The result was keep. If we take GEOLAND to be the valid guideline for this article, then only criterion 2 applies: Populated places without legal recognition are considered on a case-by-case basis in accordance with the GNG (my emphasis). Whether the place exists or not is immaterial; if there’s sufficient reliable sources that talk about it as a concept or an actual place, then it passes the GNG. I don’t see why WP:USCITIES applies as it’s not an incorporated place. Besides, that’s a style guide, not a notability guideline.
This then means that it’s simply a question of whether the sources provided are reliable. Whether the place exists or not is immaterial; if there’s sufficient reliable sources then it passes the GNG. The article has four sources that talk about the concept or plan of Bellevue in great detail, and they certainly seem to be reliable. AfD precedence would easily say four is plenty of sources for the GNG. Ged UK 14:38, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
This place does not yet exist. It has no listing on GNIS, and media articles describe it as a " proposed city". It appears to be someplace around this location: 31°18′36″N 89°30′00″W / 31.309906°N 89.500093°W. Magnolia677 ( talk) 04:49, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
Comment - Every article written about "Bellevue, Mississippi" acknowledges that this place does not yet exit; it is a "future city". Even the website for the "City of Bellevue" calls it "the future City of Bellevue", and that website also includes a link to a petition to create this city and "the name of the municipal corporation shall be City of Bellevue, Mississippi".
"Bellevue, Mississippi" is not found on the state map, on Google maps, or on topographic maps, and it is not listed in GNIS (which already lists over 50 places in the United States called "Bellevue"). It is not listed with the United States Census Bureau, and "Bellevue, Mississippi" is not found on any federal or state record.
User:Milowent has stated that this photo of a sign for "Bellevue" validates the existence of this place according to WP:GEOLAND. This random photo was included in this article which also described "a push to create the City of Bellevue". Inquiries about the location of this sign were deflected. Could it be here, in Bellvue, Colorado? Or was it taken here, in Bellevue, Texas?
If Bellevue, Mississippi does indeed exist, provide some proof besides a random road sign and bunch of articles that each state this place doesn't yet exist. Magnolia677 ( talk) 04:44, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
Comment. Fails WP:GEOLAND, which states that "populated, legally recognized places are typically considered notable". Bellevue, Mississippi is not found on the state map, on Google maps, or on topographic maps. It is not listed in GNIS (which already lists over 50 places in the United States called "Bellevue"); it is not recognized by the US Census Bureau; and is not found on any federal or state record. A search of the Forrest County official website yields only this.
Furthermore, there is no historical mention of this place "Bellevue" (or "Bellvue") in any authoritative texts about Mississippi history, including Dunbar Rowland's Mississippi: Comprising Sketches of Counties, Towns, Events, Institutions, and Persons, Arranged in Cyclopedic Form, or Goodspeed's Biographical and Historical Memoirs of Mississippi. In Mississippi: The WPA Guide to the Magnolia State, a plantation called Bellevue is mentioned here, though it is several hundred miles north in Madison County. That same Bellevue is also the only result when searching the Mississippi Digital Library. A search of the Mississippi Department of Archives and History yields nothing about this putative settlement.
WP:GEOLAND also states that "populated places without legal recognition are considered on a case-by-case basis in accordance with the GNG. Examples may include...unofficial neighborhoods". Reliable sources each state that this neighborhood does not yet exist; it is a proposed settlement. The website for Bellevue calls it "the future City of Bellevue". That same website also includes a link to a petition "to create this city" and "the name of the municipal corporation shall be City of Bellevue, Mississippi". On this map published in a reliable source, the place is described as "the proposed city of Bellevue".
Fails WP:USCITIES which suggests that a lead section to a US settlement article should contain:
I have been unable to locate any of these for Bellevue in reliable sources.
Furthermore, if an infobox settlement template were added to this article--as is typical of settlement articles in the United States--it would be empty (really, try it!).
