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The result was Delete. I've skimmed the wall of text below, while it touches on everything from Chinese work permits to Israeli police procedures very little of it has any relevance at all to the question of whether Wikipedia can have an article about this person. However nested in between this is a pretty clear consensus for deletion and I will salt it given the number of creations. Hut 8.5 21:32, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
Daniel Hasidim
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Article about a non-notable "academic", who is dean of a business school at Los Angeles University, which is a degree mill. Already deleted twice via AfD, but speedy was declined because this recreation is apparently not substantially identical to the last one. Cordless Larry ( talk) 05:55, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
- Note that the same editor has created Draft:Los Angeles University and Draft:The Zionist Billionaires Forum. Cordless Larry ( talk) 06:15, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
- Delete and Salt per nom and prior AfDs. - GretLomborg ( talk) 06:24, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
Hasidim is no longer under the category of academics.
He is in the category of Jewish activists.
There is no issue of copyrights becuase the Zionist Billionaires Website is no longer exist in its present form. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dani1587 ( talk • contribs) 00:13, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
After the page was taken down about 15 months, here his page appears again, and this time with some 'citations'.
However, those citations are not credible, and once again there is an attempt to use our amazing platform for getting legitimacy to harm innocent people, who do regard Wikipedia as an ultimate source of knowledge - and to some extent in my opinion rightly so.
1) His Full name is Dror Daniel Hasidim. He addopted his middle name as his first name as to not be related to articles where his scams are written about. He imposed as a PhD doctorate from Columbia university who is the representative of Florida and Columbia State universities. For a sum of about 6,000$ he sold degrees to people, mainly public workers, who them claimed a raise in their salary (in Israel, as in some other countries, public sector workers are eligible for a salary raise if they get higher education).
He was not the represenatative of there universities. He just printed the degrees in a printhouse. Judging from his mediocre verbal and very poor written English - there is no doubt he did not complete a doctorate from Columbia University.
Here are links to articles - the first two are from known newspapers, the third is from a small niche site : https://www.haaretz.co.il/misc/1.1077008 http://www.themarker.com/law/1.502808 http://www.nfc.co.il/archive/001-D-92151-00.html?tag=9-20-35
I have the court ruling against one public sector worker who was sued for using the fake degree he purchased to obtain a raise in his salary. There the judge clearly states it was obtained by Hasidim, who did impersonate himself as a business PhD and the represenatator of Florida and Columbia State universities. It is a PDF file. If you regard it as relevant, please let me know where to email it to.
Although the file and the three links are in Hebrew, there are some fellow Hebrew speaking editors who will be able to tell us what's written.
2) He was born in 1968, not 1970. I think if you have access to his deleted profile from about 18 months ago, you will see his year of birth was claimed to be 1972.
We will now tackle the citations/references. There are the numbers of the citation as for the time when this email was written, around midday GMT on Saturday the 15th of July. As he recently often updates his profile, this numbers may get mixed.
Reference 1:
The Zionist Billionaires Forum - a non-existent body. Just uses it to give the impression he is in close relationship with billionaires and top politicians.
Reference 2:
The source of reference is to a sham 'university' where he is the 'Dean' of the business school. This univesity does not exist. Just an online sham, where he wrote about himself that he holds a doctorate degree, which is the source of reference 'confirming' its validity.
Reference 3:
An article by a pretty much unknown (and perhaps somewhat naive) freelance writer, whose article in question appears in a website that ranks 4,480,247 in Alexa.
Reference 4:
This is video was uploaded by his brother in law, Sachi Carmeli. Those teenagers look more like afternoon extra class schooling than actual MBA candidates. There is nothing in this video that proofs are even gives a serious impression that this is a lecture of a MBA class.
Reference 5:
Luckily for us (and unluckily for Hasidim), there are quite a few Ukrainian speakers outside of Ukraine.
The link does not mention that he is a lecturer there, but just that he is the advisor of some person who head the American chapter for promoting the international reach of the university.
It is supposed he used his 'position' as the Dean of the non existent Los Angeles University. This is probably part of his plan to get legitimacy by Wikipedia.
Reference 6:
The book he claim to have written is 'Raising Children in the Jewish Way' is in fact a what appears to be a very simple copyright infringement of the book 'Raising Your Jewish/Christian Child' by Lee F. Gruzen. If you will follow the citation he used, you can download 'his' book. You will see very clearly in the pdf file that he made a page with his own name and title, and then just one by one scanned pages of the book, which are identical to the original book.
https://www.amazon.com/Raising-Your-Jewish-Christian-Child/dp/1557044147
References 7 and 8:
Regarding the other two 'books', seem like an amateurish copy/paste which is more the size of an article rather than a book. I am sure he cannot provide an ISBN number.
Reference 9:
There is a similar type of plaigiarism as in Reference 6, but this time from the Israeli author Yael Tal. If you will download 'his' book from the link he provides, you see the page title (probably the 2nd or 3rd inner page of the book) which just the book's title written on it, used as the front page, and his name handwritten.
Here is the link to the original book to purchase.
http://www.booknet.co.il/prodtxt.asp?id=36700#.WWnhBYTyuUk
Reference 10:
Israel-Far East Chamber of Commerce - a non-existent body. The ridiculous 9 years old 1 minute 20 seconds youtube video from a small local town Chinese tv channel is not a source that confirms that whatsoever. It talks about the Israeli city of Ramla.
Reference 11:
This 9 years old youtube video just mentions about he delegation of the Israeli city of Ramla he was a part of.
References 12 and 21:
The video does not mentioned Hasidim nor anything similar to his claim of 'leading delegations of high-tech companies and agricultural companies from Israel to various places in China'.
Just the text above mentions it, while mentioning that he is the director of the (non-existent) Zionist Billionaires Forum. In addition, this website is the one where the plagiarised books appear, which is another indication of how amateur and not reliable this non-Alexa ranked website is.
References 13 and 22:
Written by his friend Daniel Galily, who, in the link the the sham 'Los Angeles University' appears as 'Associate Professor' and 'Dean of student affairs'. This guy is only 30. The website he wrote in is not known in Israel and very low ranked.
Here is a link by the notorious Haaretz daily which writes about Galily being a 'docotrate' who bought his degree from a non existent university in Hawaii.
https://www.haaretz.co.il/blogs/taliherutisover/1.2799661
References 14 and 15:
Does not mentioned he was an advisor to any of Israel's Prime Ministers. The two Chinese articles, whose sources cannot be confirmed by the scan, do not mention that. They just mention that he holds a position in the city of Ramla. Please note that Suqian is a tiny pretty much unknown perfecture in China, with about 4 million people. This is very small in Chinese standrads for a city, not to mention for a perfecture.
Reference 16:
This is an article he wrote on the same platform as mentioned in references 13 and 22. Small not reliable website, which probably was arranged for him to write by his friend who is also, as mentioned, a holder of a fake degree.
References 17 and 18 and 20:
There is nothing which indicates that this scanned paper is from the Maariv newspaper.
Can be easily a self created page. My 14 years old daughter can do that.
Reference 18 at some place mentioned a prediciotn for 2005, which means that this article is over 12 years old.
Reference 19: Derbi News does not exist and was during its short existence just a local newspaper with very poor circulation, hence its quick demise. It is from 1998, which is contrary to the claim it references "Since the early 2000s he has written articles in the Israeli press..."
Some of the claims above are on their own merrit sufficient to delete this profile and ban it from ever being established again. What this con-artist will do is simply once again attempt to circumvent Wikipedia's restrictions. His malicious intent is very clear. Wikipedia shall not be a platform for conmen to gain legitimacy! Weknowall1968 ( talk) 12:16, 15 July 2017 (UTC)
My friend, you make a common mistake. This is not him but his cousin that have the same name.
See: Http://www.news1.co.il/showTalkBack.aspx?docId=92151&subjectId=1&talkBackId=1097014
His cousin was arrested in 2001 and the arrest received wide media attention, but he was not indicted because after examining all the evidence, the prosecution and the police decided to release him.
See: Http://www.tapuz.co.il/forums/viewmsg/434/113646160/%D7%97%D7%95%D7%A7_%D7%95%D7%9E%D7%A9%D7%A4%D7 98% D7% 9% D7% A9% D7% D7% 98% D7% 99% D7% D7% 99% D7% A7% D7% 98% D7% A8% D7% A7% 98% D7% 95% D7% 94% D7% 94% D7% 99% D7% 99-% D7% 98% D7% A7
But I think you're right that it is necessary to add a special paragraph about the incident.
The Zionist billionaires' forum is an existing body. He just restarted his website, that is why you did not find it. I can assure you that he would not have written newspaper articles about him if he did not have an official website.
Hasidim succeeded in establishing this forum due to his family closeness to Israeli billionaire Nissan Khachuri.
See: Http://www.professorhasidim.com/nissan-chakshori-linkedin-recommendations/
The body has a tremendous impact, and if I leave you to talk with the people who work with them you will find that they are not interested in advertising and certainly not in a Wikipedia page.
The University of Los Angeles is an institution established by Chinese Professor Yan Wei (President). The institution was established two years ago and is currently in the process of accreditation by the US Department of Education. But because he was not fully accredited, I did not mention him.
According to the law in the US an academic institution must go a test period for two years before he get full accreditation.
You are right about the page of the Ukrainian institution and it will be amended accordingly.
Daniel Hasidim knew how to write the book about the tips for a better life because, he claims, that during his time as head of the EMBA program in Peking, he spent a lot of time with ancient Chinese Jewish tribes in China who taught him various methods of improving the quality of life.
See: Https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aU2ZRMbQhKs — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dani1587 ( talk • contribs) 15:09, 15 July 2017 (UTC)
The website of the Israel chamber of commerce in China http://www.ischam.org/
His position in Ramla is mention in source 19.
J-TV is not a small media chennel. He appear on lists of Jewish publications of Jewish communities worldwide.
See: http://www.haruth.com/WWJewishPubs.html
I agreed with your comment on "Derbi News" and so I deleted the source
All the journalistic sources of this value are of newspapers with a circulation of millions of viewers and subscribers. Everything that they upload is reviewed by editors. I do not agree with the claim that the sources are unreliable.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Dani1587 ( talk • contribs) 17:53, 15 July 2017 (UTC)
Sir,
First of all, the cousin story sounds very unreliable. You did not provide any proof.
You ignore many of the points raised earlier. And the ones you refer to actually make matters worse and further indicate that this profile must be deleted as soon as possible:
Your first link is just a talkback. In other words, a reply of a person to the article. This is nor evidence nor a source. It can be written by anyone, including yourself or your friend. Please do not take the Wikipedia community for fools.
The second link is a bad URL. There is no website behind it. Again, are you taking us for fools?
