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The result was delete. ✗ plicit 01:51, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
Spot Blue International Property
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PROD'd by David Gerard in 2020, but ineligible because of previous PROD. His rationale, which I agree with, follows: Promotional article, created by SPA. No evidence nor claim of notability - article claims are puffery. WP:BEFORE showed no evidence of meeting WP:NCORP or WP:GNG.
(Well, the article was puffery, before it was stripped to the bone, but regardless.)
It was PROD'd in 2013 as spam by Salimfadhley and endorsed by Bearian, but that PROD was removed by Rmbeanie who was an SPA and hasn't edited since. ♠ PMC♠ (talk) 02:37, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Companies, Turkey, and England. ♠ PMC♠ (talk) 02:37, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
- Delete - I could not find much independent coverage when I searched. Chidgk1 ( talk) 09:09, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
- Still Delete per all the above - David Gerard ( talk) 11:23, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
- Delete I'm unable to locate any sources that meet GNG/NCORP criteria for establishing notability. HighKing ++ 14:54, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
- So I made these edits. That was a baptism by fire.
- What counts as Puffery or Notability?
- The business should have enough media coverage to warrant a page?
- The co-director is cited quite frequently in the press. (I'm conscious the daily mail isn't a citable source).
- https://www.albawaba.com/business/real-estate-sector-thrives-turkey-due-lira-plummet-1177392
- https://www.arabnews.com/node/1361941/business-economy
- https://www.arabianbusiness.com/interviews/property/safe-as-houses-524350
- https://www.cnbc.com/2013/12/12/turkeys-property-market-is-hotting-up.html
- https://www.countrylife.co.uk/property/international-property-guides/turkey-the-new-property-hotspot-26688
- https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5877937/Invest-money-second-holiday-home-buy-let-student-digs-child.html
- https://www.dailymail.co.uk/property/article-1161568/Flocking-Turkey-The-Aegean-new-retirement-hot-spot.html
- https://www.dailymail.co.uk/property/article-1268238/Top-end-Turkish-treats-High-spec-contemporary-homes-gorgeous-Turquoise-coast.html
- https://www.dailymail.co.uk/property/article-1302815/Its-knockout-Ricky-Hatton-fighting-form-Turkish-coast.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
- https://www.dailymail.co.uk/property/article-1306659/Turkey-shore-bet-The-holiday-home-market-thriving-Turquoise-Coast.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
- https://www.dailymail.co.uk/property/article-1344945/Well-hello-sunshine-That-dream-home-reach-look-long-hard-plunge.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
- https://www.dailymail.co.uk/property/article-1293340/Talking-Turkey-From-Istanbul-golf-getaways-Antalya-prospects-sunny.html
- https://www.dailymail.co.uk/property/article-2043781/All-abroad-Tempted-buy-dream-home-overseas-Smart--look-leap.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
- https://www.dailymail.co.uk/property/article-2136188/Plunge-Aegean-Holiday-home-buyers-beginning-Turkish-coast-irresistible.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
- https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/property/349027/Bodrum-s-not-just-for-billionaires
- https://www.express.co.uk/travel/articles/1522466/british-expats-portugal-exclusive-destination-comporta
- https://www.ft.com/content/fb64a564-29a3-11e0-bb9b-00144feab49a#axzz1CblKEdrc
- https://www.ft.com/content/8090f736-83d8-11e5-8e80-1574112844fd
- https://www.theguardian.com/money/2008/jul/13/buyingpropertyabroad.property?gusrc=rss&feed=money
- https://www.theguardian.com/money/gallery/2009/jan/17/property-house-prices-snooping-around?picture=341869000
- https://www.theguardian.com/money/gallery/2010/may/27/snooping-around-homes-market?picture=363100259
- https://www.theguardian.com/money/gallery/2010/sep/07/trading-up-trading-down-properties#/?picture=366493248&index=4
- https://gulfbusiness.com/deals-to-be-done-in-turkish-property/
- https://gulfnews.com/travel/destinations/look-before-you-leap-1.1247588
- https://www.hurriyet.com.tr/gundem/good-news-for-bodrum-real-estate-11061361
- https://www.hurriyet.com.tr/ekonomi/walker-avrupa-turkiye-den-cok-sey-ogrenebilir-19788982
- https://www.independent.co.uk/money/mortgages/turkey-and-beyond-rewards-of-buying-in-the-risks-and-distant-lands-790195.html
- https://www.invest.gov.tr/en/news/news-from-turkey/pages/tbcci-supports-turkey-government.aspx
- https://www.dailymail.co.uk/property/article-1268950/Why-Turkeys-Antalya-coastline-course-Algarve.html
- https://www.mansionglobal.com/articles/turkish-property-sales-to-foreigners-rose-75-year-on-year-in-september-79453
- https://www.mansionglobal.com/articles/new-york-miami-and-paris-may-benefit-from-a-stabilizing-u-k-210765
