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The result was keep. ✗ plicit 01:37, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
Beijing Shuren Ribet Private School
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Non-notable school lacking significant coverage in reliable sources. Article was previously PRODed. 33ABGirl ( talk) 09:41, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Education, Schools, and China. 33ABGirl ( talk) 09:41, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
- Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent
reliable sources. The subject passes
Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies)#Schools, which says:
SourcesAll universities, colleges and schools, including high schools, middle schools, primary (elementary) schools, and schools that only provide a support to mainstream education must either satisfy the notability guidelines for organizations, the general notability guideline, or both. For-profit educational organizations and institutions are considered commercial organizations and must satisfy those criteria. (See also WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES)
- Yin, Yin Fei 尹菲; Han, Xinhui 韩欣惠 (2020-11-06).
"择校直通车：邂逅近30年校史的北京市私立树人·瑞贝学校" [School selection through train: Beijing Shuren-Ribet Private School has a school history of nearly 30 years] (in Chinese).
Sina Corporation. Archived from
the original on 2023-04-15. Retrieved 2023-04-15.
The article notes from Google Translate: "Beijing Private Shuren Ruibei School (formerly known as "Beijing Private Shuren School") was established in 1993. It is one of the earliest private primary and secondary schools in Beijing and has a school history of nearly 30 years. The school has kindergartens, primary schools, junior high schools and high schools. It offers 15-year bilingual excellence courses, international experimental courses, and artistic creativity courses. It also enrolls Chinese and foreign students. ... The school is co-founded and led by university professor Wang Jianchao, the former principal of the Experimental Primary School of Beijing Normal University, the former principal of the High School Attached to Renmin University, the former principal of the High School Attached to Tsinghua University and other well-known domestic principals and educators. Since 2006, it has maintained the joint management of Chinese and foreign principals."
- Hung, Fan-Sing; Liu, Yang (2011).
"School Privatization in Relation to Development Goals". In Lee, John Chi-Kin; Caldwell, Brian J. (eds.).
Changing Schools in an Era of Globalization. New York:
Routledge. p. 112.
ISBN
978-0-415-99330-2. Retrieved 2023-04-15 – via
Google Books.
The book notes: "One illustrative case is that of Beijing Shuren-Ribet Private School (北京市私立树人•瑞贝学校), established over a decade ago as a collaboration between Beijing Shuren Private School and Los Angeles Ribet School. The school offers preschooling to Year 12 education. It has a Chinese and an international section, both of which accept international students and students from Mainland China. The goal of the school is to educate intellectuals trained in both Chinese and world cultures. The international section, called the American School, is unique in that it aims to prepare students to progress to an American educational setting and then into the U.S. college and university system. Study in the American School is essentially an American curriculum program, conducted in English and using American textbooks for grade-level course work based on the North Carolina EFL guidelines and on California state standards. The school evaluates students using the comparable American high school standard. The American School's program does not aim to take students to the level of graduation, but to place them in an appropriate sister school in the United States (or other Western countries as appropriate) to complete the last 2 to 3 years of high school."
- Yin, Yin Fei 尹菲; Han, Xinhui 韩欣惠 (2020-11-06).
"择校直通车：邂逅近30年校史的北京市私立树人·瑞贝学校" [School selection through train: Beijing Shuren-Ribet Private School has a school history of nearly 30 years] (in Chinese).
Sina Corporation. Archived from
the original on 2023-04-15. Retrieved 2023-04-15.
- Thank you for providing the sources. Please find my assessment on the sources below per WP:SIRS.
- (added 11 June) In general, the sources fail WP:ORGDEPTH, with only brief mentions or coverage of the subject. One of the sources is also WP:PROMOTIONAL and not WP:INDEPENDENT, failing WP:ORGIND. As per WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES, the sources does not establish WP:ORGSIG.
Link Source Independent? Reliable? Significant coverage? Count source toward GNG? 1 Sina Finance No, the tone of the article is entirely promotional and written as a school profile for a career fair hosted by the company. (Translated) ".....the "Sina 2020 International School Autumn and Winter School Selection Tour Exhibition (Beijing Station)" sponsored by Sina Education Channel will be held ..... Beijing Private Shuren Ruibei School will participate in this exhibition. Next, follow the editor to learn about the private Shuren Ruibei School in Beijing"
Partially, Sina is generally considered to be a tabloid/low quality. No, only provided a brief introduction, for promotional purposes. No 2 Changing Schools in an Era of Globalization Yes Yes No, only a single brief mention as part of a case study. No
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33ABGirl (
talk) 17:23, 8 June 2023 (UTC)
- Comment The characterization of #2 is incorrect. "One illustrative case is that of Beijing Shuren-Ribet[...]the last 2 to 3 years of high school." is a long paragraph about that school's United States curriculum division. That would qualify as
WP:SIGCOV. As for the first source, it is true Sina (which itself is the newspaper) sponsored the event, but the writing seems to be independent of the school itself (so long as the school did not sponsor the article or pay Sina). As for relatively tabloidy newspapers, they may be OK if the topics are not biographies of living people, medicine, etc. Honestly, though, Changing Schools in an Era of Globalization is much stronger.
