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The result was keep. BusterD ( talk) 21:40, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
Atelier Fauni
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I did not find enough references to show notability Arthistorian1977 ( talk) 13:19, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Visual arts and Finland. Shellwood ( talk) 13:50, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
- Delete - any text of significance could easily be accommodated in Moomins. Velella Velella Talk 14:20, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
- Keep - we can find more references to support it if necessary, but a historic toy company is decent wiki content. It's culturally relevant as the makers of Moomin dolls. There is already a page for them on Finnish Wikipedia. Angry Candy ( talk) 15:18, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
- Keep. The article wasn't connected to the equivalent aritlces in other languages (it is now), but the Finnish article ( fi:Fauni-peikot) has plenty of references which seem decent. Someone with better access to the Finnish sources should be able to do a better job, but in the meanwhile I've added references and expanded the article somewhat with content from sv:Allas and sv:Året Runt. / Julle ( talk) 03:18, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
- Keep. I agree with Julle. Twinkle1990 ( talk) 08:25, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
- Keep per Julle Elinruby ( talk) 23:04, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
- Merge to Moomins-Theme parks and displays. Reads and researches point the notability for their Moomin dolls. WomenArtistUpdates ( talk) 02:04, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
- WomenArtistUpdates: According to the Finnish Wikipedia article, their most popular figure was the Sumppi troll, rather than the Moomin dolls, but my Finnish isn't good enough that I dare try to figure out the sourcing for this. To me, this indicates they might benefit from being treated in a stand-alone article. I think the current English article suffers a bit from the angle of the articles I used to source it. / Julle ( talk) 13:19, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
- Merge to Moomins-Theme parks and displays; there is material in the article worth preserving and this is a good home for it. // Timothy :: talk 15:25, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 16:22, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
- Merge to Moomins-Theme parks and displays, as it stands this company fails NCORP criteria for establishing notability. HighKing ++ 18:53, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
- Comment. I've added some more info to the article now, pointing to the work done which wasn't directly related to the Moomin trolls. / Julle ( talk) 17:32, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Linguist111 ( talk) 19:20, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
- Keep Significant coverage and attestation to the influence of this organization's products exists. For example:
- "Kuuskosken pariskunta loi tyhjästä fantasiamaailman keskelle metsää ja teki oudoilla olennoilla miljoonatilin ulkomailla – Sitten verottaja puuttui tapahtumien kulkuun". Helsingin Sanomat (in Finnish). 2020-06-06. Retrieved 2023-01-23.
- (Google Translate): "The Kuuskoski couple created a fantasy world in the middle of the forest from scratch and made a million dollar account abroad with strange creatures - Then the taxman intervened in the course of events
- "Finland was gripped by troll mania in the 1960s: Martti and Helena Kuuskoski sewed a fairytale empire whose products were sold in up to 50 countries. All that's left of it are mossy ruins." That's the headline and subheading. The article is a lengthy (1000+ word) history of the couple's business.
- "Fauni-peikkojen äiti loi ensimmäiset muumi-figuurit". Helsingin Sanomat (in Finnish). 2014-01-28. Retrieved 2023-01-23.
- (Google Translate): "Helena Kuuskoski was known for Atelier Faun, which she founded in the 1950s with her husband at the time, Martti Kuuskoski. Helena Kuuskoski created the first Moomin figures approved by Tove Jansson, which played a significant role in the first Moomin boom. Atelier Faun's moomins are now valuable collectibles. FAUNI TROLLS achieved world fame in the 1960s. The figures spread to 40 countries. In addition, the production included short films, cartoons and textiles. Peikkopuisto was located in Järvenpää, which was the first adventure park built in Finland after Linnanmäki. It quickly became a popular destination for foreign visitors as well. Many people also remember Mallasjuoma's Peikkolimsa, Nuutajärvi's goblin drinking glasses and goblin-themed piggy banks. The drawings of Helena Kuuskoski, who received her education at Ateneum, depicted the sensitivity and beauty of the world of fauna, which had nothing to do with the folk concept of trolls. FAUN'S OPERATIONS IN Järvenpää ended in 1972, after which Helena Kuuskoski and her children Johannes and Minna moved first to Canada and then to North Carolina in the USA. There they have continued to this day to nurture the Faun legacy."
- Hagelstam, Wenzel (2005-11-12). "Antiikin lumoissa: Muumeja aidoista materiaaleista". Turun Sanomat. -- Another profile of the company.
- Correspondent, Shawna Kenney Star-News. "THE KUUSKOSKI FAMILY: Giving trolls a good name". Wilmington Star-News. Retrieved 2023-01-23. -- coverage of the revival of the company in the U.S.