Wikipedia is not a crystal ball, and a cemetery or unidentifiable photo of a road sign does not a place make. Only when Bellevue is created should it get an article. Magnolia677 ( talk) 00:15, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
The result was keep. If we take GEOLAND to be the valid guideline for this article, then only criterion 2 applies: Populated places without legal recognition are considered on a case-by-case basis in accordance with the GNG (my emphasis). Whether the place exists or not is immaterial; if there’s sufficient reliable sources that talk about it as a concept or an actual place, then it passes the GNG. I don’t see why WP:USCITIES applies as it’s not an incorporated place. Besides, that’s a style guide, not a notability guideline.
This then means that it’s simply a question of whether the sources provided are reliable. Whether the place exists or not is immaterial; if there’s sufficient reliable sources then it passes the GNG. The article has four sources that talk about the concept or plan of Bellevue in great detail, and they certainly seem to be reliable. AfD precedence would easily say four is plenty of sources for the GNG. Ged UK 14:38, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
This place does not yet exist. It has no listing on GNIS, and media articles describe it as a " proposed city". It appears to be someplace around this location: 31°18′36″N 89°30′00″W / 31.309906°N 89.500093°W. Magnolia677 ( talk) 04:49, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
Comment - Every article written about "Bellevue, Mississippi" acknowledges that this place does not yet exit; it is a "future city". Even the website for the "City of Bellevue" calls it "the future City of Bellevue", and that website also includes a link to a petition to create this city and "the name of the municipal corporation shall be City of Bellevue, Mississippi".
"Bellevue, Mississippi" is not found on the state map, on Google maps, or on topographic maps, and it is not listed in GNIS (which already lists over 50 places in the United States called "Bellevue"). It is not listed with the United States Census Bureau, and "Bellevue, Mississippi" is not found on any federal or state record.
User:Milowent has stated that this photo of a sign for "Bellevue" validates the existence of this place according to WP:GEOLAND. This random photo was included in this article which also described "a push to create the City of Bellevue". Inquiries about the location of this sign were deflected. Could it be here, in Bellvue, Colorado? Or was it taken here, in Bellevue, Texas?
If Bellevue, Mississippi does indeed exist, provide some proof besides a random road sign and bunch of articles that each state this place doesn't yet exist. Magnolia677 ( talk) 04:44, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
Comment. Fails WP:GEOLAND, which states that "populated, legally recognized places are typically considered notable". Bellevue, Mississippi is not found on the state map, on Google maps, or on topographic maps. It is not listed in GNIS (which already lists over 50 places in the United States called "Bellevue"); it is not recognized by the US Census Bureau; and is not found on any federal or state record. A search of the Forrest County official website yields only this.
Furthermore, there is no historical mention of this place "Bellevue" (or "Bellvue") in any authoritative texts about Mississippi history, including Dunbar Rowland's Mississippi: Comprising Sketches of Counties, Towns, Events, Institutions, and Persons, Arranged in Cyclopedic Form, or Goodspeed's Biographical and Historical Memoirs of Mississippi. In Mississippi: The WPA Guide to the Magnolia State, a plantation called Bellevue is mentioned here, though it is several hundred miles north in Madison County. That same Bellevue is also the only result when searching the Mississippi Digital Library. A search of the Mississippi Department of Archives and History yields nothing about this putative settlement.
WP:GEOLAND also states that "populated places without legal recognition are considered on a case-by-case basis in accordance with the GNG. Examples may include...unofficial neighborhoods". Reliable sources each state that this neighborhood does not yet exist; it is a proposed settlement. The website for Bellevue calls it "the future City of Bellevue". That same website also includes a link to a petition "to create this city" and "the name of the municipal corporation shall be City of Bellevue, Mississippi". On this map published in a reliable source, the place is described as "the proposed city of Bellevue".
Fails WP:USCITIES which suggests that a lead section to a US settlement article should contain:
I have been unable to locate any of these for Bellevue in reliable sources.
Furthermore, if an infobox settlement template were added to this article--as is typical of settlement articles in the United States--it would be empty (really, try it!).
Wikipedia is not a crystal ball, and a cemetery or unidentifiable photo of a road sign does not a place make. Only when Bellevue is created should it get an article. Magnolia677 ( talk) 00:15, 26 October 2015 (UTC)