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The result was merge to Wii Sports. ✗ plicit 14:08, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
Matt (Wii Sports)
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Unfortunately a non-notable character article. The article has some WP:SIGCOV from reliable sources - to the extent that the character is a topic of discussion in Game Ramt style pieces - but what is here is quite minimal: this is not a character with a personality, story or really any background, there is no initial reception as acknowledged in the article, no known development history behind the character, and the coverage that is purported to give rise to notability is a meme about the character's purported difficulty and reappearance in later titles. The article also overstates fan reaction a little which sort of indicates to me that there's not a lot that reviewers or outlets themselves have to say about the character. Overall I'm not sure if the sum total of sources really have enough to say about this character to merit an article. Please also note that the page creator has worked hard to find additional sources on the talk page that may be of use, although these seemed more like gameplay coverage. I concede that the standard with character articles has been difficult to gauge recently so open to views and appreciate the hard work of the page creator: if a merge to the Wii Sports series or game is preferable, let's prioritise that. ＶＲＸＣＥＳ ( talk) 11:56, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Video games-related deletion discussions. ＶＲＸＣＥＳ ( talk) 11:56, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- Keep a quick Google search turns up significant coverage of Matt in particular as a character of particular cultural importance from the Wii Sports universe. For example, there are plenty of sources discussing him in depth as a character with Wii Sports being only a backdrop:
- https://gamerant.com/wii-sports-matt-popularity-explained/
- https://www.svg.com/1051111/why-matt-from-wii-sports-has-become-an-iconic-gaming-meme/
- There are also sources which describe his cultural relevance, for example this article in Polygon seems to say that not only that he exists, but that he has "widespread popularity":
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https://www.polygon.com/23306387/nintendo-switch-sports-matt-wii-meme-input-code
BrigadierG (
talk) 12:42, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- SVG is unreliable, while Valnet sources like GameRant doesn't help WP:GNG, see WP:VG/RS. Possibly in all, only the Polygon is a good source, thou you need WP:THREE that are sigcov. GreenishPickle! ( 🔔) 13:16, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- I know this isn't a WP:ITSPOPULAR argument, but the issue is that the depth of coverage relates to a very narrow aspect of the character: the meme. The "widespread popularity" noted in the Polygon article is stated in the context of the meme; and some sources even state that Matt was unnoticed until this point. So I think the live issue is whether all this coverage counteracts the fact that the article and coverage don't have much to say about the other aspects of background, story, development and critical reception normally present in a character article. But then I guess there are articles for memes so this is obviously not clear-cut. ＶＲＸＣＥＳ ( talk) 21:21, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 20:50, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. In my discussions on the talk page, nothing was really sticking out to me in terms of notability. I was going to BLAR or AfD it myself within the coming days myself if nothing came up, but since this is happening now, I may as well lay my thoughts out here. He doesn't seem to be notable per the current sourcing, but I wouldn't be opposed to seeing some of the content here be referenced in Wii Sports' article given Matt did get some coverage, even if most of it doesn't contribute to notability.
Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (
talk) 21:02, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- Apologies if I jumped the gun on that discussion, I had a quick look and assumed that it was settled given the additional sources provided didn't satisfy a view of WP:SOURCESEXIST. ＶＲＸＣＥＳ ( talk) 21:30, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- Merge What's here doesn't work well for GNG. GreenishPickle! ( 🔔) 22:13, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- Merge There is a serious lack of significant coverage; unsurprising given Matt is not really characterized, nor does he stand out for any gameplay aspect. He is more like an in-joke amongst fans. IGN is probably the closest to SIGCOV but it's still pretty weak, mostly citing fan posts. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ ( ᴛ) 07:22, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom, the character does not have significant history outside of the Wii Sports brand. Of the sources I have found including above, they are either WP:ROUTINE or more significant of Nintendo Switch Sports when they added Matt. Conyo14 ( talk) 19:14, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
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The result was merge to Wii Sports. ✗ plicit 14:08, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
Matt (Wii Sports)
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Unfortunately a non-notable character article. The article has some WP:SIGCOV from reliable sources - to the extent that the character is a topic of discussion in Game Ramt style pieces - but what is here is quite minimal: this is not a character with a personality, story or really any background, there is no initial reception as acknowledged in the article, no known development history behind the character, and the coverage that is purported to give rise to notability is a meme about the character's purported difficulty and reappearance in later titles. The article also overstates fan reaction a little which sort of indicates to me that there's not a lot that reviewers or outlets themselves have to say about the character. Overall I'm not sure if the sum total of sources really have enough to say about this character to merit an article. Please also note that the page creator has worked hard to find additional sources on the talk page that may be of use, although these seemed more like gameplay coverage. I concede that the standard with character articles has been difficult to gauge recently so open to views and appreciate the hard work of the page creator: if a merge to the Wii Sports series or game is preferable, let's prioritise that. ＶＲＸＣＥＳ ( talk) 11:56, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Video games-related deletion discussions. ＶＲＸＣＥＳ ( talk) 11:56, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- Keep a quick Google search turns up significant coverage of Matt in particular as a character of particular cultural importance from the Wii Sports universe. For example, there are plenty of sources discussing him in depth as a character with Wii Sports being only a backdrop:
- https://gamerant.com/wii-sports-matt-popularity-explained/
- https://www.svg.com/1051111/why-matt-from-wii-sports-has-become-an-iconic-gaming-meme/
- There are also sources which describe his cultural relevance, for example this article in Polygon seems to say that not only that he exists, but that he has "widespread popularity":
-
https://www.polygon.com/23306387/nintendo-switch-sports-matt-wii-meme-input-code
BrigadierG (
talk) 12:42, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- SVG is unreliable, while Valnet sources like GameRant doesn't help WP:GNG, see WP:VG/RS. Possibly in all, only the Polygon is a good source, thou you need WP:THREE that are sigcov. GreenishPickle! ( 🔔) 13:16, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- I know this isn't a WP:ITSPOPULAR argument, but the issue is that the depth of coverage relates to a very narrow aspect of the character: the meme. The "widespread popularity" noted in the Polygon article is stated in the context of the meme; and some sources even state that Matt was unnoticed until this point. So I think the live issue is whether all this coverage counteracts the fact that the article and coverage don't have much to say about the other aspects of background, story, development and critical reception normally present in a character article. But then I guess there are articles for memes so this is obviously not clear-cut. ＶＲＸＣＥＳ ( talk) 21:21, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 20:50, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. In my discussions on the talk page, nothing was really sticking out to me in terms of notability. I was going to BLAR or AfD it myself within the coming days myself if nothing came up, but since this is happening now, I may as well lay my thoughts out here. He doesn't seem to be notable per the current sourcing, but I wouldn't be opposed to seeing some of the content here be referenced in Wii Sports' article given Matt did get some coverage, even if most of it doesn't contribute to notability.
Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (
talk) 21:02, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- Apologies if I jumped the gun on that discussion, I had a quick look and assumed that it was settled given the additional sources provided didn't satisfy a view of WP:SOURCESEXIST. ＶＲＸＣＥＳ ( talk) 21:30, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- Merge What's here doesn't work well for GNG. GreenishPickle! ( 🔔) 22:13, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- Merge There is a serious lack of significant coverage; unsurprising given Matt is not really characterized, nor does he stand out for any gameplay aspect. He is more like an in-joke amongst fans. IGN is probably the closest to SIGCOV but it's still pretty weak, mostly citing fan posts. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ ( ᴛ) 07:22, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom, the character does not have significant history outside of the Wii Sports brand. Of the sources I have found including above, they are either WP:ROUTINE or more significant of Nintendo Switch Sports when they added Matt. Conyo14 ( talk) 19:14, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
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