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The result was delete. Daniel ( talk) 00:03, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
Hilja Tavaststjerna
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Generally, subject doesn’t pass WP:GNG, more specifically, doesn’t pass WP:NWRITER, sources fails verification, nothing to show notability. Cursory search returned nothing useful. Vanderwaalforces ( talk) 05:49, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
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- keep I have added two Swedish sources that support her books. and also A source I added refers to her as the principal of the school — Patricia ( Talk) 11:09, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
- Delete - No indicia of passing either GNG or NAUTHOR.
- Ref #1 (literaturbanken.se) is literally a single sentence.
- Ref #2 (libris.kb.se) is just a search result listing
- Ref #3 (libris.kb.se) is some kind of a database entry, consisting of name, DOB/DOD and a 4-word description
- Ref #4 (yksityiskoulut.fi) is a passing mention, listing her in a list of rectors. I'm also unclear what makes this a reliable source.
- Ref #5 (libris.kb.se) is a barebones library database entry about a book
- Ref #6 (litteraturbanken.se) is an extremely brief description of a play
- Absolutely none of these is useful in the least for demonstrating the subject meets either GNG or NAUTHOR. - Ljleppan ( talk) 14:46, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
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- Leaning keep. Seems to have been widely covered for her work in a school. We can probably combine sources for WP:BASIC here. For example, [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] — siro χ o 08:33, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
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- Delete - I tried hard but I couldn't find enough that I could understand. There are some book previews as Siroxo found but unless someone can translate them, they're effectively useless. I can't figure out how to copy and paste them into a translation app. These refs may meet technically meet the notability guidelines but not the spirit if they're unusable to writers on this Wikipedia. @ Siroxo, @ Ljleppan and @ Patricia Mannerheim, if any of you can translate or figure a way to paste this material into a translator, I am open to revisiting my "delete" - ping me.
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- I can read Finnish natively, and know some basic Swedish, and as far as I can see and the book previews by Siroxo all are extremely passing mentions.
- #1 is looks to be just a mention of "We [the Parliament of Finland] gave Hilja Tavaststjerna a loan of 1500 marks for building a kindergarden".
- #2 describes how someone else (unclear who, but not Hilja) worked as a teacher in Hilja's school.
- #3 is a passing mention of how the senate grants Hilja's school 2000 marks because the times were bad.
- #4 is just the same text as #1.
- #5 is a passing mention, basically "In 1900, the small girls' school founded by Hilja Tavaststjerna in 1879 came under the management of Helena Forsman, and the curriculum was changed so that..." and then continues talking about what that other person did.
- #6 talks about how Mary Gallen-Kallela (the topic of the book) studied in a school ran by Hilja for five years, hearing her tell fairy tales and getting to use a microscope. Again, very brief.
- I don't see how any this is useful for GNG purposes.
Ljleppan (
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- Ljleppan, thanks. -- A. B. ( talk • contribs • global count) 20:32, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
- I can read Finnish natively, and know some basic Swedish, and as far as I can see and the book previews by Siroxo all are extremely passing mentions.
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The result was delete. Daniel ( talk) 00:03, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
Hilja Tavaststjerna
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Generally, subject doesn’t pass WP:GNG, more specifically, doesn’t pass WP:NWRITER, sources fails verification, nothing to show notability. Cursory search returned nothing useful. Vanderwaalforces ( talk) 05:49, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
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- keep I have added two Swedish sources that support her books. and also A source I added refers to her as the principal of the school — Patricia ( Talk) 11:09, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
- Delete - No indicia of passing either GNG or NAUTHOR.
- Ref #1 (literaturbanken.se) is literally a single sentence.
- Ref #2 (libris.kb.se) is just a search result listing
- Ref #3 (libris.kb.se) is some kind of a database entry, consisting of name, DOB/DOD and a 4-word description
- Ref #4 (yksityiskoulut.fi) is a passing mention, listing her in a list of rectors. I'm also unclear what makes this a reliable source.
- Ref #5 (libris.kb.se) is a barebones library database entry about a book
- Ref #6 (litteraturbanken.se) is an extremely brief description of a play
- Absolutely none of these is useful in the least for demonstrating the subject meets either GNG or NAUTHOR. - Ljleppan ( talk) 14:46, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 06:16, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
- Leaning keep. Seems to have been widely covered for her work in a school. We can probably combine sources for WP:BASIC here. For example, [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] — siro χ o 08:33, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 06:48, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
- Delete - I tried hard but I couldn't find enough that I could understand. There are some book previews as Siroxo found but unless someone can translate them, they're effectively useless. I can't figure out how to copy and paste them into a translation app. These refs may meet technically meet the notability guidelines but not the spirit if they're unusable to writers on this Wikipedia. @ Siroxo, @ Ljleppan and @ Patricia Mannerheim, if any of you can translate or figure a way to paste this material into a translator, I am open to revisiting my "delete" - ping me.
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A. B. (
talk •
contribs •
global count) 16:12, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
- I can read Finnish natively, and know some basic Swedish, and as far as I can see and the book previews by Siroxo all are extremely passing mentions.
- #1 is looks to be just a mention of "We [the Parliament of Finland] gave Hilja Tavaststjerna a loan of 1500 marks for building a kindergarden".
- #2 describes how someone else (unclear who, but not Hilja) worked as a teacher in Hilja's school.
- #3 is a passing mention of how the senate grants Hilja's school 2000 marks because the times were bad.
- #4 is just the same text as #1.
- #5 is a passing mention, basically "In 1900, the small girls' school founded by Hilja Tavaststjerna in 1879 came under the management of Helena Forsman, and the curriculum was changed so that..." and then continues talking about what that other person did.
- #6 talks about how Mary Gallen-Kallela (the topic of the book) studied in a school ran by Hilja for five years, hearing her tell fairy tales and getting to use a microscope. Again, very brief.
- I don't see how any this is useful for GNG purposes.
Ljleppan (
talk) 18:31, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
- Ljleppan, thanks. -- A. B. ( talk • contribs • global count) 20:32, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
- I can read Finnish natively, and know some basic Swedish, and as far as I can see and the book previews by Siroxo all are extremely passing mentions.
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.