and voted on? Sango 123 23:15, May 8, 2005 (UTC)

Just like with the Images for Deletion page, we can have a "holding cell" of proposals that just have been added, and has been accepted by the community to discuss and vote on. I moved the section of Category Barnstars onto it's own page, while I have created templates of the completed Barnstars. I have created sections of Barnstars up for a vote, Completed barnstars and the ones that are being debated. It will take some time, due to server errors, but it shall be done. Zscout370 (talk) 00:55, 9 May 2005 (UTC)

I believe we should establish priorities: no new ideas should be introduced until all of those that are up for discussion are settled. If a newcomer introduces a new proposal, we would let him know that his suggestion is greatly appreciated but that it will be added to the bottom of our list (and thus may take a while for it to actually be discussed). As for those awards that are already on the forum (category barnstars mainly, which Zscout370 has just moved), we establish an order of preference, according to which they would be discussed, one at a time. We would post that listing at the top of each discussion, in order to let people know (e.g.: "This award is 4th in the order of discussion. Now working on 2nd item." or something like this). I would suggest as criteria for organizing the list: 1) The discussions that are closer to a conclusion should take precedence. The closer it is to being settled, the higher it will go on the list. 2) Should two or more awards seem to be exactly as close to conclusion, the discussion that is the oldest takes precedence. I don't believe there should be any ties in this second criterium, for I propose that the "age" of the discussion be defined by the date of the first comment by a user on the topic, by date. If those are the same, hour differences shall decide. If those are the same as well, minutes (even a one-minute separation should be sufficient to determine which discussion takes precedence over another). I see it as practically impossible that a tie would withstand a minute-based separation. This way, all of the awards' discussions will be halted for a while. How long that will last for each discussion, the criteria (and how long we would take to settle each discussion) would decide. Redux 01:04, 9 May 2005 (UTC)

Since we are a small band of people, we can take a while to discuss and approve the awards, since it took a while to get some awards through. The holding cell is the exact place we can put the new ideas at, and just the page like a talk page: the newest awards on bottom. I am trying to keep things from oldest to youngest, and I am nearly done with my changes. Zscout370 (talk) 01:08, 9 May 2005 (UTC)

The holding cell sounds like a good idea for ordering the newest proposals for awards. I don't believe it would apply for the ongoing discussions though. Since those are already onset and are quite numerous, and therein lies the problem, I proposed that list as a neutral form of establishing a order of discussion for them, which we would tackle one at a time (which would represent a temporary arrest in the discussions of all the awards currently in discussion). Redux 01:14, 9 May 2005 (UTC)

The holding cell will only affect the added ideas from now until whenever the policy changes again. Though, the idea that was recently added, we can add to the archives, since it was pretty much shot down. I still need to get through my featured article award and the motivation award, plus Sango has two awards (one here, one in the category) that needs to be fixed. And I am still wanting the Barnstar of National Merit to be used for the Geography category awards. Zscout370 (talk) 01:21, 9 May 2005 (UTC)

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I take it you guys have seen the image at Wikipedia:Village pump (miscellaneous), right up near the top opf the page... can we do something with this image? Grutness... wha? 10:01, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

• Cleanup Barnstar? -- Riffsyphon1024 10:47, Jun 21, 2005 (UTC)

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ANNOUNCEMENT- Hello! I've noticed that all of you have interest in creating logos, barnstars, or past artistic ability! Thus, I just wanted to let you know that the pre-round, an artistic competition, is now open at Wikipedia:Mind Benders (Shortcut: WP:MIND)! The competition is open to everyone and is seeking a logo/trophy, similar to Barnstars, to be placed on every winner's page. We urge you to help us out and submit an entry! Afterwards, the normal rounds, each consisting of ten or more fun, logical, brain-stimulating questions will open. Why don't you give it a try when it opens! Look forward to seeing your contribution. Thanks, Flcelloguy | A note? | Desk 22:03, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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I noticed that just recently, the sections were transcluded into seperate articles. I'm not sure that's such a great idea, because I (and probably most other Barnstar folks) have just the main page in my watchlist. Changes to each of the transcluded articles aren't noted in the watchlist unless you've added each transcluded article in the watchlist. -- Death phoenix 18:17, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I did that in order to make the page load faster. I know people complain about pages being too large, the poor 56k'ers can't see it, so I was to be...you know..bold. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 21:56, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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A quick heads up: we should probably update this with the new awards we have established. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 4 July 2005 20:38 (UTC)

Done. Sango 123 July 4, 2005 20:56 (UTC)

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Someone has hijacked my Hero of Belarus award and make it into some Wikipedia award. Man, should we say something to discourage real awards to be presented on here? Zscout370 (Sound Off) 22:35, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

Indeed, I've seen it awarded to some people. I do believe we should try to talk people out of awarding real life awards as wiki awards. There are already so many Barnstars and other wiki awards, and more in the making. There's really no need to take over a country's national award and turn it into a Wikipedia prize. In fact, we had reached consensus about this. Doesn't the Guidelines agreed upon for creating Barnstars and other awards say that wiki awards shall not be, or even directly resemble, any real life award? This should apply to this case. Redux 03:34, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

I tried to talk to the users in question, but that is not working. While we did come up with a clear consensus that real awards should not be given out to users, such as the Hero of Socialist Labor, people still do it anyways. I pretty much just ask why they do it, and I get nothing back in return. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 03:36, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

