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The result was delete. Sandstein 18:29, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
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Per WP:PERP. Magnolia677 ( talk) 18:11, 10 June 2018 (UTC)
- Keep -- the case was the subject of a whole season -- 24 episodes in all -- of the Undisclosed podcast; that's the same podcast by Rabia Chaudry and others that uncovered witness coaching and mischaracterized cell phone evidence in the Adnan Syed case. It was a top-100 podcast in the US during most of the time it covered the Watkins case. [1] [2] The podcast also resulted a court case which lead to the Supreme Court of Georgia ruling that the tape of a trial is not an official Court record(!!) and hence does not need to be released to the public. [3] [4] Note additionally that the murder was in 2001, but coverage, which was initially just local, has expanded of late; both of the above recent references are from the Atlanta Journal-Constitution; if you go to the article, you will also see 2016 coverage from Rolling Stone. And here is one from the Chicago Tribune [5] Pretty much all of the sourcing in the article is from 2016 or later; the conviction was in 2002. Adoring nanny ( talk) 22:37, 10 June 2018 (UTC)
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- Delete sounds like a WP:MILL crime - jealousy about a girlfriend, with MILL news coverage of crime and a smattering of post-conviction. E.M.Gregory ( talk) 16:59, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
- Strong delete Nothing about Watkins shows notability, and podcasts are a dime a dozen. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 04:14, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
- Delete - WP:PERP applies here. The perpetrator is not notable for any other reason, the victim of the crime is not a well-known figure nor is the motive unusual. Cwmhiraeth ( talk) 12:34, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
- Y'all are missing the difference between "perpetrator" and "person convicted". And that difference is precisely why this whole sorry thing is not run-of-the-mill at all. But whatever, you you want what you want, and I'm not going to make a big fuss. Adoring nanny ( talk) 15:29, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Sandstein 18:29, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
Joey Watkins
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Per WP:PERP. Magnolia677 ( talk) 18:11, 10 June 2018 (UTC)
- Keep -- the case was the subject of a whole season -- 24 episodes in all -- of the Undisclosed podcast; that's the same podcast by Rabia Chaudry and others that uncovered witness coaching and mischaracterized cell phone evidence in the Adnan Syed case. It was a top-100 podcast in the US during most of the time it covered the Watkins case. [1] [2] The podcast also resulted a court case which lead to the Supreme Court of Georgia ruling that the tape of a trial is not an official Court record(!!) and hence does not need to be released to the public. [3] [4] Note additionally that the murder was in 2001, but coverage, which was initially just local, has expanded of late; both of the above recent references are from the Atlanta Journal-Constitution; if you go to the article, you will also see 2016 coverage from Rolling Stone. And here is one from the Chicago Tribune [5] Pretty much all of the sourcing in the article is from 2016 or later; the conviction was in 2002. Adoring nanny ( talk) 22:37, 10 June 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. MT Train Talk 13:23, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions. MT Train Talk 13:23, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Georgia (U.S. state)-related deletion discussions. MT Train Talk 13:23, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
- Delete sounds like a WP:MILL crime - jealousy about a girlfriend, with MILL news coverage of crime and a smattering of post-conviction. E.M.Gregory ( talk) 16:59, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
- Strong delete Nothing about Watkins shows notability, and podcasts are a dime a dozen. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 04:14, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
- Delete - WP:PERP applies here. The perpetrator is not notable for any other reason, the victim of the crime is not a well-known figure nor is the motive unusual. Cwmhiraeth ( talk) 12:34, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
- Y'all are missing the difference between "perpetrator" and "person convicted". And that difference is precisely why this whole sorry thing is not run-of-the-mill at all. But whatever, you you want what you want, and I'm not going to make a big fuss. Adoring nanny ( talk) 15:29, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
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