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The result was keep. I see a consensus to Keep this article given the sources located (which I hope find their way into the article).
Feel free to disagree with a relisting but please do not go after the non-admin relister, assume good faith. We are very short on admins to close and relist AFD discussions and so any help we can get is appreciated. But we are also seeing fewer editors participating regularly in AFDs so you all are appreciated, too, especially when your efforts lead to an improved article. Liz Read! Talk! 01:20, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
Bruce Meyer
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Not a notable individual. Fails WP:GNG. Possible autobiography. – Muboshgu ( talk) 03:59, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Poetry and Canada. – Muboshgu ( talk) 03:59, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Academics and educators, Authors, Radio, and Television. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 04:48, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Appears to be a distinguished and recognized Canadian Poet. Xxanthippe ( talk) 09:22, 19 March 2024 (UTC).
Delete: I don't see much for him as a poet, there is a person with the same name who worked for the player's union in Major League Baseball, but I don't know if it's the same guy. The only connection I see here is a lifetime pass to the Hall of Fame in Cooperstown, which is almost mentioned in passing, and is in no way notable... Oaktree b ( talk) 14:50, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
- He is a poet, not a footballer or an economist. Xxanthippe ( talk) 22:09, 19 March 2024 (UTC).
- Keep: This article has improvement opportunities. I haven't found news sources but found him as a several award winning reputed author from Canada. Here are some of the websites I found him.
opportunities
- https://www.springpulsepoetryfestival.com/winners-2019.html
- https://www.nunum.ca/blog/brucemeyer#:~:text=Bruce%20Meyer%20is%20author%20or,He%20lives%20in%20Barrie%2C%20Ontario.
- https://www.thewoolf.org/competitions/
- https://www.montrealpoetryprize.com/2015-competition
- https://www.thewoolf.org/2018/12/01/meet-the-poets-2018-poetry-competition-shortlisters/
- https://www.blakejones.southshorereview.ca/news/contest-results/
- https://southshorereview.ca/interviews/an-interview-with-bruce-meyer/
- https://www.georgiancollege.ca/blog/newsroom/spotlight-on-prof-bruce-meyer-for-national-poetry-month/
- https://edmontonpoetryfestival.com/headliners/bruce-meyer/
- https://www.comares.com/media/comares/files/toc-113708.pdf
- https://www.encyclopedia.com/arts/educational-magazines/meyer-bruce-1957
There are more available. Yolandagonzales ( talk) 16:33, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
- So, keep based on unreliable sources about non-notable prizes? This isn't wikipolicy. – Muboshgu ( talk) 16:48, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
- Um, poetry festivals, his employer (Georgian College)'s blog, an interview and prize wins, aren't notable. I'm not seeing any of these as helpful. Oaktree b ( talk) 04:15, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: I don't see a listing in the Canadian Encyclopedia [1], pretty much a go-to source here for obscure Canadian biographies. I don't think this person is important enough at this point. Oaktree b ( talk) 04:18, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
- Weak keep He published books in the 1980s and 1990s, into the early 2000s, so I had to dig to get references. Here's a book review from 2001 [2], a review from 1985 on an anthology [3], a brief one here (scroll down to the bottom) [4], and a partial discussion in the Atlantic from 2000 [5]. And briefly mentioned in a 2018 article about "good books to read" about an anthology [6]. These are the type of sources we need for published authors, not those given above. Oaktree b ( talk) 04:32, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Beyond what Oaktree lists above, I found that a Spanish literature professor, Juan de Dios Torralbo Caballero, has written an entire book on Meyer, The Poetry of Bruce Meyer: The inaugural poet laureate of the city of Barrie, and that book in turn has at least two published reviews doi: 10.24310/Entreculturasertci.vi7-8.11506 and hdl: 10396/14118. — David Eppstein ( talk) 17:37, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: A source eval for the newly found ones would be appreciated.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, The Herald (Benison) ( talk) 08:17, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- I'm confused by the relist User:The Herald. Six comments, of which 4 are keeps, with no deletes or even a redirect. But you relist it? How is this not consensus? Please either remove your relist and step out of the discussion. Or close it now. Nfitz ( talk) 17:06, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
- Of those four comments, Oaktree's !weak keep and David's !keep are only helpful in the discussion and helps in building a consensus. The links provided by Yoland is not helpful and doesn't make the case. Xxanthippe comment is just a
WP:ILIKEIT. Based on these, clear consensus is not developed and furthermore, additional discussion is needed to evaluate the new sources brought up by Oaktree and David. Hence, I relisted. If you disagree, you may close the discussion yourself but IMO, it warrants one more week of discussions and a source eval. Thanks and happy editing.