Oh the humanity... Well, this is the best we can do: talk to them. It's not like anyone is going to get blocked for "giving out" real life awards. But if we can make them get a feeling that doing that is frowned upon, they might discontinue...eventually. Maybe those people you tried to contact didn't answer you, but didn't award the Hero of Belarus again too? If they did, we'll just have to keep reminding them that awarding real life awards is not supposed to be done. Some people only do it because they see it done first, so the more we can cut back on that, the less people will be awarding the Hero of Belarus and other real awards. Perhaps we could even come up with a "task force" for that: let each other know of cases, and coordinate an approach to the "giver" — maybe, if two, three or even more users all contact the person at once, (s)he will realise that it's not just one cranky user complaining, but rather a community feeling that what was done shouldn't have been done. It's an idea... Redux 04:20, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

I figured I had some pull, since I created the image. But, if they choose not to respond, then everything else is beyond my control. However, we should have a list of real awards that were given out as Wiki-awards. Other than the HSL and the HoB, I know that the Order of Canada, Purple Heart, Order of the White Eagle, Hero of the Soviet Union, Hero of Ukraine, Order of Lenin, Order of Glory and many others were given out. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 04:23, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

That is a long list. And indeed, it's almost impossible to keep track of such widespread misuse of the images of real awards. Ultimately, the best we can do is coordinate when we do stumble across one of those. It's like I said: if a number of users all convey to the person that awarding real medals should not be done, we might be able to convince the individual of not doing it again, and that alone can work towards cutting back the misawarding — people who get these awards sometimes start giving them out themselves, adding to the list. If we can prevent some awardings from happening, we may be preventing many future awardings in the process. And maybe this effort will get noticed in the project, maybe draw some support, and perhaps one day there may be a somewhat general awareness that real awards are not to be given out as wiki awards. We'll just have to outlast the misawardings. Our main problem seems to be that, although almost everyone is aware of the existence of Barnstars and other wiki awards, not many know of the work and the discussions that are behind those awards. I don't suppose many people know of the consensus not to award real life medals. We need to bring attention to this, so that more people might join the effort to prevent the misuse of real awards images. Redux 04:42, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

Ok, I will give your idea a chance, however, I do express doubts it will work. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 05:30, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

It's certainly not bullet proof, but it can't hurt to try... Redux 22:54, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

At least we can say we tried. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 22:57, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

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Hi, I thought since people here like voting for awards, you may like to check out this. -- Silversmith Hewwo 20:44, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

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The above proposal is now in a temporary vote status. It seems to be a more formal award program in thought here. The Barnstarium Army might want to comment there, and add some two cents. Bratsche ^{talk 5 pillars} 16:37, August 23, 2005 (UTC)

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I didn't know where to post this, so I posted it twice. What about a barnstar for anon editors? There are some great editors who simply don't want to log in. I was thinking a regular barnstar, but with a question mark (?) around it. Have the top point of the staron top of the top of the question mark, and have the question mark sort of draped around the "shoulders" of the star. I'm not good with graphics, but maybe someone who is could help me out. And if not an Anon Barnstar, it would be a good "Barnstar for some reason that I can't think of right now" or a "Mystery Barnstar". Just my thoughts. -- Lord Vold e mort ^{(Dark Mark)} 18:26, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

This was debated before, and it was rejected that Barnstars are usually reserved for registered accounts. Plus, most annon talk page are deleted after a while or that the annon cannot see it. What I suggest is that if the annon is doing good edits, have them get an account and award them the Excellent Newcommer Award. Zach (Sound Off) 23:00, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

And, IPs are usually shared. D e ryc k C. 10:32, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

Please please, create it and make it a barnstar for DYK - would be very apt with the ? - discussion above in a long thread on the project page and below in a new thread. -- Gurubrahma 12:14, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

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I'm a fan of DYK and was thinking if any barnstars for editors who contribute in providing significant DYKs could be created. I know some including myself (note: shameless self-promotion :D ) contribute a lot to DYK articles. So is there a way to reward them? Idleguy 09:57, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

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I find this page bizarre. If you want to make and give someone a new award, there's no need to ask. Do. Dan100 ( Talk) 09:01, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Mind you, I just use the original barnstar for everyone/everything. Dan100 ( Talk) 09:01, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

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(From Wikipedia talk:Kindness Campaign)

With current feelings about userboxes, I'm not sure what people think of this, but perhaps, as well as the standard award template, perhaps something along the lines of this for users who prefer userboxes to words. Plus, if someone is given one these and would prefer a normal barnstar or vice-versa, it should be easy to swap (same fields, just different name). So {{Boxstar|image=Raok barnstar.png|text=I, Smurrayinchester, award this Barnstar to X on behalf of the [[WP:KC|Kindness Campaign]].}} could become {{Award|image=Raok barnstar.png|text=I, Smurrayinchester, award this Barnstar to X on behalf of the [[WP:KC|Kindness Campaign]].}} . smurrayinch ester^{( User), ( Talk)} 14:10, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

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(From Wikipedia talk:Kindness Campaign)

Most of the current Barnstars/Awards are given to each user on a individual basis. However, no awards are given to a group or community as a whole. The groups that I am referring to are WikiProjects mainly, along with other organisations such as Esperanza, Welcoming Commitee and even the Kindness Campaign!