Regarding your claim: "The Zionist billionaires' forum is an existing body. He just restarted his website, that is why you did not find it. I can assure you that he would not have written newspaper articles about him if he did not have an official website." You came up with this forum's story also last time. Nothing new, only this time you try to circumvent Wikipedia's guidelines. The person who wrote the article (in a pretty much unknown website in Israel) is himself, as mentioned earlier a person who is alleged to have purchased his degree. One dubious character writing about a scammer. Nothing more than that.
The 'endorsement' from Nissan Khachuri comes from your own website, which you probably wrote yourself. On the same token you can also write an endorsement from Barak Obama or Santa Klaus. Once again, you regard us as fools.
So you admit that the Los Angeles Univeristy' is not yet recognized, yet you deceitfully use it as a reference.
On the Facebook page of the 'university', on the 25th of February, the following is written: "LOS ANGELES UNIVERSITY WAS CHOSEN ONE OF THE 100 OPEN UNIVERSITIES IN THE WORLD" This totally contradict your excuses and clearly shows that you regard this made up institution as a university for at least 5 months already.
Did those 'ancient Chinese Jewish tribes' also teach you how to plagiarize books? Would you be kind enough to tell us where exactly they are located?
Regarding the youtube video of you talking, will get it translated just out of curiosity, but on the look of it – seem nothing much than you talking from your home or hotel somewhere. Can be done by anyone anywhere.
Thank you for the link of IsCham, but what relevance does it have to your Wikipedia profile? You are obviously not mentioned there, nor the organization you made up – 'Israel-Far East Chamber of Commerce'. Sorry to repeat it, but don't regard us as fools please.
But again, you are taking us for fools, as J-TV does not appear on the link you sent, which anyhow does not change the fact it is not even a ranked website.
Another lie is that Daniel Hasidim is regarding himself as a billionaire: "The Billionaires who agreed to be Forum members are: Daniel Hasidim…"
Dear Wikipedia community – it is now very clear that we are dealing with an immoral individual who is using our platform to perpetrate shams and in addition is regarding us all as fools. This profile shall be both deleted and never be permitted to be re-created. Weknowall1968 ( talk) 21:55, 15 July 2017 (UTC)
Excuse me sir, I'm not Daniel Hassidim. I do not refer to Wikipedia as stupid and I would appreciate, with all due respect, if you would not use such expressions and maintain a mature and serious discussion, please.
First, you probably do not know the labor laws in China.
To obtain a work permit in China, it is necessary to present a certificate of "no criminal record". If the police arrested the object of the article, there is no chance in the world that he would work in China, as you saw in the other sources.
In addition, you can find mention of the metter in this source: http://www.news1.co.il/Archive/003-D-116641-00.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dani1587 ( talk • contribs) 23:36, 15 July 2017 (UTC)
Second, I said that the university is in the process of being recognized. But I'm willing to accept the argument that the source should be removed.
Third, after your comments on the Israel-Far East Chamber of Commerce, I decided to change the caption accordingly. That's why it is not found.
Fourth, J-TV: The Global Jewish Channel is a very broad Jewish channel
See: Https://www.facebook.com/JTVTheGlobalJewishChannel/
Fifth, you're right about the list of billionaires. Hasidim is a registered member but not one of the billionaires. This will be corrected accordingly.
Sixth, I do not override regulations, I follow them.
The official website of the Zionist Billionaires Forum was added.
Thank you for your comments
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Dani1587 ( talk • contribs) 22:58, 15 July 2017 (UTC)
- Delete This is a promotional biography using dubious sources of an individual who fails WP:ACADEMIC. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 18:57, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
The sources are not dubious! You are welcome to check. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dani1587 ( talk • contribs) 19:20, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
You are either Mr. Hasidim himself or his lackey. It is very obvious from the manner you are battling to maintain this page, even though it is beyond obvious that this is a hoax. Your responses are easily to debunk and you ignore important issues like:
- The articles written from a pretty unknown website by your fellow 'Dean of student affairs' in your fake university – who himself is discovered to have purchased his degree. Looks more like a happy customer and a fellow perpetrator to me. This is regarding references, who are as for the time of writing, are numbered 18 and 26 (Galily) and the link to News1 he shared a few lines above.
- You plagiarize books and present them as your own. Even if you take it down, it merely manifest that you made an attempt which failed. Could you please refer me to where those books can be purchased online?
- The Zionist Billionaires Forum: you put on a website overnight. Probably used some easy to create platform like WP or the like. And who is the main face we directly see on entering the website? The same face from the old amateurish youtube videos – Mr. Hasidim. Looks like a non-existent organization with an instantly made-up website whose main purpose is to promote Mr. Hasidim and give him legitimacy, which will is used to gain the confidence of some innocent victims.
- Regarding the law in China: China and Israel do not have a bilateral extradition agreement. This is probably why Mr. Hasidim went there. Please look at the attached link: http://www.takdin.co.il/searchg/%D7%AA%20%D7%A4%20%D7%AA%D7%9C%20%D7%90%D7%91%D7%99%D7%91%20%D7%99%D7%A4%D7%95%205504%2008%20%D7%9E%D7%93%D7%99%D7%A0%D7%AA%20%D7%99%D7%A9%D7%A8%D7%90%D7%9C%20%D7%A0%20%D7%93%D7%A8%D7%95%D7%A8%20%D7%97%D7%A1%D7%99%D7%93%D7%99%D7%9D%20_hd_2460929.html
I received the following translation of the part relating to accused number 1 – Mr. Hasidim:
"… considering that accused 1, which is claimed by all to be the main criminal, escaped the country".
The labour laws all over the world pretty much require to have no criminal records. However, there is no proof that you were working in China. Perhaps you have just been there on any other type of visa. And who knows for how long… there are so many lies here by you that nothing is reliable anymore.
Claiming to be in China for 8 years… do you speak Chinese?
Seem you have been there as a fugitive rather than anything else. The video of the 'MBA class' looks more like a teenager business English class.
Regarding your following argument: "Third, after your comments on the Israel-Far East Chamber of Commerce, I decided to change the caption accordingly. That's why it is not found." I do not understand what you are trying to say. Can you please explain yourself clearer? Or maybe no need to waste our time here. Like the sham university and many of your shenanigans, this just seem another failed attempt.
- The year of birth is still lied about. He/you was born in 1968.
- You sent a link claiming J-TV appears there. You didn't expect us to check, but we did. When mentioned - you just ignored the claim.
You attempt to rebuff what you think you can get away with, and just ignore other issues.
I invite all fellow editors to read my above raised questions throughout this tread, which are followed by Mr. Hasidim's/ his fellow's replies. You will see the unrelated nor unconvincing arguments on one hand, and on the other you will see him not referring to quite a few of the raised issues.
I do not see a reason why not to delete this sham profile sooner rather than later… Weknowall1968 ( talk) 21:59, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
I repeat that I am not Daniel Hassidim. I'd appreciate it if you will stop calling me that. It's not a matter of admiration, it's a matter of professional honor. To say that I do not upload good values, that I am a fraud, that I am a liar. I certainly did not expect such a reference from Wikipedia editor.
Second, NEWS1 website is a very familiar site with millions of hits. Everything uploaded there is checked by the newspaper's editorial board for reliability and accuracy. They understand that if something is written wrong, then they can be responsible. I want to remind you that you too have brought sources from this site. So you can not say that some articles are okay and other articles are not.
Third, the University of Los Angeles is not a fake university, it is an online university. I do not use it as a source because it is not yet recognized.
If you do not know what an online university is, then I suggest you freshen up with knowledge:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kH-uYwt0qs
Fourthly, if I were to put up a site overnight , how did an article about it appered in NEWS1 a year ago? With a link to the site? Could I have turned back on a time machine and saw the article?
The reason there is no extradition agreement between Israel and China is because there is a law in Israel that says that a person should not be extradited directly to prison, but only for interrogation. The intention is to prevent a person from being extradited and imprisoned without a fair trial.
I repeat the fact - if Hasidim was arrested in Israel, he would not have been able to come to China. If you do not believe me, I invite you to ask someone who has issued a work permit in China.
You can not work without a work permit in China. Check the subject before you argue.
Fifth, Hassidim appears in the broadcast as head of the Israel Chamber of Commerce in China, but he does not appear on their website and therefore I changed it accordingly.
Sixth, the year of his birth is 1970. 68 is the year of birth of his cousin. Please look at the sources.
Seventh, if you do not believe the video was filmed at Peking University, then why do not you check? Why do not you ask someone from this university?
Eighth, I'm sorry but your argument about J-TV is incorrect. Much less common news sites are used as sources in Wikipedia.
Ninth, note that all the sources concerning the books are publications from a body unrelated to the Hasidim. He does not manage there and does not work there (J-TV).
A book does not have to be sold electronically, it can only be sold manually. This is the author's decision.
But I made sure not to bring a source from the subject of the page regarding his books (Wikipedia regulations)
All in all, the page meets the standard of Wikipedia regulations. I'm sorry if you disagree.
I must insist that you do not use hypotheses.
Inquire before you claim claims
I use chinese students. I send them the sources by WeChat
Thank you for your comments. I hope I didn't use too many harsh words.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Dani1587 ( talk • contribs) 01:10, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
- keep - look like a noteble global Jewish activist, founder of the Zionist Billionaires Forum. Ovedc ( talk) 04:32, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
- While notability isn't inherited, Ovedc, this "Zionist Billionaires Forum" doesn't appear to be notable itself. Cordless Larry ( talk) 06:31, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
- Comment: If Hasidim was arrested by the Israeli police on suspicion of selling fictitious degrees (and was subsequently prosecuted), as currently suggested in the article, then the media coverage of that might make him notable as a criminal, but it seems to be disputed (above) whether it was actually him or not. Cordless Larry ( talk) 07:00, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
Well how could one think otherwise? Look how all your claims are debunk so easily.
You upload poor references, which some of them you took down yourself after you realized that they have no standing ground.
You operate on a trial and error mode.
Regarding your claims from the last message (see how I address them one by one, unlike you who does only address what you believe you can get away with) :
Second I did use a reference from News1 and did mention that it is not a widely known source. The fact that anything can be uploaded there implies how articles are (not) filtered there. You fail to refer to the issue that all the articles on this website which write about him are written by his fellow 'Dean' in his fake university. How do you explain that? I mentioned it several times but you fail to refer to it.
Third:
It is obviously a sham university. If you are not Hasidim or his lackey, how are you so sure about it?
Looking at his history with fake degrees and the content of the website, it is a sham.
You are indirectly admitting that you presented an unrecognized academic institution as a recognized one. How do you explain that on the university's Facebook page (which has the picture of Hasidim at its font, and not of the university itself), it is claimed to be.
