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The result was Withdrawn — Rhododendrites talk \\ 23:33, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
Deborah Winters
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See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Warren Chaney for the complexities of this walled garden. This biography was written by the same sock puppets, with all the same problems as the Chaney article (and the others). I had gone through the article to remove the poor sources and try to see what was underneath and found insufficient evidence of notability, which when considering all of the other issues associated with these articles (again, see the Chaney AfD), led me to PROD it. It wasn't deleted after 7 days, and on the 8th was deprodded by an IP requesting discussion based on a role in Kotch. To be clear, unlike some of the other articles there is evidence Winters exists and that she has been in some films -- there are a few brief mentions on e.g. rogerebert.com, but not enough to pass WP:GNG. It seems worth emphasizing that a symptom of all of these articles is that they rely on big claims and tons of credits that exist almost exclusively in primary and user-generated sources. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 15:39, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 15:39, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
- More information also at the other AfDs (linked above): — Rhododendrites talk \\ 15:47, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
- Keep as she was Walter Matthau's co-star in a film that received several Academy Award noms. I was predisposed to let the Prod complete because of all the other problematic pages in the Chaneyverse, but I just looked at Kotch on YouTube and there sits Deborah Winters in the first scene. She is notable. As long as the article is kept trim and devoid of problematic cites, we're good here. Stevie is the man! Talk • Work 16:51, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
- Keep she was also in Winds of War (and not a small part either). Now, we ought to scrutinize the hell out of this article and keep it on our watch lists, but I think she is probably notable. (I'm actually doing my annual WOW watch trough right now.....) Dbrodbeck ( talk) 22:23, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
- Comment - Fair enough. It looks like there's a case for WP:NACTOR and perhaps the issues are not as pervasive as they are with Chaney such that in this case it doesn't merit WP:TNT (especially considering it's pretty stripped down now). I'll just go ahead and withdraw this one. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 23:33, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was Withdrawn — Rhododendrites talk \\ 23:33, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
Deborah Winters
- Deborah Winters ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Warren Chaney for the complexities of this walled garden. This biography was written by the same sock puppets, with all the same problems as the Chaney article (and the others). I had gone through the article to remove the poor sources and try to see what was underneath and found insufficient evidence of notability, which when considering all of the other issues associated with these articles (again, see the Chaney AfD), led me to PROD it. It wasn't deleted after 7 days, and on the 8th was deprodded by an IP requesting discussion based on a role in Kotch. To be clear, unlike some of the other articles there is evidence Winters exists and that she has been in some films -- there are a few brief mentions on e.g. rogerebert.com, but not enough to pass WP:GNG. It seems worth emphasizing that a symptom of all of these articles is that they rely on big claims and tons of credits that exist almost exclusively in primary and user-generated sources. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 15:39, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 15:39, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
- More information also at the other AfDs (linked above): — Rhododendrites talk \\ 15:47, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
- Keep as she was Walter Matthau's co-star in a film that received several Academy Award noms. I was predisposed to let the Prod complete because of all the other problematic pages in the Chaneyverse, but I just looked at Kotch on YouTube and there sits Deborah Winters in the first scene. She is notable. As long as the article is kept trim and devoid of problematic cites, we're good here. Stevie is the man! Talk • Work 16:51, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
- Keep she was also in Winds of War (and not a small part either). Now, we ought to scrutinize the hell out of this article and keep it on our watch lists, but I think she is probably notable. (I'm actually doing my annual WOW watch trough right now.....) Dbrodbeck ( talk) 22:23, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
- Comment - Fair enough. It looks like there's a case for WP:NACTOR and perhaps the issues are not as pervasive as they are with Chaney such that in this case it doesn't merit WP:TNT (especially considering it's pretty stripped down now). I'll just go ahead and withdraw this one. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 23:33, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
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