WhisperToMe (
talk) 21:39, 8 June 2023 (UTC)
- While source #2 is a long paragraph, it is still only a single paragraph, which essentially only introduces the fact that the school uses the US curriculum. As no further analysis is offered, I maintain that this source does not fulfill
WP:SIGCOV.
33ABGirl (
talk) 13:55, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
- Let's look at the text of source #2: "The international section, called the American School, is unique in that it aims to prepare students to progress to an American educational setting and then into the U.S. college and university system." (I added emphasis to show the author is using deeper analysis, and in my opinion it does fulfill WP:SIGCOV). WhisperToMe ( talk) 02:49, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
- While source #2 is a long paragraph, it is still only a single paragraph, which essentially only introduces the fact that the school uses the US curriculum. As no further analysis is offered, I maintain that this source does not fulfill
WP:SIGCOV.
33ABGirl (
talk) 13:55, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
- Comment The characterization of #2 is incorrect. "One illustrative case is that of Beijing Shuren-Ribet[...]the last 2 to 3 years of high school." is a long paragraph about that school's United States curriculum division. That would qualify as
WP:SIGCOV. As for the first source, it is true Sina (which itself is the newspaper) sponsored the event, but the writing seems to be independent of the school itself (so long as the school did not sponsor the article or pay Sina). As for relatively tabloidy newspapers, they may be OK if the topics are not biographies of living people, medicine, etc. Honestly, though, Changing Schools in an Era of Globalization is much stronger.
WhisperToMe (
talk) 21:39, 8 June 2023 (UTC)
-
33ABGirl (
talk) 17:23, 8 June 2023 (UTC)
- Keep - SIGCOV demonstrated in Changing Schools in an Era of Globalization, and there would be no reason that a comparable Chinese language source would not exist. WhisperToMe ( talk) 21:39, 8 June 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, SWinxy ( talk) 02:13, 14 June 2023 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I'd like to hear from some more experienced AFD regulars.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 01:15, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
- Redirect to
List of schools in Tongzhou District, Beijing. Sina source is unreliable
per an RFC, and a possible advertorial. The School Privatization book's coverage of this topic is only one paragraph, that is a tad below my threshold for
WP:SIGCOV. The youth.cn source might pass
WP:GNG if it's not an advertorial, it has enough
WP:SIGCOV. Overall, probably not enough GNG-passing coverage. –
Novem Linguae (
talk) 10:56, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
- The consensus in the discussion you've linked is that Sina is an aggregator, and reliability must be judged based on the original source. —
Mx. Granger (
talk ·
contribs) 13:25, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
- Good catch, thanks. I've updated WP:NPPSG. – Novem Linguae ( talk) 13:39, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
- The consensus in the discussion you've linked is that Sina is an aggregator, and reliability must be judged based on the original source. —
Mx. Granger (
talk ·
contribs) 13:25, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
- Keep I agree that Changing Schools in an Era of Globalization constitutes SIGCOV. As a somewhat scholarly book the information within that paragraph is pretty densely packed confirming a lot of basic information and offering a deeper understanding of what makes that school "interesting". It's not as long as, say, a newspaper article, but it conveys as much information as a good medium length article generally would. — siro χ o 04:22, 22 June 2023 (UTC)
- Keep per Siroxo and also per Cunard's outstanding work above. I think that SIGCOV has been adequately demonstrated. In addition, a Google Books search suggests that Changing Schools is not a one-off and that there are other moderate-depth sources in Chinese. (And although I am in no position to evaluate them, that one at least is from a publisher whose books are fairly widely cited on EN.) The ZH article in this case also appears to reflect an independent judgment that the subject is article-worthy, which is certainly not decisive but should weigh in the balance as an independent perspective. -- Visviva ( talk) 23:26, 22 June 2023 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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The result was keep. ✗ plicit 01:37, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
Beijing Shuren Ribet Private School
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- Beijing Shuren Ribet Private School ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log | edits since nomination)
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Non-notable school lacking significant coverage in reliable sources. Article was previously PRODed. 33ABGirl ( talk) 09:41, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Education, Schools, and China. 33ABGirl ( talk) 09:41, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
- Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent
reliable sources. The subject passes
Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies)#Schools, which says:
SourcesAll universities, colleges and schools, including high schools, middle schools, primary (elementary) schools, and schools that only provide a support to mainstream education must either satisfy the notability guidelines for organizations, the general notability guideline, or both. For-profit educational organizations and institutions are considered commercial organizations and must satisfy those criteria. (See also WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES)
- Yin, Yin Fei 尹菲; Han, Xinhui 韩欣惠 (2020-11-06).