Eg. Person "X" has made a certain amount of edits and a certain amount of valuable work, enough to recieve a barnstar. In WikiProject ---, Persons "A","B","C" and "D" have done about half the amount of valuble work and edits than Person "X", not enough to deserve a barnstar or any other award. BUT as a team, they have done twice the amount of work. Remember, Wikipedia is a community and the community should be thanked. D a Gizza ^Chat 01:32, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

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anyone have any svg's I could use? _{→ Aza Toth} 00:59, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

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How about something for Wikipedians who have achieved at least 5 or more nominations of Wikipedia's newest articles which were featured on Wikipedia's Did You Know? section on the Main Page? I suggest that successful nominations for someone else's new article should count equally with self-created new article nominations. It's a lot of work either way. the DYK section helps keep the Main Page vital. There is a bit of healthy competition among editors currently. Someone else with art talent will need to come up with an appropriate image for the award: I just write and edit, I don't draw!

Mark in Historic Triangle of Virginia Vaoverland 21:09, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

Just for reference, a very similar award was suggested prior to this proposal. The archived discussion can be found here. Sango 123 (talk) 00:33, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

Reading through the archive, I am left to conclude that the idea was just sorta put "on hold"? Personally, I like the Trailblazer concept. So, now what? Vaoverland 18:02, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

I like this idea and had also previously requested for such a barnstar since i like DYKs. Can we renew the discussion here? Idleguy 19:27, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

As mentioned in the previous discussion, a DYK Barnstar seemed too narrow for an official award, so how about using the Trailblazer concept for creating new articles? A possible image could be the barnstar to the left; green suggests growth and newness. Any thoughts or ideas? Sango 123 (talk) 19:41, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

Hmm. Not bad but not really great. I was thinking something like those product ads that come with labels like New, Improved etc. Actually make that a shining/sparkling (silver maybe) barnstar to denote the freshness. Idleguy 20:16, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

I also like the expanded thinking of the Trailblazer, since it encompasses more than just DYK. So, how may we renew consideration? I am a writer, not a Wiki-Politician!! Vaoverland 20:51, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

Though I may be a bit biased (I proposed the original idea) :-), I think that we should have a Trailblazer barnstar. As I said in the archived discussion, I imagined a fire-red barnstar with a zig-zag path/trail behind. I'm not an artist, though (don't even have Photoshop!), so I couldn't create this myself. Comments? Thanks. Flcelloguy | A note? | Desk | W _S 21:37, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

I like that image even better. However, I writes, not draws. <gr> Vaoverland

Something like this? Sango 123 (talk) 22:09, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

I was thinking more of a trail/path behind the barnstar, perhaps to the left. Flcelloguy | A note? | Desk | W _S 22:50, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

This trailblazer seems better. maybe the trail fire can look better though its still draft version. Unfortunately I don't have an eye for art and am poor at designing else I could've helped. Idleguy 05:13, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

The trail reminds me of the video of the Challenger disaster. What's with the squiggle-zig-zag? Some straighter traces would be better. It's still better than the passive green concept, though. Vaoverland 14:31, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

Here's one with a non-fiery, straight trail from the left. Sango 123 (talk) 16:28, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

That's an improvement, and I'd settle for it. However, I was thinking of something like this:

Where the star represents the barnstar, and to the left would be a brown trail or path. As I've said, I write, not draw. Pardon my drawing, as I'm artistically challenged. :-) Flcelloguy | A note? | Desk | W _S 20:44, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

Ah... I wasn't sure exactly what you meant by "trail", but your drawing effectively clears that up. :) By the way, do you want the trail to come from only one point of the star? Sango 123 (talk) 22:06, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

As they say, a picture is worth a thousand words. :-) I'm not sure, I really didn't think about that. Maybe try one version like that, another version where the trail comes from the bottom two points, and another version where the trail is in the middle? See what looks the best. Thanks a lot! Flcelloguy | A note? | Desk | W _S 22:14, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

I like the one that is labled "no zip zag". Vaoverland 02:53, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

Like Flcelloguy said the trail should probably come at the bottom... Actually I'm so bad at imagining :D Idleguy 17:30, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

I tried several different variations, but I like this one the best. :) Sango 123 (talk) 17:55, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

With all due respect to its creator, I think the most recent version looks like a vehicle skidding to a stop instead of streaking forward. But then, I am a transportation writer. Mark Vaoverland 19:30, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

I second vaoverland's view. I just don't see it falling in place somehow and i'm also unable to imagine. but keep the ideas coming since I'm not good at artsy things. maybe how about changing the image idea to one I had proposed initially like a "sparkling barnstar" (silver color probably) That would be also different. Just my 2 banana cents. Idleguy 06:04, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

Welp, the first idea for a DYK barnstar (also available in non-animated version!)... other ideas would just be a circle with the DYK-updated ? mark in it, or more emphasis on a shiny-new theme instead of a question/information theme... And, yes, I know it sucks, why do you ask?  :) Bushytails 05:38, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

I think it's a good idea. Remove the animation (and all the black question marks) and it will be the best one so far. Seriously, simplicity > bloat. -- Ynhockey 06:11, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

Simple version. Bushytails 06:39, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

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  First overly-animated version
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  Simplified, less-sucky version
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  Ok, so I like making them suck...
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  Bigger ? in different font
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  The DYK medal

And re-suckified. Bushytails 06:57, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

