The result was Userfy. Article will be moved to User:Dzimozz\drafts\Iron Mask (band) for further improvement with the suggestion that Dzimozz seek guidance from fellow experience editors and projects on the best ways to bring this article in line with WP standards.-- Mike Cline ( talk) 13:15, 30 July 2010 (UTC) reply
With only a myspace and their official website as external links, I believe it fails WP:Notability (music) LAA Fan 19:29, 19 July 2010 (UTC) reply
Well, you can check out their latest album at Yahoo. There are more than 42000 results of search for "Shadow Of The Red Baron". Besides, in Wikipedia there's an article about another Dushan Petrossi's project - "Magic Kingdom". Iron Mask is a more successful and popular project, so I think therefore there shuold be an article about it. Dushan Petrossi is considered as guitar hero #1 in Belgium, the belgian Yngwie Malmsteen. And in Iron MAsk there's of the greatest rock-singers of our epoch - Oliver Hartmann. Their latest album was highly estimated by many rock magazines, for example Burrn!
—Preceding unsigned comment added by Dzimozz ( talk • contribs) 19:49, 19 July 2010 (UTC) Dzimozz ( talk) 20:09, 19 July 2010 (UTC) reply
Their previous album "Hordes Of The Brave" was well-estimated too, in the same magazines. Besides, in "Iron Mask" we can find musicians, who performed in well-world-known bands and projects: Avantasia, Narnia, Joe Stump, Reign Of Terror, Edguy and so on - the articles about these bands can be found in Wikipedia. Iron Mask perfomed onstage with such monsters of rock as Soulfly, Aerismith, Primal Fear, Caracass and many others —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dzimozz ( talk • contribs) 19:54, 19 July 2010 (UTC) Dzimozz ( talk) 20:09, 19 July 2010 (UTC) And one more thing. Record labels Lion Music and Avalon\marquee are well-known, and there are articles 'bout 'em in Wikipedia —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dzimozz ( talk • contribs) 20:07, 19 July 2010 (UTC) Dzimozz ( talk) 20:09, 19 July 2010 (UTC) reply
Can I remove afd messeage? Is the isuue settled? Dzimozz ( talk) 20:17, 19 July 2010 (UTC) I have already explained the issue to JamesBWatson Dzimozz ( talk) 20:24, 19 July 2010 (UTC) reply
I can add more than 50 external links about the band and their albums, if nessesary Dzimozz ( talk) 20:30, 19 July 2010 (UTC) reply
Well, I can provide more references - these are the reviews of thier album "Hordes Of The Brave"
Hope, this will be enough. Their disks can be bought at Amazon, the record labels Lion Music and Avalon/Marquee are well-known. And one more thing. I've just searched for "iron mask" "shadow of the red baron" in Google - the number of results is about 1 700 000 ! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dzimozz ( talk • contribs) 20:47, 19 July 2010 (UTC) Dzimozz ( talk) 20:53, 19 July 2010 (UTC) Some sites are very popular, for example russian rock-metal site #1 darkside.ru Dzimozz ( talk) 20:53, 19 July 2010 (UTC) reply
Well, as far as I understood, an encyclopedia can be regarded as reliavle source for Wiki? In this case, I've found the link for the The Encyclopedia of heavy metal Metallian:www.metallian.com/dushanpetrossisironmask.htm Sorry for my English, I'm from Belarus, this is not an english-speaking country (former Soviet Unin, you know:-)) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dzimozz ( talk • contribs) 21:12, 19 July 2010 (UTC) Dzimozz ( talk) 21:15, 19 July 2010 (UTC) reply
And by the way, I think, my article meets the following criteria 1.5 WP:Notability (music): "Has released two or more albums on a major label or one of the more important indie labels" The Label is Lion Music. There's an article about this label in wikipedia.It was founded in 1989 as a production company for the composer and artist Lars Eric Mattsson. Lion Music has also released several well received quality tribute albums to Jason Becker, Shawn Lane, Ritchie Blackmore, Jimi Hendrix, Uli Jon Roth and Gary Moore. Lion Music's current release schedule sees an average of 3 to 4 new albums each month. And ALL THREE albums of Iron Mask were released on this label Dzimozz ( talk) 21:26, 19 July 2010 (UTC) reply
And one more criteria :"Is an ensemble which contains two or more independently notable musicians, or is a musician who has been a member of two or more independently notable ensembles.There is a musician - Oliver Hartmann, he has been member of several notable bands - Avantasia, At Vance, Edguy and so on. By the way, in the article about hartmann in Wikipedia there's mentioned that he participated on the album of Iron Mask "Hordes Of The Brave" (2005) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dzimozz ( talk • contribs) 21:35, 19 July 2010 (UTC) reply
Allright, Dennis! Hope, that I found RELIABLE source. Please check out this one: http://www.musicmight.com/artist/germany/hartmann and one more: http://www.musicmight.com/artist/belgium/brussels/magic+kingdom. And the following one: http://www.musicmight.com/artist/belgium/dushan+petrossi+27s+iron+mask Hope that Musicmight is a Reliable source. Dzimozz ( talk) 04:34, 20 July 2010 (UTC) reply