- Jfire ( talk) 03:55, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
- Keep based on work by Julle and Jfire (well worth adding to the article). Ingratis ( talk) 12:15, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
- Keep per Julle and Jfire. Opposing merge to the Moomin page in specific, since these appear to be -- AFAICT -- different trolls. - Ljleppan ( talk) 13:34, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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The result was keep. BusterD ( talk) 21:40, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
Atelier Fauni
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I did not find enough references to show notability Arthistorian1977 ( talk) 13:19, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Visual arts and Finland. Shellwood ( talk) 13:50, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
- Delete - any text of significance could easily be accommodated in Moomins. Velella Velella Talk 14:20, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
- Keep - we can find more references to support it if necessary, but a historic toy company is decent wiki content. It's culturally relevant as the makers of Moomin dolls. There is already a page for them on Finnish Wikipedia. Angry Candy ( talk) 15:18, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
- Keep. The article wasn't connected to the equivalent aritlces in other languages (it is now), but the Finnish article ( fi:Fauni-peikot) has plenty of references which seem decent. Someone with better access to the Finnish sources should be able to do a better job, but in the meanwhile I've added references and expanded the article somewhat with content from sv:Allas and sv:Året Runt. / Julle ( talk) 03:18, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
- Keep. I agree with Julle. Twinkle1990 ( talk) 08:25, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
- Keep per Julle Elinruby ( talk) 23:04, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
- Merge to Moomins-Theme parks and displays. Reads and researches point the notability for their Moomin dolls. WomenArtistUpdates ( talk) 02:04, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
- WomenArtistUpdates: According to the Finnish Wikipedia article, their most popular figure was the Sumppi troll, rather than the Moomin dolls, but my Finnish isn't good enough that I dare try to figure out the sourcing for this. To me, this indicates they might benefit from being treated in a stand-alone article. I think the current English article suffers a bit from the angle of the articles I used to source it. / Julle ( talk) 13:19, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
- Merge to Moomins-Theme parks and displays; there is material in the article worth preserving and this is a good home for it. // Timothy :: talk 15:25, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 16:22, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
- Merge to Moomins-Theme parks and displays, as it stands this company fails NCORP criteria for establishing notability. HighKing ++ 18:53, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
- Comment. I've added some more info to the article now, pointing to the work done which wasn't directly related to the Moomin trolls. / Julle ( talk) 17:32, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Linguist111 ( talk) 19:20, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
- Keep Significant coverage and attestation to the influence of this organization's products exists. For example:
- "Kuuskosken pariskunta loi tyhjästä fantasiamaailman keskelle metsää ja teki oudoilla olennoilla miljoonatilin ulkomailla – Sitten verottaja puuttui tapahtumien kulkuun". Helsingin Sanomat (in Finnish). 2020-06-06. Retrieved 2023-01-23.
- (Google Translate): "The Kuuskoski couple created a fantasy world in the middle of the forest from scratch and made a million dollar account abroad with strange creatures - Then the taxman intervened in the course of events
- "Finland was gripped by troll mania in the 1960s: Martti and Helena Kuuskoski sewed a fairytale empire whose products were sold in up to 50 countries. All that's left of it are mossy ruins." That's the headline and subheading. The article is a lengthy (1000+ word) history of the couple's business.
- "Fauni-peikkojen äiti loi ensimmäiset muumi-figuurit". Helsingin Sanomat (in Finnish). 2014-01-28. Retrieved 2023-01-23.
- (Google Translate): "Helena Kuuskoski was known for Atelier Faun, which she founded in the 1950s with her husband at the time, Martti Kuuskoski. Helena Kuuskoski created the first Moomin figures approved by Tove Jansson, which played a significant role in the first Moomin boom. Atelier Faun's moomins are now valuable collectibles. FAUNI TROLLS achieved world fame in the 1960s. The figures spread to 40 countries. In addition, the production included short films, cartoons and textiles. Peikkopuisto was located in Järvenpää, which was the first adventure park built in Finland after Linnanmäki. It quickly became a popular destination for foreign visitors as well. Many people also remember Mallasjuoma's Peikkolimsa, Nuutajärvi's goblin drinking glasses and goblin-themed piggy banks. The drawings of Helena Kuuskoski, who received her education at Ateneum, depicted the sensitivity and beauty of the world of fauna, which had nothing to do with the folk concept of trolls. FAUN'S OPERATIONS IN Järvenpää ended in 1972, after which Helena Kuuskoski and her children Johannes and Minna moved first to Canada and then to North Carolina in the USA. There they have continued to this day to nurture the Faun legacy."
- Hagelstam, Wenzel (2005-11-12). "Antiikin lumoissa: Muumeja aidoista materiaaleista". Turun Sanomat. -- Another profile of the company.
- Correspondent, Shawna Kenney Star-News. "THE KUUSKOSKI FAMILY: Giving trolls a good name". Wilmington Star-News. Retrieved 2023-01-23. -- coverage of the revival of the company in the U.S.
- Jfire ( talk) 03:55, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
- Keep based on work by Julle and Jfire (well worth adding to the article). Ingratis ( talk) 12:15, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
- Keep per Julle and Jfire. Opposing merge to the Moomin page in specific, since these appear to be -- AFAICT -- different trolls. - Ljleppan ( talk) 13:34, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.