I strongly believe that the barnstar or medal should be exclusive to DYK. We hv a FA medal, why not for DYK which is the second feature of the Main Page? And while we are at it, we can have the cutoffs as 5 DYK entries (self-noms), 8 DYK entries (articles created by me but DYK suggested by others) and 15 DYK entries (articles created by others but suggested by me). No need for a hard and fast rule - for example, I may self-nom 4 suggestions but nominate other articles 3 times etc. I like the last version by Bushytails (the one with a single "?" and shining barnstar), though I'd want to see a version where the star is below the question mark, as if the ? is a hanger from which the barnstar is hung. Regards, -- Gurubrahma 11:09, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

I like the idea of an award for DYK, since I do most of the updates I know the frequent and highly quality contributors, and I can think of 5-6 users that I would give the award to now. Since I'm potentially in a postition where I would award this barnstar- I don't think a numerical limit (4 DYKs = 1 barstar) is a workable or desirable, my criteria would be based on the quailty of new article, the supply of articles with free pics and the contributors persistence for example 8 DYKs over 6 weeks over a range of subjects. I can also think of at least one RC patroller that suggests lots of new artilces and has done so over a few months who I think would be a candidate. Also, I like Bushytails simplified, less sucky version, but the question makr should be bigger.-- nixie 10:15, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

Bigger enough? I don't have the font used for the DYK-updated image, so had to pick another font... trying to scale the little image bigger was rather ugly... I could vectorize it and scale the vectorized version (I need one of those photography/image barnstars.  :), but I figure that for now, a different font is ok... I kinda like the shining version better (with the blinkies every 5 seconds), and it isn't too over-animated. Any ideas? Bushytails 06:15, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

So, where are we at with all this? Vaoverland 02:17, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

I suggest we create a silver shining (sparkling) barnstar instead. My original idea... Heh Idleguy 05:57, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

A silver barnstar would be a tad too similar to the Resilient Barnstar. I think the question mark alone works well, as it's simple and concisely portrays the DYK aspect. Any extra animation might draw focus away from the barnstar's purpose (although the sparkles on the Bushytails' third version are quite pretty. ;-) The fourth version would look great with a solidly colored question mark, possibly beveled or embossed. Any thoughts? Sango 123 (talk) 19:11, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

In that case I'd say in the current crop Bushy's 3rd barnstar looks good with a solid color as Sango says. Idleguy 03:38, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

I had previously spoken of a version where the star is below the question mark, as if the ? is a hanger from which the barnstar is hung. The third draft of AFD rescue barnstar (see below) seems to be similar in thought. -- Gurubrahma 05:17, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

I prefer the fourth barnstar with the larger "?", though I agree with Sango it should have a more solid appearance. Nixie is absolutely right that this should be rewarded on subjective criteria rather than some formula, as the quality of entries varies greatly.-- Pharos 14:15, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Broad enough?

Just to play devil's advocate for a bit, is this star really broad and general enough? I really think that we shuld do our best to minimize creeping barnstarism, especially since we already have a whole zoo of the things buzzing around. – Clockwork Soul 16:03, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

I agree. There's such thing as too many barnstars. -- D e ath phoenix 16:25, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

Well, I think DYK is really a horse of a different color than the valiant deeds which other barnstars honor. We shouldn't have arbitrary barnstars, but this really isn't at all analogous with creeping featurism in software; an exotic zoo with all the bells and whistles is rather efficient for an awards system.-- Pharos 14:15, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Yes, I agree and support both a DYK barnstar and a AFD rescue barnstar (discussion below). -- Gurubrahma 07:46, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Action on DYK Barnstar?

So, folks, I ask once again, what may we do to get a consensus and determine whether there will be a DYK barnstar? Meanwhile, I am back to working on WP content. Mark Vaoverland 11:24, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

How about something that isn't a barnstar? Maybe a gold questionmark? Barnstars seem really special and shouldn't be introduced too willynilly (I think I have minor standing to make suggestions but not to participate in consensus discussion itself, as I've had 5 selfnoms selected as main page DYKs... not sure that merits a barnstar, really, but something small/minor might be nice.) There ARE people who deserve barnstars for their work on this, but those would be the admins who do the moving around gruntwork... and those could be handled with existing barnstars, IMHO. ++ Lar: t/ c 18:33, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

I strongly feel that it should be a medal a la FA medal. I have requested AzaToth to create a design and he complied in a handsome way. Bushytails is away due to a deep personal loss and hence I had to request AzaToth to kickstart the discussion again with a new image. It would be great if someone can work on the animation part to get it sparkle. Also, someone may want to look at the strap of the FA medal to incorporate that in this design. I like this design because the medal also has a star ;). Let us close this asap - it has been way too delayed. -- Gurubrahma 08:07, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Why not have something simpler like:

_{→ Aza Toth} 17:39, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

I'm afraid it is unlike any of the prevalent awards - the medal version currently being voted on is on lines of what people have wanted all along (as can be made from the threads above). The last thing we need is another discussion on the award, considering the long delay due to a series of unfortunate events. btw, I reduced the size of the image above to 100px as it seemed to be taking too much space. -- Gurubrahma 17:47, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

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As barnstars are used to cover broader ground, we can have the medal in the related awards page, a la FA medal. Let us close this fast as we have been dormant for long on this discussion. Please vote Support or Oppose on the DYK medal - concept and design - in the straw poll.