I forgot to mention, that one of the world's best metal keybordists Richard Anderson did all the keybords waor on Iron Mask's second album Hordes of the brave. Therefore, we have here TWO notable musicians - Richard Andersson and Oliver Hartmann. There is another great guitarist, who contributed to Tron Mask's album - Lars Eric Mattsson Dzimozz ( talk) 12:55, 20 July 2010 (UTC) reply
I tried to correct everything you've mentioned. Hope, now the article suits the requirements. Is there anything to change in order to remove these warning messages at the top of the article? Dzimozz ( talk) 18:41, 20 July 2010 (UTC) I hope, now it's quite neutral Dzimozz ( talk) 20:09, 20 July 2010 (UTC) reply
At least, is it possible to remove the very first note 'bout the deletion of article (at the top of it). Got a question: is the issue about possible deletion settled or not? Dzimozz ( talk) 20:35, 20 July 2010 (UTC) reply
Ok, I've made some changes and added the references, hope they are from RELIABLE sources. I do my best in order to make everything as it must be according to Wikipedia's rules. Hope, now the article suits these requirements. Got a question - why when i search for "iron mask band wikipedia" in YAHOO there are no references to the article, that I created in wikipedia? This is because the article is still nominated for deletion? Dzimozz ( talk) 16:38, 21 July 2010 (UTC) reply
Allright, I removed your note "Citation needed", and my 2nd reference and made single reference for this abstract. Hope, Rock Box is a reliable source. And Prog4you as well. At least, there are many links to these sites (i searched in google&yahoo). Dzimozz ( talk) 17:59, 21 July 2010 (UTC) reply
Oh, I'm sorry - search in Google for "iron mask band wikipedia" works!)))))))))))) Dzimozz ( talk) 18:08, 21 July 2010 (UTC) reply
One more question - when i provide references, is it a must that reference shuould be complete, for example www.psychocydd.co.uk/details.php?id=9dbe2c5276e89b66efff96a6548389def548707b or I just can provide reference for the site - www.psychocydd.co.uk? Dzimozz ( talk) 18:26, 21 July 2010 (UTC) reply
Ok, got it! Hope all my links are reliable and complete now))) Dzimozz ( talk) 20:11, 21 July 2010 (UTC) reply
Well, it seemed to me that Spada II ♪♫ is agree with my point that they HAVE ENOUGH COVERAGE in reliable sources - see his comment at the middle of the discussion. He said "they reviews and news coverage at bravewords magazine, Lords of metal, Metal Glory, Metal Express Radio...etc, plus they have discography." And I gave the references at THESE reliable sources. Dzimozz ( talk) 20:40, 21 July 2010 (UTC) reply
Spada II ♪♫ asked me just to provide one more reference - and I hope that I met this requirement. Dzimozz ( talk) 20:43, 21 July 2010 (UTC) reply
And one more thing. The incredible and one of the best rock-metall drummers of all times Mike Terrana was a member of Iron Mask for a while [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] Dzimozz ( talk) 21:13, 21 July 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dzimozz ( talk • contribs) 21:10, 21 July 2010 (UTC) reply
I noticed, that you've removed the abstracts about Iron Mask's 3d album Shadow Of The Red Baron and about their participation at Graspop Metal Meeting. Well, this 3d album is considered to be their best album, and at Graspop Iron Mask performed onstage alongside with Soulfly, Caracass and lot of other monsters of metal. Therefore, can I bring these abstracts back, cause they seem to be notable? Another question: Is it a must that I should keep YOUR references or I can provide my ones? Dzimozz ( talk) 03:52, 22 July 2010 (UTC) reply
I wonder, was anything wrong with the references that I provided last time ( [1] [2] [3]) - I just want to notice, that it seemed to me, that Spada II ♪♫ said, that these references are OK, and reference at Last.fm doesn't seem to be reliable. So, can I change your corrections and return to the very last version of the article? I'm not from english-speaking country, so probably I didn't cacth the idea, that Spada II ♪♫ wanted to express and deliver me with? Is anything wrong with the fact, that Dushan was influenced by Schenker and Moore?Iron mask even contributed to the tribute album "Give Us Moore" (Lion mysic) and performed Dary's hit Out In The Fields Dzimozz ( talk) 04:02, 22 July 2010 (UTC) reply
One more thing - in 2005 they toured with canadian thrash veterams Anvil - [7]. Can I add this fact? So, finally my qoestions are:
As I understand, according to wikipedia's deletion policy I can change my article in order to make, that it meets wiki's requirements. But the question is, that my corrections can be removed by YOU once more and the article will be in form, as it is now? I try to make article full, neutral, reliable and notable, that's why I need my corrections back, if it's possible)))) Dzimozz ( talk) 05:00, 22 July 2010 (UTC) reply
Allright, but it wasn't me who made the references at Last.fm, there is someone else. I remember all your requirements, and I provided the links, that I hope are reliable, but someone cut the arctice and established other links Dzimozz ( talk) 11:45, 22 July 2010 (UTC) reply