The Herald (Benison) (
talk) 03:05, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
- Do the source evaluation yourself and become a participant rather than pretending to be a closer, if you're so keen to have that be part of this AfD. In particular, include all 11 of Yolanda's sources in your evaluation rather than sweeping them aside based only on insubstantial remarks by other participants. Perhaps you can also dig up a copy of the entire book about the subject and then include it in your source evaluation. Or read the reviews of the book to find what it contains, at least. They also contain some coverage of the subject, not just of the book about him, so read them anyway. —
David Eppstein (
talk) 07:55, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
- PS Oh, look, here's another academic article entirely about Meyer's poetry: Resonance in Bruce Meyer Sonnets, Language in Different Contexts 2016. And another group review of work including Meyer's: ProQuest 1307870648, PN Review 1991. And another: ProQuest 218811976, "War of Words", Canadian Literature 2002. And another: ProQuest 915659603, "Equine, Bovine, Divine", Canadian Literature 2011 (the divine is one of Meyer's books). — David Eppstein ( talk) 08:07, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
- Do the source evaluation yourself and become a participant rather than pretending to be a closer, if you're so keen to have that be part of this AfD. In particular, include all 11 of Yolanda's sources in your evaluation rather than sweeping them aside based only on insubstantial remarks by other participants. Perhaps you can also dig up a copy of the entire book about the subject and then include it in your source evaluation. Or read the reviews of the book to find what it contains, at least. They also contain some coverage of the subject, not just of the book about him, so read them anyway. —
David Eppstein (
talk) 07:55, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
- Of those four comments, Oaktree's !weak keep and David's !keep are only helpful in the discussion and helps in building a consensus. The links provided by Yoland is not helpful and doesn't make the case. Xxanthippe comment is just a
WP:ILIKEIT. Based on these, clear consensus is not developed and furthermore, additional discussion is needed to evaluate the new sources brought up by Oaktree and David. Hence, I relisted. If you disagree, you may close the discussion yourself but IMO, it warrants one more week of discussions and a source eval. Thanks and happy editing.
The Herald (Benison) (
talk) 03:05, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
- Keep The sources provided in David's initial comment are excellent. We don't have to do a source analysis to see the obvious. Nfitz ( talk) 16:54, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was keep. I see a consensus to Keep this article given the sources located (which I hope find their way into the article).
Feel free to disagree with a relisting but please do not go after the non-admin relister, assume good faith. We are very short on admins to close and relist AFD discussions and so any help we can get is appreciated. But we are also seeing fewer editors participating regularly in AFDs so you all are appreciated, too, especially when your efforts lead to an improved article. Liz Read! Talk! 01:20, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
Bruce Meyer
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Not a notable individual. Fails WP:GNG. Possible autobiography. – Muboshgu ( talk) 03:59, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Poetry and Canada. – Muboshgu ( talk) 03:59, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Academics and educators, Authors, Radio, and Television. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 04:48, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Appears to be a distinguished and recognized Canadian Poet. Xxanthippe ( talk) 09:22, 19 March 2024 (UTC).
Delete: I don't see much for him as a poet, there is a person with the same name who worked for the player's union in Major League Baseball, but I don't know if it's the same guy. The only connection I see here is a lifetime pass to the Hall of Fame in Cooperstown, which is almost mentioned in passing, and is in no way notable... Oaktree b ( talk) 14:50, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
- He is a poet, not a footballer or an economist. Xxanthippe ( talk) 22:09, 19 March 2024 (UTC).
- Keep: This article has improvement opportunities. I haven't found news sources but found him as a several award winning reputed author from Canada. Here are some of the websites I found him.
opportunities
- https://www.springpulsepoetryfestival.com/winners-2019.html
- https://www.nunum.ca/blog/brucemeyer#:~:text=Bruce%20Meyer%20is%20author%20or,He%20lives%20in%20Barrie%2C%20Ontario.