Straw poll for DYK Medal

1. Support -- Gurubrahma 14:19, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
2. Support -- evrik 15:11, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
3. Support -- smurrayinch ester^{( User), ( Talk)} 15:18, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
4. Support: -- Bhadani 17:36, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
5. Support: looks good. Rama's Arrow 17:37, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
6. Support - either one. If the medal runs into trouble for whatever reason, I think the gold diamond/square is also quite neat and would be fine with it. ++ Lar: t/ c 18:36, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
7. Support either, but the one with the ribbon is best Vaoverland 06:32, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
8. Support Neat. -- Idleguy 17:35, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
9. Support, I prefer the medal over the medal over the icon too.-- nixie 03:25, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
10. Support abakharev 06:52, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
11. Support -- Ghirla ^-трёп- 07:09, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
12. Support ➨ ❝ R E DVERS ❞ 14:35, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
13. Support. — Rebelguys2 ^talk 19:04, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

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This barnstar is to be awarded to anyone, by anyone for recognition of efforts to incorporate contributions made by multiple contributors with multiple bodies of research. Many different people from many different backgrounds often come together when working on an article. Making sure that every piece of input is considered and given the appropriate voice can often mean the difference between a weak article and a solid one. Those who are able to successfully integrate differeny streams of input and varying interpretations with eachother are furthering the collaborative cause.

The idea for the graphic is basically a star with different coloured orbs about it. The orbs represent the different pieces of information that need to be weighed. Each one is in a different position relative to the star to symbolize the fact that different people come from different places and backgrounds. In the center of the star is a swirly-magjig intended to signify the coming together of the varying sources and contributions. yonkeltron 11:25, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure that I get the scope you are proposing. But it seems to me that this kind of effort can be easily recognized with such awards as The Original Barnstar or the Working Man Barnstar. Regards, Redux 03:24, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

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Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. After reviewing the Barnstars and awards that have been placed recently, I have found that many of the awards have no documentation in the archives pages. I imagine, assuming good faith, that I just couldn't find the discussions.

However, in some cases the awards were just created and placed on the page, and in several cases the awards were placed after they had been rejected by the community.

I wanted to bring attention to the fact that people have been throwing awards up onto the page without going through the 'process.' I think that letting people just add stars to the page defeats the whole idea of having a process. there are a number of stars that have been rejected as proposals. It's about fairness.

I am going to list the ones I found below. I recommend that we do three things. First, we formalize how a wikiprojects can have their barnstars placed on the page. Second, we organize the “Other Related Awards” page, and third, we move the wikiproject stars to the Barnstar page, and finally, we clean up the PUA page.

I would also hope that by doing this, there will be some more interest in helping to clean-up the pages, which are right now rather chaotic. I did not include all the images on the PUA page, like the birthday cakes, because I think there should be some place for good cheer. :-) evrik 23:27, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

I also propose that we make a decision on this group of awards after two weeks (April 7, 2006). evrik 20:55, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

• Many of these awards existed long before I created the Proposals page (WikiMedal for Janitorial Service, Cool as a Cucumber Award, Atlas Award). Some of them were discussed on the Wikipedia talk:Barnstars page (I think the Exceptional Newcomer Award was), but many of the PUA's were just added as you said. The former two were "grandfathered" in, so to speak, and to be honest I think that a real review of them has been a long time coming. – Clockwork Soul 01:14, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

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I believe that each Wikiproject should be able to give out an award if it chooses, but should we account for that here in the guidelines? If not the award, what about its placement? I was bold and moved all the Wikiproject Awards from the two pages where they were placed and moved them all togther onto a third (as this seemed like a good compromise) Wikipedia:Other awards#Wikiproject_Awards.

There as an aborted discussion about that here, " Group aknowledgements". evrik 19:08, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

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Please feel free to add the cricket barnstar and bat to the list, if you so wish, but I can't see any reason why WP:CRIC should not continue to award both of them. Quite why Evrik felt sufficiently moved to delete the bat from the project page and various participants' user pages is beyond me. I have reverted the ones I have found.

As for a "goundswell of support", it would be nice to at least post a notice on a WikiProject's talk page if you are thinking of mucking about with its awards. -- ALoan (Talk) 13:08, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

• If you look at the rest of the awards, you'll see that each wikiproject has only one award listed. The purpose of posting all of them was to generate some discussion. Personally, if the cricket people want two. I'm fine with that, but they should only get one listed on this page like everyone ese. -- evrik 14:28, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Cricket Bat

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	WikiProject Cricket	The Oldest Cricket Bat is awarded in recognition of sterling contributions to WikiProject Cricket. Introduced by jguk.

• OpposeI prefer the Cricket Star. evrik 18:46, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
• Oppose – The Cricket Star is more aesthetically pleasant. Rosa 21:23, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
• Support – I think that the Wikiprojects have the right to create their own awards. – Clockwork Soul 14:09, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment I agree that each Wikiproject should be able to give out an award if it chooses, see my comments above. evrik 19:01, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
• Support Hiding talk 20:54, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
• I propose that this award be phased out in fvaor of the other award. evrik 16:36, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
• Keep this and one below I'm a member of WikiProject Cricket and have posted a message on our talk page. Replacing this award has wrecked many of the captions underneath the image. Most of them say "I award the oldest cricket bat to ..." but the image is now the cricket barnstar. Gizza ^{Chat ©} 12:38, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
• I guess most people don't care. However, I believe that only one should get listed on the awards page. evrik 17:02, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
• Support does it hurt to have two? And this had been in function for so long it will really affect people's user pages. All for no reason... Nobleeagle (Talk) 07:52, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
• Support both. ßlηguγΣη | Have your say!!! - review me 07:55, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Cricket Star

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	The Cricket Star	The Cricket Star is awarded in recognition of sterling contributions to WikiProject Cricket. This award was introduced by jguk on 14 August 2005 but may be awarded by any WikiProject Cricket participant. Award designed by User:Ngb.