Hi, everyone! Tnx for stars! )))) I do my best to meet all the requirements, but it's nor simple (I've alreday told, that I live in non-english speakinf country - Belarus))))). I would ask you not to remove Roma Siadletsky from the list of band's members at the bottom of the group photo (at this foto he's second from the right) . The prove that Roma is band memeber can be found for example here [11] and i can give more than 50 links more. The point is that the guy, who created the official site of Iron Mask lives in USA and he forgot to mention Roma. While creating this article about the band, I act on behalf of Dushan himself and Roma, who was born in my country (Belarus). Awaiting for further recommendations, hope that one day the note about this article's deletion will be removed for the top of the page))). But what I know is that now in the world there are 6 more persons - LAA Fan, Dennis The Tiger, Spada II ♪♫, Michig, Piano tech, JamesBWatson - who know that there's such a wondeful band Iron MAsk))))) Hope, you'll like their last album "Shadow of the Red Baron"! Cheers Dzimozz ( talk) 12:50, 22 July 2010 (UTC) reply
Well, what else am I to add/remove/correct/improve in order to ask you to remove the notion that the article is being considered for deletion? Dzimozz ( talk) 20:02, 23 July 2010 (UTC) reply
I provided another reference, that I hope is reliable Tartarean Desire. The information about the site and its reliability can be found here Websiteindepthand here Websitetrafficspy There are references at this site in existing articles in wikipedia, that are not nominated for deletion- Korpiklaani, In Flames, Folk Metal, Gothic Metal. The same thing foe the reference at CdUniverse - in Wikipedia there's a reference at this site here - Jeff Healy and here The Doors. Hope this's quite reliable source. The information about its reliability can be founf here Trafficestimate and here Alexa.com Alexa Internet. Check out the criterias here WP:GOOGLE Dzim OZZ 07:33, 25 July 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dzimozz ( talk • contribs) 07:30, 25 July 2010 (UTC) reply
Ok, but as I said, there are the references at these site in many wikipedia articles (that I've mentioned). Does it means, that for these articles they are reliable, and for Iron Mask's one no? For example, in the article about famous metal band In Flames there's references for Tartareandesire. The reference is nor removed, and the article 'bout In Flames is not nominated for deletion. The same thing concerns article about Jeff Healy - here there's reference at CdUniverse.com. These references are not disputed by the administration (there's) no such box at the top of these articles, and they are not nominated for deletion.
I'm not insisting, that my opinon is 100% right, but I try to provide the valid arguments in the defense of Iron Mask))) In my article there's the reference for Blabbermouth.net. And in the article about Cradle Of Filth also! By the way, in wiki there are plenty of references at Roadrunnerrecords. Therefore I got a question. Are all these references in other articles reliable? If not, they also should be removed, or I didn't catch again the wikipedia's policy about new articles)))) And one more thing - the article about Graspop Metal Meeting can be found in Wikipedia, in this article there are references at Graspop - the same, that in my article about Iron Mask. And by the way, in Graspop Metal Meeting Iron Mask is mentioned as a member. Dzim OZZ 08:21, 25 July 2010 (UTC) reply
According to CWG magazine Iron Mask is in the list of the best 3333 rock/metal bands of the decade. Dzim OZZ
Well, I can provide references, cited by many other articles in wikipedia - Metal Storm Metal Storm (webzine) and Metalglory - if it's necessary. Or perhaps this one will go Maelstrom - there are many references in Wikipedia at this site. Dzim OZZ 13:03, 25 July 2010 (UTC) reply
About notability. Iron Mask contributed to documentary film about the Canadian heavy metal band Anvil - Anvil! The Story of Anvil. The external link is as follows The Internet Movie Database and I can provide many others. Hope, with this addition my article meets the criteria Has performed music for a work of media that is notable, e.g. a theme for a network television show, performance in a television show or notable film, inclusion on a notable compilation album, etc. WP:Notability (music) Dzim OZZ 08:55, 25 July 2010 (UTC) reply
In Wikipedia's articles about musical bands there are many and many references at Lords Of Metal - Thanasis Lightbridge, Lupus Dei, Antestor, Dol Ammad, Almah (band), Industrial metal, Accept and so on and so on. So, this is also reliable, as the references, that I mentioned above? Dzim OZZ 09:26, 25 July 2010 (UTC) reply
What about my reference for Metal Express Radio? As it seems to me, it should be reliable, 'cause we can find the references at shis site in the wikiarticles Slipknot (band), Europe (band), Machine Head (band) and many others. The same thing for my external link at rockeyz.com. Seems, this sourse is reliable as it is widely-used in Wikipedia's musical articles - Randy Black, The Angel and the Rain, well=known project Danger Angel, Epica (band) and so on, and Archaic Magazine - the references are in 30 wikiarticles.Once again, these are existing articles and the are not nominated for deletion Dzim OZZ 09:42, 25 July 2010 (UTC) reply
I checked for another 3 references, that I provided: Metal Archives and Spirit Of Metal and Rock Report. These sites are widely used as references in many Wikipedia's articles. Dzim OZZ
