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The result was no consensus. Liz Read! Talk! 01:51, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
Ray Martínez
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Doesn't meet WP:MUSICBIO. Has worked with many notable musicians, and his name appears in the credits for many songs as writer, producer and musician, but I can't find significant coverage of him in reliable secondary sources. The best I managed was the short 1986 Billboard reference I've added, which describes him as a "veteran producer", and his plans for new releases. For the rest of the vague claims here, about him helping to originate the "Miami sound" (editors searching for that, please exclude the word "Machine" from the search, as he wasn't involved with Miami Sound Machine), or about being invited to join Frankie Valli and the Four Seasons, awards, inductions into halls of fame, etc., I've found nothing. Wikishovel ( talk) 06:58, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Bands and musicians and Florida. Wikishovel ( talk) 06:58, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Dance and Cuba. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 10:53, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: Article is full of dubious, unsourced claims and I'm unable to find any articles covering him or his work. InDimensional ( talk) 12:55, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
- Weak keep haven't done a full search yet but did find a staff written bio at AllMusic here to go with the Billboard reference, but more biographical details are needed imv Atlantic306 ( talk) 00:02, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete The article has too many issues and barely passes WP:NMUSICIAN. @T.C.G. [talk] 17:20, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 06:21, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Weak keep. As well as the Allmusic bio, I found a few sources covering him, although not in much depth: Billboard: [1], [2], [3], Books: [4]. -- Michig ( talk) 12:21, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 08:04, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Keep though slightly reluctantly. There are a handful of passing mentions of Martinez in RS, and judging by his career he is someone who should have an article but the lack of dedicated sources to him makes me dubious. What ultimately has pushed me over the line is this dedicated (though short) entry to Martinez in a book. Unfortunately I think this article will most likely stay a stub unless more full sources emerge. Vladimir.copic ( talk) 00:06, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Final relist.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Shadow311 ( talk) 15:57, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: No SIGCOV. An article of s musician that fails WP:MUSICBIO and WP:GNG. Even out of Co side ration, has meny case of unverifiable statements. Per WP:BEFORE, yet came out with databases and external links. Safari Scribe Edits! Talk! 16:13, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
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The result was no consensus. Liz Read! Talk! 01:51, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
Ray Martínez
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Doesn't meet WP:MUSICBIO. Has worked with many notable musicians, and his name appears in the credits for many songs as writer, producer and musician, but I can't find significant coverage of him in reliable secondary sources. The best I managed was the short 1986 Billboard reference I've added, which describes him as a "veteran producer", and his plans for new releases. For the rest of the vague claims here, about him helping to originate the "Miami sound" (editors searching for that, please exclude the word "Machine" from the search, as he wasn't involved with Miami Sound Machine), or about being invited to join Frankie Valli and the Four Seasons, awards, inductions into halls of fame, etc., I've found nothing. Wikishovel ( talk) 06:58, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Bands and musicians and Florida. Wikishovel ( talk) 06:58, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Dance and Cuba. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 10:53, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: Article is full of dubious, unsourced claims and I'm unable to find any articles covering him or his work. InDimensional ( talk) 12:55, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
- Weak keep haven't done a full search yet but did find a staff written bio at AllMusic here to go with the Billboard reference, but more biographical details are needed imv Atlantic306 ( talk) 00:02, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete The article has too many issues and barely passes WP:NMUSICIAN. @T.C.G. [talk] 17:20, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 06:21, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Weak keep. As well as the Allmusic bio, I found a few sources covering him, although not in much depth: Billboard: [1], [2], [3], Books: [4]. -- Michig ( talk) 12:21, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 08:04, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Keep though slightly reluctantly. There are a handful of passing mentions of Martinez in RS, and judging by his career he is someone who should have an article but the lack of dedicated sources to him makes me dubious. What ultimately has pushed me over the line is this dedicated (though short) entry to Martinez in a book. Unfortunately I think this article will most likely stay a stub unless more full sources emerge. Vladimir.copic ( talk) 00:06, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Final relist.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Shadow311 ( talk) 15:57, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: No SIGCOV. An article of s musician that fails WP:MUSICBIO and WP:GNG. Even out of Co side ration, has meny case of unverifiable statements. Per WP:BEFORE, yet came out with databases and external links. Safari Scribe Edits! Talk! 16:13, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.