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The result was redirect to British Columbia Highway 39. History is under the redirect if a consensus emerges to merge the sourced content Star Mississippi 13:18, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
Mackenzie Junction
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Fails WP:GNG - no Google news hits, and as an intersection of two surface roads it is hard to imagine how it could be notable [1]. Rs chen 7754 22:33, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Transportation and Canada. Rs chen 7754 22:33, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
- Delete—fails WP:GNG. Imzadi 1979 → 03:01, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
- Delete: No indication of notability, just an intersection Reywas92 Talk 03:15, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
- Comment: I believe this article is about a community named Mackenzie Junction, not the intersection, despite the way the article is written. This should probably be converted to a redirect to the article Regional District of Fraser–Fort George. Mind matrix 14:41, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
- Which sources describe a community with this name? – dlthewave ☎ 16:10, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
- As a road junction, this article is not notable. As a community - WP:GEOLAND says that populated places are presumed notable (not making a statement about whether this community fulfills that), but the article seems to be written about the road junction. Rs chen 7754 00:08, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
- Comment. I got 7 Google news hits. While the junction is nothing out of the ordinary, it's located in a sparsely populated area and appears to be used as a geographical marker for anything that happens in the area. Perhaps the junction falls within the realm of Wikipedia's function as a gazetteer? An alternative could be a redirect to British Columbia Highway 39. Rupples ( talk) 01:17, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
- Merge into
British Columbia Highway 39 for which this junction, tiny community, and service center is a terminal node. The target is short and can use this content.
gidonb (
talk) 02:46, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
- Did consider a merge rather than a redirect but quality of sourcing stopped me formally recommending. I do think "Mackenzie Junction" is a plausible search term and therefore should be referenced somehow. If deemed appropriate a merge is the best alternative to deletion as notability looks insufficient to warrant a separate article. Rupples ( talk) 13:07, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. gidonb ( talk) 02:54, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
- Rupples, thank you for thinking this through. Actually, there is nothing wrong with the sources except that these do not support notability or importance. Hence we cannot keep the article. The content only needs sources that support data, a lower bar, which is met. The two sentences that should be copied to British Columbia Highway 39, while once inserting Mackenzie Junction, are the ones that start with it. Plus Mackenzie Junction should be added to infobox as the terminal node. gidonb ( talk) 13:45, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
- Merge into British Columbia Highway 39 with "Mackenzie Junction" as a heading in that article and searches redirected there — following Gidonb's and my reasoning above. Rupples ( talk) 14:51, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
- Delete: Intersection has no indication of notability. – dlthewave ☎ 16:09, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Let’s attempt to come to a consensus on whether to merge or delete.
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- Comment What part of Wikipedia's policy makes the number of Google News hits a criteria for inclusion or deletion? Also, the Google algorithm can be misleading in that stories in reliable secondary news sources stop showing up in Google news hits after a few days, but show up when the articles are first published.-- Kerbyki ( talk) 14:46, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
- Delete: per nom, not notable at all greyzxq talk 15:58, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
- Merge or keep Possibly to Mackenzie? It's clear there exists a place called Mackenzie Junction - it comes up in a Google Books search, and there's an inn, a restaurant, and a RV hookup there in real life. Whether that's enough for a standalone article is a different question (even though that's the one posed by this discussion), but we should make sure the place is noted somewhere on the site.
SportingFlyer
T·
C 21:20, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
- Thinking about this more, it's the junction for the only road to Mackenzie - I think Mackenzie would be a good merge target for the small amount of information that's here, especially considering the Mackenzie visitor centre is by the junction. SportingFlyer T· C 00:25, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
- Delete There doesn't seem to be anything there to merit keeping as a community (based on looking at maps), and no evidence of notability as a junction (junctions are sometimes notable if historically significant or important, but not every road junction deserves an article). If the inn/restaurant was itself notable, we could move, but it doesn't seem to be. Redirecting to
British Columbia Highway 39 might be possible if this is a genuinely widely-used name for the junction but I'm not sure of that. What happened there? Why is it notable? --
Colapeninsula (
talk) 10:20, 8 June 2023 (UTC)
- Because it's widely referred to as a place in articles like this: [2] and in German guidebooks: [3] and here and a reference to real estate being located there - there's not much, but it's definitely a point on the map people refer to in a very rural part of the world. It's probably not going to be enough to keep this article unfortunately but I feel like that's a failure of WP:NGEO more than anything else. SportingFlyer T· C 22:19, 8 June 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 20:15, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
- Delete A minor intersection, does not meet the notability guidelines. Avilich ( talk) 20:34, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
- Delete article. Merge the meager content to British Columbia Highway 39. Redirect to British Columbia Highway 39.