Like many of the websites you use as reference, it is Hasidim's face that appears there. These are self-promoting pages and nothing more. If it is not a recognized institution, as you admit, how do you explain the following (which you previously failed to address):
On the Facebook page of the 'university', on the 25th of February, the following is written: "LOS ANGELES UNIVERSITY WAS CHOSEN ONE OF THE 100 OPEN UNIVERSITIES IN THE WORLD" How can a university be chosen as something if it is not recognized as something? It is like to say that a dog, which is not yet recognized as a cat, was chosen as one of the 100 cats in the world.
Fourth:
The article appeared on News1 a year ago, because, as mentioned several times, it was written by his fellow 'Dean' of his sham 'university'.
Another proof is, that last year was 2016. Now we are in 2017.
On the website the following is written:
© 2017 Zionist Billionaires Forum | Powered by Beaver Builder
2017! Once again, you take us for fools.
In addition, the 'forum news' section is blank. Yes, it seem like a website that was quickly done overnight.
As it is active in Israel, it must be a registered institution. Can you please provide us with the registration number? Address?
Does Mr. Hasidim speak Chinese? You ignored that point.
Like in Thailand, many foreigners come to China on a tourist visa which get extended and then renewed upon re-entering the country, or a business visa which is valid for much longer. There are some people from my congregation whose children has done it in order to be able to teach English. Those are known tricks.
What evidence do you have that Mr. Hasidim actually remained in China for 8 years? There is no evidence he participated in high-tech delegations – but only one delegation with the city of Ramla, and even that is only based on two youtube videos from a small locality channel.
The third 'evidence', namely reference number 17 leads to a page which does not mention anything about it.
Fifth:
Mr. Hasidim does not appear on any broadcast. You make things up. Please send us a link to such a broadcast. He does not appear on the website (very obvious why) – so why did you use it as a reference? You could as easily put a reference to the website of the FBI and claim he is a secret agent.
Sixth:
I looked at the sources – the ones my contacts have with the Israeli police. There is no Daniel Hasidim who was born in 1970.
There are 3 people who can be some type of Daniel Hasidim, who were born between 1965 and 1975:
1) Dror Daniel Hasidim. Born on 23.02.1968. From Givatayim. 2) Daniel Hasidim. Born on 08.02.1968. From Petah Tikva. 3) Danny Aharon Hasidim. Born on December 1966. From Holon.
Number 3 is seem to be absolutely not relevant. Number 1 is the main suspect of this fake profile. You already lost your credibility here, as there is no Daniel Hasidim who was born in 1970.
The Daniel Hasidim who is presented in this sham profile is the son of Josef and Dalia.
Now, please tell me, what are the names of the parents of the 'cousin'? You seem to know so much about him - I am sure you know his cousin's parents' names. Which one of them is the sibling of which of his parents? How many kids does this cousin have? How many sibling(s) does the cousin have? Name one of them (if there are any).
These questions are just to emphasize the scam even further. It already falls on the grounds that there is no Daniel Hasidim who was born in 1970.
Seventh:
Why don't you prove it is from Peking University, and not some weekend class in an auditorium?
The people there look like kids, not like MBA students. And yes, I know Chinese look young, but not that young.
Was this the only issue, I would have been leaning towards you – but as all you sources are disputed and in a large number a hoax – I don't see a reason why this one is genuine. There is no clear evidence to either side.
Nothing in this video shows this is a MBA class at Peking University.
Eight:
You claim that J-TV is a well-known and respected media channel. Well, why is it that nothing about you appear on their website anymore?
Claiming that less common news sites are used as references on Wikipedia does not necessarily make it correct.
This is why we, the editors, as much as we can, are dealing with cases like Mr. Hasidim's. We clean up as much as we can, and put things into question where it is adequate to do so.
Your most used source, J-TV, 7 references in total – all are empty! All are leading to just a landing page with no relation to anything you write! Shame on you.
Ninth:
Who is the source of publication then? Those books are not downloadable anymore, seem J-TV realized there are severe copyright infringement and took it down.
You say the book is not sold electronically, but it was downloadable for free.
You tremble on your own lies. I kept a copy of the downloads.
Please explain the following sentence. It is not clear what you mean:
" I use chinese students. I send them the sources by WeChat"
You also didn't elaborate about the 'ancient Chinese Jewish tribes'.
Apart from your imagination, where in China are they located?
So many issues you just ignore or poorly excuse.
I hereby request this profile to be deleted and not permitted to be re-created again.
Our Wikipedia must be as clean and reliable as possible, and not act as a platform for con-artists to gain legitimacy.
This profile was deleted twice, and now is trying to circumvent the existing restrictions that got this page deleted in the past.
Please read the questions and doubts I posted throughout this exchange. Read the replies, and then my counter replies and evidence – or lack of evidence by Mr.Hasidim/his helper. Weknowall1968 ( talk) 11:24, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
Reply:
First off, you did use an article from NEWS1: Http://www.nfc.co.il/archive/001-D-92151-00.html?tag=9-20-35
Second, I'm sure the information is what it says in the sources, like every other page on Wikipedia (With far fewer sources):
For example: /info/en/?search=World_Zionist_Organization
Third, it's not a dummy university. I understand the confusion. In the United States open universities are built in the form of online universities.
Fourth, the sources are not self-image. I was deliberately careful not to put sources originated by the subject himself so that the value would comply with the procedures of Wikipedia.
Fifth, I do not know the names of the parents of whom you're talking about. If I talk to him, it creates a problem of conflict of interest.
Sixth , if a person does not appear in the records of the Israel Police, it means that he has never been interrogated by the police and has had any contact with the police - which proves my claims.
Seventh, it is not listed on the university's website that is active in Israel. Registered as an American institution.
Eighth , I can send the Peking University video to students studying there through WeChat and ask them.
Ninth, I know what years he was in China, because he had an interview with Ma'ariv a year ago. If I can not find this interview, I will correct accordingly.
Tenth, you're right about page 17, it could have been my mistake. I will check the matter.
As to whether Hasidim speak Chinese? According to Source 16 you can hear him speaking Chinese with the interviewer. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dani1587 ( talk • contribs) 13:34, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
You make so much effort with keeping this page existing and ignore so many of my good arguments – I can only assume that you are Mr. Hasidim himself or the least someone very close to him. In my opinion, all articles from News1 should be taken down, especially those written by your friend - Galily.
Regarding the sources:
It is not about the quantity, but about the quality.
In your case both are lacking.
Reading through our discussion, one can see the quality of your sources are low.
Now let's break down the quantity – out of the 26 references:
- 7 are landing pages with no relations to you from J-TV.
- 6 are articles of you being a fraudster.
These are already half of the references.
- 3 are pretty much unrelated youtube videos.
- 2 are articles written by your friend, Daniel Galily – who appear to be part of your fraud scheme.
- 2 are scans of very short articles in Chinese who discuss some co-operation with the city of Ramla.
And guess what, your bad luck is that I have sharp eyes: What is written in the scan from what is currently reference 13 above is 'Hasidim Dror'.
Here is our proof that you are Dror Daniel Hasidim.
Let's remind ourselves what the Israeli police database shows:
Dror Daniel Hasidim. Born on 23.02.1968. From Givatayim.
- 3 scanned articles from an unknown origin (you claim Maariv – but no proof for that).
- 1 is an article written by yourself.
You yourself admitted that the 'university' is not yet recognized. You keep on contradicting yourself.
Why if you talk with him it creates a problem of conflict of interest? Please explain the logic behind this claim.
If you don't talk to him – how come you are so sure it is his 'cousin'? Where is the proof for that?
From now any any person who did something bad can blame a cousin with an identical name or an identical twin brother?
Is this the Wikipedia "the dog ate my homework" excuse?
You seem to be very confident about your knowledge of Mr. Hasidim/yourself for someone who claims not to contact him to avoid 'conflict of interest'.
In addition, you say you can send videos to students. Isn't it a slip that exposes that the writer is Mr. Hasidim himself? As you don’t talk to him, as you claim, how come you know who his students are/were?
Again, you regard us as fools.
How did you get hold of the scanned Chinese and Hebrew papers you posted?
I see no other option than the fact that you are Mr. Hasidim, or the least a person to close him.
The records from the Israeli police are not related to people with a criminal record, but are from a database from all the people in Israel – regardless of whether they have a criminal record or not.
You fail to explain where all the references from J-TV had gone. You use references that lead nowhere.
No references to the books you 'wrote'.
You fail to tell us where the 'ancient Chinese Jewish tribes' are located.
You fail to provide us with details about and existence of the Zionist Billionaires Forum.
The funniest point where you undermine our intelligence is to claim that the part of the video where there is an audio dubbing is actually Hasidim speaking Chinese.
See this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3dyCbQFRcc
Without understanding, one can clearly see this non-Chinese lady actually speaks Chinese.
The sound is natural and the lips are in tandem with the speech.
Please find the interview with Maariv from a year ago. If it is from a year ago, there must be also an online version.
And if you are not related to Mr. Hasidim as you claim to be, why would you potentially have an article about him from a year ago? Unless it is online of course…
Weknowall1968 (
talk) 20:19, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
- All of the links in the references to the J-TV website in the article have gone dead. I've marked them as such. Cordless Larry ( talk) 20:39, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
Reply:
First, all the sources are from newspapers of millions of readers. They meet the conditions of Wikipedia.
Second, according to the sources, "Daniel Dror Hasidim" is the full name of the two men. It is customary for Jewish families from Arab countries to give their children middle names after the grandparents.
Third, the Israel Police database relates only to persons who have had contact with the police. The general database of all Israeli citizens is in the Israeli Ministry of the Interior.
Fourth, the videos are broadcasts of Chinese TV channels and newspapers in China with limited Internet access due to the Chinese government's blocking of Google, Facebook and YouTube.
Fifth, I did not say that the university is not recognized, I said it was in a process of recognition by US laws (test period).
Sixth, if it says in NEWS1 that it is his cousin I have no reason to doubt it because the article was reviewed by the editorial board before it was published.
Seventh, how do you know that the articles are not from Ma'ariv? Did you check the newspaper archives?
Eighth, I said I could ask college students from Peking University if they recognized the hall in the video.
Ninth, in an contact massage that I sent to J-TV, they said that they're checking.
And tenth, I'm looking for the article from Ma'ariv. It was on a weekend volume. Not every article in the newspaper upload online, it's two different systems of the newspaper.
I don't have his home number but I have found his facebook page:
https://www.facebook.com/dchasidim?fref=ts
If you like you can ask him yourself, I cannot for obvious reasons
P.S. Just now, a Peking University student told me by WeChat that the EMBA program is one of the only programs that are taught in English. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dani1587 ( talk • contribs) 03:20, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
Dror Daniel Hasidim is not the full name of two men. How did you come up with that? Where in the sources does it say that?
Not only Jews from Arab countries give their children middle names. Also Ashkenazi Jews do that. My husband is half of each.
