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The result was redirect to Ebirah, Horror of the Deep. (non-admin closure) The Herald (Benison) ( talk) 22:13, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
Ebirah
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A minor Kaiju from Godzilla. I can't seem to find much on it, barring two book sources I stumbled on (One of which is already cited in the article.) While these are solid, there just isn't much more than that, and thus I don't see enough justifying a split here. I'd personally recommend a redirect to Ebirah, Horror of the Deep, its debut film, given that seems to be its biggest role. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 ( talk) 20:58, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Fictional elements, Science fiction and fantasy, Film, and Japan. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 ( talk) 20:58, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
- Strong Keep - Several other languages have a separate page for Ebirah, most notably Japaneses, which has a lengthy page with numerous citations. Moreover, a Google book search turns up numerous references to Eibrah in credible sources, including additional information that is not currently found in our article. Ebirah has also appeared in other comic books and media beyond what is listed in our article. Eibrah is having a bit of a moment of late, and if anything is only going to appear even more often going forward. I think rather than deleting this article should actually be updated and expanded --
Ash-Gaar (
talk) 22:42, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
- Just because an article has versions in alternate languages does not mean that it is inherently notable. A recent merge, Charmander, was in more than thirty languages and yet had a unanimous merge consensus. All bar the Japanese article as well are in similar if not worse states than ours. It has some decent dev info in the Japanese article that is certainly better than ours, but I don't think it's enough to justify the article either way given both a complete lack of Reception and the fact the development was not so incredibly well documented that it justifies a separate article on its own, though I am willing to debate that point. In any case, numerous appearances and numerous hits do not contribute to notability either. Most of the book hits I saw were just mentions of the Ebirah movie and associated plot recaps. There's very little in the way of actual commentary on Ebirah in most of those sources. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 ( talk) 03:04, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Re-direct to Ebirah, Horror of the Deep. As the article stands, its strictly in-universe content with no real world reference. It can show up a billion times on several google hits mean nothing as the character needs real world relevance outside of the Godzilla series. The characters appearance outside of the film seems to be limited to just showing up in video games, other films, comics etc. Without context, all this can be covered in a paragraph within the film article in a Legacy or influence section after. Andrzejbanas ( talk) 14:20, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to Ebirah, Horror of the Deep, the first film the kaiju appeared in, and the only one in which it had a significant role. Much like in the similar AFD for Manda, simply citing the number of references in the Japanese article is not sufficient when actually looking in-depth at those sources show them to be comprised of a number of official Toho publications, the same book being cited as different sources multiple times, and even a piece or two of fiction. Additionally, the sources are not really being used to support any claim of notability for the creature, but simply providing verification for the plot and production details for the movies that it appeared in. Searching for English sources turns up much of the same kind of sources - reviews, plot summaries, and production details for the films, but nothing showing that Ebirah could be considered notable on its own merits, and not simply covered as part of the articles for the handful of films it appeared in. Rorshacma ( talk) 18:20, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to Ebirah, Horror of the Deep, largely unsourced original research page. Even if it is notable, it would require a full rewrite. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ ( ᴛ) 21:35, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to Ebirah, Horror of the Deep per above. There are no in-depth coverage except usual reviews and plot summary listings. Bhivuti45 ( talk) 11:05, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was redirect to Ebirah, Horror of the Deep. (non-admin closure) The Herald (Benison) ( talk) 22:13, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
Ebirah
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- Ebirah ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log | edits since nomination)
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A minor Kaiju from Godzilla. I can't seem to find much on it, barring two book sources I stumbled on (One of which is already cited in the article.) While these are solid, there just isn't much more than that, and thus I don't see enough justifying a split here. I'd personally recommend a redirect to Ebirah, Horror of the Deep, its debut film, given that seems to be its biggest role. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 ( talk) 20:58, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Fictional elements, Science fiction and fantasy, Film, and Japan. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 ( talk) 20:58, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
- Strong Keep - Several other languages have a separate page for Ebirah, most notably Japaneses, which has a lengthy page with numerous citations. Moreover, a Google book search turns up numerous references to Eibrah in credible sources, including additional information that is not currently found in our article. Ebirah has also appeared in other comic books and media beyond what is listed in our article. Eibrah is having a bit of a moment of late, and if anything is only going to appear even more often going forward. I think rather than deleting this article should actually be updated and expanded --
Ash-Gaar (
talk) 22:42, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
- Just because an article has versions in alternate languages does not mean that it is inherently notable. A recent merge, Charmander, was in more than thirty languages and yet had a unanimous merge consensus. All bar the Japanese article as well are in similar if not worse states than ours. It has some decent dev info in the Japanese article that is certainly better than ours, but I don't think it's enough to justify the article either way given both a complete lack of Reception and the fact the development was not so incredibly well documented that it justifies a separate article on its own, though I am willing to debate that point. In any case, numerous appearances and numerous hits do not contribute to notability either. Most of the book hits I saw were just mentions of the Ebirah movie and associated plot recaps. There's very little in the way of actual commentary on Ebirah in most of those sources. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 ( talk) 03:04, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Re-direct to Ebirah, Horror of the Deep. As the article stands, its strictly in-universe content with no real world reference. It can show up a billion times on several google hits mean nothing as the character needs real world relevance outside of the Godzilla series. The characters appearance outside of the film seems to be limited to just showing up in video games, other films, comics etc. Without context, all this can be covered in a paragraph within the film article in a Legacy or influence section after. Andrzejbanas ( talk) 14:20, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to Ebirah, Horror of the Deep, the first film the kaiju appeared in, and the only one in which it had a significant role. Much like in the similar AFD for Manda, simply citing the number of references in the Japanese article is not sufficient when actually looking in-depth at those sources show them to be comprised of a number of official Toho publications, the same book being cited as different sources multiple times, and even a piece or two of fiction. Additionally, the sources are not really being used to support any claim of notability for the creature, but simply providing verification for the plot and production details for the movies that it appeared in. Searching for English sources turns up much of the same kind of sources - reviews, plot summaries, and production details for the films, but nothing showing that Ebirah could be considered notable on its own merits, and not simply covered as part of the articles for the handful of films it appeared in. Rorshacma ( talk) 18:20, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to Ebirah, Horror of the Deep, largely unsourced original research page. Even if it is notable, it would require a full rewrite. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ ( ᴛ) 21:35, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to Ebirah, Horror of the Deep per above. There are no in-depth coverage except usual reviews and plot summary listings. Bhivuti45 ( talk) 11:05, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.