"择校直通车：邂逅近30年校史的北京市私立树人·瑞贝学校" [School selection through train: Beijing Shuren-Ribet Private School has a school history of nearly 30 years] (in Chinese).
Sina Corporation. Archived from
the original on 2023-04-15. Retrieved 2023-04-15.
The article notes from Google Translate: "Beijing Private Shuren Ruibei School (formerly known as "Beijing Private Shuren School") was established in 1993. It is one of the earliest private primary and secondary schools in Beijing and has a school history of nearly 30 years. The school has kindergartens, primary schools, junior high schools and high schools. It offers 15-year bilingual excellence courses, international experimental courses, and artistic creativity courses. It also enrolls Chinese and foreign students. ... The school is co-founded and led by university professor Wang Jianchao, the former principal of the Experimental Primary School of Beijing Normal University, the former principal of the High School Attached to Renmin University, the former principal of the High School Attached to Tsinghua University and other well-known domestic principals and educators. Since 2006, it has maintained the joint management of Chinese and foreign principals."
- Hung, Fan-Sing; Liu, Yang (2011).
"School Privatization in Relation to Development Goals". In Lee, John Chi-Kin; Caldwell, Brian J. (eds.).
Changing Schools in an Era of Globalization. New York:
Routledge. p. 112.
ISBN
978-0-415-99330-2. Retrieved 2023-04-15 – via
Google Books.
The book notes: "One illustrative case is that of Beijing Shuren-Ribet Private School (北京市私立树人•瑞贝学校), established over a decade ago as a collaboration between Beijing Shuren Private School and Los Angeles Ribet School. The school offers preschooling to Year 12 education. It has a Chinese and an international section, both of which accept international students and students from Mainland China. The goal of the school is to educate intellectuals trained in both Chinese and world cultures. The international section, called the American School, is unique in that it aims to prepare students to progress to an American educational setting and then into the U.S. college and university system. Study in the American School is essentially an American curriculum program, conducted in English and using American textbooks for grade-level course work based on the North Carolina EFL guidelines and on California state standards. The school evaluates students using the comparable American high school standard. The American School's program does not aim to take students to the level of graduation, but to place them in an appropriate sister school in the United States (or other Western countries as appropriate) to complete the last 2 to 3 years of high school."
- Yin, Yin Fei 尹菲; Han, Xinhui 韩欣惠 (2020-11-06).
"择校直通车：邂逅近30年校史的北京市私立树人·瑞贝学校" [School selection through train: Beijing Shuren-Ribet Private School has a school history of nearly 30 years] (in Chinese).
Sina Corporation. Archived from
the original on 2023-04-15. Retrieved 2023-04-15.
- Thank you for providing the sources. Please find my assessment on the sources below per WP:SIRS.
- (added 11 June) In general, the sources fail WP:ORGDEPTH, with only brief mentions or coverage of the subject. One of the sources is also WP:PROMOTIONAL and not WP:INDEPENDENT, failing WP:ORGIND. As per WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES, the sources does not establish WP:ORGSIG.
