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The result was redirect to Pacific Oceania Billie Jean King Cup team. Sandstein 19:15, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
Mayka Zima
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Fails WP:GNG and lacks WP:SIGCOV. Sources do exist such as [1] and [2], however they are trivial. Sportsfan 1234 ( talk) 23:37, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople, Tennis, and Oceania. Sportsfan 1234 ( talk) 23:37, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
- Keep - one of those "trivial" sources establishes a claim to notability: the first Tahitian to compete in the Federation Cup.-- IdiotSavant ( talk) 01:32, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
- Perhaps Redirect? Another tough one. First Tahitian in Fed Cup. Two Bronze medals in the same international tournament at the 2015 Pacific Games. Usually when looking at a tennis career that might be enough. The only problem is in looking at her full pro career it's a blank slate. Per the WTA she played no events ever. Per the minor league ITF Challenger level I see no events played. Per the minor-minor league ITF events I see no events ever played. Did they lose her records or did she never play anything other than Fed Cup and the Pacific Games those two years? All I see is some junior results from 2008. Did she get injured and retire? Did she die? Because she did absolutely nothing else I would lean towards Delete but perhaps a better idea is to redirect this to Pacific Oceania Billie Jean King Cup team where her name is in a list. Fyunck(click) ( talk) 08:57, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 08:16, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NYC Guru ( talk) 23:06, 15 March 2023 (UTC)- Weak keep simply for being the first Tahitian to play in that particular tournament as described. This would also help combat "Western nation only" bias on wiki, where anything and everything from a western nation gets noted, but hardly anything from elsewhere on the planet does. Oaktree b ( talk) 01:49, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Discussion of whether there are or are not multiple reliable and independent sources which cover this subject in reasonable depth would be helpful in determining notability. Tangential discussions of "first", "western", or the like are generally not.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Seraphimblade Talk to me 07:00, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
Deleteredirect Happy to go with emerging consensus below. WP:BEFORE shows an almost complete lack of SIGCOV. Routine match listings, incidental mentions in a few news reports that lead with Carol Lee. Best Alexandermcnabb ( talk) 08:45, 16 March 2023 (UTC)- Redirect to
Pacific Oceania Billie Jean King Cup team with no prejudice towards recreation if Tahitian sources are found that cover her more in depth. I found absolutely nothing on normal searches of Google and Newspapers.com, but imagine there could be local sources that we're somehow missing here. Per
WP:NTENNIS, she doesn't meet the mark right now but it seems oddly strange that this is all she ever did.
Nomader (
talk) 15:30, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
- Want to explicitly note here that Oaktree b's article is a great find, but I don't think it's enough significant coverage to pass muster. A note should be added to the talk page with links to the few references we have for her.
Nomader (
talk) 15:33, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
- The only other mentions are on a site called Tahiti Info,
[4]. I suppose it's RS, appears to be a news website. Sports Tahiti
[5]. This about a match from a Saipan newspaper,
[6]. Radio New Zealand
[7]. A Tahiti Newspaper
[8]. There isn't much else. Are these decent-enough sources?
Oaktree b (
talk) 21:30, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
- Tahiti Infos is a news site, and its the source for pretty much everything in French Polynesia. Radio1 and TNTV are also good sources for French Polynesian content.-- IdiotSavant ( talk) 23:13, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
- The only other mentions are on a site called Tahiti Info,
[4]. I suppose it's RS, appears to be a news website. Sports Tahiti
[5]. This about a match from a Saipan newspaper,
[6]. Radio New Zealand
[7]. A Tahiti Newspaper
[8]. There isn't much else. Are these decent-enough sources?
Oaktree b (
talk) 21:30, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
- Want to explicitly note here that Oaktree b's article is a great find, but I don't think it's enough significant coverage to pass muster. A note should be added to the talk page with links to the few references we have for her.
Nomader (
talk) 15:33, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
- What about a redirect to the Pacific Oceania team that competed, there plenty of coverage about the team she played with?
Oaktree b (
talk) 21:39, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
- Which I mentioned and linked to in my post. Fyunck(click) ( talk) 21:41, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
- What about a redirect to the Pacific Oceania team that competed, there plenty of coverage about the team she played with?