• Support This would be good for that wikiproject. evrik 18:46, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
• Support – I agree. Rosa 21:24, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
• Support – I think that the Wikiprojects have the right to create their own awards. – Clockwork Soul 14:09, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
  • • Comment Why does cricket get two? evrik 19:02, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
• Comment Why is it allowed to use the barnstar name and others haven't been? Support, but oppose barnstar appellation. Hiding talk 19:17, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
  • That may have been my mistake from when I placed it on the page. I just edited it. evrik 19:26, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
    • Sweet. Support. Hiding talk 20:54, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
  • I propose that if in the next week the award doesn't get a groundswell of support from its wikiproject or other users that we just place it on the PUA Page as a PUA, and not a barnstar or a wikiproject award. evrik 16:14, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
    • Getting a bit ahead of yourself, are you not? Nobleeagle (Talk) 07:57, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
      • Not at all. It took a little action to get someone to start making some comments. evrik 14:37, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
• Support both. ßlηguγΣη | Have your say!!! - review me 07:55, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
• Support both like Blnguyen. Nobleeagle (Talk) 07:57, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

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I propose that we remove all of the "personal user awards" from here: they're creations by individuals that are meant to be outside of the "community" barnstars. We simply have no right to go and decide whether they should or shouldn't exist. – Clockwork Soul 15:02, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

The guidelines (I don't know if they're changed already) says that anybody can add awards to the PUA according to the favour, and PUA moderators should check out for other awards inside the community and list them there. PUAs don't have, and never had, to go through a proposal of acceptance to be placed. It's, maybe therefore, a common practice for BAP and PUA moderators to put rejected barnstars onto PUA. On many occasions, when a user proposes a new PUA, mods of BAP ask them to put the award directly onto PUA, because BAP is not a location to discuss PUA. It's just a place to debate about the general barnstars. Anybody can create whatever PUA they like. -- D e ryc k C. 15:27, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

An additional comment: as per ClockworkSoul, BAP has no rights to overrule PUA. PUA is a free community (at least freer than the barnstar proposal area). This proposal, to batch-outrule PUAs, is itself not legitimate. -- D e ryc k C. 15:31, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

• I have nothing against the PUA Awards, I just think Barnstar, PUA and ORA pages need to be reorganized. I also think that the wikiproject related stars need to be moved of the PUA page.

What I would also like to see is a more standardized format that the awards are placed on the page detailing the who, what where when and why of each of the awards. evrik 15:46, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

Points of fact:

1. Awards currently on PUA have their dates, PICs of establishment, and nature of use clearly stated.
2. If you just wanna better organize ORAs, consider splitting them onto an additiona page instead of reforming the current PUA. -- D e ryc k C. 15:49, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

• (edit conflict) Ultra-hyper-strong support for removal of PUAs. PUAs don't have to go through any sort of process. -- D e athphoenix ʕ 15:53, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

• Note: None of the awards have been touched, or removed. I think we should let the discusion run it's course. I don't intend on deleting anything, but I hope that by generating some discussion we can improve the process.

Maybe we should move the Wikiproject stars from the PUA Page, move them to the other realted awards page, or create a page for Wikiproject stars?

• Note, not all the PUA's have their dates, PICs of establishment, and nature of use clearly stated. evrik 16:03, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

• Of course not all, because a manually maintained thing can never be perfect. -- D e ryc k C. 16:08, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Ummm, that's not what you said. You said, "Awards currently on PUA have their dates, PICs of establishment, and nature of use clearly stated." Which is it? evrik 18:22, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Counter-boldness: removing the PUAs

I'm going to be bold and lop off the entire section of this page that includes the PUAs. I believe that they were added here in good faith, but in error. If anybody feels that each PUA should be re-added so that we may evaluate the worthiness of each one, then I'll be happy to add my voice towards building a consensus. – Clockwork Soul 19:48, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

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	WikiMedal for Janitorial Service	The WikiMedal for Janitorial Services is a medal with which to reward those doing good janitorial work. This award was introduced by Topbanana on June 16 2004.

• Neutral – hmmmm... I support the idea behind this award, but I'm not too keen about the image. Does anyone has any suggestions for new drafts? Rosa 21:32, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
• Support – It's been around for ages, and I think that it even pre-dates the barnstar system all together. It borders on historical at this point, so I see no reason to discard it. – Clockwork Soul 14:11, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
• Support for grandfathering. evrik 19:03, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

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	Exceptional Newcomer Award	The Exceptional Newcomer Award may be awarded to newcomers who display exceptional enthusiasm, skill, and boldness beyond their experience. This award was introduced by ClockworkSoul on November 7 2004.

