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The result was no consensus. Given the lack of comment after 2 relists and that it's ineligible for soft deletion, I'm closing this as no consensus. Legoktm ( talk) 04:26, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
Gwaun Troed-rhiw-seiri a Llyn Mynydd-gorddu
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PROD removed but no indication of notability. This is listed as a site of special scientific interest and is also listed on our List of SSSIs in Ceredigion and discussed on Trefeurig where it is explained it is an SSSI because the marshy grassland there is considered rare. But that is all that distinguishes it and there is no significant coverage of the issue (and over 12% of land in Wales is listed as an SSSI). This fails WP:GEOLAND on every category and particularly because it does not name one place but two. Gwaun Troed-rhiw-seiri is a moorland area (Gwaun is moorland) and Llyn Mynydd-gorddu is an upland lake (technically just a pond) (Llyn being a lake). The only named feature on the Ordinance Survey maps is Mynydd Gorddu itself, which is a 300 metre high hill that now sports a windfarm. There is not sufficient information available to construct an article in its own right and it is not notable for an an article. Sirfurboy🏄 ( talk) 11:10, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Geography and Wales. Shellwood ( talk) 12:21, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
- It only has around 290 Google hits but the Welsh Wikipedia article does have more information but the reference is dead.
Crouch, Swale (
talk) 20:38, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, Welsh Wikipedia seems to have referred to the original SSSI listing which included a survey of plant species and varieties found at the site. As you say, the link has gone away because CCW was subsumed into Natural Resources Wales (NRW), who presumably have this information somewhere but don't seem to have published it. Even if we had it, what we have is a list of plants found at two related sites, but not uniquely there. What we don't have is any secondary treatment of the SSSI at all. Being an SSSI you might think that there were scientists studying it, but if so, they don't seem to have published anything. Sirfurboy🏄 ( talk) 20:03, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Ineligible for soft deletion.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗ plicit 12:29, 21 November 2022 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 17:18, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
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The result was no consensus. Given the lack of comment after 2 relists and that it's ineligible for soft deletion, I'm closing this as no consensus. Legoktm ( talk) 04:26, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
Gwaun Troed-rhiw-seiri a Llyn Mynydd-gorddu
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PROD removed but no indication of notability. This is listed as a site of special scientific interest and is also listed on our List of SSSIs in Ceredigion and discussed on Trefeurig where it is explained it is an SSSI because the marshy grassland there is considered rare. But that is all that distinguishes it and there is no significant coverage of the issue (and over 12% of land in Wales is listed as an SSSI). This fails WP:GEOLAND on every category and particularly because it does not name one place but two. Gwaun Troed-rhiw-seiri is a moorland area (Gwaun is moorland) and Llyn Mynydd-gorddu is an upland lake (technically just a pond) (Llyn being a lake). The only named feature on the Ordinance Survey maps is Mynydd Gorddu itself, which is a 300 metre high hill that now sports a windfarm. There is not sufficient information available to construct an article in its own right and it is not notable for an an article. Sirfurboy🏄 ( talk) 11:10, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Geography and Wales. Shellwood ( talk) 12:21, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
- It only has around 290 Google hits but the Welsh Wikipedia article does have more information but the reference is dead.
Crouch, Swale (
talk) 20:38, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, Welsh Wikipedia seems to have referred to the original SSSI listing which included a survey of plant species and varieties found at the site. As you say, the link has gone away because CCW was subsumed into Natural Resources Wales (NRW), who presumably have this information somewhere but don't seem to have published it. Even if we had it, what we have is a list of plants found at two related sites, but not uniquely there. What we don't have is any secondary treatment of the SSSI at all. Being an SSSI you might think that there were scientists studying it, but if so, they don't seem to have published anything. Sirfurboy🏄 ( talk) 20:03, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Ineligible for soft deletion.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗ plicit 12:29, 21 November 2022 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 17:18, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
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