- https://www.mansionglobal.com/articles/what-does-2-5m-buy-you-in-cheshire-warwickshire-cornwall-turkey-and-scotland-138581
- https://www.mansionglobal.com/articles/lisbon-and-portuguese-resort-spots-on-the-rise-89130
- https://www.mansionglobal.com/articles/this-niche-u-k-property-type-is-getting-its-place-in-the-sun-211033
- https://www.mirror.co.uk/money/7-places-you-can-live-10925373
- https://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/27/greathomesanddestinations/house-hunting-on-the-turkish-aegean.html?_r=1
- https://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/03/greathomesanddestinations/real-estate-in-turkey.html
- https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/06/realestate/waterfront-homes-emerging-areas.html
- https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/02/realestate/turkey-waterfront-homes.html
- https://www.propertyweek.com/residential-and-development/turkish-delight-but-for-how-long/5070602.article?/5070602.article
- https://www.rightmove.co.uk/overseas-magazine/turkeys-calming-effect/
- https://www.scmp.com/property/international/article/1337300/foreigners-flock-turkey
- https://www.scmp.com/magazines/style/news-trends/article/3043645/how-brexit-and-staycations-have-fuelled-uks-holiday
- https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/where-to-buy-a-holiday-home-in-europe-for-less-than-pound50000-nhk0htrxtkv
- https://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/property/retirement/8841000/Top-20-cheapest-places-to-retire.html
- https://www.telegraph.co.uk/property/abroad/1m-homes-around-the-world-for-the-price-of-a-one-bed-flat-in-lon/
- https://www.theguardian.com/money/gallery/2009/apr/29/property-gallery-house-prices?picture=346628791
- https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/homes-and-property/take-five-for-1-2-million-1.772525
- https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/homes-and-property/take-five-for-595-000-1.726842
- https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/homes-and-property/2.815/take-five-for-400-000-1.642766
- https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/what-does-2-5m-buy-you-in-cheshire-warwickshire-cornwall-turkey-and-scotland-xlp3n7pgr?--xx-meta=denied_for_visit%3D0%26visit_number%3D0%26visit_remaining%3D0%26visit_used%3D0&--xx-mvt-opted-out=false&--xx-uuid=85648138600ded5c1355ba0e01f57c9e&ni-statuscode=acsaz-307
- https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/mortgageshome/article-1631059/Property-abroad-The-delights-of-Turkey.html
- https://www.milliyet.com.tr/ekonomi/spot-blueya-en-prestijli-odul-1610841
- https://www.milliyet.com.tr/ekonomi/korfeze-savunma-istanbul-a-luks-konut-cikarmasi-yapti-1493443
- https://www.aa.com.tr/en/economy/turkey-2014-business-review/88116
- https://www.aa.com.tr/tr/ekonomi/taksim-olaylarina-ragmen-iyi-bir-hafta-iyi-bir-ay-gecirdik/240062
- https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702303661904576455481426045582#%2F8
- https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052970203388804576612602261149530#house
- https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702303734204577466103689995264
- https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702303360504577409781854486066
-
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/foreign-turkish-property-investments-reach-121500975.html
Marksharron (
talk) 15:04, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
- Notability isn't inherited; it doesn't matter where or how often the co-director is quoted (or indeed even if he himself is notable). What we are looking for is significant coverage of the actual company and its operations, not just trivial mentions of it in articles about other things (which is what you've got above). You may want to took a look at the notability criteria for companies, which also discusses in some greater depth what kind of sources are good for supporting a claim to notability with regards to a company. ♠ PMC♠ (talk) 23:50, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
- Delete. The company and its directors were not notable in 2013, based on virtually no citations at all from before 10 years ago. That one of its directors might be notable now does not translate to notability of a company, unless we Pierce the veil. Bearian ( talk) 12:34, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
- Delete - I cannot find anything that meets WP:ORGCRIT unless @ Marksharron: is able to point out some of the wall of references listed above.-- CNMall41 ( talk) 22:17, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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The result was delete. ✗ plicit 01:51, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
Spot Blue International Property
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PROD'd by David Gerard in 2020, but ineligible because of previous PROD. His rationale, which I agree with, follows: Promotional article, created by SPA. No evidence nor claim of notability - article claims are puffery. WP:BEFORE showed no evidence of meeting WP:NCORP or WP:GNG.
