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The result was keep and the nomination was withdrawn. I leave the rename/move to interested editors. Star Mississippi 13:11, 16 June 2023 (UTC)
Grand Mosque Allahabad
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Lacks coverage in reliable sources. This article is based on Wikipedia:Original research. BookishReader ( talk) 00:54, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Islam and Pakistan. Hey man im josh ( talk) 01:00, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
- Keep. You have got to be kidding me. It is not a made-up false thing (see photo at right, and see Commons category:Grand Mosque Allahabad). The article states it has 101 domes and capacity for 10,000 worshippers. It was under construction in 2018. Surely there is coverage of its construction, though perhaps not found by Google searching "Grand Mosque Allahabad", which is obviously not in Urdu and is perhaps not even its common name in English. Search "masjid Sindh" and other variations of placenames and "mosque". Here is one academic-type paper about it: Grand_Mosque_Allahabad_Kandyaro_5_april_1_corrected. There is a news report in OpIndia (a blacklisted site so my edit including the URL won't save) about a pretty horrible crime caught by CCTV (I believe in this mosque) "Pakistan: Maulvi rapes child reading Quran in mosque in Sindh province, caught on CCTV". User:BookishReader, your not liking the sources means you could tag the article, but opening an AFD is not called for without performing a decent wp:BEFORE effort. Given pretty obvious significance, if you haven't found significant coverage, you haven't searched enough. wp:AFDISNOTFORCLEANUP. Perhaps this AFD should be cut short and closed as "Speedy Keep". --Doncram ( talk, contribs) 03:13, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
- KEEP Certainly gives the impression that this Deletion Nominator is going after the entire category of MOSQUES in Pakistan this time? Other Wikipedia editors have objected to him 'flooding the AfD Forum with a flurry of nominations'. See their comments above here at
St. Patrick's Institute of Science & Technology about this. I also ask the same question
WP:AFDISNOTFORCLEANUP. Let's pay attention to Wikipedia guidelines, please...
Ngrewal1 (
talk) 06:14, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
- You have to stop casting aspersions against me. This is already enough. Please strike this statement "Certainly gives the impression that this Deletion Nominator is going after the entire category of MOSQUES in Pakistan this time?" immediately. I know what it takes to create articles and I have started many articles about mosques: Ali Muhammad Khan Mosque, Akhund Panju Baba Mosque, Sawi Mosque. BookishReader ( talk) 11:49, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 04:59, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
- Comment The usage of Allahabad in the name limits my searches due to location from where I am accessing the internet.
Allahabad is a place in India and this Grand Mosque Allahabad in is Pakistan. My search in English did not bring anything helpful and Urdu searches come mostly about mosques in
Allahabad. I am not sure about the reliability of the paper available on academia because that's a social media site. Best, ─
The Aafī
(talk) 10:45, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
- Exactly. Doncram's both sources are unreliable. The article (OpIndia) they're referring to must be about a mosque in Allahabad, India. Academia.edu is just a file uploaded by the mosque itself (brochure like) - it is not an academic journal article. BookishReader ( talk) 20:57, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: to clarify whether sourcing is about the correct building or not.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Star Mississippi 02:32, 3 June 2023 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Final relist.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 05:28, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
- BookishReader's claim that I confused India with Pakistan is reckless and false. The Opindia article refers to Sindh province, which is in Pakistan, in its title. I !voted "Keep". --Doncram ( talk, contribs) 05:50, 14 June 2023 (UTC)
- Keep It's honestly really difficult to find information on this, in English, in a way that clearly passes GNG. I've performed several different searches with several different spellings. It's clearly verified, though, it's clearly mentioned in news reports to the point where WP:OR clearly doesn't apply, I can't search in languages that should clearly demonstrate notability, and a church of this importance elsewhere would be clearly notable. SportingFlyer T· C 09:53, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
- Comment The Sindhi article
sd:درگاهه الله آباد شريف (Dargah Allahabad Sharif) seems to be about the same complex.