• Support – This was discussed in various places and added to the page long before the Proposals page even existed or the community process was put into place. Considering the considerable use it sees (it's been given to dozens of newcomers), I propose we speedy this one in. – Clockwork Soul 01:19, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
• Support – Receiving this award as a newbie made me feel interested in furthering my knowledge about Wikipedia. Rosa 04:20, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
• Keep as where it is now. D e ryc k C. 16:14, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
• Strong Support. This sees relatively heavy use and serves a unique and very important purpose. - Lanoitarus _^(talk) .:. 02:45, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

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	Wiki Wiffle Bat	The Wiki Wiffle Bat is an award given to those who have shown exceptional skill in the area(s) of logic, rationality, dispute resolution/mediation particularly in the face of flames and general animosity. These people keep swinging in the face of long odds and distant goals! This award was introduced by Reene on November 29, 2004.

• Support – This was grandfathered in when the proposals page was created, and has seen a fair amount of use. Plus, it kind of holds a unique place in Wikipedia culture, and has even been paraodied on Uncyclopedia. – Clockwork Soul 01:27, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
• Support I'm all for grandfathering,with maybe tweaking the language. evrik 15:50, 25 March 2006 (UTC) and evrik 14:46, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
• Support – I agree. Rosa 22:14, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
• Slightly Tangental Comment - "Wiffle" is a registered trademark of The Wiffle Ball Co, and its use here is not correct. If this is kept it should be renamed without infringing on the trademark, such as through a different spelling. - Lanoitarus _^(talk) .:. 02:47, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

I've no problem with this and feel rather silly for not considering that the word 'wiffle' may be a trademark. It does take a bit away from the flavor...as I have no witty suggestions for a new name. 63.194.246.108 12:36, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

If there is any such thing as fair use, then this is it, I think. – Clockwork Soul 14:05, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

• I applaud the intention, but, trying to think logically/rationally, I'm not sure if "the furor with which recipients of the award attempt to beat logic into even the thickest of skulls" quite captures Wikipedia's intended spirit...?  Not voting to delete, rather for An alternative, please, David Kernow 17:44, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Hmm... wrenching myself from my pre-existing bias, I'm forced to conclude that you have an excellent point. Perhaps we could at least change the description to something less confrontational? – Clockwork Soul 13:41, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
    • I agree. evrik 21:38, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

The Wiki Wiffle Bat is an award given to those who have shown exceptional skill in the area(s) of logic, rationality, dispute resolution/mediation, and a general attitude that betters Wikipedia as a whole, particularly in the face of flames and general animosity. The Bat itself is intended to represent the furor with which recipients of the award attempt to beat logic into even the thickest of skulls keeping swinging in the face of long odds and distant goals. This award was introduced by Reene on November 29, 2004. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Evrik ( talk • contribs)

• Neat reinterpretation, Evrik; thanks. I'd suggest two simplifications: taking out "and a general attitude that betters Wikipedia as a whole" (a bit vague); and rephrasing the "The Bat itself..." sentence as "These people keep swinging in the face of long odds and distant goals!"  Best wishes, David Kernow 03:17, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

• I'll make the edit. evrik 17:09, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Thanks, evrik. David Kernow 09:17, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

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	WikiProject Macintosh	The Apple With A Bite Taken Out Of It may be awarded to individuals who contribute greatly to Apple Computer- and Apple Macintosh-related articles. This is part of the WikiProject Macintosh. Introduced by grm_wnr on January 10, 2006.

• Neutral - Wikiproject Stars should be held to higher standard than PUA's. evrik 16:06, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
• Support – I think that the Wikiprojects have the right to create their own awards. – Clockwork Soul 14:08, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment I agree that each Wikiproject should be able to give out an award if it chooses, see my comments above. evrik 19:00, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
• Question: As the creator and sole user of this award, I ask where the idea that this award is sanctioned by the WikiProject Macintosh came from. I'm not even a "full member" of the project, I just had that image lying around (it was a proposed and rejected Mac project logo), decided to make it an award instead of deleting it, handed it out to someone and put in on WP:PUA. While I'm sure that WP:MAC has nothing against this award, I just want to note that it has not been voted on, discussed or institutionalized by any project, a fact that (while being completely insignificant to me) seems to matter a lot here. On the other hand, if it pleases you the project could "officially" adopt it, but this might take a while and I'm not in the mood to initiate the proceedings, since I frankly don't care. --  grm_wnr Esc 16:43, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Answer one of the reasons I put these up here was to try and put some order to the pages. If you feel it should be a topic PUA, then when this review is over, we can edit the description to reflect that. Have you posted your thoughts on the WikiProject Macintosh page? evrik 21:37, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
• I propose that if in the next week the award doesn't get a groundswell of support from its wikiproject or other users that we just place it on the PUA Page as a PUA, and not a barnstar or a wikiproject award. evrik 16:10, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

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	WikiProject Indian cinema	The Bollywood Star is awarded to Wikipedians with great contribution to articles related to Indian cinema in general and Bollywood in particular. This is part of the WikiProject Indian cinema. Introduced by Zora.