Oaktree b (
talk) 21:39, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
- Redirect to Pacific Oceania Billie Jean King Cup team as per Nomader as an ATD. Also preserves history, and if more sourcing can be found in future, no prejudice against recreating. I think Fyunck(click)'s analysis is spot on. Onel5969 TT me 20:45, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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The result was redirect to Pacific Oceania Billie Jean King Cup team. Sandstein 19:15, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
Mayka Zima
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Fails WP:GNG and lacks WP:SIGCOV. Sources do exist such as [1] and [2], however they are trivial. Sportsfan 1234 ( talk) 23:37, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople, Tennis, and Oceania. Sportsfan 1234 ( talk) 23:37, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
- Keep - one of those "trivial" sources establishes a claim to notability: the first Tahitian to compete in the Federation Cup.-- IdiotSavant ( talk) 01:32, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
- Perhaps Redirect? Another tough one. First Tahitian in Fed Cup. Two Bronze medals in the same international tournament at the 2015 Pacific Games. Usually when looking at a tennis career that might be enough. The only problem is in looking at her full pro career it's a blank slate. Per the WTA she played no events ever. Per the minor league ITF Challenger level I see no events played. Per the minor-minor league ITF events I see no events ever played. Did they lose her records or did she never play anything other than Fed Cup and the Pacific Games those two years? All I see is some junior results from 2008. Did she get injured and retire? Did she die? Because she did absolutely nothing else I would lean towards Delete but perhaps a better idea is to redirect this to Pacific Oceania Billie Jean King Cup team where her name is in a list. Fyunck(click) ( talk) 08:57, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 08:16, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NYC Guru ( talk) 23:06, 15 March 2023 (UTC)- Weak keep simply for being the first Tahitian to play in that particular tournament as described. This would also help combat "Western nation only" bias on wiki, where anything and everything from a western nation gets noted, but hardly anything from elsewhere on the planet does. Oaktree b ( talk) 01:49, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Discussion of whether there are or are not multiple reliable and independent sources which cover this subject in reasonable depth would be helpful in determining notability. Tangential discussions of "first", "western", or the like are generally not.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Seraphimblade Talk to me 07:00, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
Deleteredirect Happy to go with emerging consensus below. WP:BEFORE shows an almost complete lack of SIGCOV. Routine match listings, incidental mentions in a few news reports that lead with Carol Lee. Best Alexandermcnabb ( talk) 08:45, 16 March 2023 (UTC)- Redirect to
Pacific Oceania Billie Jean King Cup team with no prejudice towards recreation if Tahitian sources are found that cover her more in depth. I found absolutely nothing on normal searches of Google and Newspapers.com, but imagine there could be local sources that we're somehow missing here. Per
WP:NTENNIS, she doesn't meet the mark right now but it seems oddly strange that this is all she ever did.
Nomader (
talk) 15:30, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
- Want to explicitly note here that Oaktree b's article is a great find, but I don't think it's enough significant coverage to pass muster. A note should be added to the talk page with links to the few references we have for her.
Nomader (
talk) 15:33, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
- The only other mentions are on a site called Tahiti Info,
[4]. I suppose it's RS, appears to be a news website. Sports Tahiti
[5]. This about a match from a Saipan newspaper,
[6]. Radio New Zealand
[7]. A Tahiti Newspaper
[8]. There isn't much else. Are these decent-enough sources?
Oaktree b (
talk) 21:30, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
- Tahiti Infos is a news site, and its the source for pretty much everything in French Polynesia. Radio1 and TNTV are also good sources for French Polynesian content.-- IdiotSavant ( talk) 23:13, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
- The only other mentions are on a site called Tahiti Info,
[4]. I suppose it's RS, appears to be a news website. Sports Tahiti
[5]. This about a match from a Saipan newspaper,
[6]. Radio New Zealand
[7]. A Tahiti Newspaper
[8]. There isn't much else. Are these decent-enough sources?
Oaktree b (
talk) 21:30, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
- Want to explicitly note here that Oaktree b's article is a great find, but I don't think it's enough significant coverage to pass muster. A note should be added to the talk page with links to the few references we have for her.
Nomader (
talk) 15:33, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
- What about a redirect to the Pacific Oceania team that competed, there plenty of coverage about the team she played with?
Oaktree b (
talk) 21:39, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
- Which I mentioned and linked to in my post. Fyunck(click) ( talk) 21:41, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
- What about a redirect to the Pacific Oceania team that competed, there plenty of coverage about the team she played with?
Oaktree b (
talk) 21:39, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
- Redirect to Pacific Oceania Billie Jean King Cup team as per Nomader as an ATD. Also preserves history, and if more sourcing can be found in future, no prejudice against recreating. I think Fyunck(click)'s analysis is spot on. Onel5969 TT me 20:45, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.