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The result was delete. From the sources provided it does not seem that enough notability has been established to meet WP:NMUSIC, WP:GNG or WP:BAND. — Coffee // have a cup // essay // 15:09, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
Sienna Skies
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Non-notable band lacking Ghits and GNEWS of substance. The one non-trivial reference in the article is a review of an album by the group. Appears to fail WP:NMUSIC. reddogsix ( talk) 12:43, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
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- Delete - I de-speedied it as there was some form of notability asserted (my edit summary gives more detail), and because it was tagged rather too close after creation for my liking. However, in terms of in-depth, reliable sources I can't turn up any more than [1], which is already present in the article, and given how low the review score is, I can't see there being much point userifying it, as my crystal ball doesn't see there being enormous hope for this band to become more notable, and there really isn't much in the article anyway. I can find plenty on them having toured with notable bands, and this source of questionable reliability, plus a few things on them signing for InVogue Records, but that's about it. Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 23:51, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
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- Delete. Like Lukeno94 above, I found some articles that mention this group opening for/touring with notable bands, but I am unable to find evidence of significant coverage that would help to satisfy WP:GNG or WP:BAND. Gong show 00:13, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
- Comment - have just undertake my own quick search on the band & have found numerous references, inlcuding one that indicates the band toured New Zealand in 2007, 2010 and 2013 - as well as touring (numerous times) the eastern states of Australia. In 2012 the band signed with an international label, inVogue Records, who released their second album. This would appear to be getting close to if not satisfying criteria #4 & 5 of WP:NMUSIC. I think that the original editor should be given some time to bring the article up to speed, with some assistance from some more seasoned editors. Dan arndt ( talk) 05:56, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
- Care to share some of them in here? 90% of the references in WP:RS I found were pieces about them signing on to InVogue, and nothing else. Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 07:40, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
- Sorry R/L interferring with my wiki-editing - just a quick response - try [2], [3], [4] & [5]; inVogue Records: [6], [7], [8], [9]. If I had the time at the momment I'd try and assist by improving the article - maybe in the next couple of days. Dan arndt ( talk) 01:45, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
- Several of those are routine announcements about tours or being signed. The AllMusic source proves absolutely nothing whatsoever - it's just an album list. Only two sources, in fact, aren't purely routine; and they're the first two. Of those two, the first one is very clearly a press release, and isn't independent of the band (they're selling the band's tickets) - the second one, assuming it's a reliable source (which it does appear to be), is literally the only thing usable for notability there. A couple more sources like that one, and then we're looking at something notable; at the moment, it's part way there. Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 08:34, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
- My thoughts were that some of the references go to clearly establishing that Sienna Skies has undertaken "an international concert tour, or a national concert tour in at least one sovereign country." Dan arndt ( talk) 08:10, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
- Except that most of the destinations are clearly just bars or minor clubs, and when they're at bigger ones, they're very much in a minor supporting role. Still not convinced. Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 08:28, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
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The result was delete. From the sources provided it does not seem that enough notability has been established to meet WP:NMUSIC, WP:GNG or WP:BAND. — Coffee // have a cup // essay // 15:09, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
Sienna Skies
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Non-notable band lacking Ghits and GNEWS of substance. The one non-trivial reference in the article is a review of an album by the group. Appears to fail WP:NMUSIC. reddogsix ( talk) 12:43, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 15:08, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 15:08, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
- Delete - I de-speedied it as there was some form of notability asserted (my edit summary gives more detail), and because it was tagged rather too close after creation for my liking. However, in terms of in-depth, reliable sources I can't turn up any more than [1], which is already present in the article, and given how low the review score is, I can't see there being much point userifying it, as my crystal ball doesn't see there being enormous hope for this band to become more notable, and there really isn't much in the article anyway. I can find plenty on them having toured with notable bands, and this source of questionable reliability, plus a few things on them signing for InVogue Records, but that's about it. Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 23:51, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
- Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, The Bushranger One ping only 01:03, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
- Delete. Like Lukeno94 above, I found some articles that mention this group opening for/touring with notable bands, but I am unable to find evidence of significant coverage that would help to satisfy WP:GNG or WP:BAND. Gong show 00:13, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
- Comment - have just undertake my own quick search on the band & have found numerous references, inlcuding one that indicates the band toured New Zealand in 2007, 2010 and 2013 - as well as touring (numerous times) the eastern states of Australia. In 2012 the band signed with an international label, inVogue Records, who released their second album. This would appear to be getting close to if not satisfying criteria #4 & 5 of WP:NMUSIC. I think that the original editor should be given some time to bring the article up to speed, with some assistance from some more seasoned editors. Dan arndt ( talk) 05:56, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
- Care to share some of them in here? 90% of the references in WP:RS I found were pieces about them signing on to InVogue, and nothing else. Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 07:40, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
- Sorry R/L interferring with my wiki-editing - just a quick response - try [2], [3], [4] & [5]; inVogue Records: [6], [7], [8], [9]. If I had the time at the momment I'd try and assist by improving the article - maybe in the next couple of days. Dan arndt ( talk) 01:45, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
- Several of those are routine announcements about tours or being signed. The AllMusic source proves absolutely nothing whatsoever - it's just an album list. Only two sources, in fact, aren't purely routine; and they're the first two. Of those two, the first one is very clearly a press release, and isn't independent of the band (they're selling the band's tickets) - the second one, assuming it's a reliable source (which it does appear to be), is literally the only thing usable for notability there. A couple more sources like that one, and then we're looking at something notable; at the moment, it's part way there. Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 08:34, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
- My thoughts were that some of the references go to clearly establishing that Sienna Skies has undertaken "an international concert tour, or a national concert tour in at least one sovereign country." Dan arndt ( talk) 08:10, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
- Except that most of the destinations are clearly just bars or minor clubs, and when they're at bigger ones, they're very much in a minor supporting role. Still not convinced. Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 08:28, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
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