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The result was keep. Ixfd64 ( talk) 16:14, 23 March 2021 (UTC) reply

Mehvish Mushtaq

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Very few sources; The Hindu Source is regurgitated. Rest sources aren't reliable . And Is notable for one event i-e Dial Kashmir app so it is a WP:BLP1E. Has recieved NariShakti award but still doesn't provide enough reasons for notability. Last news dates back to 2013, no other notable activity since then. -- Jammumylove Talk to me or ^{CHECK MY RECENT WORK} 04:43, 7 March 2021 (UTC) reply

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• Keep based on the revisions and sources I added, per WP:BASIC for her historic achievement in 2013, for which news coverage has been WP:SUSTAINED through 2018, including because of her 2017 Nari Shakti Puraskar award. Notability is WP:NOTTEMPORARY, and this does not appear to be WP:BLP1E, because sources cover Mushtaq over time, including in the context of her awards, so she did not remain low-profile after her 2013 achievement, and it was significant, her role substantial and well-documented, and the coverage in reliable sources has been persistent. Beccaynr ( talk) 18:52, 7 March 2021 (UTC) reply

Comment: @ Beccaynr:.I guess it even fails WP:GNG there's no in depth or significant coverage in a reliable source, see WP:RS. The Hindu article is an regurgitated copy of PTI release. As far as Awards are concerned WP:NAWARD states that This is a failed proposal so her Awards can't be considered as her notability factor. I would not push my POV here, but Dial Kashmir was viral back in 2013-2014 but it's defunct now. Also as far as WP:BLP1E is concerned, Could you state a source which significantly cover's her other work apart from Dial Kashmir?. Also i see no source covering her or her work properly after 2013 apart from the 2018 award. Since you've tried to improve this, if you could give sources for that it isn't a WP:BLP1E and has significant indepth coverage in multiple reliable article's, I'd be happy to withdraw the nomination. -- Jammumylove Talk to me or ^{CHECK MY RECENT WORK} 22:01, 7 March 2021 (UTC) reply

Comment Per WP:BASIC, "If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability," so "23-yr-old girl becomes first in Kashmir to launch an Android app" (FirstPost/Press Trust India, reprinted in various publications with varying amounts of information, 2013), "Touch to Reach Kashmir" (Bangalore Mirror, 2014), Awesome new ideas for a better tomorrow (Hindustan Times, 2014), "Women in Male-Dominated Professions" (Times of India, 2015), "Kashmiri girl awarded for innovative thinking" (Kashmiri Observer, 2016), "Behind Every Successful Woman, There is a Story" (The New Indian Express, 2016), "Technology is the key: Up-skill at will!" (Asian Age, 2017), "International Women's Day: India's 6 most powerful women who defeated all odds" (Tech Observer 2018), "Nari Shakti Puraskars: President Kovind Honours the Achievers" (PTI, 2018), "Women's Day: President honours 39 with 'Nari Shakti Puraskar'" (IANS, 2018) show that the persistent coverage and notability is not just due to creating the app. Beccaynr ( talk) 22:22, 7 March 2021 (UTC) reply

Comment: @ Beccaynr:, "show that the persistent coverage and notability is not just due to creating the app." have you checked/ read these sources? they all just talk about her developing the Dial Kashmir App, And the other sources are more of Trivial Mentions as they discuss multiple more people in those article's, and as Per WP:BASIC : trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources may not be sufficient to establish notability. Again i'd repeat As far as Awards are concerned WP:NAWARD states that This is a failed proposal so her Awards can't be considered as her notability factor, even if we ignore the fact that she was again awarded just for the App because i am unable to find any other work which she has done and was awarded for it. If there's any other source which discusses her apart from the App, kindly share it. -- Jammumylove Talk to me or ^{CHECK MY RECENT WORK} 01:26, 8 March 2021 (UTC) reply

Comment, Per WP:GNG, "Significant coverage is more than a trivial mention, but it does not need to be the main topic of the source material," so when Mushtaq is featured in the context of other notable people, it can still help establish notability. Per note 7 in WP:BASIC, "Non-triviality is a measure of the depth of content of a published work, and how far removed that content is from a simple directory entry or a mention in passing," and I think particularly when Mushtaq is featured in reports on notable women, this is distinct commentary and coverage, even though it is related to the app, and it is not a trivial mention made in passing - according to multiple independent and reliable sources, she overcame noteworthy challenges when she developed the app. The coverage endured and focused on her as an inspiration to others; her awards also seem to contribute to her notability when news outlets find it worthy of notice. Beccaynr ( talk) 02:12, 8 March 2021 (UTC) reply

• Keep – meets WP:GNG, with 15+ citations for a small article this is more than "a few sources", also the Nari Shakti Puraskar award and the "first app developer from Kashmir". If there is an issue with the quality of sources, there should be an attempt to clean up (via edit, tag and/or use the talk page) prior to AFD. At this point it's not obvious what the issue is for AfD because I am seeing it as GNG right now. Jooojay ( talk) 22:34, 7 March 2021 (UTC) reply

Comment: @ Jooojay: "If there is an issue with the quality of sources, there should be an attempt to clean up prior to AfD", I'm the nominator and i'd have cleaned up the article rather then nominating it for AfD but after looking at the source's, this doesn't look to meet WP:GNG or WP:BASIC, i'm discussing the same above with an editor who has tried improving the article. I'd definitely be happy if the article is saved by improving and adding more sources to it which demonstrate Mehvish Mushtaq's Notability properly. As far as the current sources are mentioned, They clearly don't meet WP:RS and is a case of WP:BLP1E and the other sources are more of trivial mentions. Also Awards don't demonstrate notability. -- Jammumylove Talk to me or ^{CHECK MY RECENT WORK} 01:26, 8 March 2021 (UTC) reply