One more thing, that I want to mention. It seems to me, that all the articles in Wikipedia, especieally new-created articles should be treated equally by WikiAdministrators. What I mean here is that to ALL THE ARTICLES, and for those about musicians/bands as well, the same rules must be applicable: notability, reliability and so on. This would be fair. But, in Wikipedia there are plenty of articles with NO references, NO links, where the author just mention band members, discography, history, and there are no valid links for it! The example - article about the band Justice. By the way, this band's drummer Rami Ali is mentioned in my article, 'cause for a short time he was memeber of Iron Mask - Justice at musicmight.com Rami Ali's Official Site. So, does this mean that the articles with no references, no link, no coverage could be published in Wikipedia, and the articles like mine about "Iron Mask" (probably a little MORE notable than Justice) are nominated for deletion? Probably, everything that I've mentioned above is just emotions and not an argument, I beg Your pardon for this... But anyway... I expect, that a consensus for my article will be found! Best regards Dzim OZZ 16:49, 25 July 2010 (UTC) reply
OK, Dennis, I got it! More facts, less words))) Iron Mask was covered in Burrn! Magazine (Japan). Their latest album "Shadow Of The Red Baron" is pictured on the inner cover. I've made changes in my article. Dzim OZZ —Preceding undated comment added 17:57, 26 July 2010 (UTC). reply
Well, Chzz ► explained me, that I can provide references for paper magazines, If the band have appeared in any printed magazines or newspapers. Please check Chzz'talk on the point. I gave link for Ebay just to show you, that Burrn! is a reliable source))) I think, this is verifiable. Of course, it's impossible to provide the direct link for the inner cover - 'cause it's paper magazine, but Chzz ► told me about WP:AGF Dzim OZZ. —Preceding undated comment added 18:32, 26 July 2010 (UTC). reply
Once again - I gave URL just to show, that Burrn! is reliable magazine and to show you the front cover (to explain, that this issue really EXISTS))). What I try to claim is: if a band is covered in notable magazine, does it work for notability of the band in Wikipedia? "Shadow Of The Red Baron" was estimated 80/100 by Burrn!, but unfortunately, I can't prove it by providing the link - the magazine is only on paper(((((((. And what about Iron Mask's contribution to Anvil! The Story of Anvil WP:Notability (music)? (I provided the reference and arguments earlier on this page) Dzimozz ( talk) 20:05, 26 July 2010 (UTC) reply
All right... I removed the reference for Burrn!((( Probably, this one will help: Burrn! 2000-2010. This is russian site where there are covers of all the Burrn! issues 2000-2010 and short description of each issue (contents). It's stated, that in issue #6 - 2005 there's article 'bout Iron Mask. I can try to find these issues in paper (#6-2005 and #12-2009), scan images & articles 'bout Mask and show to you - but this will not be simple)))) All best! Dzimozz ( talk) 04:49, 27 July 2010 (UTC) reply
Allright(((, you're the administration and you're to decide. But before doing so I kindly ask you to evaluate once more all the arguments that I highlited. If it's possible, I would propose not to remove the article, but to remove this AfD and add instead the notion about references and necessary changes (you know). And please take into consideration, that I followed all the user's and administration's recomendations and provided references, that others considered reliable. All best, Iron Mask's Red Baron, Dzimozz( talk) 16:16, 27 July 2010 (UTC) reply
Hi, Novaseminary ( talk)! TNX for your opinion!))) I can send you the image - that proves, that Iron Mask was covered on the inner cover of Burrn! Magazine (japan) #12-2009 Probably, this is not an argument - but I have just searched in Google for "iron mask" "shadow of the red baron". The Number of results is 1 670 000. Dzimozz ( talk) 18:29, 27 July 2010 (UTC) reply
Probably the final argument. All 3 Iron Mask's albums are mentioned at the site of Billboard. They are not RANKED, but they are COVERED at Billboard's official site. Will this reference work? Dzimozz ( talk) 19:43, 28 July 2010 (UTC) reply
The result was Userfy. Article will be moved to User:Dzimozz\drafts\Iron Mask (band) for further improvement with the suggestion that Dzimozz seek guidance from fellow experience editors and projects on the best ways to bring this article in line with WP standards.-- Mike Cline ( talk) 13:15, 30 July 2010 (UTC) reply
With only a myspace and their official website as external links, I believe it fails WP:Notability (music) LAA Fan 19:29, 19 July 2010 (UTC) reply
Well, you can check out their latest album at Yahoo. There are more than 42000 results of search for "Shadow Of The Red Baron". Besides, in Wikipedia there's an article about another Dushan Petrossi's project - "Magic Kingdom". Iron Mask is a more successful and popular project, so I think therefore there shuold be an article about it. Dushan Petrossi is considered as guitar hero #1 in Belgium, the belgian Yngwie Malmsteen. And in Iron MAsk there's of the greatest rock-singers of our epoch - Oliver Hartmann. Their latest album was highly estimated by many rock magazines, for example Burrn!