Link Source Independent? Reliable? Significant coverage? Count source toward GNG? 1 Sina Finance No, the tone of the article is entirely promotional and written as a school profile for a career fair hosted by the company. (Translated) ".....the "Sina 2020 International School Autumn and Winter School Selection Tour Exhibition (Beijing Station)" sponsored by Sina Education Channel will be held ..... Beijing Private Shuren Ruibei School will participate in this exhibition. Next, follow the editor to learn about the private Shuren Ruibei School in Beijing"
Partially, Sina is generally considered to be a tabloid/low quality. No, only provided a brief introduction, for promotional purposes. No 2 Changing Schools in an Era of Globalization Yes Yes No, only a single brief mention as part of a case study. No
-
33ABGirl (
talk) 17:23, 8 June 2023 (UTC)
- Comment The characterization of #2 is incorrect. "One illustrative case is that of Beijing Shuren-Ribet[...]the last 2 to 3 years of high school." is a long paragraph about that school's United States curriculum division. That would qualify as
WP:SIGCOV. As for the first source, it is true Sina (which itself is the newspaper) sponsored the event, but the writing seems to be independent of the school itself (so long as the school did not sponsor the article or pay Sina). As for relatively tabloidy newspapers, they may be OK if the topics are not biographies of living people, medicine, etc. Honestly, though, Changing Schools in an Era of Globalization is much stronger.
WhisperToMe (
talk) 21:39, 8 June 2023 (UTC)
- While source #2 is a long paragraph, it is still only a single paragraph, which essentially only introduces the fact that the school uses the US curriculum. As no further analysis is offered, I maintain that this source does not fulfill
WP:SIGCOV.
33ABGirl (
talk) 13:55, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
- Let's look at the text of source #2: "The international section, called the American School, is unique in that it aims to prepare students to progress to an American educational setting and then into the U.S. college and university system." (I added emphasis to show the author is using deeper analysis, and in my opinion it does fulfill WP:SIGCOV). WhisperToMe ( talk) 02:49, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
- While source #2 is a long paragraph, it is still only a single paragraph, which essentially only introduces the fact that the school uses the US curriculum. As no further analysis is offered, I maintain that this source does not fulfill
WP:SIGCOV.
33ABGirl (
talk) 13:55, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
- Comment The characterization of #2 is incorrect. "One illustrative case is that of Beijing Shuren-Ribet[...]the last 2 to 3 years of high school." is a long paragraph about that school's United States curriculum division. That would qualify as
WP:SIGCOV. As for the first source, it is true Sina (which itself is the newspaper) sponsored the event, but the writing seems to be independent of the school itself (so long as the school did not sponsor the article or pay Sina). As for relatively tabloidy newspapers, they may be OK if the topics are not biographies of living people, medicine, etc. Honestly, though, Changing Schools in an Era of Globalization is much stronger.
WhisperToMe (
talk) 21:39, 8 June 2023 (UTC)
-
33ABGirl (
talk) 17:23, 8 June 2023 (UTC)
- Keep - SIGCOV demonstrated in Changing Schools in an Era of Globalization, and there would be no reason that a comparable Chinese language source would not exist. WhisperToMe ( talk) 21:39, 8 June 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, SWinxy ( talk) 02:13, 14 June 2023 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I'd like to hear from some more experienced AFD regulars.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 01:15, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
- Redirect to
List of schools in Tongzhou District, Beijing. Sina source is unreliable
per an RFC, and a possible advertorial. The School Privatization book's coverage of this topic is only one paragraph, that is a tad below my threshold for
WP:SIGCOV. The youth.cn source might pass
WP:GNG if it's not an advertorial, it has enough
WP:SIGCOV. Overall, probably not enough GNG-passing coverage. –
Novem Linguae (
talk) 10:56, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
- The consensus in the discussion you've linked is that Sina is an aggregator, and reliability must be judged based on the original source. —
Mx. Granger (
talk ·
contribs) 13:25, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
- Good catch, thanks. I've updated WP:NPPSG. – Novem Linguae ( talk) 13:39, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
- The consensus in the discussion you've linked is that Sina is an aggregator, and reliability must be judged based on the original source. —
Mx. Granger (
talk ·
contribs) 13:25, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
- Keep I agree that Changing Schools in an Era of Globalization constitutes SIGCOV. As a somewhat scholarly book the information within that paragraph is pretty densely packed confirming a lot of basic information and offering a deeper understanding of what makes that school "interesting". It's not as long as, say, a newspaper article, but it conveys as much information as a good medium length article generally would. — siro χ o 04:22, 22 June 2023 (UTC)
- Keep per Siroxo and also per Cunard's outstanding work above. I think that SIGCOV has been adequately demonstrated. In addition, a Google Books search suggests that Changing Schools is not a one-off and that there are other moderate-depth sources in Chinese. (And although I am in no position to evaluate them, that one at least is from a publisher whose books are fairly widely cited on EN.) The ZH article in this case also appears to reflect an independent judgment that the subject is article-worthy, which is certainly not decisive but should weigh in the balance as an independent perspective. -- Visviva ( talk) 23:26, 22 June 2023 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.