• Comment - WP:ANYBIO states "People are likely to be notable if...The person has received a well-known and significant award". The Nari Shakti Puraskar award is presented by the President of India. GoingBatty ( talk) 02:04, 8 March 2021 (UTC) reply
• Comment - Although the article states she is the "the first app developer from Kashmir", her award bio states "has the distinction of developing the first-ever Android application for Kashmir". Does the act of developing the first Android app for Kashmir make her the first app developer from Kashmir? GoingBatty ( talk) 02:04, 8 March 2021 (UTC) reply

Comment Thank you for pointing that out - I have clarified the lead to better match the news reporting, i.e. "Mehvish Mushtaq, who has become the first Kashmiri to develop an Android application" ( PTI 2013) Beccaynr ( talk) 02:27, 8 March 2021 (UTC) reply

Comment @ GoingBatty: i don't want to sound as a bad faith editor but, this was a PR work done by the government, i'm sure kashmir would have had more female developers before her but they were never promoted. Anyways, As per sources she is the first kashmiri women to develop an android app, Not the first kashmiri. ( https://antarees.com/) this is an kashmir based development company which has been doing it since 2009. I've updated the lead in article to more accurate information. -- Jammumylove Talk to me or ^{CHECK MY RECENT WORK} 06:04, 8 March 2021 (UTC) reply

• Delete I think it does not meet the criteria yet, as per the arguments exposed above. Eccekevin ( talk) 06:31, 8 March 2021 (UTC) reply
• Delete promotional article for someone not yet notable. Almost all the awards are trivial, and so is the accomplishment. The one significant awards is a anward essentially for PR, and that the President of a country engages in PR is not the least unusual or unexpected--it's part of politics. News sources have a certain tendency to make human interest articles about attractive subjects, but this has no relationship to their actual importance. We should consider such to be promotional coverage--promotional usually for both the news source and the subject. They don't belong in an encyclopedia . DGG ( talk ) 05:39, 8 March 2021 (UTC) reply
• Keep per Beccaynr when one criteria is explicitly met, we do not need other criterias to be met. ─ The Aafī on Mobile ^(talk) 04:56, 9 March 2021 (UTC) reply
• Keep: Agree with the opinion that the article looks promotional and needs rewriting. In that case it needs clean up or placing suitable template rather than delete. Jammumylove, I agree WP:NAWARD is not valid here. But she passes WP:ANYBIO. The subject is a winner of one of a notable and major award given by Government of India, making her easily passing one of the criterias listed as per WP:ANYBIO. So when one criteria is met why are we looking for several ones. Kichu🐘 ^Discuss 04:16, 11 March 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Comment Kashmorwiki, If we follow ANYBIO for awards then we might have to start enrolling everyone who recieves an national award on wiki. As stated above by DCG , Almost all the awards are trivial, and so is the accomplishment. The one significant awards is a anward essentially for PR, and that the President of a country engages in PR is not the least unusual or unexpected--it's part of politics. . This is nothing new, this is an encyclopaedia, We're not here to promote awardees. Moreover, This is a BLP1E. Also ANYBIO states that Person should've recieved a significant award, As per my knowledge We can't consider an award for Building an app as significant. Also as far as the rewriting part is considered, my BEFORE didn't give me enough WP:RS otherwise i'd have done that.Also if you find sources then kindly improve the article and i'd be happy to withdraw the nomination, otherwise this certainly warrants WP:TNT and maybe someone later can create a non promotional sounding writeup, because at this moment we can't allow promotional content to stay there if we don't have anyone willing to remove it and improve. Regards -- Jammumylove Talk to me or ^{CHECK MY RECENT WORK} 13:39, 11 March 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Comment Jammumylove, If a person meets the notability criteria as per any one of the conditions in WP:ANYBIO, then he /she deserve the article. It was one of the prestigious award fhat she had won. Just because it look promotional or lacking any content means we should delete it. Instead you can tag it with suitable templates. I am not interested in improving this article, because Im not familiar with this topic. Regards Kichu🐘 ^Discuss 14:36, 11 March 2021 (UTC) reply
• Keep - I have improved by removing potentially promotional material on the Dial Kashmir app and added some additional biographical details. The Nari Shakti Puraskar is a national award, given by the Indian Prime Minister. Other recipients of the award are also on Wikipedia, why would we not have this recipient? Sarahlappin ( talk) 16:23, 12 March 2021 (UTC) reply

Comment The addition of the 2013 profile from The Hindu appears to help support notability; encyclopedic content sourced to multiple independent and reliable sources has been restored, and whether any changes are needed in how this information is presented can be further discussed on the Talk page. Beccaynr ( talk) 16:45, 12 March 2021 (UTC) reply

• Keep agreed per Saralappin and Beccaynr Kaybeesquared ( talk) 21:37, 13 March 2021 (UTC) reply

• Keep agree with Saralappin and Beccaynr - criteria for GNG is met and this article should remain as with other Nari Shakti Puraskar recipients. Stinglehammer ( talk) 13:05, 15 March 2021 (UTC) reply

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• Keep This article is worth keeping after improvements by Beccaynr. Has many reliable sources. Ngrewal1 ( talk) 20:16, 17 March 2021 (UTC) reply
• Keep, per above. Agree with all above comments. DmitriRomanovJr ( talk) 17:37, 18 March 2021 (UTC) reply

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