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The result was delete. Liz Read! Talk! 21:45, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
Drumheller, Washington
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Declined PROD. This location is non-notable and I can find no evidence it was ever a "town"; the existence of a post office for three years and the appearance of a dot with the name "Drumheller" on a 1963 plat map do not establish notability. Reference 3 (Meany) does use the word "town", but other recent AfD's have shown that source played fast and loose with its research. GNIS is not notability, and a rural schoolhouse with a co-located rural post office is not a "town". Satellite view of coordinates shows a single farm. WP:GEOLAND is clearly failed. WeirdNAnnoyed ( talk) 15:21, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
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Delete Here are some possible sources that Meany may have gotten his information from. So, I don't think it's his fault, beyond his obvious plagiarism. https://www.newspapers.com/article/spokane-chronicle-placenames1918apr26/129354957/ https://www.google.com/books/edition/Washington_Historical_Quarterly/pNC42qbpD20C?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22sam+drumheller%22+washington&pg=PA117&printsec=frontcover . I couldn't find anything, until I looked at Sam Drumheller himself. He did in fact found a town named after himself in Alberta, Canada. He was famous at the time because of his Coal Magnate status. Drumheller was the name of a grange district in Franklin county, that was also probably named for him, since he had spent time farming in the area. I believe one of the earlier sources may have become confused, perhaps because of the post office named for the grange district. Regardless there is only one source that says Drumheller was town and two sources that just plagiarized that that source. I think that 1918 source was wrong, and this place didn't exist. Just to cover my bases, the existence of post offices is not proof because they were not always located in towns. James.folsom ( talk) 21:18, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
Comment I overlooked the fact that the 1918 washington historical quarterly states as a source for this as "Peter Klundt, Names MSS, letter 27" and also that Meany was involved with this too. I can't figure out what this orginal source was exactly, but Peter Klundt was a postmaster in Franklin county Washington and from what I have seen, Names MSS seems to be some kind of collection of letters from postmasters. Regardless I think some wires got crossed somewhere, because if the place existed there would be more evidence than these inbred sources. James.folsom ( talk) 21:42, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. The sources in the article are in sufficient to demonstrate that this was ever a town or populated place within the meaning of WP:GEOLAND and neither I nor James.folsom, who is quite good at finding such things, could locate any such sources in our searches. Eluchil404 ( talk) 01:23, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Liz Read! Talk! 21:45, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
Drumheller, Washington
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Declined PROD. This location is non-notable and I can find no evidence it was ever a "town"; the existence of a post office for three years and the appearance of a dot with the name "Drumheller" on a 1963 plat map do not establish notability. Reference 3 (Meany) does use the word "town", but other recent AfD's have shown that source played fast and loose with its research. GNIS is not notability, and a rural schoolhouse with a co-located rural post office is not a "town". Satellite view of coordinates shows a single farm. WP:GEOLAND is clearly failed. WeirdNAnnoyed ( talk) 15:21, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
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Delete Here are some possible sources that Meany may have gotten his information from. So, I don't think it's his fault, beyond his obvious plagiarism. https://www.newspapers.com/article/spokane-chronicle-placenames1918apr26/129354957/ https://www.google.com/books/edition/Washington_Historical_Quarterly/pNC42qbpD20C?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22sam+drumheller%22+washington&pg=PA117&printsec=frontcover . I couldn't find anything, until I looked at Sam Drumheller himself. He did in fact found a town named after himself in Alberta, Canada. He was famous at the time because of his Coal Magnate status. Drumheller was the name of a grange district in Franklin county, that was also probably named for him, since he had spent time farming in the area. I believe one of the earlier sources may have become confused, perhaps because of the post office named for the grange district. Regardless there is only one source that says Drumheller was town and two sources that just plagiarized that that source. I think that 1918 source was wrong, and this place didn't exist. Just to cover my bases, the existence of post offices is not proof because they were not always located in towns. James.folsom ( talk) 21:18, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
Comment I overlooked the fact that the 1918 washington historical quarterly states as a source for this as "Peter Klundt, Names MSS, letter 27" and also that Meany was involved with this too. I can't figure out what this orginal source was exactly, but Peter Klundt was a postmaster in Franklin county Washington and from what I have seen, Names MSS seems to be some kind of collection of letters from postmasters. Regardless I think some wires got crossed somewhere, because if the place existed there would be more evidence than these inbred sources. James.folsom ( talk) 21:42, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. The sources in the article are in sufficient to demonstrate that this was ever a town or populated place within the meaning of WP:GEOLAND and neither I nor James.folsom, who is quite good at finding such things, could locate any such sources in our searches. Eluchil404 ( talk) 01:23, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
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