Hasidim is from Iranian ancestry (his parents moved to Israel when they were in their teens) – Iran is not an Arab country.
Anyhow, that is not relevant, you are just schmoozing around to divert the conversation.
You fail to prove that there are two Dror Daniel Hasidim who are cousins.
Two cousins with an identical first name and middle name?
It seem you have invented the new "the dog ate my homework" Wikipedia excuse. Weknowall1968 ( talk) 09:46, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
The Israeli police (and most likely the police in most countries) has access to the Ministry of Interior database.
When they stop an individual for a traffic offence, which is unless in extreme cases not a criminal offence, the officer can instantly find his details on the database.
To claim that the police only has the database of people with criminal records is foolish – nice attempt though. Weknowall1968 ( talk) 09:48, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
About the articles from News1:
The articles written about Mr. Hasidim are written by one individual named 'Daniel Galily'
Daniel Galily appears here as a Dean in the fake university.
Very impressive for a 30 year old – wasn't it a sham university.
http://www.los-angeles-university.education/faculty/
What do we have here? One dubious character attempting to whitewash another dubious character.
Here is an article from a real news website – Haaretz – which writes about Galily forging a PhD from a fake university.
https://www.haaretz.co.il/blogs/taliherutisover/1.2799661 Weknowall1968 ( talk) 09:48, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
If a university is in the process of getting recognition (which we know is not true) – then it is still not a recognized university.
Yet, it does present itself as such.
It uses the title 'university', selling degrees and claiming on its Facebook page to be chosen as a university.
Clearly a sham. Weknowall1968 ( talk) 09:48, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
The fact that the websites you mentioned are blocked in China does not change the fact that you misrepresented us a dubbing to be Hasidim speaking Chinese.
Such pathetic attempts only magnify the fact that you are either Mr. Hasidim himself or his lackey, acting upon his guidance.
Where is your proof that the article is from Maariv? You post a source, you are ought to provide proof that it is what you claim it to be.
This auditorium is a very common design which can be found in many universities and high-schools around the world.
There is no any special feature there that can distinct that auditorium.
You trying to convince us by having a few (paid?) Chinese to write to you that this is Peking University auditorium? Weknowall1968 ( talk) 09:50, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
Where are your J-TV 'credentials' you were relying so enthusiastically on? What proof do you have that Mr. Hasidim is the author of those books and that they actually exist?
You keep ignoring my question about the 'ancient Chinese Jewish tribes'. I asked my Rabbi, he has never heard about it. Please let us know where, apart from your imagination, are they located?
There is nothing I want to ask Mr. Hasidim via facebook. I am conversing with him via you (I still suspect you are Mr.Hasidim).
What are those 'obvious reason' that you cannot ask him questions? Please elaborate. Weknowall1968 ( talk) 09:50, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
I invite you to check with the US Department of Education whether this university is in the process of being recognized.
In any case, until then it is not used as a source.
There are ancient Chinese Jewish tribes:
Http://www.nrg.co.il/online/11/ART2/507/263.html
I'm not Mr. Hasidim. If you want, talk to him directly.
I can not ask him because according to Wikipedia's procedures I must not have no contact with the subject of the page.
As for J-TV, they're still checking. They did not got back to me with an answer.
I'll send them another massage today.
The articles in NEWS1, that are written by Mr. Hasidim, are a source of the sentence: "He wrote articles in the Israeli press."
The other articles from NEWS1 were written by different source. The fact that the articles were approved by the editors of the newspaper, does not make them any different then the articles that you brought as a source.
About the videos, do you have a source that can counteract their credibility? If so, present them. If not, then they should be treated as reliable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dani1587 ( talk • contribs) 13:21, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
Sir, the sham university alleged process of being recognized is not relevant.
Someone being in the process of getting an Olympic medal does not make him an Olympic medal holder.
The fact that it is presenting itself as a university and selling degrees already only magnifies the fact that it is a sham. In addition, on its Facebook page it claims to be a university. And what do we see on the profile picture? The campus? The classroom? No! We see Mr. Hasidim's photo.
Although it is not a used source, it was a used source and you claim it is a legitimate institution, while all evidence and logic is pointing to the other direction. Hence, the conclusion is that you are not a reliable source and you are part of the sham. Weknowall1968 ( talk) 19:40, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
Look more towards the middle side of this page:
http://www.los-angeles-university.education/blog/
There we can see a link for the 2014-2015 admission.
"This entry was posted in Los Angeles University News on October 13, 2014 by Debra." "This entry was posted in Los Angeles University Schools on January 1, 2014 by LAU."
So for at least the past 3 years and 7 months you mispresent yourself as a university.
To check with the US department of Education…? I think I'd rather check with the FBI. Weknowall1968 ( talk) 19:49, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
Took a lot of asking to get some info about those 'ancient Chinese Jewish tribes'.
However – you shot yourself in the foot again:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzSiIrlsvz8 In the above video, Hasidim explains that those tribes are in the west of China.
But; Kaifeng is not in the west of China. Actually far from it – it is located in the east-central part of China. /info/en/?search=Kaifeng
Kaifeng is not a village, but a city of about 5 million people.
Hence, the Jews there are not a tribe, but just a community of city dwellers. The name Kaifeng is not mentioned in the video. Weknowall1968 ( talk) 19:49, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
As for now, 48 hours on, your most relied upon references from J-TV are non-existing.
Why do you make so much effort to contact J-TV them if you are not Mr. Hasidim or his close friend? Why do you make so much effort with poor argumentation if you are not Mr. Hasidim or his close friend?
The only source you are relying on, News1, presents one article writing by yourself and two by your partner-in-sham (Daniel Galily).
After inquiring, I found out that News1 gives an open platform to writers.
In addition, it is not a newspaper. It does not print. Merely an online platform.
It is your duty to ensure that the videos you upload are reliable.
Looking at all your lies and inconsistencies throughout this exchange over the past few days – you cannot blame anyone for highly doubting anything you write. Weknowall1968 ( talk) 19:49, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
What about the Zionist Billionaires Forum? Where are there offices in Israel? What is their registration number? Do you continually refrain from answering this in order to come up with something at some later point?
How did you get hold of the scanned Chinese and Hebrew papers you posted? You still didn't answer that. They are from many years ago. People don't even keep yesterday's paper…
Are you a Dror Daniel Hasidim hardcore fan?
You even posed an article (which you took down) from 1998. You are either Dror Hasidim or his close lackey that got those articles and orders from him.
Why would any random person who is not in close contact with the subject (or being the subject himself) be so obsessive about this sham page existing and being able to present antique articles.
And how did you get those Chinese articles? Those are not even links, but scans! Weknowall1968 ( talk) 19:49, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
- Dani1587 and Weknowall1968: these huge walls of text you are posting are going to have very little bearing on the outcome of this discussion, because they mostly focus on the content of the article. That is a matter for the article's talk page. What is up for discussion here is whether the subject is notable, which is judged by whether there is significant coverage of him (note, not by him) in independent, reliable sources. Please see WP:GOLDENRULE. Cordless Larry ( talk) 20:57, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
Cordless Larry: Sorry and thank you for the clarification. It is just important for me to keep Wikipedia clean and reliable when I have information to the contrary. Weknowall1968 ( talk) 21:12, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
- Strong Delete and Salt. Severe problems with the article, no particular notability, and a ridiculous amount of useless content on this AfD. Power~enwiki ( talk) 05:23, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
Have you checked at the US Department of Education?
You can ask Yen Wei, no one can underestimate his credibility.
The university is not a source.
Most people that are living in China do not live in the western part. All mountains.
Most people live in the east.
Everyone in China knows that when they say "west" they mean the more central part.
In China, 5 million is a village, 10-12 million is a small town, and 20-22 million is a big city.
The Zionist billionaires forum has no office in Israel. On the contrary, they are not interested in official contact with the Israeli government.
Associations of billionaires (like the Bilderberg Group) do not need a registration number
You can not upload articles directly to NEWS1. The articles are sent to editors for review and to check reliability.
If someone thinks that the page does not have enough resources, I invite them to see the number of the sources on the following pages:
Https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raviv_Drucker
Https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionist_Freedom_Alliance
There are many more articles about Hasidim in the Chinese media. But it is very difficult to find articles from Chinese newspapers on the Internet due to the difficulties made by the government.
But the articles on the page are on the Internet
If you do not believe them, then do what I did and contact the editors of the paper:
Sqrbbeb@126.com
Have you asked Hasidim on his Facebook page if he can show you evidence that he and his cousin are two different people? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dani1587 ( talk • contribs) 21:58, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
We've been arguing a lot here and it's starting to annoy other editors.
So I propose a compromise:
My page on Hasidim will remain and you could add what ever that you want about him on the page (as long, of course, as you can find references for it online or offline) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dani1587 ( talk • contribs) 05:28, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
- Both deletion and article content are decided by consensus, Dani1587, so it's not in your gift to offer that compromise. Also, as you have been told multiple times, please stop posting irrelevant walls of text here, and please sign your posts. Cordless Larry ( talk) 06:57, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
- I would like to bring to the attention of the editors that the link to reference 1 is leading to a dead page.
The claim of being named as best foreign professor in China is based on 2 dead links (references 1 and 3), a youtube video of an English class (reference 2) a short quarter page profile from an unknown source (surely not a newspaper as it shows 'page 125' at the bottom), It is claimed to be from 2002, but Hasidim claims to be in China from 2008. Hence, all 'references' are irrelevant to that claim. Weknowall1968 ( talk) 08:30, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
The page that I brought to the editors is in the scope pf the category of "Jewish activists'.
I believe that the editors can see that the average number of references in many of the pages for Jewish activists / world Jewish organizations is 8-17.
And many of the references are from Israeli sources.
This can be seen from the examples I brought in the conversation and also from general knowledge about values in this category:
/info/en/?search=Arik_Ascherman
/info/en/?search=Richard_Benkin
/info/en/?search=David_Borowich
/info/en/?search=Helene_S._Coleman
/info/en/?search=Pinhas_Rutenberg
/info/en/?search=David_Silberman
Https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionist_Freedom_Alliance
/info/en/?search=Julius_Steinfeld
/info/en/?search=Ephraim_Kholmyansky
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Dani1587 ( talk • contribs) 14:34, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
- We don't judge notability by the number of sources, Dani1587, but by whether the coverage is significant. A couple of in-depth sources can be enough to demonstrate notability, whereas tens of sources that only mention the subject in passing don't. See WP:SIGCOV. Cordless Larry ( talk) 11:37, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
You're absolutely right.