—Preceding unsigned comment added by Dzimozz ( talk • contribs) 19:49, 19 July 2010 (UTC) Dzimozz ( talk) 20:09, 19 July 2010 (UTC) reply
Their previous album "Hordes Of The Brave" was well-estimated too, in the same magazines. Besides, in "Iron Mask" we can find musicians, who performed in well-world-known bands and projects: Avantasia, Narnia, Joe Stump, Reign Of Terror, Edguy and so on - the articles about these bands can be found in Wikipedia. Iron Mask perfomed onstage with such monsters of rock as Soulfly, Aerismith, Primal Fear, Caracass and many others —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dzimozz ( talk • contribs) 19:54, 19 July 2010 (UTC) Dzimozz ( talk) 20:09, 19 July 2010 (UTC) And one more thing. Record labels Lion Music and Avalon\marquee are well-known, and there are articles 'bout 'em in Wikipedia —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dzimozz ( talk • contribs) 20:07, 19 July 2010 (UTC) Dzimozz ( talk) 20:09, 19 July 2010 (UTC) reply
Can I remove afd messeage? Is the isuue settled? Dzimozz ( talk) 20:17, 19 July 2010 (UTC) I have already explained the issue to JamesBWatson Dzimozz ( talk) 20:24, 19 July 2010 (UTC) reply
I can add more than 50 external links about the band and their albums, if nessesary Dzimozz ( talk) 20:30, 19 July 2010 (UTC) reply
Well, I can provide more references - these are the reviews of thier album "Hordes Of The Brave"
Hope, this will be enough. Their disks can be bought at Amazon, the record labels Lion Music and Avalon/Marquee are well-known. And one more thing. I've just searched for "iron mask" "shadow of the red baron" in Google - the number of results is about 1 700 000 ! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dzimozz ( talk • contribs) 20:47, 19 July 2010 (UTC) Dzimozz ( talk) 20:53, 19 July 2010 (UTC) Some sites are very popular, for example russian rock-metal site #1 darkside.ru Dzimozz ( talk) 20:53, 19 July 2010 (UTC) reply
Well, as far as I understood, an encyclopedia can be regarded as reliavle source for Wiki? In this case, I've found the link for the The Encyclopedia of heavy metal Metallian:www.metallian.com/dushanpetrossisironmask.htm Sorry for my English, I'm from Belarus, this is not an english-speaking country (former Soviet Unin, you know:-)) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dzimozz ( talk • contribs) 21:12, 19 July 2010 (UTC) Dzimozz ( talk) 21:15, 19 July 2010 (UTC) reply
And by the way, I think, my article meets the following criteria 1.5 WP:Notability (music): "Has released two or more albums on a major label or one of the more important indie labels" The Label is Lion Music. There's an article about this label in wikipedia.It was founded in 1989 as a production company for the composer and artist Lars Eric Mattsson. Lion Music has also released several well received quality tribute albums to Jason Becker, Shawn Lane, Ritchie Blackmore, Jimi Hendrix, Uli Jon Roth and Gary Moore. Lion Music's current release schedule sees an average of 3 to 4 new albums each month. And ALL THREE albums of Iron Mask were released on this label Dzimozz ( talk) 21:26, 19 July 2010 (UTC) reply
And one more criteria :"Is an ensemble which contains two or more independently notable musicians, or is a musician who has been a member of two or more independently notable ensembles.There is a musician - Oliver Hartmann, he has been member of several notable bands - Avantasia, At Vance, Edguy and so on. By the way, in the article about hartmann in Wikipedia there's mentioned that he participated on the album of Iron Mask "Hordes Of The Brave" (2005) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dzimozz ( talk • contribs) 21:35, 19 July 2010 (UTC) reply
Allright, Dennis! Hope, that I found RELIABLE source. Please check out this one: http://www.musicmight.com/artist/germany/hartmann and one more: http://www.musicmight.com/artist/belgium/brussels/magic+kingdom. And the following one: http://www.musicmight.com/artist/belgium/dushan+petrossi+27s+iron+mask Hope that Musicmight is a Reliable source. Dzimozz ( talk) 04:34, 20 July 2010 (UTC) reply
I forgot to mention, that one of the world's best metal keybordists Richard Anderson did all the keybords waor on Iron Mask's second album Hordes of the brave. Therefore, we have here TWO notable musicians - Richard Andersson and Oliver Hartmann. There is another great guitarist, who contributed to Tron Mask's album - Lars Eric Mattsson Dzimozz ( talk) 12:55, 20 July 2010 (UTC) reply
I tried to correct everything you've mentioned. Hope, now the article suits the requirements. Is there anything to change in order to remove these warning messages at the top of the article? Dzimozz ( talk) 18:41, 20 July 2010 (UTC) I hope, now it's quite neutral Dzimozz ( talk) 20:09, 20 July 2010 (UTC) reply
