- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was keep. First, there is the issue of the G5 speedy deletion criterion ("Creations by banned or blocked users"). The WP:G5 policy clarifies:
- This applies to pages created by banned or blocked users in violation of their ban or block, and that have no substantial edits by others.
At the time of the nomination, and the speedy delete votes early on in the discussion, this did apply and the page would have been a valid speedy deletion candidate. However, during the course of the discussion, an admirable effort to expand and rewrite the entire article has taken place, so the "no substantial edits by others" part of the criterion is no longer applicable. Indeed, consensus now appears to be that the subject passes notability requirements. Sjakkalle (Check!) 20:02, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
Sergey Pryadkin
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Created by a banned sockpuppet, and most of the coverage seems to be WP:ROUTINE. Considered PROD, but decided against given that the sources here. Allan Nonymous ( talk) 14:42, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy delete: G5: No other users except for the sockpuppet has made any substantial edits. Additionally almost all references are WP:ROUTINE and as such fail WP:GNG. Nagol0929 ( talk) 15:05, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People, Football, and Russia. Skynxnex ( talk) 15:45, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy delete – Per above. Svartner ( talk) 16:47, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 13:58, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 14:21, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy delete given the article's history. Anwegmann ( talk) 00:40, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- Keep 14 years at the head of the
Russian Football Premier League, one of the main people in Russian football. Detailed articles about the person’s activities in
Novaya Gazeta
[1] and
RBC Group
[2].--
Анатолий Росдашин (
talk) 06:11, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- Probably better to cover his role in that article then, per WP:BLP1E. Allan Nonymous ( talk) 13:40, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Before we move on to extant sources, we should note that the article's subject (a) has been the president of the top-tier Russian football league for fourteen years, (b) has been vice president of Russia's football association, and (c) has served in
UEFA's top councils & committees. These attributes, on their own, support subject's independent notability, even if we were to have only sources that would simply state them and nothing more. Yet,
sources exist, in ample numbers:
Associated Press
article];
Tass reports
here,
here, and many more;
The Guardian
report on Pryadkin & racism in football; etc. -
The Gnome (
talk) 20:34, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
- AP source is WP:ROUTINE, WP:TASS is unreliable and, the Guardian source is a short clip that lacks WP:DEPTH. Allan Nonymous ( talk) 23:12, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
- Look more carefully:
Tass is
a biased source with respect to topics in which the Russian government may have an interest
and it is alsogenerally unreliable for providing contentious facts in that context
. But, here, we're not debating the veracity of a claim by the Russian government, or something similar. This is about notability. And Tass, among many other sources, reports that our subject is president of a top sporting organization and has been for a significant number of years, with information about the office and other bureaucratic details - a position which, per se, renders him notable. One can hardly imagine the BLP of any person in charge of a country's (and not a small country's either) top football authority not having a Wikipedia article! - The Associated Press report is but one of the many reports, a lot of which are, as expected, routine, about the doings and sayings of the person in charge of the top Russian football authority, i.e Pryadkin. As to The Guardian report, I'm afraid we'll disagree. I find nothing "shallow" about the Russian footy top honcho claiming in depth on British media that racism in England is worse than racism in Russia. I wonder if you watched it but that's not too important: perpaps if they had a transcript instead you'd see it better. Anyway, the person is famous per sources; not only Wikinotable. - The Gnome ( talk) 17:13, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- Look more carefully:
Tass is
- Keep: The subject of significant coverage in Sport RBC, TASS, AP, and has an entire dedicated video from The Guardian. Allan Nonymous mentions that the role at Russian Football Premier League is WP:BLP1E but the individual's role is very well documented, as explained by The Gnome. Coop ( talk) 09:13, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Added information & sources. - The Gnome ( talk) 15:00, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per WP:HEY, as improved by The Gnome. BD2412 T 19:31, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was keep. First, there is the issue of the G5 speedy deletion criterion ("Creations by banned or blocked users"). The WP:G5 policy clarifies:
- This applies to pages created by banned or blocked users in violation of their ban or block, and that have no substantial edits by others.
At the time of the nomination, and the speedy delete votes early on in the discussion, this did apply and the page would have been a valid speedy deletion candidate. However, during the course of the discussion, an admirable effort to expand and rewrite the entire article has taken place, so the "no substantial edits by others" part of the criterion is no longer applicable. Indeed, consensus now appears to be that the subject passes notability requirements. Sjakkalle (Check!) 20:02, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
Sergey Pryadkin
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Created by a banned sockpuppet, and most of the coverage seems to be WP:ROUTINE. Considered PROD, but decided against given that the sources here. Allan Nonymous ( talk) 14:42, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy delete: G5: No other users except for the sockpuppet has made any substantial edits. Additionally almost all references are WP:ROUTINE and as such fail WP:GNG. Nagol0929 ( talk) 15:05, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People, Football, and Russia. Skynxnex ( talk) 15:45, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy delete – Per above. Svartner ( talk) 16:47, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 13:58, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 14:21, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy delete given the article's history. Anwegmann ( talk) 00:40, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- Keep 14 years at the head of the
Russian Football Premier League, one of the main people in Russian football. Detailed articles about the person’s activities in
Novaya Gazeta
[1] and
RBC Group
[2].--
Анатолий Росдашин (
talk) 06:11, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- Probably better to cover his role in that article then, per WP:BLP1E. Allan Nonymous ( talk) 13:40, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Before we move on to extant sources, we should note that the article's subject (a) has been the president of the top-tier Russian football league for fourteen years, (b) has been vice president of Russia's football association, and (c) has served in
UEFA's top councils & committees. These attributes, on their own, support subject's independent notability, even if we were to have only sources that would simply state them and nothing more. Yet,
sources exist, in ample numbers:
Associated Press
article];
Tass reports
here,
here, and many more;
The Guardian
report on Pryadkin & racism in football; etc. -
The Gnome (
talk) 20:34, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
- AP source is WP:ROUTINE, WP:TASS is unreliable and, the Guardian source is a short clip that lacks WP:DEPTH. Allan Nonymous ( talk) 23:12, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
- Look more carefully:
Tass is
a biased source with respect to topics in which the Russian government may have an interest
and it is alsogenerally unreliable for providing contentious facts in that context
. But, here, we're not debating the veracity of a claim by the Russian government, or something similar. This is about notability. And Tass, among many other sources, reports that our subject is president of a top sporting organization and has been for a significant number of years, with information about the office and other bureaucratic details - a position which, per se, renders him notable. One can hardly imagine the BLP of any person in charge of a country's (and not a small country's either) top football authority not having a Wikipedia article! - The Associated Press report is but one of the many reports, a lot of which are, as expected, routine, about the doings and sayings of the person in charge of the top Russian football authority, i.e Pryadkin. As to The Guardian report, I'm afraid we'll disagree. I find nothing "shallow" about the Russian footy top honcho claiming in depth on British media that racism in England is worse than racism in Russia. I wonder if you watched it but that's not too important: perpaps if they had a transcript instead you'd see it better. Anyway, the person is famous per sources; not only Wikinotable. - The Gnome ( talk) 17:13, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- Look more carefully:
Tass is
- Keep: The subject of significant coverage in Sport RBC, TASS, AP, and has an entire dedicated video from The Guardian. Allan Nonymous mentions that the role at Russian Football Premier League is WP:BLP1E but the individual's role is very well documented, as explained by The Gnome. Coop ( talk) 09:13, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Added information & sources. - The Gnome ( talk) 15:00, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per WP:HEY, as improved by The Gnome. BD2412 T 19:31, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.