That's why I made sure to bring only newspaper articles where the subject of the page is the main subject of the article.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Dani1587 ( talk • contribs) 15:38, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
- Please sign your posts using four tildes (~~~~), Dani1587, not by copying the unsigned post template. Cordless Larry ( talk) 12:44, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
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The result was Delete. I've skimmed the wall of text below, while it touches on everything from Chinese work permits to Israeli police procedures very little of it has any relevance at all to the question of whether Wikipedia can have an article about this person. However nested in between this is a pretty clear consensus for deletion and I will salt it given the number of creations. Hut 8.5 21:32, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
Daniel Hasidim
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Article about a non-notable "academic", who is dean of a business school at Los Angeles University, which is a degree mill. Already deleted twice via AfD, but speedy was declined because this recreation is apparently not substantially identical to the last one. Cordless Larry ( talk) 05:55, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
- Note that the same editor has created Draft:Los Angeles University and Draft:The Zionist Billionaires Forum. Cordless Larry ( talk) 06:15, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
- Delete and Salt per nom and prior AfDs. - GretLomborg ( talk) 06:24, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
Hasidim is no longer under the category of academics.
He is in the category of Jewish activists.
There is no issue of copyrights becuase the Zionist Billionaires Website is no longer exist in its present form. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dani1587 ( talk • contribs) 00:13, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
After the page was taken down about 15 months, here his page appears again, and this time with some 'citations'.
However, those citations are not credible, and once again there is an attempt to use our amazing platform for getting legitimacy to harm innocent people, who do regard Wikipedia as an ultimate source of knowledge - and to some extent in my opinion rightly so.
1) His Full name is Dror Daniel Hasidim. He addopted his middle name as his first name as to not be related to articles where his scams are written about. He imposed as a PhD doctorate from Columbia university who is the representative of Florida and Columbia State universities. For a sum of about 6,000$ he sold degrees to people, mainly public workers, who them claimed a raise in their salary (in Israel, as in some other countries, public sector workers are eligible for a salary raise if they get higher education).
He was not the represenatative of there universities. He just printed the degrees in a printhouse. Judging from his mediocre verbal and very poor written English - there is no doubt he did not complete a doctorate from Columbia University.
Here are links to articles - the first two are from known newspapers, the third is from a small niche site : https://www.haaretz.co.il/misc/1.1077008 http://www.themarker.com/law/1.502808 http://www.nfc.co.il/archive/001-D-92151-00.html?tag=9-20-35
I have the court ruling against one public sector worker who was sued for using the fake degree he purchased to obtain a raise in his salary. There the judge clearly states it was obtained by Hasidim, who did impersonate himself as a business PhD and the represenatator of Florida and Columbia State universities. It is a PDF file. If you regard it as relevant, please let me know where to email it to.
Although the file and the three links are in Hebrew, there are some fellow Hebrew speaking editors who will be able to tell us what's written.
2) He was born in 1968, not 1970. I think if you have access to his deleted profile from about 18 months ago, you will see his year of birth was claimed to be 1972.
We will now tackle the citations/references. There are the numbers of the citation as for the time when this email was written, around midday GMT on Saturday the 15th of July. As he recently often updates his profile, this numbers may get mixed.
Reference 1:
The Zionist Billionaires Forum - a non-existent body. Just uses it to give the impression he is in close relationship with billionaires and top politicians.
Reference 2:
The source of reference is to a sham 'university' where he is the 'Dean' of the business school. This univesity does not exist. Just an online sham, where he wrote about himself that he holds a doctorate degree, which is the source of reference 'confirming' its validity.
Reference 3:
An article by a pretty much unknown (and perhaps somewhat naive) freelance writer, whose article in question appears in a website that ranks 4,480,247 in Alexa.
Reference 4:
This is video was uploaded by his brother in law, Sachi Carmeli. Those teenagers look more like afternoon extra class schooling than actual MBA candidates. There is nothing in this video that proofs are even gives a serious impression that this is a lecture of a MBA class.
Reference 5:
Luckily for us (and unluckily for Hasidim), there are quite a few Ukrainian speakers outside of Ukraine.
The link does not mention that he is a lecturer there, but just that he is the advisor of some person who head the American chapter for promoting the international reach of the university.
It is supposed he used his 'position' as the Dean of the non existent Los Angeles University. This is probably part of his plan to get legitimacy by Wikipedia.
Reference 6:
The book he claim to have written is 'Raising Children in the Jewish Way' is in fact a what appears to be a very simple copyright infringement of the book 'Raising Your Jewish/Christian Child' by Lee F. Gruzen. If you will follow the citation he used, you can download 'his' book. You will see very clearly in the pdf file that he made a page with his own name and title, and then just one by one scanned pages of the book, which are identical to the original book.
https://www.amazon.com/Raising-Your-Jewish-Christian-Child/dp/1557044147
References 7 and 8:
Regarding the other two 'books', seem like an amateurish copy/paste which is more the size of an article rather than a book. I am sure he cannot provide an ISBN number.
Reference 9:
There is a similar type of plaigiarism as in Reference 6, but this time from the Israeli author Yael Tal. If you will download 'his' book from the link he provides, you see the page title (probably the 2nd or 3rd inner page of the book) which just the book's title written on it, used as the front page, and his name handwritten.
Here is the link to the original book to purchase.
http://www.booknet.co.il/prodtxt.asp?id=36700#.WWnhBYTyuUk
Reference 10:
Israel-Far East Chamber of Commerce - a non-existent body. The ridiculous 9 years old 1 minute 20 seconds youtube video from a small local town Chinese tv channel is not a source that confirms that whatsoever. It talks about the Israeli city of Ramla.
Reference 11:
This 9 years old youtube video just mentions about he delegation of the Israeli city of Ramla he was a part of.
References 12 and 21:
The video does not mentioned Hasidim nor anything similar to his claim of 'leading delegations of high-tech companies and agricultural companies from Israel to various places in China'.
Just the text above mentions it, while mentioning that he is the director of the (non-existent) Zionist Billionaires Forum. In addition, this website is the one where the plagiarised books appear, which is another indication of how amateur and not reliable this non-Alexa ranked website is.
References 13 and 22:
Written by his friend Daniel Galily, who, in the link the the sham 'Los Angeles University' appears as 'Associate Professor' and 'Dean of student affairs'. This guy is only 30. The website he wrote in is not known in Israel and very low ranked.
Here is a link by the notorious Haaretz daily which writes about Galily being a 'docotrate' who bought his degree from a non existent university in Hawaii.
https://www.haaretz.co.il/blogs/taliherutisover/1.2799661
References 14 and 15:
Does not mentioned he was an advisor to any of Israel's Prime Ministers. The two Chinese articles, whose sources cannot be confirmed by the scan, do not mention that. They just mention that he holds a position in the city of Ramla. Please note that Suqian is a tiny pretty much unknown perfecture in China, with about 4 million people. This is very small in Chinese standrads for a city, not to mention for a perfecture.
Reference 16:
This is an article he wrote on the same platform as mentioned in references 13 and 22. Small not reliable website, which probably was arranged for him to write by his friend who is also, as mentioned, a holder of a fake degree.
References 17 and 18 and 20:
There is nothing which indicates that this scanned paper is from the Maariv newspaper.
Can be easily a self created page. My 14 years old daughter can do that.
Reference 18 at some place mentioned a prediciotn for 2005, which means that this article is over 12 years old.
Reference 19: Derbi News does not exist and was during its short existence just a local newspaper with very poor circulation, hence its quick demise. It is from 1998, which is contrary to the claim it references "Since the early 2000s he has written articles in the Israeli press..."
Some of the claims above are on their own merrit sufficient to delete this profile and ban it from ever being established again. What this con-artist will do is simply once again attempt to circumvent Wikipedia's restrictions. His malicious intent is very clear. Wikipedia shall not be a platform for conmen to gain legitimacy! Weknowall1968 ( talk) 12:16, 15 July 2017 (UTC)
My friend, you make a common mistake. This is not him but his cousin that have the same name.
See: Http://www.news1.co.il/showTalkBack.aspx?docId=92151&subjectId=1&talkBackId=1097014
His cousin was arrested in 2001 and the arrest received wide media attention, but he was not indicted because after examining all the evidence, the prosecution and the police decided to release him.
See: Http://www.tapuz.co.il/forums/viewmsg/434/113646160/%D7%97%D7%95%D7%A7_%D7%95%D7%9E%D7%A9%D7%A4%D7 98% D7% 9% D7% A9% D7% D7% 98% D7% 99% D7% D7% 99% D7% A7% D7% 98% D7% A8% D7% A7% 98% D7% 95% D7% 94% D7% 94% D7% 99% D7% 99-% D7% 98% D7% A7
But I think you're right that it is necessary to add a special paragraph about the incident.
The Zionist billionaires' forum is an existing body. He just restarted his website, that is why you did not find it. I can assure you that he would not have written newspaper articles about him if he did not have an official website.
Hasidim succeeded in establishing this forum due to his family closeness to Israeli billionaire Nissan Khachuri.
See: Http://www.professorhasidim.com/nissan-chakshori-linkedin-recommendations/
The body has a tremendous impact, and if I leave you to talk with the people who work with them you will find that they are not interested in advertising and certainly not in a Wikipedia page.
The University of Los Angeles is an institution established by Chinese Professor Yan Wei (President). The institution was established two years ago and is currently in the process of accreditation by the US Department of Education. But because he was not fully accredited, I did not mention him.
According to the law in the US an academic institution must go a test period for two years before he get full accreditation.
You are right about the page of the Ukrainian institution and it will be amended accordingly.
Daniel Hasidim knew how to write the book about the tips for a better life because, he claims, that during his time as head of the EMBA program in Peking, he spent a lot of time with ancient Chinese Jewish tribes in China who taught him various methods of improving the quality of life.
See: Https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aU2ZRMbQhKs — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dani1587 ( talk • contribs) 15:09, 15 July 2017 (UTC)
The website of the Israel chamber of commerce in China http://www.ischam.org/
His position in Ramla is mention in source 19.
J-TV is not a small media chennel. He appear on lists of Jewish publications of Jewish communities worldwide.
See: http://www.haruth.com/WWJewishPubs.html
I agreed with your comment on "Derbi News" and so I deleted the source
All the journalistic sources of this value are of newspapers with a circulation of millions of viewers and subscribers. Everything that they upload is reviewed by editors. I do not agree with the claim that the sources are unreliable.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Dani1587 ( talk • contribs) 17:53, 15 July 2017 (UTC)
Sir,
First of all, the cousin story sounds very unreliable. You did not provide any proof.
You ignore many of the points raised earlier. And the ones you refer to actually make matters worse and further indicate that this profile must be deleted as soon as possible:
Your first link is just a talkback. In other words, a reply of a person to the article. This is nor evidence nor a source. It can be written by anyone, including yourself or your friend. Please do not take the Wikipedia community for fools.
The second link is a bad URL. There is no website behind it. Again, are you taking us for fools?