At least, is it possible to remove the very first note 'bout the deletion of article (at the top of it). Got a question: is the issue about possible deletion settled or not? Dzimozz ( talk) 20:35, 20 July 2010 (UTC) reply
Ok, I've made some changes and added the references, hope they are from RELIABLE sources. I do my best in order to make everything as it must be according to Wikipedia's rules. Hope, now the article suits these requirements. Got a question - why when i search for "iron mask band wikipedia" in YAHOO there are no references to the article, that I created in wikipedia? This is because the article is still nominated for deletion? Dzimozz ( talk) 16:38, 21 July 2010 (UTC) reply
Allright, I removed your note "Citation needed", and my 2nd reference and made single reference for this abstract. Hope, Rock Box is a reliable source. And Prog4you as well. At least, there are many links to these sites (i searched in google&yahoo). Dzimozz ( talk) 17:59, 21 July 2010 (UTC) reply
Oh, I'm sorry - search in Google for "iron mask band wikipedia" works!)))))))))))) Dzimozz ( talk) 18:08, 21 July 2010 (UTC) reply
One more question - when i provide references, is it a must that reference shuould be complete, for example www.psychocydd.co.uk/details.php?id=9dbe2c5276e89b66efff96a6548389def548707b or I just can provide reference for the site - www.psychocydd.co.uk? Dzimozz ( talk) 18:26, 21 July 2010 (UTC) reply
Ok, got it! Hope all my links are reliable and complete now))) Dzimozz ( talk) 20:11, 21 July 2010 (UTC) reply
Well, it seemed to me that Spada II ♪♫ is agree with my point that they HAVE ENOUGH COVERAGE in reliable sources - see his comment at the middle of the discussion. He said "they reviews and news coverage at bravewords magazine, Lords of metal, Metal Glory, Metal Express Radio...etc, plus they have discography." And I gave the references at THESE reliable sources. Dzimozz ( talk) 20:40, 21 July 2010 (UTC) reply
Spada II ♪♫ asked me just to provide one more reference - and I hope that I met this requirement. Dzimozz ( talk) 20:43, 21 July 2010 (UTC) reply
And one more thing. The incredible and one of the best rock-metall drummers of all times Mike Terrana was a member of Iron Mask for a while [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] Dzimozz ( talk) 21:13, 21 July 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dzimozz ( talk • contribs) 21:10, 21 July 2010 (UTC) reply
I noticed, that you've removed the abstracts about Iron Mask's 3d album Shadow Of The Red Baron and about their participation at Graspop Metal Meeting. Well, this 3d album is considered to be their best album, and at Graspop Iron Mask performed onstage alongside with Soulfly, Caracass and lot of other monsters of metal. Therefore, can I bring these abstracts back, cause they seem to be notable? Another question: Is it a must that I should keep YOUR references or I can provide my ones? Dzimozz ( talk) 03:52, 22 July 2010 (UTC) reply
I wonder, was anything wrong with the references that I provided last time ( [1] [2] [3]) - I just want to notice, that it seemed to me, that Spada II ♪♫ said, that these references are OK, and reference at Last.fm doesn't seem to be reliable. So, can I change your corrections and return to the very last version of the article? I'm not from english-speaking country, so probably I didn't cacth the idea, that Spada II ♪♫ wanted to express and deliver me with? Is anything wrong with the fact, that Dushan was influenced by Schenker and Moore?Iron mask even contributed to the tribute album "Give Us Moore" (Lion mysic) and performed Dary's hit Out In The Fields Dzimozz ( talk) 04:02, 22 July 2010 (UTC) reply
One more thing - in 2005 they toured with canadian thrash veterams Anvil - [7]. Can I add this fact? So, finally my qoestions are:
As I understand, according to wikipedia's deletion policy I can change my article in order to make, that it meets wiki's requirements. But the question is, that my corrections can be removed by YOU once more and the article will be in form, as it is now? I try to make article full, neutral, reliable and notable, that's why I need my corrections back, if it's possible)))) Dzimozz ( talk) 05:00, 22 July 2010 (UTC) reply
Allright, but it wasn't me who made the references at Last.fm, there is someone else. I remember all your requirements, and I provided the links, that I hope are reliable, but someone cut the arctice and established other links Dzimozz ( talk) 11:45, 22 July 2010 (UTC) reply