TSventon (
talk) 09:00, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
- Great find, TSventon! This is very helpful, as I was able to find Encyclopedia Sindhiana article with the help of the Sindhi Wikipedia article. Apparently, Allahabad Sharif is the common title, and this article was created under an incorrect title. I also found a page ur:درگاہ اللہ آباد on the Urdu Wikipedia. I'm withdrawing this nomination. BookishReader ( talk) 12:23, 16 June 2023 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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The result was keep and the nomination was withdrawn. I leave the rename/move to interested editors. Star Mississippi 13:11, 16 June 2023 (UTC)
Grand Mosque Allahabad
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Lacks coverage in reliable sources. This article is based on Wikipedia:Original research. BookishReader ( talk) 00:54, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Islam and Pakistan. Hey man im josh ( talk) 01:00, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
- Keep. You have got to be kidding me. It is not a made-up false thing (see photo at right, and see Commons category:Grand Mosque Allahabad). The article states it has 101 domes and capacity for 10,000 worshippers. It was under construction in 2018. Surely there is coverage of its construction, though perhaps not found by Google searching "Grand Mosque Allahabad", which is obviously not in Urdu and is perhaps not even its common name in English. Search "masjid Sindh" and other variations of placenames and "mosque". Here is one academic-type paper about it: Grand_Mosque_Allahabad_Kandyaro_5_april_1_corrected. There is a news report in OpIndia (a blacklisted site so my edit including the URL won't save) about a pretty horrible crime caught by CCTV (I believe in this mosque) "Pakistan: Maulvi rapes child reading Quran in mosque in Sindh province, caught on CCTV". User:BookishReader, your not liking the sources means you could tag the article, but opening an AFD is not called for without performing a decent wp:BEFORE effort. Given pretty obvious significance, if you haven't found significant coverage, you haven't searched enough. wp:AFDISNOTFORCLEANUP. Perhaps this AFD should be cut short and closed as "Speedy Keep". --Doncram ( talk, contribs) 03:13, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
- KEEP Certainly gives the impression that this Deletion Nominator is going after the entire category of MOSQUES in Pakistan this time? Other Wikipedia editors have objected to him 'flooding the AfD Forum with a flurry of nominations'. See their comments above here at
St. Patrick's Institute of Science & Technology about this. I also ask the same question
WP:AFDISNOTFORCLEANUP. Let's pay attention to Wikipedia guidelines, please...
Ngrewal1 (
talk) 06:14, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
- You have to stop casting aspersions against me. This is already enough. Please strike this statement "Certainly gives the impression that this Deletion Nominator is going after the entire category of MOSQUES in Pakistan this time?" immediately. I know what it takes to create articles and I have started many articles about mosques: Ali Muhammad Khan Mosque, Akhund Panju Baba Mosque, Sawi Mosque. BookishReader ( talk) 11:49, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 04:59, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
- Comment The usage of Allahabad in the name limits my searches due to location from where I am accessing the internet.
Allahabad is a place in India and this Grand Mosque Allahabad in is Pakistan. My search in English did not bring anything helpful and Urdu searches come mostly about mosques in
Allahabad. I am not sure about the reliability of the paper available on academia because that's a social media site. Best, ─
The Aafī
(talk) 10:45, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
- Exactly. Doncram's both sources are unreliable. The article (OpIndia) they're referring to must be about a mosque in Allahabad, India. Academia.edu is just a file uploaded by the mosque itself (brochure like) - it is not an academic journal article. BookishReader ( talk) 20:57, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: to clarify whether sourcing is about the correct building or not.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Star Mississippi 02:32, 3 June 2023 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Final relist.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 05:28, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
- BookishReader's claim that I confused India with Pakistan is reckless and false. The Opindia article refers to Sindh province, which is in Pakistan, in its title. I !voted "Keep". --Doncram ( talk, contribs) 05:50, 14 June 2023 (UTC)
- Keep It's honestly really difficult to find information on this, in English, in a way that clearly passes GNG. I've performed several different searches with several different spellings. It's clearly verified, though, it's clearly mentioned in news reports to the point where WP:OR clearly doesn't apply, I can't search in languages that should clearly demonstrate notability, and a church of this importance elsewhere would be clearly notable. SportingFlyer T· C 09:53, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
- Comment The Sindhi article
sd:درگاهه الله آباد شريف (Dargah Allahabad Sharif) seems to be about the same complex.
TSventon (
talk) 09:00, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
- Great find, TSventon! This is very helpful, as I was able to find Encyclopedia Sindhiana article with the help of the Sindhi Wikipedia article. Apparently, Allahabad Sharif is the common title, and this article was created under an incorrect title. I also found a page ur:درگاہ اللہ آباد on the Urdu Wikipedia. I'm withdrawing this nomination. BookishReader ( talk) 12:23, 16 June 2023 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.