Regarding your claim: "The Zionist billionaires' forum is an existing body. He just restarted his website, that is why you did not find it. I can assure you that he would not have written newspaper articles about him if he did not have an official website." You came up with this forum's story also last time. Nothing new, only this time you try to circumvent Wikipedia's guidelines. The person who wrote the article (in a pretty much unknown website in Israel) is himself, as mentioned earlier a person who is alleged to have purchased his degree. One dubious character writing about a scammer. Nothing more than that.
The 'endorsement' from Nissan Khachuri comes from your own website, which you probably wrote yourself. On the same token you can also write an endorsement from Barak Obama or Santa Klaus. Once again, you regard us as fools.
So you admit that the Los Angeles Univeristy' is not yet recognized, yet you deceitfully use it as a reference.
On the Facebook page of the 'university', on the 25th of February, the following is written: "LOS ANGELES UNIVERSITY WAS CHOSEN ONE OF THE 100 OPEN UNIVERSITIES IN THE WORLD" This totally contradict your excuses and clearly shows that you regard this made up institution as a university for at least 5 months already.
Did those 'ancient Chinese Jewish tribes' also teach you how to plagiarize books? Would you be kind enough to tell us where exactly they are located?
Regarding the youtube video of you talking, will get it translated just out of curiosity, but on the look of it – seem nothing much than you talking from your home or hotel somewhere. Can be done by anyone anywhere.
Thank you for the link of IsCham, but what relevance does it have to your Wikipedia profile? You are obviously not mentioned there, nor the organization you made up – 'Israel-Far East Chamber of Commerce'. Sorry to repeat it, but don't regard us as fools please.
But again, you are taking us for fools, as J-TV does not appear on the link you sent, which anyhow does not change the fact it is not even a ranked website.
Another lie is that Daniel Hasidim is regarding himself as a billionaire: "The Billionaires who agreed to be Forum members are: Daniel Hasidim…"
Dear Wikipedia community – it is now very clear that we are dealing with an immoral individual who is using our platform to perpetrate shams and in addition is regarding us all as fools. This profile shall be both deleted and never be permitted to be re-created. Weknowall1968 ( talk) 21:55, 15 July 2017 (UTC)
Excuse me sir, I'm not Daniel Hassidim. I do not refer to Wikipedia as stupid and I would appreciate, with all due respect, if you would not use such expressions and maintain a mature and serious discussion, please.
First, you probably do not know the labor laws in China.
To obtain a work permit in China, it is necessary to present a certificate of "no criminal record". If the police arrested the object of the article, there is no chance in the world that he would work in China, as you saw in the other sources.
In addition, you can find mention of the metter in this source: http://www.news1.co.il/Archive/003-D-116641-00.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dani1587 ( talk • contribs) 23:36, 15 July 2017 (UTC)
Second, I said that the university is in the process of being recognized. But I'm willing to accept the argument that the source should be removed.
Third, after your comments on the Israel-Far East Chamber of Commerce, I decided to change the caption accordingly. That's why it is not found.
Fourth, J-TV: The Global Jewish Channel is a very broad Jewish channel
See: Https://www.facebook.com/JTVTheGlobalJewishChannel/
Fifth, you're right about the list of billionaires. Hasidim is a registered member but not one of the billionaires. This will be corrected accordingly.
Sixth, I do not override regulations, I follow them.
The official website of the Zionist Billionaires Forum was added.
Thank you for your comments
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Dani1587 ( talk • contribs) 22:58, 15 July 2017 (UTC)
- Delete This is a promotional biography using dubious sources of an individual who fails WP:ACADEMIC. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 18:57, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
The sources are not dubious! You are welcome to check. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dani1587 ( talk • contribs) 19:20, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
You are either Mr. Hasidim himself or his lackey. It is very obvious from the manner you are battling to maintain this page, even though it is beyond obvious that this is a hoax. Your responses are easily to debunk and you ignore important issues like:
- The articles written from a pretty unknown website by your fellow 'Dean of student affairs' in your fake university – who himself is discovered to have purchased his degree. Looks more like a happy customer and a fellow perpetrator to me. This is regarding references, who are as for the time of writing, are numbered 18 and 26 (Galily) and the link to News1 he shared a few lines above.
- You plagiarize books and present them as your own. Even if you take it down, it merely manifest that you made an attempt which failed. Could you please refer me to where those books can be purchased online?
- The Zionist Billionaires Forum: you put on a website overnight. Probably used some easy to create platform like WP or the like. And who is the main face we directly see on entering the website? The same face from the old amateurish youtube videos – Mr. Hasidim. Looks like a non-existent organization with an instantly made-up website whose main purpose is to promote Mr. Hasidim and give him legitimacy, which will is used to gain the confidence of some innocent victims.
- Regarding the law in China: China and Israel do not have a bilateral extradition agreement. This is probably why Mr. Hasidim went there. Please look at the attached link: http://www.takdin.co.il/searchg/%D7%AA%20%D7%A4%20%D7%AA%D7%9C%20%D7%90%D7%91%D7%99%D7%91%20%D7%99%D7%A4%D7%95%205504%2008%20%D7%9E%D7%93%D7%99%D7%A0%D7%AA%20%D7%99%D7%A9%D7%A8%D7%90%D7%9C%20%D7%A0%20%D7%93%D7%A8%D7%95%D7%A8%20%D7%97%D7%A1%D7%99%D7%93%D7%99%D7%9D%20_hd_2460929.html
I received the following translation of the part relating to accused number 1 – Mr. Hasidim:
"… considering that accused 1, which is claimed by all to be the main criminal, escaped the country".
The labour laws all over the world pretty much require to have no criminal records. However, there is no proof that you were working in China. Perhaps you have just been there on any other type of visa. And who knows for how long… there are so many lies here by you that nothing is reliable anymore.
Claiming to be in China for 8 years… do you speak Chinese?
Seem you have been there as a fugitive rather than anything else. The video of the 'MBA class' looks more like a teenager business English class.
Regarding your following argument: "Third, after your comments on the Israel-Far East Chamber of Commerce, I decided to change the caption accordingly. That's why it is not found." I do not understand what you are trying to say. Can you please explain yourself clearer? Or maybe no need to waste our time here. Like the sham university and many of your shenanigans, this just seem another failed attempt.
- The year of birth is still lied about. He/you was born in 1968.
- You sent a link claiming J-TV appears there. You didn't expect us to check, but we did. When mentioned - you just ignored the claim.
You attempt to rebuff what you think you can get away with, and just ignore other issues.
I invite all fellow editors to read my above raised questions throughout this tread, which are followed by Mr. Hasidim's/ his fellow's replies. You will see the unrelated nor unconvincing arguments on one hand, and on the other you will see him not referring to quite a few of the raised issues.
I do not see a reason why not to delete this sham profile sooner rather than later… Weknowall1968 ( talk) 21:59, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
I repeat that I am not Daniel Hassidim. I'd appreciate it if you will stop calling me that. It's not a matter of admiration, it's a matter of professional honor. To say that I do not upload good values, that I am a fraud, that I am a liar. I certainly did not expect such a reference from Wikipedia editor.
Second, NEWS1 website is a very familiar site with millions of hits. Everything uploaded there is checked by the newspaper's editorial board for reliability and accuracy. They understand that if something is written wrong, then they can be responsible. I want to remind you that you too have brought sources from this site. So you can not say that some articles are okay and other articles are not.
Third, the University of Los Angeles is not a fake university, it is an online university. I do not use it as a source because it is not yet recognized.
If you do not know what an online university is, then I suggest you freshen up with knowledge:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kH-uYwt0qs
Fourthly, if I were to put up a site overnight , how did an article about it appered in NEWS1 a year ago? With a link to the site? Could I have turned back on a time machine and saw the article?
The reason there is no extradition agreement between Israel and China is because there is a law in Israel that says that a person should not be extradited directly to prison, but only for interrogation. The intention is to prevent a person from being extradited and imprisoned without a fair trial.
I repeat the fact - if Hasidim was arrested in Israel, he would not have been able to come to China. If you do not believe me, I invite you to ask someone who has issued a work permit in China.
You can not work without a work permit in China. Check the subject before you argue.
Fifth, Hassidim appears in the broadcast as head of the Israel Chamber of Commerce in China, but he does not appear on their website and therefore I changed it accordingly.
Sixth, the year of his birth is 1970. 68 is the year of birth of his cousin. Please look at the sources.
Seventh, if you do not believe the video was filmed at Peking University, then why do not you check? Why do not you ask someone from this university?
Eighth, I'm sorry but your argument about J-TV is incorrect. Much less common news sites are used as sources in Wikipedia.
Ninth, note that all the sources concerning the books are publications from a body unrelated to the Hasidim. He does not manage there and does not work there (J-TV).
A book does not have to be sold electronically, it can only be sold manually. This is the author's decision.
But I made sure not to bring a source from the subject of the page regarding his books (Wikipedia regulations)
All in all, the page meets the standard of Wikipedia regulations. I'm sorry if you disagree.
I must insist that you do not use hypotheses.
Inquire before you claim claims
I use chinese students. I send them the sources by WeChat
Thank you for your comments. I hope I didn't use too many harsh words.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Dani1587 ( talk • contribs) 01:10, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
- keep - look like a noteble global Jewish activist, founder of the Zionist Billionaires Forum. Ovedc ( talk) 04:32, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
- While notability isn't inherited, Ovedc, this "Zionist Billionaires Forum" doesn't appear to be notable itself. Cordless Larry ( talk) 06:31, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
- Comment: If Hasidim was arrested by the Israeli police on suspicion of selling fictitious degrees (and was subsequently prosecuted), as currently suggested in the article, then the media coverage of that might make him notable as a criminal, but it seems to be disputed (above) whether it was actually him or not. Cordless Larry ( talk) 07:00, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
Well how could one think otherwise? Look how all your claims are debunk so easily.
You upload poor references, which some of them you took down yourself after you realized that they have no standing ground.
You operate on a trial and error mode.
Regarding your claims from the last message (see how I address them one by one, unlike you who does only address what you believe you can get away with) :
Second I did use a reference from News1 and did mention that it is not a widely known source. The fact that anything can be uploaded there implies how articles are (not) filtered there. You fail to refer to the issue that all the articles on this website which write about him are written by his fellow 'Dean' in his fake university. How do you explain that? I mentioned it several times but you fail to refer to it.
Third:
It is obviously a sham university. If you are not Hasidim or his lackey, how are you so sure about it?
Looking at his history with fake degrees and the content of the website, it is a sham.
You are indirectly admitting that you presented an unrecognized academic institution as a recognized one. How do you explain that on the university's Facebook page (which has the picture of Hasidim at its font, and not of the university itself), it is claimed to be.