- https://www.thewoolf.org/competitions/
- https://www.montrealpoetryprize.com/2015-competition
- https://www.thewoolf.org/2018/12/01/meet-the-poets-2018-poetry-competition-shortlisters/
- https://www.blakejones.southshorereview.ca/news/contest-results/
- https://southshorereview.ca/interviews/an-interview-with-bruce-meyer/
- https://www.georgiancollege.ca/blog/newsroom/spotlight-on-prof-bruce-meyer-for-national-poetry-month/
- https://edmontonpoetryfestival.com/headliners/bruce-meyer/
- https://www.comares.com/media/comares/files/toc-113708.pdf
- https://www.encyclopedia.com/arts/educational-magazines/meyer-bruce-1957
There are more available. Yolandagonzales ( talk) 16:33, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
- So, keep based on unreliable sources about non-notable prizes? This isn't wikipolicy. – Muboshgu ( talk) 16:48, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
- Um, poetry festivals, his employer (Georgian College)'s blog, an interview and prize wins, aren't notable. I'm not seeing any of these as helpful. Oaktree b ( talk) 04:15, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: I don't see a listing in the Canadian Encyclopedia [1], pretty much a go-to source here for obscure Canadian biographies. I don't think this person is important enough at this point. Oaktree b ( talk) 04:18, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
- Weak keep He published books in the 1980s and 1990s, into the early 2000s, so I had to dig to get references. Here's a book review from 2001 [2], a review from 1985 on an anthology [3], a brief one here (scroll down to the bottom) [4], and a partial discussion in the Atlantic from 2000 [5]. And briefly mentioned in a 2018 article about "good books to read" about an anthology [6]. These are the type of sources we need for published authors, not those given above. Oaktree b ( talk) 04:32, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Beyond what Oaktree lists above, I found that a Spanish literature professor, Juan de Dios Torralbo Caballero, has written an entire book on Meyer, The Poetry of Bruce Meyer: The inaugural poet laureate of the city of Barrie, and that book in turn has at least two published reviews doi: 10.24310/Entreculturasertci.vi7-8.11506 and hdl: 10396/14118. — David Eppstein ( talk) 17:37, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: A source eval for the newly found ones would be appreciated.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, The Herald (Benison) ( talk) 08:17, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- I'm confused by the relist User:The Herald. Six comments, of which 4 are keeps, with no deletes or even a redirect. But you relist it? How is this not consensus? Please either remove your relist and step out of the discussion. Or close it now. Nfitz ( talk) 17:06, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
- Of those four comments, Oaktree's !weak keep and David's !keep are only helpful in the discussion and helps in building a consensus. The links provided by Yoland is not helpful and doesn't make the case. Xxanthippe comment is just a
WP:ILIKEIT. Based on these, clear consensus is not developed and furthermore, additional discussion is needed to evaluate the new sources brought up by Oaktree and David. Hence, I relisted. If you disagree, you may close the discussion yourself but IMO, it warrants one more week of discussions and a source eval. Thanks and happy editing.
The Herald (Benison) (
talk) 03:05, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
- Do the source evaluation yourself and become a participant rather than pretending to be a closer, if you're so keen to have that be part of this AfD. In particular, include all 11 of Yolanda's sources in your evaluation rather than sweeping them aside based only on insubstantial remarks by other participants. Perhaps you can also dig up a copy of the entire book about the subject and then include it in your source evaluation. Or read the reviews of the book to find what it contains, at least. They also contain some coverage of the subject, not just of the book about him, so read them anyway. —
David Eppstein (
talk) 07:55, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
- PS Oh, look, here's another academic article entirely about Meyer's poetry: Resonance in Bruce Meyer Sonnets, Language in Different Contexts 2016. And another group review of work including Meyer's: ProQuest 1307870648, PN Review 1991. And another: ProQuest 218811976, "War of Words", Canadian Literature 2002. And another: ProQuest 915659603, "Equine, Bovine, Divine", Canadian Literature 2011 (the divine is one of Meyer's books). — David Eppstein ( talk) 08:07, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
- Do the source evaluation yourself and become a participant rather than pretending to be a closer, if you're so keen to have that be part of this AfD. In particular, include all 11 of Yolanda's sources in your evaluation rather than sweeping them aside based only on insubstantial remarks by other participants. Perhaps you can also dig up a copy of the entire book about the subject and then include it in your source evaluation. Or read the reviews of the book to find what it contains, at least. They also contain some coverage of the subject, not just of the book about him, so read them anyway. —
David Eppstein (
talk) 07:55, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
- Of those four comments, Oaktree's !weak keep and David's !keep are only helpful in the discussion and helps in building a consensus. The links provided by Yoland is not helpful and doesn't make the case. Xxanthippe comment is just a
WP:ILIKEIT. Based on these, clear consensus is not developed and furthermore, additional discussion is needed to evaluate the new sources brought up by Oaktree and David. Hence, I relisted. If you disagree, you may close the discussion yourself but IMO, it warrants one more week of discussions and a source eval. Thanks and happy editing.
The Herald (Benison) (
talk) 03:05, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
- Keep The sources provided in David's initial comment are excellent. We don't have to do a source analysis to see the obvious. Nfitz ( talk) 16:54, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.