• Neutral - Wikiproject Stars should be held to higher standard than PUA's. evrik 16:07, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
• Support – This is a very eye-catching image (also beautiful in my opinion) and it does a good job reminding people of Indian culture and Bollywood specifically. Rosa 21:18, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
• Support – I think that the Wikiprojects have the right to create their own awards. – Clockwork Soul 14:08, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment I agree that each Wikiproject should be able to give out an award if it chooses, see my comments above. evrik 19:00, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
• I propose that if in the next week the award doesn't get a groundswell of support from its wikiproject or other users that we just place it on the PUA Page as a PUA, and not a barnstar or a wikiproject award. evrik 16:09, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
• Support Very nice. I like it -- Spartian 01:11, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
• Support, This will be really encouraging for the contributors of WikiProject Indian cinema. -- M.arunprasad 05:19, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
• Support — Great design and a good concept. Colon el Tom 12:26, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

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	Military history WikiProject	The Military history WikiProject Distinguished Service Award can be bestowed on anyone who has made significant contributions to Wikipedia's coverage of military history or to the project itself. Designed by Kirill Lokshin

• Neutral - Wikiproject Stars should be held to higher standard than PUA's. evrik 16:09, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
• Support – I think that the Wikiprojects have the right to create their own awards. – Clockwork Soul 14:08, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment I agree that each Wikiproject should be able to give out an award if it chooses, see my comments above. evrik 18:59, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
• I propose that if in the next week the award doesn't get a groundswell of support from its wikiproject or other users that we just place it on the PUA Page as a PUA, and not a barnstar or a wikiproject award. evrik 16:11, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
• Opppose The design and name are too reminscient of an actual military award. We shouldn't conflate actual military experience with helping out on articles, even in the small way of using a similar symbol. It is disrespectful to the veterans of everyone's armed forces. I would support if the symbol were the barnstary affixed to a bayonet or some similar symbol. JoshuaZ 05:40, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
• Support, obviously. And as per ClockworkSoul, the Military history WikiProject arrived at a consensus to use this award (over a number of other options); where it is to be listed is open for discussion, but it is hardly under the purview of this page to disallow an award entirely unrelated to it. Finally, I'd point out that it would be polite to notify the project of this discussion. Kirill Lok s h in 02:59, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

• Mildly Oppose I never liked the design of the award and felt it deviates too much from the standard barnstar; the barnstar is actually a tiny proportion of the image. I'm also not a fan of these "awards" as they tend to political and in honesty kind of meaningless. Given the inevitability of really good work going unnoticed because the main contributors are humble enough not to push their own work, I'd say the trouble of granting these types of awards is largely wasted. Sorry, Kirill, no offence but as valuable as the Military wiki project is, I see no need for their own award. I think fewer awards for ALL wikipedia articles would be much better. It's kind of like having Academy Awards but just for war movies. It diminishes the award and makes the category itself look like a fringe. Good military articles should be recognized as good Wikipedia articles - not "just" good military wikipedia articles. Michael Dorosh 03:15, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

• On the off-chance that whoever put this up here was not joking, strongly support. Now I think I go and make a page where I ask for a vote on the deletion of this page. Where's the roll-eyes gremlin when you need one? Andreas 07:39, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

• Support, though I find the buraucracy of voting on whether to keep awards that can be given by anyone to anyone completely nonsensical. -- Habap 15:53, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
• Support: Stickin' it to the Man. Albrecht 16:00, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
• Support as I just noticed that this farcical piece of bureaucracy seems to take itself seriously. And I'll second what Kirill Lokshin said - informing the projects in question on this page that for some reason their awards are under scrutiny would be a common courtesy. -- Loopy ^e 02:34, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

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	WikiProject Catholicism and Saints WikiProject	The Saint's Star Award, created for use by all in recognizing individuals who can be described no other way than as saints of this community. This award is also used by the Saints WikiProject and WikiProject Catholicism. Created for saints of the Catholic Church of Wikipedia by Essjay.

• Qualified Support - Wikiproject Stars should be held to higher standard than PUA's. evrik 16:07, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
• Oppose – It looks way too much like the Resilient Barnstar. Rosa 21:50, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
• Support – I think that the Wikiprojects have the right to create their own awards. – Clockwork Soul 14:09, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment I agree that each Wikiproject should be able to give out an award if it chooses, see my comments above. evrik 19:01, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

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The current wanted barnstar looks very silly, as it is actually a milk carton folded. I suggest it be replaced with a sort of "Poster" rather than an ID card.

A "WANTED" poster with a reward would be a good idea. The reward should be in either Wiki-Currency or something similiar, not a specific currencie as this Wikipedia serves all english-speaking countries. Davidpk212 11:28, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

• Are you referring to The Missing Barnstar? Check out the discussion here. evrik 16:55, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
  • That discussion ends with a "yeah, this image could be better, so we'll use the one we have for now", and I think that I'm inclined to agree. The "wanted poster" idea is a very good one. Any artsy-types feel like making something? – Clockwork Soul 22:43, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

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To be given when no on else section does not apply, but it's not to apply as a orginlar barnstar. _{→ A z a Toth} 01:40, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

• I don't understand, "To be given when noother award category applies, but an orginal barnstar isn't enough." Could you explain? evrik 16:12, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

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Is there an award I can give to people for keeping an eye on pages that have to be updated daily or weekly, such as total times of incumbent title-holders? -arctic gnome 05:12, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

• I'd say the Working Man's Barnstar would be a good one, which is for " those who work tirelessly and endlessly on the more laborious or repetitive of Wikipedia tasks." -- gakon5
  • Agree. evrik 15:15, 17 April 2006 (UTC)