Like many of the websites you use as reference, it is Hasidim's face that appears there. These are self-promoting pages and nothing more. If it is not a recognized institution, as you admit, how do you explain the following (which you previously failed to address):
On the Facebook page of the 'university', on the 25th of February, the following is written: "LOS ANGELES UNIVERSITY WAS CHOSEN ONE OF THE 100 OPEN UNIVERSITIES IN THE WORLD" How can a university be chosen as something if it is not recognized as something? It is like to say that a dog, which is not yet recognized as a cat, was chosen as one of the 100 cats in the world.
Fourth:
The article appeared on News1 a year ago, because, as mentioned several times, it was written by his fellow 'Dean' of his sham 'university'.
Another proof is, that last year was 2016. Now we are in 2017.
On the website the following is written:
© 2017 Zionist Billionaires Forum | Powered by Beaver Builder
2017! Once again, you take us for fools.
In addition, the 'forum news' section is blank. Yes, it seem like a website that was quickly done overnight.
As it is active in Israel, it must be a registered institution. Can you please provide us with the registration number? Address?
Does Mr. Hasidim speak Chinese? You ignored that point.
Like in Thailand, many foreigners come to China on a tourist visa which get extended and then renewed upon re-entering the country, or a business visa which is valid for much longer. There are some people from my congregation whose children has done it in order to be able to teach English. Those are known tricks.
What evidence do you have that Mr. Hasidim actually remained in China for 8 years? There is no evidence he participated in high-tech delegations – but only one delegation with the city of Ramla, and even that is only based on two youtube videos from a small locality channel.
The third 'evidence', namely reference number 17 leads to a page which does not mention anything about it.
Fifth:
Mr. Hasidim does not appear on any broadcast. You make things up. Please send us a link to such a broadcast. He does not appear on the website (very obvious why) – so why did you use it as a reference? You could as easily put a reference to the website of the FBI and claim he is a secret agent.
Sixth:
I looked at the sources – the ones my contacts have with the Israeli police. There is no Daniel Hasidim who was born in 1970.
There are 3 people who can be some type of Daniel Hasidim, who were born between 1965 and 1975:
1) Dror Daniel Hasidim. Born on 23.02.1968. From Givatayim. 2) Daniel Hasidim. Born on 08.02.1968. From Petah Tikva. 3) Danny Aharon Hasidim. Born on December 1966. From Holon.
Number 3 is seem to be absolutely not relevant. Number 1 is the main suspect of this fake profile. You already lost your credibility here, as there is no Daniel Hasidim who was born in 1970.
The Daniel Hasidim who is presented in this sham profile is the son of Josef and Dalia.
Now, please tell me, what are the names of the parents of the 'cousin'? You seem to know so much about him - I am sure you know his cousin's parents' names. Which one of them is the sibling of which of his parents? How many kids does this cousin have? How many sibling(s) does the cousin have? Name one of them (if there are any).
These questions are just to emphasize the scam even further. It already falls on the grounds that there is no Daniel Hasidim who was born in 1970.
Seventh:
Why don't you prove it is from Peking University, and not some weekend class in an auditorium?
The people there look like kids, not like MBA students. And yes, I know Chinese look young, but not that young.
Was this the only issue, I would have been leaning towards you – but as all you sources are disputed and in a large number a hoax – I don't see a reason why this one is genuine. There is no clear evidence to either side.
Nothing in this video shows this is a MBA class at Peking University.
Eight:
You claim that J-TV is a well-known and respected media channel. Well, why is it that nothing about you appear on their website anymore?
Claiming that less common news sites are used as references on Wikipedia does not necessarily make it correct.
This is why we, the editors, as much as we can, are dealing with cases like Mr. Hasidim's. We clean up as much as we can, and put things into question where it is adequate to do so.
Your most used source, J-TV, 7 references in total – all are empty! All are leading to just a landing page with no relation to anything you write! Shame on you.
Ninth:
Who is the source of publication then? Those books are not downloadable anymore, seem J-TV realized there are severe copyright infringement and took it down.
You say the book is not sold electronically, but it was downloadable for free.
You tremble on your own lies. I kept a copy of the downloads.
Please explain the following sentence. It is not clear what you mean:
" I use chinese students. I send them the sources by WeChat"
You also didn't elaborate about the 'ancient Chinese Jewish tribes'.
Apart from your imagination, where in China are they located?
So many issues you just ignore or poorly excuse.
I hereby request this profile to be deleted and not permitted to be re-created again.
Our Wikipedia must be as clean and reliable as possible, and not act as a platform for con-artists to gain legitimacy.
This profile was deleted twice, and now is trying to circumvent the existing restrictions that got this page deleted in the past.
Please read the questions and doubts I posted throughout this exchange. Read the replies, and then my counter replies and evidence – or lack of evidence by Mr.Hasidim/his helper. Weknowall1968 ( talk) 11:24, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
Reply:
First off, you did use an article from NEWS1: Http://www.nfc.co.il/archive/001-D-92151-00.html?tag=9-20-35
Second, I'm sure the information is what it says in the sources, like every other page on Wikipedia (With far fewer sources):
For example: /info/en/?search=World_Zionist_Organization
Third, it's not a dummy university. I understand the confusion. In the United States open universities are built in the form of online universities.
Fourth, the sources are not self-image. I was deliberately careful not to put sources originated by the subject himself so that the value would comply with the procedures of Wikipedia.
Fifth, I do not know the names of the parents of whom you're talking about. If I talk to him, it creates a problem of conflict of interest.
Sixth , if a person does not appear in the records of the Israel Police, it means that he has never been interrogated by the police and has had any contact with the police - which proves my claims.
Seventh, it is not listed on the university's website that is active in Israel. Registered as an American institution.
Eighth , I can send the Peking University video to students studying there through WeChat and ask them.
Ninth, I know what years he was in China, because he had an interview with Ma'ariv a year ago. If I can not find this interview, I will correct accordingly.
Tenth, you're right about page 17, it could have been my mistake. I will check the matter.
As to whether Hasidim speak Chinese? According to Source 16 you can hear him speaking Chinese with the interviewer. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dani1587 ( talk • contribs) 13:34, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
You make so much effort with keeping this page existing and ignore so many of my good arguments – I can only assume that you are Mr. Hasidim himself or the least someone very close to him. In my opinion, all articles from News1 should be taken down, especially those written by your friend - Galily.
Regarding the sources:
It is not about the quantity, but about the quality.
In your case both are lacking.
Reading through our discussion, one can see the quality of your sources are low.
Now let's break down the quantity – out of the 26 references:
- 7 are landing pages with no relations to you from J-TV.
- 6 are articles of you being a fraudster.
These are already half of the references.
- 3 are pretty much unrelated youtube videos.
- 2 are articles written by your friend, Daniel Galily – who appear to be part of your fraud scheme.
- 2 are scans of very short articles in Chinese who discuss some co-operation with the city of Ramla.
And guess what, your bad luck is that I have sharp eyes: What is written in the scan from what is currently reference 13 above is 'Hasidim Dror'.
Here is our proof that you are Dror Daniel Hasidim.
Let's remind ourselves what the Israeli police database shows:
Dror Daniel Hasidim. Born on 23.02.1968. From Givatayim.
- 3 scanned articles from an unknown origin (you claim Maariv – but no proof for that).
- 1 is an article written by yourself.
You yourself admitted that the 'university' is not yet recognized. You keep on contradicting yourself.
Why if you talk with him it creates a problem of conflict of interest? Please explain the logic behind this claim.
If you don't talk to him – how come you are so sure it is his 'cousin'? Where is the proof for that?
From now any any person who did something bad can blame a cousin with an identical name or an identical twin brother?
Is this the Wikipedia "the dog ate my homework" excuse?
You seem to be very confident about your knowledge of Mr. Hasidim/yourself for someone who claims not to contact him to avoid 'conflict of interest'.
In addition, you say you can send videos to students. Isn't it a slip that exposes that the writer is Mr. Hasidim himself? As you don’t talk to him, as you claim, how come you know who his students are/were?
Again, you regard us as fools.
How did you get hold of the scanned Chinese and Hebrew papers you posted?
I see no other option than the fact that you are Mr. Hasidim, or the least a person to close him.
The records from the Israeli police are not related to people with a criminal record, but are from a database from all the people in Israel – regardless of whether they have a criminal record or not.
You fail to explain where all the references from J-TV had gone. You use references that lead nowhere.
No references to the books you 'wrote'.
You fail to tell us where the 'ancient Chinese Jewish tribes' are located.
You fail to provide us with details about and existence of the Zionist Billionaires Forum.
The funniest point where you undermine our intelligence is to claim that the part of the video where there is an audio dubbing is actually Hasidim speaking Chinese.
See this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3dyCbQFRcc
Without understanding, one can clearly see this non-Chinese lady actually speaks Chinese.
The sound is natural and the lips are in tandem with the speech.
Please find the interview with Maariv from a year ago. If it is from a year ago, there must be also an online version.
And if you are not related to Mr. Hasidim as you claim to be, why would you potentially have an article about him from a year ago? Unless it is online of course…
Weknowall1968 (
talk) 20:19, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
- All of the links in the references to the J-TV website in the article have gone dead. I've marked them as such. Cordless Larry ( talk) 20:39, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
Reply:
First, all the sources are from newspapers of millions of readers. They meet the conditions of Wikipedia.
Second, according to the sources, "Daniel Dror Hasidim" is the full name of the two men. It is customary for Jewish families from Arab countries to give their children middle names after the grandparents.
Third, the Israel Police database relates only to persons who have had contact with the police. The general database of all Israeli citizens is in the Israeli Ministry of the Interior.
Fourth, the videos are broadcasts of Chinese TV channels and newspapers in China with limited Internet access due to the Chinese government's blocking of Google, Facebook and YouTube.
Fifth, I did not say that the university is not recognized, I said it was in a process of recognition by US laws (test period).
Sixth, if it says in NEWS1 that it is his cousin I have no reason to doubt it because the article was reviewed by the editorial board before it was published.
Seventh, how do you know that the articles are not from Ma'ariv? Did you check the newspaper archives?
Eighth, I said I could ask college students from Peking University if they recognized the hall in the video.
Ninth, in an contact massage that I sent to J-TV, they said that they're checking.
And tenth, I'm looking for the article from Ma'ariv. It was on a weekend volume. Not every article in the newspaper upload online, it's two different systems of the newspaper.
I don't have his home number but I have found his facebook page:
https://www.facebook.com/dchasidim?fref=ts
If you like you can ask him yourself, I cannot for obvious reasons
P.S. Just now, a Peking University student told me by WeChat that the EMBA program is one of the only programs that are taught in English. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dani1587 ( talk • contribs) 03:20, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
Dror Daniel Hasidim is not the full name of two men. How did you come up with that? Where in the sources does it say that?
Not only Jews from Arab countries give their children middle names. Also Ashkenazi Jews do that. My husband is half of each.