Hi, everyone! Tnx for stars! )))) I do my best to meet all the requirements, but it's nor simple (I've alreday told, that I live in non-english speakinf country - Belarus))))). I would ask you not to remove Roma Siadletsky from the list of band's members at the bottom of the group photo (at this foto he's second from the right) . The prove that Roma is band memeber can be found for example here [11] and i can give more than 50 links more. The point is that the guy, who created the official site of Iron Mask lives in USA and he forgot to mention Roma. While creating this article about the band, I act on behalf of Dushan himself and Roma, who was born in my country (Belarus). Awaiting for further recommendations, hope that one day the note about this article's deletion will be removed for the top of the page))). But what I know is that now in the world there are 6 more persons - LAA Fan, Dennis The Tiger, Spada II ♪♫, Michig, Piano tech, JamesBWatson - who know that there's such a wondeful band Iron MAsk))))) Hope, you'll like their last album "Shadow of the Red Baron"! Cheers Dzimozz ( talk) 12:50, 22 July 2010 (UTC) reply
Well, what else am I to add/remove/correct/improve in order to ask you to remove the notion that the article is being considered for deletion? Dzimozz ( talk) 20:02, 23 July 2010 (UTC) reply
I provided another reference, that I hope is reliable Tartarean Desire. The information about the site and its reliability can be found here Websiteindepthand here Websitetrafficspy There are references at this site in existing articles in wikipedia, that are not nominated for deletion- Korpiklaani, In Flames, Folk Metal, Gothic Metal. The same thing foe the reference at CdUniverse - in Wikipedia there's a reference at this site here - Jeff Healy and here The Doors. Hope this's quite reliable source. The information about its reliability can be founf here Trafficestimate and here Alexa.com Alexa Internet. Check out the criterias here WP:GOOGLE Dzim OZZ 07:33, 25 July 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dzimozz ( talk • contribs) 07:30, 25 July 2010 (UTC) reply
Ok, but as I said, there are the references at these site in many wikipedia articles (that I've mentioned). Does it means, that for these articles they are reliable, and for Iron Mask's one no? For example, in the article about famous metal band In Flames there's references for Tartareandesire. The reference is nor removed, and the article 'bout In Flames is not nominated for deletion. The same thing concerns article about Jeff Healy - here there's reference at CdUniverse.com. These references are not disputed by the administration (there's) no such box at the top of these articles, and they are not nominated for deletion.
I'm not insisting, that my opinon is 100% right, but I try to provide the valid arguments in the defense of Iron Mask))) In my article there's the reference for Blabbermouth.net. And in the article about Cradle Of Filth also! By the way, in wiki there are plenty of references at Roadrunnerrecords. Therefore I got a question. Are all these references in other articles reliable? If not, they also should be removed, or I didn't catch again the wikipedia's policy about new articles)))) And one more thing - the article about Graspop Metal Meeting can be found in Wikipedia, in this article there are references at Graspop - the same, that in my article about Iron Mask. And by the way, in Graspop Metal Meeting Iron Mask is mentioned as a member. Dzim OZZ 08:21, 25 July 2010 (UTC) reply
According to CWG magazine Iron Mask is in the list of the best 3333 rock/metal bands of the decade. Dzim OZZ
Well, I can provide references, cited by many other articles in wikipedia - Metal Storm Metal Storm (webzine) and Metalglory - if it's necessary. Or perhaps this one will go Maelstrom - there are many references in Wikipedia at this site. Dzim OZZ 13:03, 25 July 2010 (UTC) reply
About notability. Iron Mask contributed to documentary film about the Canadian heavy metal band Anvil - Anvil! The Story of Anvil. The external link is as follows The Internet Movie Database and I can provide many others. Hope, with this addition my article meets the criteria Has performed music for a work of media that is notable, e.g. a theme for a network television show, performance in a television show or notable film, inclusion on a notable compilation album, etc. WP:Notability (music) Dzim OZZ 08:55, 25 July 2010 (UTC) reply
In Wikipedia's articles about musical bands there are many and many references at Lords Of Metal - Thanasis Lightbridge, Lupus Dei, Antestor, Dol Ammad, Almah (band), Industrial metal, Accept and so on and so on. So, this is also reliable, as the references, that I mentioned above? Dzim OZZ 09:26, 25 July 2010 (UTC) reply