(Well, the article was puffery, before it was stripped to the bone, but regardless.)
It was PROD'd in 2013 as spam by Salimfadhley and endorsed by Bearian, but that PROD was removed by Rmbeanie who was an SPA and hasn't edited since. ♠ PMC♠ (talk) 02:37, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Companies, Turkey, and England. ♠ PMC♠ (talk) 02:37, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
- Delete - I could not find much independent coverage when I searched. Chidgk1 ( talk) 09:09, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
- Still Delete per all the above - David Gerard ( talk) 11:23, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
- Delete I'm unable to locate any sources that meet GNG/NCORP criteria for establishing notability. HighKing ++ 14:54, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
- So I made these edits. That was a baptism by fire.
- What counts as Puffery or Notability?
- The business should have enough media coverage to warrant a page?
- The co-director is cited quite frequently in the press. (I'm conscious the daily mail isn't a citable source).
- https://www.albawaba.com/business/real-estate-sector-thrives-turkey-due-lira-plummet-1177392
- https://www.arabnews.com/node/1361941/business-economy
- https://www.arabianbusiness.com/interviews/property/safe-as-houses-524350
- https://www.cnbc.com/2013/12/12/turkeys-property-market-is-hotting-up.html
- https://www.countrylife.co.uk/property/international-property-guides/turkey-the-new-property-hotspot-26688
- https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5877937/Invest-money-second-holiday-home-buy-let-student-digs-child.html
- https://www.dailymail.co.uk/property/article-1161568/Flocking-Turkey-The-Aegean-new-retirement-hot-spot.html
- https://www.dailymail.co.uk/property/article-1268238/Top-end-Turkish-treats-High-spec-contemporary-homes-gorgeous-Turquoise-coast.html
- https://www.dailymail.co.uk/property/article-1302815/Its-knockout-Ricky-Hatton-fighting-form-Turkish-coast.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
- https://www.dailymail.co.uk/property/article-1306659/Turkey-shore-bet-The-holiday-home-market-thriving-Turquoise-Coast.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
- https://www.dailymail.co.uk/property/article-1344945/Well-hello-sunshine-That-dream-home-reach-look-long-hard-plunge.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
- https://www.dailymail.co.uk/property/article-1293340/Talking-Turkey-From-Istanbul-golf-getaways-Antalya-prospects-sunny.html
- https://www.dailymail.co.uk/property/article-2043781/All-abroad-Tempted-buy-dream-home-overseas-Smart--look-leap.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
- https://www.dailymail.co.uk/property/article-2136188/Plunge-Aegean-Holiday-home-buyers-beginning-Turkish-coast-irresistible.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
- https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/property/349027/Bodrum-s-not-just-for-billionaires
- https://www.express.co.uk/travel/articles/1522466/british-expats-portugal-exclusive-destination-comporta
- https://www.ft.com/content/fb64a564-29a3-11e0-bb9b-00144feab49a#axzz1CblKEdrc
- https://www.ft.com/content/8090f736-83d8-11e5-8e80-1574112844fd
- https://www.theguardian.com/money/2008/jul/13/buyingpropertyabroad.property?gusrc=rss&feed=money
- https://www.theguardian.com/money/gallery/2009/jan/17/property-house-prices-snooping-around?picture=341869000
- https://www.theguardian.com/money/gallery/2010/may/27/snooping-around-homes-market?picture=363100259
- https://www.theguardian.com/money/gallery/2010/sep/07/trading-up-trading-down-properties#/?picture=366493248&index=4
- https://gulfbusiness.com/deals-to-be-done-in-turkish-property/
- https://gulfnews.com/travel/destinations/look-before-you-leap-1.1247588
- https://www.hurriyet.com.tr/gundem/good-news-for-bodrum-real-estate-11061361
- https://www.hurriyet.com.tr/ekonomi/walker-avrupa-turkiye-den-cok-sey-ogrenebilir-19788982
- https://www.independent.co.uk/money/mortgages/turkey-and-beyond-rewards-of-buying-in-the-risks-and-distant-lands-790195.html
- https://www.invest.gov.tr/en/news/news-from-turkey/pages/tbcci-supports-turkey-government.aspx
- https://www.dailymail.co.uk/property/article-1268950/Why-Turkeys-Antalya-coastline-course-Algarve.html
- https://www.mansionglobal.com/articles/turkish-property-sales-to-foreigners-rose-75-year-on-year-in-september-79453
- https://www.mansionglobal.com/articles/new-york-miami-and-paris-may-benefit-from-a-stabilizing-u-k-210765