- I looked on Google Earth. There is nothing there except one combined Petro-Canada gas station / RV park (tiny) / restaurant. There's a building out in back of that which may be housing for workers. There's a cluster of what looks like about a dozen mobile homes on the other side of the Parsnip River. That's everything within a one-mile radius.-- A. B. ( talk • contribs • global count) 03:17, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was redirect to British Columbia Highway 39. History is under the redirect if a consensus emerges to merge the sourced content Star Mississippi 13:18, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
Mackenzie Junction
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- Mackenzie Junction ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log | edits since nomination)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
Fails WP:GNG - no Google news hits, and as an intersection of two surface roads it is hard to imagine how it could be notable [1]. Rs chen 7754 22:33, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Transportation and Canada. Rs chen 7754 22:33, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
- Delete—fails WP:GNG. Imzadi 1979 → 03:01, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
- Delete: No indication of notability, just an intersection Reywas92 Talk 03:15, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
- Comment: I believe this article is about a community named Mackenzie Junction, not the intersection, despite the way the article is written. This should probably be converted to a redirect to the article Regional District of Fraser–Fort George. Mind matrix 14:41, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
- Which sources describe a community with this name? – dlthewave ☎ 16:10, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
- As a road junction, this article is not notable. As a community - WP:GEOLAND says that populated places are presumed notable (not making a statement about whether this community fulfills that), but the article seems to be written about the road junction. Rs chen 7754 00:08, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
- Comment. I got 7 Google news hits. While the junction is nothing out of the ordinary, it's located in a sparsely populated area and appears to be used as a geographical marker for anything that happens in the area. Perhaps the junction falls within the realm of Wikipedia's function as a gazetteer? An alternative could be a redirect to British Columbia Highway 39. Rupples ( talk) 01:17, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
- Merge into
British Columbia Highway 39 for which this junction, tiny community, and service center is a terminal node. The target is short and can use this content.
gidonb (
talk) 02:46, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
- Did consider a merge rather than a redirect but quality of sourcing stopped me formally recommending. I do think "Mackenzie Junction" is a plausible search term and therefore should be referenced somehow. If deemed appropriate a merge is the best alternative to deletion as notability looks insufficient to warrant a separate article. Rupples ( talk) 13:07, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. gidonb ( talk) 02:54, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
- Rupples, thank you for thinking this through. Actually, there is nothing wrong with the sources except that these do not support notability or importance. Hence we cannot keep the article. The content only needs sources that support data, a lower bar, which is met. The two sentences that should be copied to British Columbia Highway 39, while once inserting Mackenzie Junction, are the ones that start with it. Plus Mackenzie Junction should be added to infobox as the terminal node. gidonb ( talk) 13:45, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
- Merge into British Columbia Highway 39 with "Mackenzie Junction" as a heading in that article and searches redirected there — following Gidonb's and my reasoning above. Rupples ( talk) 14:51, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
- Delete: Intersection has no indication of notability. – dlthewave ☎ 16:09, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Let’s attempt to come to a consensus on whether to merge or delete.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, - 🔥 𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 14:32, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
- Comment What part of Wikipedia's policy makes the number of Google News hits a criteria for inclusion or deletion? Also, the Google algorithm can be misleading in that stories in reliable secondary news sources stop showing up in Google news hits after a few days, but show up when the articles are first published.-- Kerbyki ( talk) 14:46, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
- Delete: per nom, not notable at all greyzxq talk 15:58, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
- Merge or keep Possibly to Mackenzie? It's clear there exists a place called Mackenzie Junction - it comes up in a Google Books search, and there's an inn, a restaurant, and a RV hookup there in real life. Whether that's enough for a standalone article is a different question (even though that's the one posed by this discussion), but we should make sure the place is noted somewhere on the site.
SportingFlyer
T·
C 21:20, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
- Thinking about this more, it's the junction for the only road to Mackenzie - I think Mackenzie would be a good merge target for the small amount of information that's here, especially considering the Mackenzie visitor centre is by the junction. SportingFlyer T· C 00:25, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
- Delete There doesn't seem to be anything there to merit keeping as a community (based on looking at maps), and no evidence of notability as a junction (junctions are sometimes notable if historically significant or important, but not every road junction deserves an article). If the inn/restaurant was itself notable, we could move, but it doesn't seem to be. Redirecting to
British Columbia Highway 39 might be possible if this is a genuinely widely-used name for the junction but I'm not sure of that. What happened there? Why is it notable? --
Colapeninsula (
talk) 10:20, 8 June 2023 (UTC)
- Because it's widely referred to as a place in articles like this: [2] and in German guidebooks: [3] and here and a reference to real estate being located there - there's not much, but it's definitely a point on the map people refer to in a very rural part of the world. It's probably not going to be enough to keep this article unfortunately but I feel like that's a failure of WP:NGEO more than anything else. SportingFlyer T· C 22:19, 8 June 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 20:15, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
- Delete A minor intersection, does not meet the notability guidelines. Avilich ( talk) 20:34, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
- Delete article. Merge the meager content to British Columbia Highway 39. Redirect to British Columbia Highway 39.
- I looked on Google Earth. There is nothing there except one combined Petro-Canada gas station / RV park (tiny) / restaurant. There's a building out in back of that which may be housing for workers. There's a cluster of what looks like about a dozen mobile homes on the other side of the Parsnip River. That's everything within a one-mile radius.-- A. B. ( talk • contribs • global count) 03:17, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.