What about my reference for Metal Express Radio? As it seems to me, it should be reliable, 'cause we can find the references at shis site in the wikiarticles Slipknot (band), Europe (band), Machine Head (band) and many others. The same thing for my external link at rockeyz.com. Seems, this sourse is reliable as it is widely-used in Wikipedia's musical articles - Randy Black, The Angel and the Rain, well=known project Danger Angel, Epica (band) and so on, and Archaic Magazine - the references are in 30 wikiarticles.Once again, these are existing articles and the are not nominated for deletion Dzim OZZ 09:42, 25 July 2010 (UTC) reply
I checked for another 3 references, that I provided: Metal Archives and Spirit Of Metal and Rock Report. These sites are widely used as references in many Wikipedia's articles. Dzim OZZ
One more thing, that I want to mention. It seems to me, that all the articles in Wikipedia, especieally new-created articles should be treated equally by WikiAdministrators. What I mean here is that to ALL THE ARTICLES, and for those about musicians/bands as well, the same rules must be applicable: notability, reliability and so on. This would be fair. But, in Wikipedia there are plenty of articles with NO references, NO links, where the author just mention band members, discography, history, and there are no valid links for it! The example - article about the band Justice. By the way, this band's drummer Rami Ali is mentioned in my article, 'cause for a short time he was memeber of Iron Mask - Justice at musicmight.com Rami Ali's Official Site. So, does this mean that the articles with no references, no link, no coverage could be published in Wikipedia, and the articles like mine about "Iron Mask" (probably a little MORE notable than Justice) are nominated for deletion? Probably, everything that I've mentioned above is just emotions and not an argument, I beg Your pardon for this... But anyway... I expect, that a consensus for my article will be found! Best regards Dzim OZZ 16:49, 25 July 2010 (UTC) reply
OK, Dennis, I got it! More facts, less words))) Iron Mask was covered in Burrn! Magazine (Japan). Their latest album "Shadow Of The Red Baron" is pictured on the inner cover. I've made changes in my article. Dzim OZZ —Preceding undated comment added 17:57, 26 July 2010 (UTC). reply
Well, Chzz ► explained me, that I can provide references for paper magazines, If the band have appeared in any printed magazines or newspapers. Please check Chzz'talk on the point. I gave link for Ebay just to show you, that Burrn! is a reliable source))) I think, this is verifiable. Of course, it's impossible to provide the direct link for the inner cover - 'cause it's paper magazine, but Chzz ► told me about WP:AGF Dzim OZZ. —Preceding undated comment added 18:32, 26 July 2010 (UTC). reply
Once again - I gave URL just to show, that Burrn! is reliable magazine and to show you the front cover (to explain, that this issue really EXISTS))). What I try to claim is: if a band is covered in notable magazine, does it work for notability of the band in Wikipedia? "Shadow Of The Red Baron" was estimated 80/100 by Burrn!, but unfortunately, I can't prove it by providing the link - the magazine is only on paper(((((((. And what about Iron Mask's contribution to Anvil! The Story of Anvil WP:Notability (music)? (I provided the reference and arguments earlier on this page) Dzimozz ( talk) 20:05, 26 July 2010 (UTC) reply
All right... I removed the reference for Burrn!((( Probably, this one will help: Burrn! 2000-2010. This is russian site where there are covers of all the Burrn! issues 2000-2010 and short description of each issue (contents). It's stated, that in issue #6 - 2005 there's article 'bout Iron Mask. I can try to find these issues in paper (#6-2005 and #12-2009), scan images & articles 'bout Mask and show to you - but this will not be simple)))) All best! Dzimozz ( talk) 04:49, 27 July 2010 (UTC) reply
Allright(((, you're the administration and you're to decide. But before doing so I kindly ask you to evaluate once more all the arguments that I highlited. If it's possible, I would propose not to remove the article, but to remove this AfD and add instead the notion about references and necessary changes (you know). And please take into consideration, that I followed all the user's and administration's recomendations and provided references, that others considered reliable. All best, Iron Mask's Red Baron, Dzimozz( talk) 16:16, 27 July 2010 (UTC) reply
Hi, Novaseminary ( talk)! TNX for your opinion!))) I can send you the image - that proves, that Iron Mask was covered on the inner cover of Burrn! Magazine (japan) #12-2009 Probably, this is not an argument - but I have just searched in Google for "iron mask" "shadow of the red baron". The Number of results is 1 670 000. Dzimozz ( talk) 18:29, 27 July 2010 (UTC) reply
Probably the final argument. All 3 Iron Mask's albums are mentioned at the site of Billboard. They are not RANKED, but they are COVERED at Billboard's official site. Will this reference work? Dzimozz ( talk) 19:43, 28 July 2010 (UTC) reply