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The result was delete. -- RoySmith (talk) 00:12, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
Jason Brett Serle
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Having found this on my way through some Thelema-related material, I have to question the notability of this fellow in what is a fairly promotional article. References seem to trace back to him, or are passing, or are concert guest kind of listings. Mangoe ( talk) 12:41, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
- The language used is neutral and not promotional and the facts mentioned are backed by valid references. I do not know how they 'trace back to him' as you say. He is by no means a mainstream figure and is only known in the alternative communities he deals with but I feel his work to be with merit. Fabulistical ( talk) 11:20, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
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- Delete: Apparent vanity page claiming notability by having a handful of written pieces published, self-produced films entered into film festivals, and self-released music. Links are to small or self-published sources. No significant independent, third party coverage found. Fails meeting notability criteria for WP:AUTHORS, WP:FILMMAKERS, and WP:MUSICIANS.
ShelbyMarion (
talk) 15:10, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
- Hardly a 'vanity page' as the language is neutral. Only one of the written works cited are self-published and the music mentioned was published by a notable record company and features another notable artist. The mention of his self-produced work is merely complementary. He is an alternative filmmaker and so naturally his films are self-produced. They have been official selections at notable film festivals and are distributed both here and in the US by notable film distributors. Mind your Mind has also been included in the psychology syllabus in American Universities. I believe it does meet notability criteria when considering that we are dealing with a fringe or alternative personality rather than a mainstream one. Fabulistical ( talk) 11:20, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
- Delete: Clearly fails
WP:CREATIVE.
Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (
talk) 18:30, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
- Please give valid reasons.
Fabulistical (
talk) 11:20, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
- Failing WP:CREATIVE is a valid reason to delete. What criterion in that guideline, exactly, is clearly and unambiguously met by the subject? ~ Anachronist ( talk) 18:34, 13 September 2017 (UTC)
- Please give valid reasons.
Fabulistical (
talk) 11:20, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
- Delete none of the refs support notability for wikipedia. -
Roxy the dog.
bark 20:20, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
- Please see my comment above. I believe it does meet notability criteria when considering that we are dealing with a fringe or alternative personality rather than a mainstream one. Fabulistical ( talk) 11:20, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
- Delete - even a fringe personality requires significant coverage in multiple reliable sources that are independent of the subject. If the sources are all fringe, that's just "in universe" coverage that doesn't confer notability. He may be notable in fringe circles, but this is an encyclopedia that is global in scope, and notability needs to be more than just from the fringes. ~ Anachronist ( talk) 18:34, 13 September 2017 (UTC)
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The result was delete. -- RoySmith (talk) 00:12, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
Jason Brett Serle
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Having found this on my way through some Thelema-related material, I have to question the notability of this fellow in what is a fairly promotional article. References seem to trace back to him, or are passing, or are concert guest kind of listings. Mangoe ( talk) 12:41, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
- The language used is neutral and not promotional and the facts mentioned are backed by valid references. I do not know how they 'trace back to him' as you say. He is by no means a mainstream figure and is only known in the alternative communities he deals with but I feel his work to be with merit. Fabulistical ( talk) 11:20, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of United Kingdom-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 13:13, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 13:14, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 13:14, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
- Delete: Apparent vanity page claiming notability by having a handful of written pieces published, self-produced films entered into film festivals, and self-released music. Links are to small or self-published sources. No significant independent, third party coverage found. Fails meeting notability criteria for WP:AUTHORS, WP:FILMMAKERS, and WP:MUSICIANS.
ShelbyMarion (
talk) 15:10, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
- Hardly a 'vanity page' as the language is neutral. Only one of the written works cited are self-published and the music mentioned was published by a notable record company and features another notable artist. The mention of his self-produced work is merely complementary. He is an alternative filmmaker and so naturally his films are self-produced. They have been official selections at notable film festivals and are distributed both here and in the US by notable film distributors. Mind your Mind has also been included in the psychology syllabus in American Universities. I believe it does meet notability criteria when considering that we are dealing with a fringe or alternative personality rather than a mainstream one. Fabulistical ( talk) 11:20, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
- Delete: Clearly fails
WP:CREATIVE.
Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (
talk) 18:30, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
- Please give valid reasons.
Fabulistical (
talk) 11:20, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
- Failing WP:CREATIVE is a valid reason to delete. What criterion in that guideline, exactly, is clearly and unambiguously met by the subject? ~ Anachronist ( talk) 18:34, 13 September 2017 (UTC)
- Please give valid reasons.
Fabulistical (
talk) 11:20, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
- Delete none of the refs support notability for wikipedia. -
Roxy the dog.
bark 20:20, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
- Please see my comment above. I believe it does meet notability criteria when considering that we are dealing with a fringe or alternative personality rather than a mainstream one. Fabulistical ( talk) 11:20, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
- Delete - even a fringe personality requires significant coverage in multiple reliable sources that are independent of the subject. If the sources are all fringe, that's just "in universe" coverage that doesn't confer notability. He may be notable in fringe circles, but this is an encyclopedia that is global in scope, and notability needs to be more than just from the fringes. ~ Anachronist ( talk) 18:34, 13 September 2017 (UTC)
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