Hasidim is from Iranian ancestry (his parents moved to Israel when they were in their teens) – Iran is not an Arab country.
Anyhow, that is not relevant, you are just schmoozing around to divert the conversation.
You fail to prove that there are two Dror Daniel Hasidim who are cousins.
Two cousins with an identical first name and middle name?
It seem you have invented the new "the dog ate my homework" Wikipedia excuse. Weknowall1968 ( talk) 09:46, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
The Israeli police (and most likely the police in most countries) has access to the Ministry of Interior database.
When they stop an individual for a traffic offence, which is unless in extreme cases not a criminal offence, the officer can instantly find his details on the database.
To claim that the police only has the database of people with criminal records is foolish – nice attempt though. Weknowall1968 ( talk) 09:48, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
About the articles from News1:
The articles written about Mr. Hasidim are written by one individual named 'Daniel Galily'
Daniel Galily appears here as a Dean in the fake university.
Very impressive for a 30 year old – wasn't it a sham university.
http://www.los-angeles-university.education/faculty/
What do we have here? One dubious character attempting to whitewash another dubious character.
Here is an article from a real news website – Haaretz – which writes about Galily forging a PhD from a fake university.
https://www.haaretz.co.il/blogs/taliherutisover/1.2799661 Weknowall1968 ( talk) 09:48, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
If a university is in the process of getting recognition (which we know is not true) – then it is still not a recognized university.
Yet, it does present itself as such.
It uses the title 'university', selling degrees and claiming on its Facebook page to be chosen as a university.
Clearly a sham. Weknowall1968 ( talk) 09:48, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
The fact that the websites you mentioned are blocked in China does not change the fact that you misrepresented us a dubbing to be Hasidim speaking Chinese.
Such pathetic attempts only magnify the fact that you are either Mr. Hasidim himself or his lackey, acting upon his guidance.
Where is your proof that the article is from Maariv? You post a source, you are ought to provide proof that it is what you claim it to be.
This auditorium is a very common design which can be found in many universities and high-schools around the world.
There is no any special feature there that can distinct that auditorium.
You trying to convince us by having a few (paid?) Chinese to write to you that this is Peking University auditorium? Weknowall1968 ( talk) 09:50, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
Where are your J-TV 'credentials' you were relying so enthusiastically on? What proof do you have that Mr. Hasidim is the author of those books and that they actually exist?
You keep ignoring my question about the 'ancient Chinese Jewish tribes'. I asked my Rabbi, he has never heard about it. Please let us know where, apart from your imagination, are they located?
There is nothing I want to ask Mr. Hasidim via facebook. I am conversing with him via you (I still suspect you are Mr.Hasidim).
What are those 'obvious reason' that you cannot ask him questions? Please elaborate. Weknowall1968 ( talk) 09:50, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
I invite you to check with the US Department of Education whether this university is in the process of being recognized.
In any case, until then it is not used as a source.
There are ancient Chinese Jewish tribes:
Http://www.nrg.co.il/online/11/ART2/507/263.html
I'm not Mr. Hasidim. If you want, talk to him directly.
I can not ask him because according to Wikipedia's procedures I must not have no contact with the subject of the page.
As for J-TV, they're still checking. They did not got back to me with an answer.
I'll send them another massage today.
The articles in NEWS1, that are written by Mr. Hasidim, are a source of the sentence: "He wrote articles in the Israeli press."
The other articles from NEWS1 were written by different source. The fact that the articles were approved by the editors of the newspaper, does not make them any different then the articles that you brought as a source.
About the videos, do you have a source that can counteract their credibility? If so, present them. If not, then they should be treated as reliable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dani1587 ( talk • contribs) 13:21, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
Sir, the sham university alleged process of being recognized is not relevant.
Someone being in the process of getting an Olympic medal does not make him an Olympic medal holder.
The fact that it is presenting itself as a university and selling degrees already only magnifies the fact that it is a sham. In addition, on its Facebook page it claims to be a university. And what do we see on the profile picture? The campus? The classroom? No! We see Mr. Hasidim's photo.
Although it is not a used source, it was a used source and you claim it is a legitimate institution, while all evidence and logic is pointing to the other direction. Hence, the conclusion is that you are not a reliable source and you are part of the sham. Weknowall1968 ( talk) 19:40, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
Look more towards the middle side of this page:
http://www.los-angeles-university.education/blog/
There we can see a link for the 2014-2015 admission.
"This entry was posted in Los Angeles University News on October 13, 2014 by Debra." "This entry was posted in Los Angeles University Schools on January 1, 2014 by LAU."
So for at least the past 3 years and 7 months you mispresent yourself as a university.
To check with the US department of Education…? I think I'd rather check with the FBI. Weknowall1968 ( talk) 19:49, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
Took a lot of asking to get some info about those 'ancient Chinese Jewish tribes'.
However – you shot yourself in the foot again:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzSiIrlsvz8 In the above video, Hasidim explains that those tribes are in the west of China.
But; Kaifeng is not in the west of China. Actually far from it – it is located in the east-central part of China. /info/en/?search=Kaifeng
Kaifeng is not a village, but a city of about 5 million people.
Hence, the Jews there are not a tribe, but just a community of city dwellers. The name Kaifeng is not mentioned in the video. Weknowall1968 ( talk) 19:49, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
As for now, 48 hours on, your most relied upon references from J-TV are non-existing.
Why do you make so much effort to contact J-TV them if you are not Mr. Hasidim or his close friend? Why do you make so much effort with poor argumentation if you are not Mr. Hasidim or his close friend?
The only source you are relying on, News1, presents one article writing by yourself and two by your partner-in-sham (Daniel Galily).
After inquiring, I found out that News1 gives an open platform to writers.
In addition, it is not a newspaper. It does not print. Merely an online platform.
It is your duty to ensure that the videos you upload are reliable.
Looking at all your lies and inconsistencies throughout this exchange over the past few days – you cannot blame anyone for highly doubting anything you write. Weknowall1968 ( talk) 19:49, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
What about the Zionist Billionaires Forum? Where are there offices in Israel? What is their registration number? Do you continually refrain from answering this in order to come up with something at some later point?
How did you get hold of the scanned Chinese and Hebrew papers you posted? You still didn't answer that. They are from many years ago. People don't even keep yesterday's paper…
Are you a Dror Daniel Hasidim hardcore fan?
You even posed an article (which you took down) from 1998. You are either Dror Hasidim or his close lackey that got those articles and orders from him.
Why would any random person who is not in close contact with the subject (or being the subject himself) be so obsessive about this sham page existing and being able to present antique articles.
And how did you get those Chinese articles? Those are not even links, but scans! Weknowall1968 ( talk) 19:49, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
- Dani1587 and Weknowall1968: these huge walls of text you are posting are going to have very little bearing on the outcome of this discussion, because they mostly focus on the content of the article. That is a matter for the article's talk page. What is up for discussion here is whether the subject is notable, which is judged by whether there is significant coverage of him (note, not by him) in independent, reliable sources. Please see WP:GOLDENRULE. Cordless Larry ( talk) 20:57, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
Cordless Larry: Sorry and thank you for the clarification. It is just important for me to keep Wikipedia clean and reliable when I have information to the contrary. Weknowall1968 ( talk) 21:12, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
- Strong Delete and Salt. Severe problems with the article, no particular notability, and a ridiculous amount of useless content on this AfD. Power~enwiki ( talk) 05:23, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
Have you checked at the US Department of Education?
You can ask Yen Wei, no one can underestimate his credibility.
The university is not a source.
Most people that are living in China do not live in the western part. All mountains.
Most people live in the east.
Everyone in China knows that when they say "west" they mean the more central part.
In China, 5 million is a village, 10-12 million is a small town, and 20-22 million is a big city.
The Zionist billionaires forum has no office in Israel. On the contrary, they are not interested in official contact with the Israeli government.
Associations of billionaires (like the Bilderberg Group) do not need a registration number
You can not upload articles directly to NEWS1. The articles are sent to editors for review and to check reliability.
If someone thinks that the page does not have enough resources, I invite them to see the number of the sources on the following pages:
Https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raviv_Drucker
Https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionist_Freedom_Alliance
There are many more articles about Hasidim in the Chinese media. But it is very difficult to find articles from Chinese newspapers on the Internet due to the difficulties made by the government.
But the articles on the page are on the Internet
If you do not believe them, then do what I did and contact the editors of the paper:
Sqrbbeb@126.com
Have you asked Hasidim on his Facebook page if he can show you evidence that he and his cousin are two different people? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dani1587 ( talk • contribs) 21:58, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
We've been arguing a lot here and it's starting to annoy other editors.
So I propose a compromise:
My page on Hasidim will remain and you could add what ever that you want about him on the page (as long, of course, as you can find references for it online or offline) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dani1587 ( talk • contribs) 05:28, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
- Both deletion and article content are decided by consensus, Dani1587, so it's not in your gift to offer that compromise. Also, as you have been told multiple times, please stop posting irrelevant walls of text here, and please sign your posts. Cordless Larry ( talk) 06:57, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
- I would like to bring to the attention of the editors that the link to reference 1 is leading to a dead page.
The claim of being named as best foreign professor in China is based on 2 dead links (references 1 and 3), a youtube video of an English class (reference 2) a short quarter page profile from an unknown source (surely not a newspaper as it shows 'page 125' at the bottom), It is claimed to be from 2002, but Hasidim claims to be in China from 2008. Hence, all 'references' are irrelevant to that claim. Weknowall1968 ( talk) 08:30, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
The page that I brought to the editors is in the scope pf the category of "Jewish activists'.
I believe that the editors can see that the average number of references in many of the pages for Jewish activists / world Jewish organizations is 8-17.
And many of the references are from Israeli sources.
This can be seen from the examples I brought in the conversation and also from general knowledge about values in this category:
/info/en/?search=Arik_Ascherman
/info/en/?search=Richard_Benkin
/info/en/?search=David_Borowich
/info/en/?search=Helene_S._Coleman
/info/en/?search=Pinhas_Rutenberg
/info/en/?search=David_Silberman
Https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionist_Freedom_Alliance
/info/en/?search=Julius_Steinfeld
/info/en/?search=Ephraim_Kholmyansky
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Dani1587 ( talk • contribs) 14:34, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
- We don't judge notability by the number of sources, Dani1587, but by whether the coverage is significant. A couple of in-depth sources can be enough to demonstrate notability, whereas tens of sources that only mention the subject in passing don't. See WP:SIGCOV. Cordless Larry ( talk) 11:37, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
You're absolutely right.
That's why I made sure to bring only newspaper articles where the subject of the page is the main subject of the article.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Dani1587 ( talk • contribs) 15:38, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
- Please sign your posts using four tildes (~~~~), Dani1587, not by copying the unsigned post template. Cordless Larry ( talk) 12:44, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
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