- https://www.mansionglobal.com/articles/what-does-2-5m-buy-you-in-cheshire-warwickshire-cornwall-turkey-and-scotland-138581
- https://www.mansionglobal.com/articles/lisbon-and-portuguese-resort-spots-on-the-rise-89130
- https://www.mansionglobal.com/articles/this-niche-u-k-property-type-is-getting-its-place-in-the-sun-211033
- https://www.mirror.co.uk/money/7-places-you-can-live-10925373
- https://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/27/greathomesanddestinations/house-hunting-on-the-turkish-aegean.html?_r=1
- https://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/03/greathomesanddestinations/real-estate-in-turkey.html
- https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/06/realestate/waterfront-homes-emerging-areas.html
- https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/02/realestate/turkey-waterfront-homes.html
- https://www.propertyweek.com/residential-and-development/turkish-delight-but-for-how-long/5070602.article?/5070602.article
- https://www.rightmove.co.uk/overseas-magazine/turkeys-calming-effect/
- https://www.scmp.com/property/international/article/1337300/foreigners-flock-turkey
- https://www.scmp.com/magazines/style/news-trends/article/3043645/how-brexit-and-staycations-have-fuelled-uks-holiday
- https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/where-to-buy-a-holiday-home-in-europe-for-less-than-pound50000-nhk0htrxtkv
- https://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/property/retirement/8841000/Top-20-cheapest-places-to-retire.html
- https://www.telegraph.co.uk/property/abroad/1m-homes-around-the-world-for-the-price-of-a-one-bed-flat-in-lon/
- https://www.theguardian.com/money/gallery/2009/apr/29/property-gallery-house-prices?picture=346628791
- https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/homes-and-property/take-five-for-1-2-million-1.772525
- https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/homes-and-property/take-five-for-595-000-1.726842
- https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/homes-and-property/2.815/take-five-for-400-000-1.642766
- https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/what-does-2-5m-buy-you-in-cheshire-warwickshire-cornwall-turkey-and-scotland-xlp3n7pgr?--xx-meta=denied_for_visit%3D0%26visit_number%3D0%26visit_remaining%3D0%26visit_used%3D0&--xx-mvt-opted-out=false&--xx-uuid=85648138600ded5c1355ba0e01f57c9e&ni-statuscode=acsaz-307
- https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/mortgageshome/article-1631059/Property-abroad-The-delights-of-Turkey.html
- https://www.milliyet.com.tr/ekonomi/spot-blueya-en-prestijli-odul-1610841
- https://www.milliyet.com.tr/ekonomi/korfeze-savunma-istanbul-a-luks-konut-cikarmasi-yapti-1493443
- https://www.aa.com.tr/en/economy/turkey-2014-business-review/88116
- https://www.aa.com.tr/tr/ekonomi/taksim-olaylarina-ragmen-iyi-bir-hafta-iyi-bir-ay-gecirdik/240062
- https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702303661904576455481426045582#%2F8
- https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052970203388804576612602261149530#house
- https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702303734204577466103689995264
- https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702303360504577409781854486066
-
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/foreign-turkish-property-investments-reach-121500975.html
Marksharron (
talk) 15:04, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
- Notability isn't inherited; it doesn't matter where or how often the co-director is quoted (or indeed even if he himself is notable). What we are looking for is significant coverage of the actual company and its operations, not just trivial mentions of it in articles about other things (which is what you've got above). You may want to took a look at the notability criteria for companies, which also discusses in some greater depth what kind of sources are good for supporting a claim to notability with regards to a company. ♠ PMC♠ (talk) 23:50, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
- Delete. The company and its directors were not notable in 2013, based on virtually no citations at all from before 10 years ago. That one of its directors might be notable now does not translate to notability of a company, unless we Pierce the veil. Bearian ( talk) 12:34, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
- Delete - I cannot find anything that meets WP:ORGCRIT unless @ Marksharron: is able to point out some of the wall of references listed above.-- CNMall41 ( talk) 22:17, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.